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San Francisco's iconic landmark is latest target for protesters



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Published Date: 09 April 2008
By Russell Jackson
THE Olympic flame arrived in San Francisco yesterday amid tight security, as seven demonstrators were arrested after tying giant "Free Tibet" banners to the Golden Gate Bridge.
The torch landed in the city at 4am local time and was immediately taken to a secret location. Extra police will line the torch's route as it travels six miles through San Francisco today.

Mike McCaron, a spokesman for the airport, said: "We tre
ated it like a head-of-state visit."

Several protests are planned and police have said they may change the relay route if it is deemed necessary.

Yesterday, it emerged one runner who planned to carry the flame had dropped out over safety fears.

Officials said they were developing a plan that struck a balance between protesters' rights to express their views and the city's ability to host a safe ceremony. Peter Ueberroth, the chairman of the US Olympic Committee, said it was "a moment for the city to show its character, hospitality and commitment to peace and tolerance".

FEAR AMONG THE STARS

A SCOTTISH teenager chosen to carry the Olympic flame told yesterday how he was caught up in the pro-Tibet protests that marred the London leg of the relay.

Brian Thomson, 17, a torch-bearer, was in a convoy including rugby star Kenny Logan and runner Paula Radcliffe.

Brian, of Renfrew, was due to carry the torch at St Paul's Cathedral, but instead he bore it across London Bridge after activists clashed violently with police.

He said: "It was really scary.

The atmosphere on our bus was quite tense. We had to redirect our route towards London Bridge."

Brian, who battled back from a 40ft fall as a child to scoop two gold medals for judo at the Special Olympics in Glasgow in 2005, added: "Despite everything I still had a great day."





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1

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 00:41:08
Ding -a-ling-a-ling...that's Mushymarrow and P45's alarm clock....quick breakfast o' "Crunchy nuts" and back to clockin in at the Propoganda Farm...ye kin jist hear those boots clompin tae thir desk eh?

"An oppressive government is to be more feared than a tiger"

Confucius
2

Fitzpark,

Durham 09/04/2008 00:46:54
Restoring dignity to Tibetan culture and introducing freedom to the Tibetan people has become the landmark issue of this Olympic games. In 2001 China won a golden opportunity to re-join the community of nations, and make progress on the issue of human rights among its people. It has squandered this 7-year gift. Tibet was part of greater China up until 1912, when political turmoil severed that link. A Chinese regime with no regard for religious freedom and no regard for Tibetan culture re-imposed itself by force in 1951. It has remained by force and is unwelcome. The Olympic Games are a premier political vehicle. Since their re-introduction in 1896, they have been used as a political showcase by many nations. The protests against China’s crackdown in Tibet are entirely legitimate. Hopefully the loss of face caused by the protests and the crude self-revealing responses of the Chinese Government (frequently evident on these posts) will add more pressure to the forces for change within China.
3

Anita Shirreffs,

Florida 09/04/2008 01:55:04

Time to put out the flame me thinks...
You can shove alot down the throats of people, but not EVERYTHING! No PRC OLYMPICS!
4

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 09/04/2008 03:14:45
We have an entire town of un disciplined loonies here, I'm sure you will see naked crazy people with colorful paint on their faces tackling the torch barer. Crazy leftist can’t demonstrate without making idiots out of themselves.
5

Dáithí,

San Jose 09/04/2008 05:05:37
#4 - Nancy

>"We have an entire town of un disciplined loonies here, I'm sure you will see naked crazy people..."

Yeah, and since it's San Francisco it will be crazy naked gay guys. Why, for once, can't it be crazy, naked Victoria's Secret models? Just once??
6

Guga II,

Rockall 09/04/2008 05:21:46
#4 How can they be "leftists" if they are going to be demonstrating against a communist, gangster government?

