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Published Date: 04 May 2009
CHINA must impose its demands on the West, using the global financial crisis to leverage its power play, according to a bestselling new book which has caused a firestorm among the giant country's elite.
Sociologist Huang Jisu and his four colleagues have created such a fierce debate with Unhappy China, a collection of essays that booksellers were last week warned by the government not to give prominent display or leave on their bestseller lists.

"They don't like any big phenomenon that draws reaction in this society. No matter if it's a west wind or an east wind, if the wind is strong it must be an evil wind," chuckled Mr Huang in a recent interview in a sunny café on the edge of Beijing's downtown Wangfujing district. He arrived carrying a wrapped copy of a suspiciously similarly named tome, Why is China Unhappy, which appears to have been released for the sole reason of criticising him and his co-authors.

Such is the debate around Unhappy China, it blew through its first printing in less than a month and is now available in pirated versions on Beijing's streets as well as in bookstores.

Mr Huang's book, at times virulently nationalist in its tone, says Chinese intellectuals have stood aside while their country became a victim in a rampant system of global capitalism which has now plunged the world into crisis, and argues that China needs to reject the West's calls for reform and begin setting its own conditions for foreign trade and political dealings.

The problem, the author argues, dates to China's kowtowing to western countries after the Opium Wars of the 1800s, a position which it has never overcome despite ascending to become the world's third-largest economy. Today, with China's foreign reserves at nearly £1.3 trillion and many of the world's strongest economies in recession, Mr Huang and his colleagues believe China should flex its political, as well as economic, muscle.

"China has kept following the western world. But now the system has some major problems and it needs more major powers participating … We think China should be among the important powers, though I don't think it should be the only one," he said.

"China is doing quite well in this system today, but the problem is that the present system will be very difficult to continue because of the economic crisis," Mr Huang continued. "Improving this system is not only in the interest of China, but also other countries, because the system is going to collapse."

In one chapter, co-author Wang Xiaodong argues that with "Chinese national strength growing at an unprecedented rate, China should stop debasing itself, recognise the fact that it has the power to lead the world and break away from western influence".

Another, by co-author Song Xiaojun, calls the United States "an old cucumber with green paint", and says: "China now is too soft in diplomacy and lacks the spirit of newborn calves that are not afraid of tigers."

In a country where political commentary is not always encouraged, reviews of the book have reached a surprising level of dissonance – leading one bookshop worker to confess they had been urged by government representatives to keep the book on a back shelf .

"It reveals many problems that Chinese dare not speak out about," wrote a reader identifying himself as Alexander Dang on the dangdang.com comment section, where the book was given four out of five stars. "It should be read by everyone concerned about the state."

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  • Last Updated: 04 May 2009 8:11 AM
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2dogs in D.C.,

04/05/2009 00:40:26
Woof,heavy stuff-and here was me already thinking China was a major player.If they want the west to pay up right now,they may find it to be only pennies on the dollar.Ain't too many dollars rattlin'round at this moment.Also,it's a long haul from the 1800's,I sure ain't that old,You? As to "Unhappy" China,well I don't live there so I don't know.I'm sure our resident posters from China will fill us in?
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Cheeses Cripes,

Yachting like crazeee 04/05/2009 01:19:51
Hey dudes and dudettes..just exactly what was that chinese policewoman in Scotland up to recently? You know the one that made illegal searches on the police national computer? You know the one that dug out the details of chinese residents who had been in Scotland for, what was it 6 months and more?

I mean, what was she doing and just who exactly was her employer????????????????????????????????????????
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/05/2009 02:57:44
China is a power-house in manufacturing, no doubt about that.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/international-monetary-fund-imf-is.html

but it seems a clique of western business interests has a stranglehold on the financial machinery of this world.
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2dogs in D.C.,

04/05/2009 08:33:38
Charles-I never really left.I just hang out in the international section.All's good by us,hope the same for you.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/05/2009 10:54:47
And so the dragon rises. Yes the power is in the hands of a few western bankers but we all know that will change as the poor eat the rich in those countries. You can see the anger blazing across europe right now. It is not China's nature to be a dictator. It far prefers to be a facilitator. I haven't read the book, so I don't really know what this guy is saying.
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 04/05/2009 13:00:29
#12 Mashimaro,China - What is to stop the poor eating the rich in China? There is no anger blazing across Europe right now at least not in the manner you suggest. Do not be fooled by the vocal few who make trouble on May Day and similar event. There will be no rising of the down trodden Proletariate in Europe - we have seen where this lunacy leads.
The dragon you refer to needs the world market to sell its goods to so our problems are your problems but the West will never dance to the tune of a Chinese bully no matter how much money it has in its reserves.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/05/2009 14:25:51
The Chinese bully? Dont make me laugh. Fact is... we own you.
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argonaut,

east lothian 04/05/2009 15:08:51

the fact is china can only survive in its present form by buying plundering other countries resources. i have travelled all over the world and china has established trade agreements with many 2nd and 3rd world world countries in order to extract the countries mineral resources - this is on a vast scale, even down the west coast of africa there are many chinese fishing vessels plundering the seas for consumption back in china.

