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Brown won't go to Olympic opening ceremony but denies talk of boycott



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Published Date: 10 April 2008
GORDON Brown will not attend the opening ceremony for this summer's Olympic Games in China, it emerged last night, as pressure grew on Beijing over its human rights record.
Downing Street played down suggestions the Prime Minister was boycotting the Games, insisting he had never intended to go to the curtain-raiser.

He will, however, attend the closing ceremony, where he will be part of the official hand-over procession for the London 2012 Games.

George Bush, the US president, yesterday also left open the possibility that he would skip the opening.

Mr Brown was invited personally by Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, to attend the ceremony on his visit to the country earlier this year. His refusal to attend will be interpreted by China as a rebuke.

His decision follows the Chinese government's insistence that it will take the Olympic torch through Tibet, with a vow to crack down on protesters.

Other world leaders, including Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, have made clear that they will not attend the ceremony.

Mr Brown had previously talked about "Britain" attending the Olympic ceremonies.

Asked two weeks ago at a joint press conference with Mr Sarkozy whether he would attend, he replied: "We will not be boycotting the Olympic Games; Britain will be attending the Olympic Games ceremonies."

The Prime Minister has also made much of the Dalai Lama's view that no-one should boycott the Games. At a press conference earlier this week, Mr Brown said: "I think there is a general view that a boycott of the Olympics would not assist this current situation."

Last night, a spokeswoman for Mr Brown said: "We have never said he was going to the opening ceremony. There is no change in our position."

She added that she did not know why he would not attend.

Nick Clegg, the Lib Dems' leader, who had urged Mr Brown not to attend the ceremony, said: "Too often Gordon Brown does the right thing under pressure, rather than out of conviction. From his reluctance to bring up human rights during his recent visit to China, to his last-minute agreement to meet the Dalai Lama, the Prime Minister has failed to show real leadership on this vital issue.

"He should follow his decision not to attend the opening ceremony by insisting the Chinese quickly enter negotiations with the Dalai Lama and abandon the needlessly provocative plan to parade the torch through Tibet."

Meanwhile, Tibet's governor has insisted the Olympic torch, which has become a magnet for human rights protesters, will be taken through the mountainous region as part of its global relay, with any objectors being "dealt with severely".

Champa Phuntsok, the official appointed by China, made the pledge ahead of last night's San Francisco leg of the relay, which has been blighted by violent skirmishes between police and demonstrators in London and Paris.

Ambulances lined the torch's six-mile route around the San Francisco Bay, while an extra 50 deputies from the sheriff's department were on patrol.

Thousands of people gathered along the relay route, while

pro-Tibet and pro-China groups were given side-by-side permits to demonstrate amid signs of tension.

The torch is set to travel to Argentina, and then to a dozen other countries, before arriving in China on 4 May.

POLLUTION A PROBLEM

THE president of the International Olympic Committee has warned that some events at the Games could be affected by the high levels of pollution in Beijing.

Jacques Rogge, below, spoke out as China tightened up its smoking legislation ahead of this summer's Games. Mr Rogge said the air quality in the Chinese capital could be "problematic" for events lasting more than an hour. He suggested events such as the marathon, road cycling, triathlon, open-water swimming and race walking could be postponed if the effects of the air pollution are exacerbated by the weather.

Last month, the men's marathon world record- holder, Haile Gebrselassie, said he would not be running in the event – although he would take part in the 10,000 metres – because of the pollution.

However, Paula Radcliffe, the women's marathon world record-holder, who suffers from asthma, has said she thinks the air quality will not be the main concern for athletes. Instead, she cited the heat and humidity.


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  • Last Updated: 09 April 2008 9:47 PM
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Angus Ogg,

T. S Eliot's Cat House 09/04/2008 23:46:25
Macavity's a Mystery Cat: he's called the Hidden Paw -

For he's the master criminal who can defy the Law.

He's the bafflement of Scotland Yard, the Flying Squad's despair:

For when they reach the scene of crime - Macavity's not there!
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 00:31:45
Objectors being dealth with "Severely"...ach nae suprises there mmmmmmh?...
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 10/04/2008 01:48:12
Brown won't go to Olympic opening ceremony but denies talk of boycott
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Can U imagine the verbal crap the fanatical supporters of SNP would fill these posts with . had The PM gone to the opening of the Olympics in Beijing.

What a pathetic bunch the SNP supporters are. Gordon Brown We salute U dude . Unlike our evil Pres Bushand his gang.

GC



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Lovepan,

North East England 10/04/2008 02:11:19
#4 How the heck have you managed to bring up Northern Rock after an article about the Olympics?

You're obsessed man! Pull yourself together! Insanity reigns! Let go of your hate!

Remember the three kiss rule after posting.

xxx
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Lovepan,

North East England, which is lovely 10/04/2008 02:34:50
Incidentally, I used to live in China and I am currently writing a thesis on political instability in that country.

The non-elected Chinese Government's claim to legitimacy (following the abandonment of Communist ideals) has been as the true bearer and guardian of nationalism and national interest. The Communists, essentially, are the true patriots.

It promotes this with anti- American, Japanese and Taiwanese press releases, which forments public anger against percieved injustices against the hard-working and peace-loving Chinese.