I would have thought a right winger like yourself would have been all for demonstrations against a hardline communist regime.
7

Guga II,

Rockall 09/04/2008 05:24:43
As for Brian Thompson and his comment that "It was really scary.", maybe he should pause to think just how scary it is to have armed PLA thugs rampaging through your country, killing people off if they look the wrong way.
8

?????!!!,

09/04/2008 05:26:42
Rose Pak, Beijing's fountain of evil in SF will make sure SF politicos are in one w Borg
9

Mashimaro,

China 09/04/2008 06:11:18
Hey googoo... can you explain how it is that the Tibetan population has increased so much since the Chinese took over but you insist on saying we're committing genocide? Can you? puhleeeeeeeze....
10

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/04/2008 06:30:27
4 - sympathiser of the murderous regime of Beijing running dogs, bloody tyrants of the Tibetan people
11

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/04/2008 06:31:12
9 ditto
12

Guga II,

Rockall 09/04/2008 06:53:46
#9 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

I presume you mean by increased population, the around one million Han Chinese that your gangster government has sent to Tibet, so far, to take over the running of the country from the Tibetan government, as well as the running of the Tibetan economy. Aided and abetted, of course, by armed PLA thugs, just in case any of the Tibetans step out of line.

I presume your criminal, gangster government also subjects the Tibetans to the same level of health care as they give their own people, i.e. killing them off so that the PLA run "hospitals" can steal their organs, and sell them off. They no doubt do it like they do with the Falun Gong, and take the organs while they are still alive.

Another aspect of health care is also forced sterilisation and forced abortions, both done by PLA thugs masquerading as doctors, and done without anaesthetics. Again, your gangster government does that to its own people as well as the Tibetans.

You must be really proud of your gangster government, given the number of people they execute every year; though only 60% of the organs they get are from the Falun Gong, so they are slipping a bit there.
13

Media 1,

cape town 09/04/2008 07:15:51
So the protesters are on the bridge! What a bunch of losers..
If they are REALLY interested about Tibet and I mean REALLY interested. Then why not go after the White House as opposed to the olympics? China will host the games, end of story! And after the games they will still be in control of Tibet, and the US government and the British government and the FRENCH government whose president will boycott the opening ceremony will STILL be spending trillions in economic transactions with China.
So I ask! Is behaving like an idiot on the streets of London and Paris or San Francisco necessary, when the real problem has little to do with a wee flame?
Protesting is a right and it must always be protected, but the sort of person who attacks a wee flame and causes massive unrest and chaotic scenes is NOT protesting. They are simply trying to make a name for themselves and create their brand of anarchy under the guise of "The right to expression" These same people are usually the ones who are anti establishment, anti police and anti anything that they cant handle.
If they REALLY wanted to help people in Tibet, they would not be chasing a wee flame around the world.
14

Jim A,

09/04/2008 07:59:45
Hey Galactic Dopehead, in yesterday's comments you said

"Dudes,
The French know how to protest . ..Bastille is in their blood.

So Dudes U in Scotland especially the SNP fanatics.

What did U do to protest this flame on its way to CHINA .. Where 1.3 billion people cannot VOTE....Say
Well let me tell U, when that flame gets to the West Coast, the protests will match anything the French did and more."

Yeah right, way to go shroom brain
15

Boy Wonder,

09/04/2008 08:29:41
The San Francisco location is such an inspired choice for this leg of the "let's f*ck the Torch" relay!

It's the biggest open-air loony-bin outside of the Big Apple. I look in my crystal ball and foresee mucho problemos arising from this! The banner on the Bridge is but the tiniest part of the protests so far!

FREE TIBET! BOYCOTT BEIJING OLYMPICS!!

(Here's a point, as Scots, shouldn't we be calling it the By Jings Olympics?)
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 09/04/2008 11:35:25
6 Guga II,Rockall

As usual you left wing socialist haters have it wrong. I protest China all year long in a peaceful way by avoiding purchasing products made in China. My Husband only buys Wrangler jeans which I don't care for but they are made in the USA and we look at where everything is made before we purchase it, if something is made in China, forget it.

Acting like Bill Clinton and only talking about things and not acting does not accomplish anything, nor does tackling one of our athletes to grab a torch. It was a bad decision to hold the Olympics in China but no liberal wacko is going to change Chinas policies by trying to hurt someone carrying the torch.
18

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 09/04/2008 11:37:18
10 Pilrig.