I read recently that something like 700 million chinese still live in near poverty and the rest 200 - 300 million have benefited from chinas economical expansion in last 15 years. china is an ecological nightmare - a vast population intent on consuming - i churns out a vast amount of dirty carbon and its rivers are polluted by heavy metals. the real chinese night mare is till to come - most chinese rivers have their source from the himalayan plateau and when its annual cycle is disrupted or disappears due to global warming then china main river systems will cease to exist in their present form - this is the true nightmare. it will be bad ecology / enviromental disaster that will bring china down !
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mike - across the pond,

mashi.... 04/05/2009 15:24:14
you want china to be the leader....

the question is lead to what?

I realize that we here in the US just voted in a president who promised "change" but nobody could tell WHAT that "change" was... and now nobody can tell exactly WHAT "change" he has on the agenda...

by all means... put your plans out there... you may indeed be VERY surprised at the reaction...

you want to lead... fine... pick up the tiller... follow the words of your Lao Tzu
"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves."

from what I read... what these guys wrote is all bitter garbage... the US had NOTHING to do with the opium wars... Europe is but a thin shell of what it was in those days... and going after them is like trying to punish the elderly... it may make YOU feel good... but reality... theres not much "retribution" you are going to get...

you want to lead... fine... you may find what we here in the US have found... that when you lead... there are those who are wont to stick arrows in your backside...
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 04/05/2009 15:26:59
-- Mr Huang's book, at times virulently nationalist in its tone,

O dear, we can't have that. People'll start reading Tom Paine who wrote for english speaking people and was generally translated.

The showdown is between China and the Western Elite which is the Rockefeller-Roschilde clan and their related families. Who are, at their core, wanting a global genocide.

Technology and weaponry has moved on since the hydrogen bomb and it's the West's strongest hand. But not a side we want to be on.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/05/2009 15:46:10
Get out of Tibet and stop supporting North Korea and give your people proper democracy. Then we'll talk.
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Stefan,

NYC 04/05/2009 16:27:33
China should by all means take a leadership position, push their agenda and act every bit the player that they are. Let China deal with a nuclear, highly unstable Pakistan at their border instead of us. Let China dictate monetary and political ploicy to those that will hear it. Let them take us the mantle of leadership that made the US so well loved. Let them learn the thankless job of leading the world while the do nothings bleat on about how badly they're doing it. Best of luck China....
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/05/2009 16:47:55
#19 In what way is China not a tin-pot banana dictatorship?
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common sense voice,

China... 04/05/2009 17:01:31
all great empires fall/fail.... it's the US's turn now.. China will rise and I don't think we should fear them, it is not in their nature or history to be the aggressor.

btw... if you have real skills then you can get highly paid jobs in China, it's ok here, they still need our help if you've got anything to offer... it's up to you folks to gets off one ass, get educated and skilled up..
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Stefan,

NYC 04/05/2009 17:29:29
#20 A couple of ways... GDP comes to mind. Consumer confidence is another.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 04/05/2009 18:05:12
China has to react with the resources it has which means being prepared for a nuclear war. It's a later starter in the technology game than the Pentagon so they they don't have the same killing power in weapons of mass destruction. But the Chinese are realists. The West only watches television. They have the killing power where it matters. (look if American governments ie leadership cared about their people why have they run their country into rustland wasteland?)