Unfortunately, Chinese nationalism is running out of control as a result, potentially resulting in a Chinese Government unable to resist public demands for military action against what might be a negligable threat.

They face the dilemma:

Stand up for injured Chinese pride (who culturally see themselves as the victims) with military force should the need arise, especially against the USA over Taiwan.

or

face being toppled

Although I really don't care about Scottish independence, the parallels between the SNP and the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) in terms of political tactics are quite plain to see.

Pick fights and portray yoursleves as the champion of the victims, or lose legitimacy.

Now, thee baying hyanas, tear this impartial poster apart!

(three kisses)

xxx
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The Daleks,

Longmen 10/04/2008 02:44:05
Brown just can't get anything right.

After being photographed in Downing Street with the goons from The People's Armed Police, who'd just assaulted British citizens in the streets of London, he now flip flops and decides not to attend the opening ceremonies.

He truly is a ditherer.

I hope the good folk of KDY do the right thing at the next election.
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The Daleks,

Longmen 10/04/2008 02:53:01
#5 GC

For someone who is supposedly a Californian, living in California, USA your deep and abiding hatred of the SNP is really weird.

Are you sure that you're not living in the other California beside Falkirk?

And with the amount of schrooms you supposedly take, would you know the difference?
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The Daleks,

Longmen 10/04/2008 03:04:28
#7 Lovepan

You're essentially correct.

China is vastly unstable, and as someone who knows the country well, I can also add the Beijing's writ doesn't extend across the whole country the whole time.

The local Party bosses pretty much do what they want, and implement state laws according to their own interpretation of them.

You forgot to mention the fact that while the Chinese have a very real sense of angry victim hood, "You evil Westerners did this, and the foul Japanese did that"(endlessly!!) the also have very overt feelings of racial and cultural superiority over everyone else.

The rise of China is a very dangerous thing for the rest of the world. Having visited most of the surrounding countries, I know their neighbours feel this way too.

It's about time the rest of you realised it and put an economic spoke in their works while you still can.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 10/04/2008 03:09:21
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The Daleks,
Longmen

Dude,
I live in Murrieta CA.

No if's or but's.

As for the SNP they are on the wrong track in 2008. In 1908 I would or could understand their desire to take Scotland independent..

But in 2008 its a different world, its a Global communication world. Instant information. BIG is BETTER.

As I have said before, an Independent Scotland will be nothing more than a pip-squeak 3rd. World State .

With the proverbial beggars bowl.

I do not hate Scotland < I admire the Scots but they left it too late .

The SNP are dreamers and their con trick won't work , in my opinion.

The Scots ship yards are not filled with orders from pip-squaek countries . But from large countries with money to spend.

Stay with the UK and move forward .

QUIT Ur dreaming . And definitely QUIT Ur verbal attacks on Westminster.

The Scots majority have never indicated they want to abandon the UK.

Live with it Dude.

Happy Haggis day.

GC
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Guga II,

Rockall 10/04/2008 03:13:29
#5 Galactic Cornball.

You are definitely weird. Why such a hatred of the SNP? Are they threatening to take over California? Maybe you don't actually live in California, but are actually in some squat in middle England.

You always bad-mouth the war criminal Bush, but here you are supporting the war criminal Brown. Very strange.

You also claimed that the Californians were going to show us all what protesting was really all about, as regards the torch for the Gangster Olympics; and that you were going to be there in the thick of it. What happened dude? Their protests were a bit of a farce. Were you organising them?

All these magic mushrooms are making you lose what little grip on reality you ever had.
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Guga II,

Rockall 10/04/2008 03:23:19
#10 The Daleks.

You are spot on as regards your assessment of the Chinese. Their whole system is riddled with corruption, from top to bottom, with a bunch of gangsters at the top making sure that their personal interests are well looked after. I suppose they are following the lead set by Mao Tse Tung. He was an evil, incompetent, corrupt megalomaniac.

As to their overt feelings of racial and cultural superiority, that is also very true. They do suffer from a "master race" complex; and we know all about people who suffer from that particular complex.

If the rest of the world keeps kow-towing to the Chinese, we are heading down a very dangerous path. It's also only a matter of time before they start claiming all of South-East Asia as Chinese territory, and invade and annex it as they have done with Tibet.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 10/04/2008 04:20:58
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Guga II,
Rockall 1
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Brown is not a war criminal .He took over from a war criminal Blair .

And yes I cannot stand Bush our evil Pres and his gang led by Cheney.

And no I do not live in middle England or middle Scotland.

I live in Murrieta approx 6 miles north of Temecula in CA. The I-15 connects both Cities and my parents own land and condominiums in Temecula.

It is a part of the Inland Empire and San Diego Co adjoins it. They also own properties in SD County.

OK Dude .
I am not Ur run of the mill dude.I refuse to get a job and my father thinks I am a waster. My mother thinks otherwise and understands.
So within my family I have one sister and my mother who understands . My father and two older sisters are out in left field.

I do not hate anyone including the political upstart SNP.

I believe the SNP are too late, and they will destroy Scotland if they manage to con the majority into voting for Independence.

Show me just one pip squeak state that thrives in the Global Economy and who operates power house industries and has real clout.