Get a clue.
19

Browards,

09/04/2008 12:06:42
#16 Horrible

What the heck does that have to do with the article, you are sick!
20

Deuchars,

Edinburgh - FH 09/04/2008 12:40:55
20 clarry

HC was a "Quota" cop, wink wink..... Was never any good at it but you know how quotas work....
21

Media 1,

cape town 09/04/2008 12:49:14
The Beijing olympics will be phenomenal and I for one cannot wait for that opening ceremony.
Its all about sport, lets not forget that!

Those who are interested in helping Tibet must continue to do so. But what they cannot be permitted to do is hijack sport!

Sarkozy said he will boycott the opening ceremony! But if he was REALLY interested in assisting Tibet, he would have boycott China completely.
22

Deuchars,

Edinburgh - FH 09/04/2008 12:51:30
22 clarry

Well said !!!

"If that is the case, if that is what the Chinese people wish, they are quite capable of achieving it for themselves, without foreign intervention. Poland did, Russia did, Estonia did, Lithuia did, France did, and America did"
23

Deuchars,

Edinburgh - FH 09/04/2008 12:55:27
23 Media 1,cape town

You idiots make me laugh, like boycotting the olympics will do anything to change the government of China, how silly. How you go sit on a street corner and have a hunger strike :)
24

AJ Fife,

09/04/2008 13:46:35
Canky,

I missed your post at #16, was it the Chinese whanger menu again?

Personally, I'm disappointed Andy Murray has agreed to go to Peking. Not because of China's appalling human rights record, but the sight of Andy wearing Union colours will give me the dry boak! Perhaps if he still wears his Saltire cap, it won't be quite so bad.
25

Polly Ann,

09/04/2008 14:06:40
26 AJ Fife

Is HC talking about Guga's wee whanger again?
26

Biker,

Ayr 09/04/2008 14:47:38
As this fiasco rumbles on and the demonstartions get bigger and bigger, perhaps China should reflect on the worldwide condemnation of its current regime.
Mashimaro again asks the same lame brained questions which have been answered in previous posts, and I presume his puppy Postmark will be giving us the benefit of his limitless stupidity.
China should never have been awarded the games in the first place, but as they have perhaps the focus of attention should have been expected by the Asian idiots.
Nancy Pelosi. perhaps you could do better in your condemnation of the games than refusing to buy anything but Wrangler.
Media 1 I take your points but again, demonstrating at the point where the symbolism will affect the Chinese is not as stupid as it sounds. Chinese thinking is all about saving face and (according to Postmark) harmony. I see little hamonic about a country which treats its own people the way it does. So perhaps the protestors will move on to their governments soon.
clarry . It seems that you lack even the fundimental thought process to see the issues. Remember Tiananmen Square? The chinese people attempted to make the Regine understand their opinions and what happened? Hundreds killed and mutilated. many more arrested and god knows how many executed. Remember, If they are capable of jailing a Human Rights Lawyer for 3 years just for expressing his opinions, how do you suggest the ordinery people get their way. Certainly not by voting.
27

Biker,

Ayr 09/04/2008 14:48:36
Well said Guga and a big "up" for cankers.
28

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 09/04/2008 15:19:02
28 Bitter Socialist AKA Biker

Nice try by trying to say all we buy is Wranglers, or maybe you can't read. Keep buying your made in China products then while you complain then.
29

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/04/2008 15:40:04
Well sports fan we are back again with our live coverage of the 2008 Olympic Torch Dousing competition.

It is a Nippy 9 Degrees Celsius in beautiful San Francisco, we are expecting sunny skies so all you members of Nudists for Tibet please remember to be liberal with the sun block.

We would like to welcome our special guest commentators from behind the bamboo curtain. From the Disinformation Division of the Ministry of Barbarian Affairs please welcome Skidmark56, MushiMushi and Small Dong.