Japan will be the other big player when they take their seat at the world table. It's no longer a Rockefeller fiefdom.
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 04/05/2009 18:28:31
#14 Mashimaro,China - Do not confuse facts with your arrogant opinions. The Chinese in no way "own" Germany and never will, if fact they do not even own all of China as the Nationalist Chinese have managed to hold the Red scum at bay for 60 years.
Laugh away but all dictatorships have their day and sooner or later the ethnically diverse Peoples' Republic will disintegrate.
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bikewoman,

04/05/2009 19:41:43
#4 Nannie

No word on what Barack Obama's telepromter has to say about this?
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Carolyn 1,

04/05/2009 21:24:26
@25
I think TOTUS is saying something along the line of: Look. We've got an auction next week. Buy this damn debt or we're not buying anymore Chinese stuff. You dig?
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Mashimaro,

China 05/05/2009 01:33:56
#16 Who said anything about retribution? From what I read, the writer is ticked off because China doesn't stand up to the west's bs. It keeps on kowtowing, and yes, it does. It is time that stopped. There are things that need to be changed, like a little while ago the IMF would only lend money to countries who had a free market system or a heavily privatised economy. That is not what many countries want to do. Yet they are excluded from gaining loans. There is also the issue of the way aid is tied to terms which just makes the west richer and the "aided" countries poorer. There's the whole issue of copyright and life-saving medications. There's a lot that needs sorting out in this world and hopefully this economic crisis will shatter the stranglehold the western rich have on the world and it will all be for the better.
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Mashimaro,

China 05/05/2009 01:38:16
#18 off... sod... arrange them in any way you like.
Let's see you guys get out of Australia, America, New Zealand etc etc first.
China has to talk to North Korea and work with North Korea... if you hadn't noticed, it's on our border. Better it changes peacefully than collapses eh? Oh... but wait... that's not how the west does things.
You have to talk to us. You need our money and you need our market. Get a does of reality will ya.
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Mashimaro,

China 05/05/2009 01:47:20
#26 you're a funny woman. never actually able to answer about WTC 1 right... never mind, never met a American who is willing to open that can of worms. China has markets all around the world now. All through Africa - where it gathers resources and foods and gets a vote on the UN and other world bodies.
The truth is we don't need or even want the US market.
One thing we Chinese don't like and that is fast change and long before this crisis hit our leaders were warning about the hot economic growth and doing what they could to slow things down. So not having your markets will just play right into that strategy and make China stronger.
Why should we buy up your toxic debt? All Obama has done is pour money into the banking elite and left millions of normal people in financial trouble. How is that different from what any other of your banker puppet leaders would do?
China might give the US money for one reason only... to protect our own investments in your country. Other than that... we don't need you... unfortunately we happen to own you. So when you stick out your hand and ask daddy for more pocket money, best to remember who's holding the wallet.
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Carolyn 1,

05/05/2009 02:05:41
Harry @27
I'm waiting for the tell-all book to come about the "make-over".

And yes, there will be a book, there always is
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 05/05/2009 05:07:01
mashimaro's comments are telling it like it is.

Regarding north korea - there are those who blame china for north korea possibly having nuclear weaponry. but the US financed and built north korea's nuclear power plants. after you do that it is awkward to squawk about north korea getting nuclear weaponry. we gave them the fuel.

The US should extricate itself from trade agreements. China is strong. china doesn't need US as Mashimaro says. The US should worry about its home territory's domestic economy like any normal government.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=137&v=1&t=KJV#top

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Let's have the truth,

Australia 05/05/2009 12:04:43
It is understandably painful for Americans to see their empire crumbling around them and an erstwhile foe rising to replace them as the world's powerhouse.

It goes to show that decadence will eventually catch up with you.
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 05/05/2009 18:07:20
#35 Let's have the truth,Australia - Of course there is no decadence in Communist China, not much!
Even at such a low ebb, the GDP of the USA at $14.264 trillion dwarfes that of the Peoples' Republic of China at $4.401 trillion and the difference between the per capita figures is even more stark.
Even humble Germany has a per capita GDP of $44,660, about 12 times as great as the so-called "rising powerhouse".
Bit to go yet before replacing the USA as "the world's powerhouse" and even then it is by no means certain that things won't go belly up for the Peoples' Republic and its vile regime.




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Mashimaro,

China 06/05/2009 05:49:06
If the US is so rich... why does it need to borrow our money??? Call me dumb... but if you're rich and well off and everything is peachy, you don't go knocking on the door of your impoverished hooligan next door neighbours for a cup of sugar... do you?
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Arminius,

06/05/2009 07:37:03
#38 Darth - The U.S. Navy is still by far the largest in the world both in number of ships and fleet tonnage and is at the very least 20 times as great as the navy of the Peoples' Pepublic of China. The PLAN is still not much more than a costal protection force with relatively few ships capable of operation outside of area. The US has a very long way to shrink and the Chinese have a long way to grow before you can compare the two.
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Arminius,