I hope the majority of Scots see through the SNP smoke and mirrors. Obama Hussein Barack reminds me of the SNP all smoke and mirrors.

Happy Haggis Day

GC
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The Daleks,

Longmen 10/04/2008 04:23:41
#13 Guga

Absolutely.

I was in Ulaan Bataar quite recently, and the growing Chinese presence in the city is highly visible. Chinese property developers are throwing up buildings left, right, and centre.

Mongolia is a huge country with a small population, and the locals really believe that at some point in the future the PLA will come rolling over the border in a land grab. I have to say, I agree with them.

Most people in the West are currently too preoccupied with the threat from militant Islam to see an even mightier threat rising in the east.

There's still time to pull the rug out from under the Chinese economy, profits from which are flooding into the Chinese armed forces, but it will have to be soon.

I would urge any Westerner with an iota of self interest to avoid the "Made in China" label like the plague.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 04:42:22
GalacticCannibal

So tell us Dude how was San Francisco?

"I am not Ur run of the mill dude.I refuse to get a job and my father thinks I am a waster."

No wonder you like Gordon Brown.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 05:06:10
#7

I also lived in China for a couple of years. The Chinese reminded me more of the Germans than the Scots.

It may be true that the Scots have a sense of victimhood similar to the Chinese and Germans.

But their are a couple of cultural attributes the Chinese and Germans share alone.

That is a deeply held belief in their Cultural and Racial superiority, and a complete lack of any moral compass.

The Scots in place of this have the famous Scottish Cringe and an over developed sense of Social Justice.

The Chinese and Germans also have a strong desire to be told what to think by their leaders.

Where as the Scots have an absolute contempt for Authority.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 05:30:07
The Daleks,
As Benny Hill used to say, you're a "lovely bunch of coconuts."
You obviously know squat about China, you just ramble on like every other nut who think they know China. First of all, what is wrong with China investing in other countries? Any country wiyh extra money to spend will use that money to invest elsewhere, it makes economic sense.
China is not about to invade Mongolia, they're just looking for economic advantages, just like they have heavily invested in Africa.
Second point,
Islam is by far a bigger threat, they use suicide bombers and global terror to get their point across, something of which China is not guilty of. China defends its borders, and stays within its borders, just like they have every right and responsibility to do. The same can't be said for your government and armed forces. Your're barking up the wrong tree, get your house in order first, we will keep ours in order.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 05:44:49
#17, KampungHighlander,Jakarta,
How can you possibly compare China with Germany? There is no comparison whatsoever. The Germans were hellbent on world dominance, but failed twice. China may take the world by its economic prowess, but physically it stays at home. The Chinese in no way thinks they have racial superiority, in fact, it looks upon the western race as superior to their own, just by looking at the fact that we are generally much physically bigger people. With access to better food and more money to spend, the younger generations of Chinese are getting much bigger, but they still think we are superior as a western race. The Germans are slightly better than the Japanese, for at least the Germans admitted to their mistakes and apologized, something China is still waiting to hear from the Japanese. You're better off to compare the Germans and the Japanese, China does not fit into that picture, they were the unfortunate victims of the Japanese. I don't see anyone boycotting German and Japanese products in the west though, quite hypocritical.
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The Daleks,

Longmen 10/04/2008 05:45:52
#18 P45

I'd wager I know a damn sight more about China than you do.

Anyway, to your points.

There's nothing wrong group A investing in group B, but when group A happens to be the mafia with a load of heavies at its back, then group B has every right to feel threatened.

As for militant Islam, I don't underestimate the threat it posses, but nor do I underestimate the threat posed by China. A dictatorship led country that is currently pumping billions of Yuan into expanding its armed forces. Why?

Only 12% of China is arable, and it has few natural resources. It does however have a growing population, currently standing officially at 1.3 billion, although the actual figure is probably somewhat higher.

Given the nature of the current leadership and the situation within the country, aggressive expansion is almost inevitable.

As for China staying peacefully within its borders, tell that to the Tibetans, the Vietnamese, the Indians, and the Uighurs.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 05:58:01
Skidmark54

I have heard that the next Torch Relay leg will consist of the Torch being placed in the trunk of a taxi at the Airport that will then be driven around the Argentine capital and then back to the Airport.

Is that true?
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta...CA........a place in the Sun 10/04/2008 05:58:08
16 KampungHighlander,Jakarta
Dude,
As usual San Francisco is always a terrific place to visit.

But the sad bunch of conditioned Chinese, had to change their published route ,so the torch was carried through a non-disclosed route,and away from the Embarcadero .

The CCP/PLA have zero control over western countries,and they have no concept of freedom to protest.

The 2008 Olympic Games will turn out to be a world class PR disaster for CHINA and its tyrannical communist government.

GC

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scotia,

Providenciales 10/04/2008 05:58:21
Very short history lesson.
Tibet part of China for thousand years.
1900's Britain takes control of Tibet after the Opium wars.
Dalai Lama, who was the ruling class enslaves the people and treats them like slaves and second class citizens.
1950 China gets Tibet back and Britain forces India to take the Dalai Lama.
2000's and Tibet gets new railway and social services.
So Tibet did get its freedom, but not from China but from Britain.
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The Daleks,

Longmen 10/04/2008 06:01:10
#19 P45

You really, don't have a clue.