We are hoping to get live posts from the Scotsman’s Websites very own Galactic Cannibal how has bravely decided to leave his parents basement in Murrieta California and travel by skateboard to San Francisco to participate.

The obstacle course today will be a 6 mile route along San Francisco Bay from McCovey’s Cove to the Justin Herman Plaza.

The action kicks of at 1:00pm local time, 9:00pm in Scotland and 4:00am for all of you living under the communist boot in the PRC.
30

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/04/2008 15:47:43
Both teams were up early this morning preparing for the competition.

For the Chinese Secret Police Torch attendants, they were seen leaving at 6:00am from one of San Francisco’s famous Gay night clubs. They attracted considerable attention from onlookers when they changed out of their Village People costumes into the now familiar Blue and White shell suits.

They then had a leisurely walk to the Mission District Sex Reassignment Clinic for a nourishing breakfast out of the bin behind the clinic to replenish their Qi Dong. Let’s hope that it works and that they can manage the six miles without the use of public transit.

Rose Pak, San Francisco’s own Red Guard was seen early this morning in Chinatown rounding up all the illegal migrants for the counter demonstration. Her tactic of threatening their families back in the PRC is proving very effective.

For the Demonstrators various groups have been rallying at different points along the gauntlet.

Notable celebrities here for the demonstration include Richard Gere and Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

Today’s action will have 79 torchbearers not 80 as originally planned as one 14 year old girl was forced to drop out by her parents because they did not want her chased by naked people.
31

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/04/2008 15:55:16
This newest of Olympic sports is proving increasingly popular and today’s participants are expected in even greater numbers than seen in Paris. It seems everyone wants a little bit of Olympic glory.

The IOC is meeting on Thursday in Beijing to discuss the newest Olympic Sport of Torch Dousing and whether the other International legs should be cancelled. Let’s hope that they see good sense and allow this increasingly popular competition to continue.

Current standings have Paris in First Place followed by London whose hopes of a Silver or Bronze medal rest on what San Francisco can accomplish today.

For all of you who missed the earlier rounds London demonstrators were able to touch the torch and at on point forced the defenders to use a bus while Paris was able to achieve 5 Extinguishments and an Abandonment of the final leg.

We will have to see if San Francisco can overcome the high standards set by the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.
32

Henry II,

North Shore 09/04/2008 16:18:28
Nancy

Unfortunately there are not enough good people that are willing to boycott products made in China, however as you can see there are plenty of those willing to take the easy route and complain on these threads and in public but when no one is looking they go to the store and look at just the price.
33

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09/04/2008 16:19:51
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 16:23:56
32...Heh heh heh....better have their bus passes at the ready just in case the dong dont cut it....heh heh heh..
35

Dáithí,

San Jose 09/04/2008 16:25:45
# 28 - Biker

>"perhaps China should reflect on the worldwide condemnation of its current regime."

So, China will be inspired to change its government because protesters assault torch-bearing international athletes?

Is this the best that a non-confrontational, appeasement favoring, slack-jawed Gaiaist 'western' civilization can do?

Shi!e themselves?

And then prance back to the university union latte shop and beat on their chests proudly because they 'made a statement'?
36

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09/04/2008 16:27:21
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/04/2008 16:40:32
San Francisco Police are planning to use the 3 deep zone defense, police on foot around the torchbearers, surrounded by still more police on bicycles and then even more police on motorcycles who are to keep the path clear. Coast Guard boats will be in the water, perhaps so that the torch can be put aboard to skirt any particularly large groups of protestors at some point along the route.

It is interesting to see the police revert to the traditional bicycles after the Gen-X defense of the Paris Police on rollerblades proved so ineffective. Anyone who has played Ice Hockey will know that trying to wrestle with someone when you’re wearing skates is very difficult and your punches have no power because you can’t plant your feet.

The demonstrators are planning to neutralize the Coast Units by deploying the Greenpeace Anti Whaling Seadoo Stunt Team. They are here today to protest China’s penchant for Shark Fins as well as their policy of turning the planets Endangered Species into Traditional Chinese Medicines.