06/05/2009 07:46:08
#39 Mashimaro,China - You are dumb. There, now don't ask me for any more favours. Maybe you heard about the economic crisis in spite of state censorship and, as China has hoarded money, it seems a likely source of borrowing. Obviously the US is not too fussy who it borrows from in these hard times (very much a relative term) but I could ask why the PRC needs to lend its money (and spend billions on new armaments)when its people are so poor and its land so polluted.
Personally, I try to avoid buying goods outwith the EU and shun contact with oppresive regimes like that of the PRC. Ethics are perhaps not a strongpoint of the US administartion.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 06/05/2009 13:45:41
#40

"The U.S. Navy is still by far the largest in the world both in number of ships and fleet tonnage and is at the very least 20 times as great as the navy of the Peoples' Pepublic of China".

Then what business is it of the US to complain about China's military budget?
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Let's have the truth,

06/05/2009 13:48:46
42 continued.....

....furthermore, after dropping more tonnage of bombs on Viet Nam than was dropped by ALL sides during WWII, still a third world country gave the US a bloody nose.

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Composed,

06/05/2009 14:21:00
#42 Let's have the truth
"Then what business is it of the US to complain about China's military budget?"

A killer response!

I think Arminius should retire after that line.
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Arminius,

Im Wald 06/05/2009 16:43:32
#42 Let's have the truth - Communists lost the last arms race - do you want a repeat?
#43 Let's have the truth - The US might have received a bloody nose but the Communists were rather bloddy themselves. The war was a political rather than a military loss.
You seem to have attracted your own little fan club in the shape of the easily-impressed #44. How creepy (assuming it is not your own alter ego).
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Mashimaro,

China 07/05/2009 10:09:16
#41 My country is not the one going around begging for spare change. My country is not the one whose irresponsible policies and unfettered greed caused the economic crisis in the first place. It's strange how in most people's books "hoarding money" is usually termed "saving".
We, like many Asian countries, are going through our industrial revolution. You've had yours without the added burden of having to explain away your pollution to rich watch dogs. The tide will turn in China, just as it did in europe and the US.
The PRC doesn't "need" to lend its money. It does to to make more money, pure and simple, and to keep the world harmonious. There's a lesson you westerners might want to learn, eh?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/05/2009 10:12:42
#45 the war should never have started. and you really should have left Laos alone. Tell me... have the yanks actually managed to win any of the wars they've been in since WWII? and how many HAVE they been in?
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 07/05/2009 20:09:26
#46 Mashimaro - Yes that Communist Nationalist thing is indeed a poisonous combination. I can't speak for the Yanks, but Germany is not begging you for anything and we are more prudent with our most "Western" countries (since you like to lump us all together as westerners, round eyes or what ever). Saving money is fine when everyone has plenty but hoarding it when the bulk of the population is so poor may seem to some as the "unfettered greed" of the elite.
In the meantime the world has to put up with your rampant pollution because Johnny Chinaman is a bit slow out of the blocks. Maybe some of that hoarded dosh could be better spend on limiting your pollution rather than shiny new armaments.
Of course the PRC need to lend its money - in times of economic crisis, how else will the western devils afford to buy the luxury goods that the proletarian toilers at home can't afford with their meager wages. No lectures or lessons from Communist dross required thank you.
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 07/05/2009 20:18:05
#47 Mashimaro - Of course the war should never have started (even Communists prefer an unopposed take over), but as for "you really should have left Laos alone", I would point out that my country was not involved in the Vietnam war (at least not directly - there were some Germans in the French Foreign Legion). Maybe you should ask a yank if they have won any wars since WW2 but they might respond by asking if China has won any wars this century (other than fighting amongst themselves that is). Then again you might just decide that this would be childish and just zip it.
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Mashimaro,