The Chinese do not, absolutely, definitely, not see the West as superior.

The Chinese view Westerners as uncivilised upstarts, and see them as being racially inferior.

You've already admitted to being regularly referred to as a "laowai" this is not the polite Chinese word for a foreigner, it is a racial slur.

Do you speak Chinese? If you don't then you will not be aware of how often you are referred to as a "ghost" when you walk down the street, or sit in a restaurant.

"Ghost" I might add is an extremely powerful racial epithet regularly used to describe Westerners.

If I were you, I'd open my eyes to those you seek to defend. To most of them you don't even rate as a fully fledged human.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 06:02:31
#20, The Daleks,
Look at any modern and up to date map, and you will clearly see that Tibet and Xinjiang are indeed a legal part of China, that is an undisputed fact. They have been part of China for a long time, and therefore China is keeping its house in order. Your country is presently engaged in an illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, and God only knows how many innocent people are suffering on account of that, and the losses to your misguided armed forces are also inexcusable. Your past leader Tony Blair slept with the Bush asministation and your current leader Gordon Brown can't make up his mind on anything. Like I said before, you get your house in order, and we will keep ours in order. And yes, I use 'us, 'we' and 'our', because I have adopted China as my country, and proudly so. Canada is a beautiful country and has the 'right' to vote, but votes, as you well know, mean absolutely nothing, just ask the Americans, who have suffered under Bush far too long.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/04/2008 06:08:11
GC #5 - a word to the wise, dude, us SNP supporters are against the Beijing mob as you are. GB isn't nicknamed Macavity for nothing.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 06:13:15
#24 The Daleks,
No, I don't speak Chinese that well, there are too many dialects to confuse me.. I do however have a Chinese partner who tells me that 'laowai' is not rude, just not formal. I never once admitted to you that I am regularly referred to as 'laowai', and I have many friends here and they treat me with great respect and honour. My colleagues also show me a lot of respect, and appreciate how much I love and defend my adopted country. They are fully aware of how the west hates them, therefore they are suprised at how much I defend them. They appreciate that I think for myself and that I never got brainwashed by the western powers and their respective media. If China was indeed as bad as the west claims it is, there's no way I would choose to live out my life here.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 10/04/2008 06:14:10
23 - ahhh, the People's Republic of China, such a beacon of democracy and freedom. Such a beacon that the residents of Hong Kong dreaded returning to Beijing control.
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Guga II,

Rockall 10/04/2008 06:22:39
#25 Skidmark54.

"Look at any modern and up to date map, and you will clearly see that Tibet and Xinjiang are indeed a legal part of China".

That'll be a map published by the gangster government of China. Look at modern maps published in other parts of the world, in places that do not recognise the right of your gangster government to invade, occupy and oppress a peaceful people.

For an alleged Canadian, you seem to have pretty free and easy access to the Internet, unlike the ordinary Chinese. Such access is usually only given to party cadres, who can be relied upon to toe the party line. In other words, you are one of the mouthpieces of the gangster Chinese government.

Your gangster, criminal government's genocide of the Tibetan people, the destruction of their culture and their religion is well known thoughout the world, as is their repression of the Uighurs and other minorities.

Your gangster government's forced abortions and sterilisation of people, without the aid of anaesthetics, is also well known. As is their butchery of the Falun Gong. 60% of the organs taken from people executed by the PLA thugs come from the Falun Gong, and they have even been known to remove organs while there people are still alive.

You own people are treated like dogs, with no rights to free speech or any form of democracy. Look what your gangster government did after Tiananmen Square. there is no way that that mob of gangsters can save face, as too many people the world over know exactly what kind of repressive society they have in China, and how corrupt their gangster megalom,aniac leaders are. Wen Jiabao and Hu Jintao are corrupt criminals and gangsters.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 06:23:58
Skidmark54

I found that most Chinese women thought of their Western boyfriends as Da Bitsu, Da Chia, Da JiBa. which in case your chinese isn't that good translates to Big Nose, Big Wallet, Big D!ck. I hope yours is different.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 06:28:07
#28, Pilrig,
The transition of Hong Kong returning to China went as smoothly as could be expected, the return date just happened to fall when there was an economic downturn. Hong Kong is presently doing fine and they are generally not complaining. They think different thanks to the British influence for so many years, but have accepted that they are once again part of China. Taiwan is a different story, for there are many seperatists there, and the American influence isn't helping anything, eventhough for some odd reason, the Americans agree to China's one country policy, and yes, that includes Taiwan. Politics create strange bed partners, the USA and Taiwan relationship being a fine example.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 06:33:39
#29, Guga ll,
It is obvious that you have never been to China, at least not recently, for everybody here has equal opportunity to access the internet. The city of Chongqing has too many internet bars to count, as well as Shanghai and Beijing, and probably most of China, and yes, these places are always crowded and inexpensive.
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The Daleks,

Longmen 10/04/2008 06:53:53
#32 P45

You're right there are lots of Internet cafes in Chongqing, I've been to that particular city twice.

What you don't mention, however, that in order to gain access to the net, the would be surfer has to hand over his/her ID card and the details are noted down along with the time and date, and the number of the terminal assigned to them.