The Protesters are expected to mass at the weak points of the relay where the flame is passed from one Torchbearer to the other. This proved a very effective strategy in Paris and we will have to see if the police counter with reinforcements at the transfer points.
38

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 09/04/2008 16:43:24
38 Foo,ejinbara

What part of my comment in #17 does your wee brain not understand about "It was a bad decision to hold the Olympics in China" and I boycott products made in China?

I guess you are one of those looney left wingers that thinks there is only one way to change a country and that is by tackling someone carring a torch. I like you am not a lemming.
39

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 16:47:06
Sometimes people have to make a lot of noise to be heard....take the example of the suffragettes...violent yes but what do you expect when you disempower people and deny them basic rights?

Thanks to the internet the word can spread like wildfire now...people know where and when to protest..and they want to add their voice to those that are crying 'Injustice!'...there will always be those who go just to cause trouble, people who are not interested in the issue...we get a lot of that in France...brings out the riot police...tear gas and batons...unfortunately it looks bad for genuine protesters...however...they still have the right to protest...

Do not expect a polite line of silent banner waving people...get real...China's reputation preceeds it wherever it goes now....it has only the CCP to blame...
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09/04/2008 16:55:06
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Landman,

09/04/2008 16:55:28
35 Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen

Troll, stop talking about eating dog stuff
43

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/04/2008 17:26:27
Beijing's Olympic organising committee insisted the group of 20 to 30 flame attendants from Beijing were there merely to help with practicalities such as relighting the torch if necessary, and were trained in "torch etiquette" only.

But the Shanghai-based Labour Daily newspaper, quoting Zhao Si, head of the elite unit, said its members were picked in 2007 from the People's Armed Police, China's 660,000-strong paramilitary force that mostly deals with internal security. Thousands of PAP forces are still deployed throughout Tibet and Tibetan regions of western China since monk-led protests on March 10 degenerated into a violent riot in Lhasa on March 14.

Pictures of the guards at a swearing-in ceremony, after undergoing special physical, etiquette and language training at the PAP training academy in Beijing, show their official name as "The Protection Team for the Holy Flame of the 29th Olympic Games".

44

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/04/2008 18:06:31
For those of you are who are new to the fast growing sport of Olympic Torch Dousing here are rules as laid down by the Sports Governing Body in Geneva. -the Torch Internasional Bourgeoisie Enfant Terrible more commonly know by their acronym T.I.B.E.T.

1. Protesters are not allowed to use any weapons
2. Defending forces are not allowed to shoot unarmed protesters (except in China)
3. The Torch must be kept alight at all time. Failure to keep it alight results in points for the protesters.
4. Protesters can not use artificial means such as burning barricades to impede the path of the Torch.
5. The sport is open to all who want to participate regardless of Race, Creed, Color, Religion, Gender, Sexual Orientation, Mental Health or Personal Axe to Grind.

Teams are scored in a number of categories including
Total Numbers of Protesters
Blocking Traffic
Breaking Windows
Forcing the police to use Tear Gas
Blows received from Police Batons
Extinguishing the Torch
Forcing Abandonment
Roughing up Torch Attendants
Seizing the Torch
Making Torchbearers Cry
And General Nuisance, like style points in figure skating.

If the Protesters manage to wrest the Torch from the bearer and carry it to the top of Mount Everest before the Chinese Team then regardless of the points scored by other teams theyl will automatically be awarded the gold medal.
45

Rosie's Opinion,

USA 09/04/2008 18:12:54
#43. Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen

Why do you keep trolling these threads with offensive off topic cooments and links?
46

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/04/2008 19:18:50
Due to the unprecedented popularity of Olympic Torch Dousing the Chinese Government is considering rerouting the International legs if the IOC withdraws its support as expected on Thursday.

The New Route would be Caracas Venezuela, Harare Zimbabwe, Khartoum Sudan, Tehran Iran, Rangoon Burma and Pyongyang North Korea.

Chinese sources said “The new locations were chosen for sharing China’s commitment to peace and harmony”.
47

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/04/2008 19:33:14
17 - an American Tory.