China 08/05/2009 01:48:01
#48 China has lifted more people out of poverty faster than any other country in the world. It is working to correct its problems of pollution. Our government is constantly working to correct problems and will continue to do so in the safes and most harmonious manner. That includes the wise stewardship of our country's money so that we ensure a brighter future for everyone instead of disintegrating back into the warring states the west would so dearly love to see.
Personally I don't like the way things are developing in my country. I don't like the way our traditions and morals are being replaced by the western laziness and "anything for a buck" attitude. I don't like the way ordinary comrades are being treated in this mad dash for economic power. I don't like the slack government policing and laxity in the laws. I want the government to take responsiblity, to be the direct overseer and not let the capitalists dictate our way forwards. Thankfully there are many others who think the way I do and hopefully there will be enough of us to put the brakes on the current leadership and turn this ship back on to its rightful course of moral strength, dilligence and harmony. I don't view our values and being mutually exclusive against success. We have achieved great things under the communist way of life, things that could never ever have been achieved in any other manner and it is my sincere hope that we can return to that way of life. You can see countries like Vietnam following our lead and gaining their own successes.If only the west had not decided to interfere in our respective countries and cause such untold misery for so many millions of people, we would probably have the room to move in many areas where now we are hampered. But no use crying over the past.
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 08/05/2009 09:37:38
#50 Mashimaro - Blah, blah, still many millions of Chinese living in poverty and squalor whilst the government counts its gold and spends billions on arms and propaganda shows like the Olympics.
Many countries have managed to achieve prosperity and success without the bloodbath that is Communism so spare me the lecture and keep your propaganda for the party comrades. Yo can't blame all of your misery on the West (although you try hard) as your Communist government brought plenty of misery on itself and brought death and suffering to millions not just in China but accross the world. Since 1917 it is estimated that Communism has caused the deaths of over 100 milion people yet there are still those who cling to this discredited and murderous ideology and dismiss the calamitous events of the past as mere "mistakes". The world cannot afford many more Communist mistakes.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 08/05/2009 12:53:22
#51

"The world cannot afford many more Communist mistakes".

I suppose you believe the world CAN afford more of the mistakes created by the greed and corruption of western capitalism that have brought about the current global financial disaster.

You could learn a lot from modern day China if you weren't so blinkered and self righteous.
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 08/05/2009 17:30:25
#52 Let's have the truth,Australia - You suppose quite a lot without much reason and I rather think that you are a trumped up Communist mouth peice.
100 million deaths in the 20th century alone (a good number of them in China) represent enough mistakes to discredit the Communist system of government for all time yet dinosaurs like yourself still rear their ugly heads.
I you want to talk about the merits of western capitalism, try discussing it with a capitalist.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 09/05/2009 10:39:28
#53

"I rather think that you are a trumped up Communist mouth peice".

1. I before E except after C.

2. No, I'm not a communist mouthpiece. I speak as I find and I find your sort objectionable. You people with minds narrower than a quarter inch pipe are in dire need of some life experience.

In your case I suspect it is too late as you've been brainwashed beyond redemption.
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Arminius,

09/05/2009 19:03:17
#54 Let's have the truth,Australia -

1. This is not a spelling or a typing test but perhaps you could check your dictionay to see if I can spell P-e-d-a-n-t correctly.

2. I beg to differ. You have something of a pumped up ego haven't you humpty? Maybe your life experience hasen't been so good and it has left you with a real bad attitude.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 10/05/2009 13:55:00
#55

"You have something of a pumped up ego haven't you humpty?"

That's rich coming from a self-centred, swollen-headed, arrogant, overweening, egomaniacal individual such as yourself.

Are you a member of the BNP? I gather you would be an ideal recruit.

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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 10/05/2009 15:37:15
#56 Let's have the truth,Australia - Insults from a little Furz in a former penal colony do not worry me unduly.
Are you a member of the Communist Party of Australia? I heard there were a slack handful of losers that you can hook up with to plot world revolution or plan your next bevvy session.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 11/05/2009 00:39:06
#57

"Insults from a little Furz in a former penal colony do not worry me unduly".

When did I insult you?
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Arminius,

11/05/2009 06:50:32
#58 Let's have the truth,Australia - Every time you post. It is all you ever seem to do.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 11/05/2009 09:41:36
#59

"Every time you post. It is all you ever seem to do".

You must be very sensitive, my comments in #56 were intended as a compliment.
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Arminius,

12/05/2009 01:23:20
#60 Let's have the truth,Australia - Must be that you see being self-centred, swollen-headed, arrogant, overweening and egomaniacal as virtues. That explains much.

Are you also a recruiter for the BNP also?
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 12/05/2009 01:45:23
#61

"Must be that you see being self-centred, swollen-headed, arrogant, overweening and egomaniacal as virtues".

-In your case they are.

"Are you also a recruiter for the BNP also?"

-I take it that is an admission that you are.
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Arminius,

Teutoburger Wald 12/05/2009 17:59:22
#62 Let's have the truth,Australia - Perhaps it is that you are so short that makes you such an obnoxious wretch. Shame for you.
No BNP in Detmold. Did they give you a KB because you were not the right "material"?
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Secretary of State,

18/07/2009 13:18:19
China is definitely the country that can pull the rest of the world out of this mess.

 

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