As the Internet is constantly monitored by an army of electronic and human snoops, people are very wary about what they look at and what they post.

Foreign news organisations websites are regularly blocked as are a number of other sites deemed to be "unsuitable".

And on a previous matter, I can assure you old chap, "laowai" is offensive.

If I were you I'd learn some Chinese, and actually observe what's going on/being said around you.
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McX,

10/04/2008 08:18:45
Like he never intended an Autumn election, he never intended going to the opening ceremony.

Amazing how good he is at retrospective decision making, once others have informed the polls, that is.
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Unimpressed one,

10/04/2008 08:20:08
"I would urge any Westerner with an iota of self interest to avoid the "Made in China" label like the plague."

Think you'll find that particular piece of advice impossible to follow, unless of course you are a greenie living in a cave.
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McX,

10/04/2008 08:20:58
#11 Hey like Galactic Dud, like I see you live in Murrieta, Ca isn't that like home to lots of drug cheats like Floyd Landis and Barry Bond?

Wow you must be ashamed to be living in such a place that fosters a philosophy of "It's ok to be a lying sleazeball cheat". Like is that your town motto, dud?

I see that it's a real historic place with, like some buildings dating back to the whoah the early 1970's. Dud that's like prehistoric.

Happy Steroid Day Dud.


McX x
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Lianachan,

Highlands 10/04/2008 08:25:00
Is China's human rights record and foreign policy really that much worse than that of the US and Israel though.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 08:38:34
Rumour has it that since the Torch Relay in San Fran is out of the way the Geniuses running the IOC have decided to push on with rest of the Torch Relay. They are under some misguided belief that with the "Western" leg completed that somehow the dangerous part is over.

In the west we are very experienced at having disruptive demonstrations without large scale loss of human life. Can the same be said for Pakistan or India?

Given the resentment amongst Muslims over the treatment of the Muslim minority in China and the number of absolute fanatics in Pakistan who see nothing wrong with shedding blood on a massive scale I think the most dangerous period is about to start.

India is home to not only Muslims with a sense of greivance against China but also a great many young Tibetans who are tired by the failure of the Dalai Lama's non violent approach to achieving Tibetan autonomy.

I certainly hope that I am wrong, as human life is far more important than any political agenda or any silly sports circus. But I think that if they choose to continue with the march of the Flame of Shame this Olympics is going to make Munich look like a childrens tea party.

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Jacqueline Hyde ,

Back on the bookshelf 10/04/2008 08:41:50
Broon has to be in China for the handover to London at the end of the Olympics. Even Blair would have found it hard to justify two trips to China in the space of just over 2 weeks.

This isn't a question of befuddled political thinking - merely befuddled logistics.
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Toast,

10/04/2008 08:54:58
Why can't Brown just be honest and admit that he was going to attend but has realised what a disaster that would be and has decided to boycott,what a pathetic control freak.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 09:09:19
#37Lianachan

"Is China's human rights record and foreign policy really that much worse than that of the US and Israel"?

Lets have a look, Does the US or Israel

1. Force women to abort their unborn children so local government officials can meet their quota?

2. Extract Organs from condemned prisoners while they are alive?

3. Provide Military and Financial assistance to regimes engaged in Genocide? 300,000 dead and counting.

4. Jail people for criticizing Government Policy?

5. Jail torture and Murder people who refuse to recant their religous beliefs?

6. Execute people for non violent criminal offences such as theft or embezellment?

7. Drive Tanks Over and use machine guns on people who are peacfully demonstrating?

8. Not allow their people to choose who their political leaders are?

If you can answer yes to any of those questions you might have a point.



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TommyKaye,

UK 10/04/2008 09:43:47
Many have previously speculated about whether or not the Labour Party was actually legally solvent. It is noticeable that loan after loan has fallen due and not been repaid. The money has been rolled over, reportedly with some reluctance by some lenders. The party is up to it's neck in debt to the Co-Op Bank and and the unions via money laundered through Unity Trust Bank.

The latter bank has lent so much money to the Labour Party against a small capital base that the FSA put it on the high risk loan register and demanded monthly report monitoring of the risk.

David Pitt-Watson, as a calculating City risk taker, would have been well aware of the risk. The Labour Party is now classed by credit agencies as a dangerously high credit risk. As an unincorporated association the bulk of assets and debts are in law owned by trustees for the Labour Party, which is £20 million in debt and the members of the NEC are personally liable. If an aggrieved creditor were to call in the debts, it would be them who would be on the hook. David Pitt-Watson is worth millions, which a canny creditor might think worth pursuing.

Ben Brogan has been briefed by Downing Street that the speculation first made on LabourHome and followed up by the Guardian, that this is the reason Pitt-Watson has had second thoughts about the job. Brogan says that it will take until the autumn for "DPW" to "sort his affairs".

Well it is certainly more plausible than the original spin from Downing Street that the delay was due to "contractual reasons" related to his previous appointment. To be honest I never believed that line and this seems a bit too convenient as well.