Sic semper tyrannis. Vive Tibet Libre !
48

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 19:35:08
48...Heh heh heh...that cracked me up.....keep it up mate...

47...Why was it an offensive link?....that BBC report was about a restaurant in Beijing where Chinese men will be flocking during the olympics to feast on the delicacies on offer...a veritable banquet...it is relevant and of public interest...tch tch..what is your problem?...

Yet another tedious troll I.D...
49

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/04/2008 19:35:10
22 - "Russia did" ? Really ? Russia simply swapped one set of corrupt mafiosi for another.
50

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/04/2008 19:45:48
40 Nancy, most social change for the benefit of common humanity has come from what you call the 'left'. In my country it had to be wrested from the powers-that-be, by struggle and sacrifice.
Compare this to the likes of Dick Nixon sucking up to the deranged mass-murderer Mao Zedong. And of course we'll soon have the spectacle of your estemmed current Prez, George W. Bush, a man who harps on about 'freedom', sitting alongside the nest of vipers who control the most populous country in the world.
51

Patience,

Wales 09/04/2008 20:24:59
50-Those comments were just awful,I cannot believe that any rational human being would eat 'dog whang' as you so politely put it,I think you are just Horrible indeed!
52

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Dáithí,

San Jose 09/04/2008 22:01:01
#53 - Patience

>"I cannot believe that any rational human being would eat..."

Patience, if you could get stoned from smoking the same things Leftists and Anarchists would be doing it by the millions.
54

Scottish Expatriot,

Beijing 09/04/2008 22:14:08
More stinking lies from the state controlled BBC. These stories of Chinese Communist Officials eating animal penis have been falsified to ridicule the noble leaders in China. This is why I have left the hovel that is Scotland to live in freedom. Here I can walk down the street without fear of murder or someone coming to rob me. You stupid Scots have no idea how to live, you believe the propaganda from your 'free' hah! media and follow it like sheep. I am sure that most of you have not been to China. Mind your own business and let the Chinese deal with their own problems. They do not stick their nose in British problems.
55

Horrible Cankers Le Cyber Shebeen,,

09/04/2008 22:22:01
#54 Troll
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 22:27:30
Clarry...I am sorry that your cop mummy or daddy transferred their anger or frustration onto you...but please do not project that onto me...I am sure you have already spoken to someone about it...and if not you should...as I said before the troll removed my post...it is a few years since I left and changed occupations..for the better...past tense dear...Your frequent posts would suggest that you are indeed paranoid, have a chip on your shoulder about something...you read racism into AJ's post when there was none there...he made no mention of Chinese people not being from Britain...which you mistakenly pounced upon....I feel you are defending yourself in your many 'racist' accusing posts...why is that?....did no one defend you when you were a child?...were you on your own...isolated perhaps?....ah yes, treatment...introspection is cheaper and can be very helpful in shedding light on why our emotions get the better of us.....if your relatives have passed on their dysfunctional emotions to you then deal with it....don't just point the big finger at everyone and anyone who was one because you are angry at someone else ....after all...they are not all corrupt either.....
57

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 22:36:17
61...'Forced abortions'...women who are almost full term..'credit where credit is due!!...that leaves me incredulous....orphanages stuffed with baby girls that no one wants..apart from citizens of the USA who adopt thousands every year...'Forced sterilisation'..women who are maimed in the process...

How disappointing for the poor woman who gives birth to a baby girl....when they need a boy to carry on the family tradition...this is why baby girls are dumped...so the parents can try again and hope that a boy is born....

Their 'methods' of containing their population are barbaric in the extreme...accidents do happen..makes you wonder how many baby girls just 'vanish' Ironic eh...all those baby girls that end up in Capitalist America...at least they will not be forced to have an abortion when they are adults....

If the CCP cannot control its local government it should not be implementing policies that result in the murder of unborn, and born, babies.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 09/04/2008 22:39:23
Well, I have been watching the Torch go thru San Francisco. It's 2:45 PST and we have all of the local channels following the event live.