Taking the explanation at face value is hard to do. Setting up a discretionary trust to protect your assets from creditors takes weeks not months, it also has the benefit of putting your assets out of the Chancellor's reach. Wonder how the Labour Party rank-and-file will feel about a multi-millionaire general secretary of the party
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shivago8,

livingston 10/04/2008 10:03:29
It,s a snub,countries will start withdrawing from the games.
Look at what happened when we held the Commonwealth games in Edinburgh.
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MWM,

Argyll 10/04/2008 11:09:12
#15 The Daleks

I couldn't agree more. I too have been in Mongolia and the Chinese are seen as a real threat. Unfortunately, being a land locked country they rely on much of their trade coming and going through China who hold all the strings and could cut off the trade route whenever they wish.
Mongolia has a population of 2,594,800. China has a population of 1,321,851,888 and is running out of land.




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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 11:27:37
...47..and water...

http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2458
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Rob7,

England 10/04/2008 11:33:41
The Saying "Damned if he goes, Damned if he doesn't" comes to mind. I don't think he should go to the opening, but to the closing as that is more important for the 2012 in London.

People seem to forget that this is NOT our business. The Olympics should be a peacefull sporting event.

I would much rather have an English PM going to the Closing ceromony then a foreign one.
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Angus Ogg,

10/04/2008 11:48:27
#12 Guga,

My wee pal the Galactic Amadan, doesn't live in Middle England.

He lives in Middle Earth :@)

GC Happy USA Independence Day
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 12:25:06
50...Clarry ...have you had your head in the sand?...the Dalai Lama has never objected to the Chinese hosting the Olympics...I have responded to this statement already on the other article...

"An oppressive government is to be more feared than a tiger"

Confucius

FREE THE PANCHEN LAMA!!
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McX,

10/04/2008 13:01:28
Interesting poll here folks. Make it so.

http://www2.jpscotland.co.uk/Scotsman/survey/referendum/_scotland_on_sunday_referendum_survey.htm
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kimba,

10/04/2008 13:04:26
Excellent posts from GC,as for gordy, good call pity he has to go to the closing ceremony,but as we are hosting the 2012 olympics he has no choice.
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Lovepan,

North East England 10/04/2008 13:08:41
#49 Rob7
That's a ridiculous statement. If Gordan's foreign, tnen so am I.

#25 The Governor of Lhasa, the Tri Rimpoche , speaking in August 1904 upon signing a treaty with the British, famously said:

"When one has known the scorpion (meaning China) the frog (meaning Britain) is divine".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet

xxx


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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 14:22:49
Once again postmark shows his complete ignorance of the actual facts, relying more on the local press in his area. If he is actually Canadian , i'll be surprised.
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Act sensibly,

Edinburgh 10/04/2008 14:45:48
The Daleks and KampungHighlander. You make good sense. Also we shouldn't mix up China and Islam. The Chinese are a threat, the moderate majority of Muslims are not really a threat (only they are a bit backward in (and those from) undeveloped countries where they treat their women very badly). At least those who live by Islam live well and spiritually.

China pretends to live by eastern wisdom and philososphy but in fact employs nazi politics to control its people. If the Western governments and the rest of the world do not stand up to them now they will be bullying and threatening to bomb us within 10 years. We should maybe try to avoid the "well done China, you're great, can we make a lot of money with you and sell off half of the UK power stations and other assets to you" approach.

Peg them back while it's still possible! Plus did anyone see they would lose a quarter of their landmass if they didn't have the areas they've annexed from Tibet.

Oh by the way- European co-operation wouldn't go amiss on these type of issues (eh Gordon)? 400 million is better than 60,776,238 when talking global domination politics?

xxx
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oddoneout,

10/04/2008 14:53:32
Clarry why are you singling Israel out for human rights abuses and not tarring the Palestinians with the same brush. The two sides in this battle are as bad as each other, both target civillians as a means to exact revenge and put a low value on each others lives. It is state sponsored terrorism by both factions,
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 10/04/2008 15:03:52
#56 Biker,
You're just a wee bit sore because Dragonhead and I have had so many go's at you, and you don't even know when Dragonhead is playing with you, he has covered his tracks wisely and adopted a complete different way of corresponding with you, and so far, you have fallen for it every time, and I can't see that ever changing, for Dragonhead's disguise is absolutely perfect. Mashimaro also has constantly proven you wrong, something that is obviously driving you insane. Face it, you can't beat the Chinese, and its allies. We out-think you on everything, and we don't have to think that hard when dealing with you, you just make it far too easy for us. I prefer a challenge, but every once in a while it is good to get a freebie. Thanks buddy, much appreciated.
By the way, the missus says hi.
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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 15:48:27
59 Postcrap. Your sorry tome says it all my deluded friend. By obfuscating and attempting to muddy the water you have proved, just like your pathetic gang of thugs in charge that you are running out of ideas. Mashimaro has resolutely failed to impress me in any way, but he is still head and shoulders above you. Dunderhead, who cares, the great mystery is in your mind.
As for the Chinese out-thinking the west gimmie a break, you couldnt out-think a 3 year old child.
As for the freebie, you have indeed been one and perhaps the brain you attempt to engage was one also.
Tell the missus hi as well and also to keep your medication close at hand, Cos your gonna need it when the reprogrammers come around.
Hey HC whadda ya make of this idiot?
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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 15:49:13
By the way postcrap. Is your missus a he or a she. Perhaps even a goat?
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Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 16:08:56
#42 Kampoochi

"Is China's human rights record and foreign policy really that much worse than that of the US and Israel"?

Lets have a look, Does the US or Israel

1. Force women to abort their unborn children so local government officials can meet their quota?
China does not do this either. Some criminal officials do. They will be stopped.

2. Extract Organs from condemned prisoners while they are alive?
Well, at least we don't gang rape their daughters. I would feel safe in saying that is no longer happening too much these days.

3. Provide Military and Financial assistance to regimes engaged in Genocide? 300,000 dead and counting.
Indeed they do. The US pays millions to israel engaged in killing off Palestinians.
Let's take a look at your involvement in Somalia where you back warlords to kill off the Muslims. How about backing the murdering Jonas Savimbi in Angola just so he would be your stooge in the oil rich country. How many people died there in your fight against communism? How much misery have the people you have paid, backed, taught and supplied caused ALL OVER THE WORLD?

4. Jail people for criticizing Government Policy?
Chi si, our editor is still walking around - and with all his organs.

5. Jail torture and Murder people who refuse to recant their religous beliefs?
This is not true. Anyone is free to believe in whatever they like. They are not free to join anti-Chinese cults that plan to bring down the government, and then spread their literature and lies to others.
You, on the other hand attack any country that would be communist. I think you need to take a look at what you did in Chile, a nod and a wink, anything to put the commies down. I would think that for a country that dropped TWO atomic bombs on civillians they'd shut the * up.

6. Execute people for non violent criminal offences such as theft or embezellment?
You support islamic countries that do.
On the other hand we don't return child molesters to molest children a
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Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 16:12:03


On the other hand we don't return child molesters to molest children again, rapists to rape again, murderers to kill again. See, we protect our people from scum, you guys let it loose to do their crimes again.

7. Drive Tanks Over and use machine guns on people who are peacfully demonstrating?
As oppossed to reining bombs on women and children in Afghanistan, slaughtering a million Iraqis? Snatching innnocent people and sending them off to places like Egypt to be tortured (cos your hands must remain lilly white)? We don't use DU nukes againt them or biological weapon to drive them to famine.

8. Not allow their people to choose who their political leaders are? Yeah you don't. The minute they choose someone you don't like you cause trouble with them, shut them off from the rest of the world. That, of course, is after you and your US masters have already tried to porvert the course of justice.
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Booster,

10/04/2008 16:12:45
"Brown won't go to Olympic opening ceremony but denies talk of boycott"

That sums up Browns mentality rather neatly.

He doesn't have the balls to decide to take one stance or the other.
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malkster,

Scotland 10/04/2008 17:31:03
#62/63

Is this guy for real or is it one of these spoof type things?
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westview,

sky zero 10/04/2008 18:15:32
One of Brown's few supporters has allegedly ,( according to a local Paisley newspaper), stated that ex- ministers who critisise Brown should be injected with rabbies. The MP who allegedly said this at Westminster is the MP for Paisley North, the area which Wendy represents in the Scots Parliament. If any of the utterances from labour supporters are a guide, then the injections have already started!.
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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 19:41:22
Mashimaro you dissapoint me yet again. Your answers to Kampoochi are nonsence again.
Question 1 Yes you do my lieing friend.
Question 2 Yes you do and no amount of avoiding the question will cover your tracks.
Question 3 yes you do. As a nation you are currently financing Zimbabwe and Zambia to name but two.
Question 4 Oh indeed you do. What about your human rights lawyer jailed for 3 years just the other day?
Question 5 Yes again , no question about this either. Try to stick to the question Mashers. The US and UK have been and are involved in some very dodgy things but let us come back to that.
Question 6 Again, you do no question. In answer to your question (although 2 wrongs dont make a right) China currently executes more people than the rest of the world combined.
Question 7 The world saw Tiananmen Square. Inexcusable!! I dont remember your regime declaring war over the protestors.
Question 8 You do not allow your people to vote!!!
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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 19:43:12
Mashimaro. Why dont you come clean on this and be honest. One one hand you attempt to discuss and later revert to silly mode. Your answers are smoke and mirrors nothing more.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 19:44:25
60...Biker.."His wit would not threaten a shrew's brain for occupation"

Vivian Stanshall (Via Sir Henry Rawlinson)

Think his spring's well sprang....

67...Clarry...read my post again..slowly..and then think very hard for at least...15 minutes...then when you come to (I hope) the correct conclusion....go educate yourself....you are obviously in need of it....

Consider yourself....'Clarryfied'..
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 19:49:39
70...Biker...CCP tactics...what can you expect from an apologist who shrugs off the murders of his fellow countrymen in such a callous cold-blooded fashion?...
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Paloma negra,

10/04/2008 20:25:43
#7 lovepan ... yea the SNP have lost the script completely.
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Paloma negra,

10/04/2008 20:33:42
The SNP have completely lost the script in fact.
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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 20:41:45
I made the comment earlier today that apparently the media in Australia and The US are coming under the same scrutiny and attack as we are on this site. Oddities posting as europeans and Americans posting exactly the same drivel as you see on here.
Strange eh?
HC. Good post at #71
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10/04/2008 21:02:40
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John Blackley,

Florida 10/04/2008 21:22:00
Well done, Prime Minister! A principled and courageous stand against China's appalling record on human rights or.........er, a mistake by your diary-keeper. Hmm. Okay, perhaps it's more of a finger-wag. Or perhaps its.........oh heavens, I don't know what it is.