I'm torn.

1. I despise the Chinese Communist government.
2. I also despise San Francisco's professional protesters and their self-inflated media.

The route has been changed entirely! There are NO protesters, the police have completely fooled both the protesters and the media.

TV 'personalities' are livid - they have organized live coverage for the entire day and nobody sees ANYTHING! They have NO IDEA where the torch is! I thought that one broadcaster on KTVU - 2 was going to cry, she was so frustrated that she'd have no story - don't people know the damage that this is doing to her budding broadcasting career!

Protesters are running up and down the wrong streets, most have 'just gone home and called it a day'. No heading back to their dorms and latte shops proclaiming how 'they stood up to China' (they won't say 'communists', since so are most of the students) for human rights.

Man, I LOVE California!
59

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 22:57:06
Take my advice dear, and I do not think that enforced abortions are a laughing matter....
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Mashimaro,

China 09/04/2008 23:05:24
#58 Welcome to sanity, where the criminals are taken out of society and normal folks are free to get on with their lives without living in fear of rape, muggings and robbery.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:06:54
AJ is a wind up merchant...he likes to draw people like you out of the woodwork...amuses him no end...I detest the term 'Chinkis'...but I was not referring to that post only....but a lot of your previous posts on previous topics.....you are a knee jerk reactor which does not do your crusade any good...your gut reaction makes you jump in...you need to clarify what you actually mean...that way AJ could have responded appropriately....
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Mashimaro,

China 09/04/2008 23:07:21
Western media coverage on the torch relay:

Tibet, tibet, Tibet, Tibet, Burma, Sudan, Tibet, Burma, Tibet, Tibet oh yes there are loads of proChina supporters out here in force but meanwhile Tibet Burma Sudan Tibet Tibet

HOW ABOUT FREEING MONGOLIA - GO ON, I DARES YA
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:08:16
Morning Mushymarrow...whats for brekkies this fine morning?..."Crunchy 'nuts'" again?
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Mashimaro,

China 09/04/2008 23:09:19
Clarry - try not to feed the troll, it's just a management plant to boost postings and if you feed it it will only come back.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:12:00
Ah Clarry...seem to have struck a nerve...as far as the anger goes....I am sure you know what I am talking about...its not good for the physical health as it will eventually take its toll on your body...perhaps it has already...but as I said, you do not have to be perpetually trapped in childish anger...you can take control of your life now and can do your own 'parenting'....
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:17:18
Clarry...you are no stranger to hurling abuse yourself..and I have to tell you, you started it..I did not engage with you in communication but you decided to begin with the insults...try and be logical..rational even...that is challenging behaviour is it not?...surely you are aware of even that?...if not then you seriously do have an anger management issue....I have at no stage supported the actions of the Chinese Communist Party and if it appears that I have, then I can assure you it is because I have been trolled....

You made no comment on the enforced abortions in China...why is that Clarry?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:27:22
Mmmmmmh Clarry, I dont think you are laughing, I think you are very angry...near to hysteria even....definitly touched a nerve with you..."crusade" "cause"...call it what you will but something tells me you are no survivor...but a perpetual victim....which suits some people...but not me....faire des beaux reves....
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:30:23
Hardly a victory for the CCP is it?....Olympic Torch being chundered down empty streets....no spectators cheering it on.....rather embarrassing I would say....at least the protesters made their huge presence known....
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:34:26
The chinese are lovely people Clarry...it is their government that is a monster...and yes you did begin by insulting me.....part of anger managment is accepting when you are in denial....
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 09/04/2008 23:36:41
83 Foo,ejinbara

I don't know how I will get by knowing a mental giant like you does like me and has resorted to calling me names like "piece of trash", or dear, I think I'll just curl up in the fetal position and cry.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:41:32
88..Clarry..two separate posts from you stating "You sound paranoid, get treatment"....if you cannot admit that this is challenging behaviour then I am willing to bet that your attitude has caused you problems on more than one occasion in your life eh?...even I would hold my hands up to it and admit that I was first in with the insults...I mean c'mon this is not the playground!
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

09/04/2008 23:53:06
Ah well....advice is free...you dont have to take it...but as I say...I think your reactions are rather telling and hopefully you will ponder this before you doze off...you can lie to other people Clarry...but if you lie to yourself, deep down you will only cause more 'unease'....you know what I am talking about!