The Prime Minister will not attend the opening ceremony because.......... he never said he would. His spokesunit said they don't know why he won't attend. However, our brave and principled Prime Minister will attend the closing ceremony. Oh well done, Gordon! That'll show Johnny Chinaman what Britain's made of!
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 22:54:05
The Panchen Lama was kidnapped in 1995 Clarry...it will be his birthday soon...he has not been seen since he was six years of age...the worlds youngest political prisoner...

http://www.panchenlama.info/

This is actually quite common knowledge Clarry...the Chinese Government have admitted to the United Nations that they took this boy and his family into 'Protective Custody'.....you obviously were not aware of his existance...and YOU need to educate yourself on a few facts re China...

Try googling 'Falun Gong' and see what you come up with...take the red tinted specs of before you read.....
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 23:05:16
The CCP know exactly what they are doing....they replaced an important spiritual leader (thus interfering with Tibetan religious culture) with a Chinese fake - in Beijing the 6 year old son of a Tibetan Communist party member was declared to be the Panchen Lama....the Panchen Lama plays a major role in recognising the next incarnation of the future Dalai Lama when the current one dies.......

You get the picture...

They are lower than a snakes belly.....
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 23:14:18
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6590467.stm..

This is a major political issue...not just yet another human rights abuse...the CCP has replaced a chosen spiritual leader of the Tibetans with a fake of their own...the significance of this is grave...
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Mashimaro,

11/04/2008 01:40:03
#Biker: Mashimaro. Why dont you come clean on this and be honest. One one hand you attempt to discuss and later revert to silly mode. Your answers are smoke and mirrors nothing more."

I have been more than clean with you. I have been perfectly honest. Remember I was the one who told you about harvesting organs from people who were not yet dead - only to have those words twisted and flung back at me. No attempt to discover the truth on your part. This is not official policy. It happened by error and we have only one single known account. Stop making it sound as if it's a matter of course or government policy.
I did not deny any of the allegations just answered the question - are China's human rights worse than America's.
When you stack them up, there isn't much difference.
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Mashimaro,

China 11/04/2008 08:06:09
#81 "This is a major political issue"
No, not really.
Have you worked out yet why the Dalai Lama carries a Chinese title?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 10:10:07
Yes it is MushyP...and the Dalai Lama's title irrelevant...what is relevant is that China has set the stage for a the next Dalai Lama to be a state controlled puppet who has to kowtow to the great god of the CCP...he will be a mouthpiece for the CCP....a fake...a dud...but you know what you numpty

...the world will not recognise a fake....

By removing the official Tibetan Panchen Lama you have removed his official agreement of the genuine reincarnated Dalai Lama....

Lower than a snakes belly....
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Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 12:38:59
Mashimaro. Read the post again and try to be honest this time. I never claimed the harvesting incident was my idea or report.
As for human rights in the US and China being equal.... bo@@ocks my friend. China executes more people than the rest of the world combined, and the last time I checked US citizens could vote. I also dont remember old ladies being beaten by the US police. Try again.
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Biker,

Ayr 11/04/2008 12:39:55
clarry. you're an idiot.
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Mashimaro,

11/04/2008 12:39:58
here's the news, troll... The Dalai lama has ALWAYS been a state puppet. That is WHY he has that title, given to him BY THE CHINESE...given to the FIRST DALAI LAMA by the CHINESE, and all the other DALAI lamas since.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 13:51:57
Yes well that piece of 'news' goes a long way in defining the 'Red Rag' that you say you write for...free press indeed....the Chinese as I say, may have played a part in describing the name...but they played no part in choosing the reincarnated Lamas...and dont try and infer that they do...it is just...stupid....

If the Dalai Lama was a state puppet...why did China march into Tibet and seize it...there would be no need for such an action....if the Dalai Lama was a state puppet why have they 'done away' with the very person who will confirm his next incarnation?...surely you Commie creeps have nothing to fear.....?

Thicker than shoiteinraneckoaboattle...
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2008 18:48:13
Clarry, have you a wee taste for the sherry or are you really a complete and utter dullard?..

"Know a few Chinese people, they say China is fine"

Och well problem solved...lets all go hamYe and hiv a cup o' tea...thon Clarry knows a few Chinese folk an accordin tae thaim ivvyhings awrite...

You truly are a fine example of a half wit....I am astounded at your denial in the face of truth...you who proselytise about the rights of oppressed people...!!! but due to your ill defined communist sympathies deny that people in China and Tibet are suffering...

Please note...enforced abortions are happening now...Falun Gong are being executed and their organs harvested now....50 years ago?...you keep pulling that number out of a hat...your education is stuck in the 1950's...pit doon the sherry and go down to the library...actually do some reading for a change...know that might interfere with your night of passion wae Tommy Sherridan (ha ha in yer dreams!) but give it a try doll...on ye go hen!