Sweet dreams..
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Ballindarroch,

Highlands 09/04/2008 23:54:39
90 Nancy,

"Foo,ejinbara"" at #83 Won't admit its mistake. Its original comment was directed at your comment at #30 and had to see #17. We all know your politics against China, Foo,ejinbara" needs a reality check.
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Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 00:06:57
Looks like the rent-a-mob in San Francisco will be disappointed.

HC good morning to you too. I will be having Mongolian beef steak for breakfast.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 00:14:11
...and that is Chinese for what Mushypeas?...poochwhang?...I really dont understand the need for it...I mean fair enough every country has its stereotypes....the Scots are mean, the Irish thick...and the Chinese..but well...do you really have to eat another animals boabby to compensate?
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Fitzpark,

Durham 10/04/2008 00:17:30
I notice the Chinese government posts were less in volume and vehemence yesterday. It looks as though our protests are having an effect. Van Ness Avenue, where the torch got sequestered is the least interesting piece of architecture in San Francisco, a bit like that big ugly square in the middle of Bejing, so even the City of San Francisco got into the act.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 02:04:35
The San Francisco leg of the Olympic torch relay descended into farce after the authorities cut the route in half, cancelled the official closing ceremony and hustled the torch away from waiting protesters and supporters of the Beijing Games.

The Flame of Shame appeared briefly on the Podium at McCovey Cove, as the first flame bearer left the podium near downtown and, surrounded by security, dashed into a massive pier-side building less than 300 feet away, leaving stunned onlookers shaking their heads.

After the torch disappeared from view at the opening ceremony, police boats and jet skis hinted it might be headed up the waterfront by boat. But an hour after the scheduled start, the torch appeared on a major, less scenic north-south street more than two miles (three km) away. After a Shortened run of 3 miles through deserted streets the Torch was secretly taken to the Airport.

A planned closing ceremony at Justin Herman Plaza was also scrapped.

The Flame of Shame has now become such a pariah that its treatment bears a closer resemblance to someone in the witness protection program rather than a focus of celebration.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 02:15:07
#95 MushiMushi

Yes the Rent a Mob of China supporters certainly looked disappointed. The Chinese Mafia organization The Six Families Corporation had printed 10,000 t-shirts for the Chinese American supporters they had bused in. They will now have to send them back to Labour Camp in China that produced them.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 02:33:22
Well the scores are finally in from the Judges, this one was almost as difficult to score as a Zimbabwe election, but after much debate the judges have decided that since the Flame of Shame did not cover a single meter of the planned route and the closing ceremony was cancelled it counts as a complete abandonment.

Unfortunately the highly unsportsman like decision of the authorities to not even attempt to run the Gauntlet has deprived the San Francisco protesters any further opportunities to score points.

The Standings are now Paris in first place, San Francisco in second place and London in third place.

I now all three cities protester have mixed emotion about the decision expected later today by the IOC as to whether to call off further legs of the Torch of Shame. I now many would like it ended now to ensure their medal rankings but they are torn by the desire to see their brother and sister protesters have their chance at Olympic Torch Dousing glory.
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Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 03:11:30
#99 Kampoochi: If China were doing that do you think we would have sent so few? We've got peasants by the train load that would have loved to have a free holiday. Actually if I ran the country, it's what I would have done.

what a pity they didn't run the Gauntlet. I'm sure India and Tibet will be entertaining enough though, now that they know what to expect.
It will be really sad if they decide to turn to violence because of the actions of a few barbarians. Not for anyone else except the poor baskets who die. *sigh* more of the US "You die, we'll cry" policy I'm afraid.
I wonder if they will allow the rent-a-mob in there too.
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Mashimaro,

China 10/04/2008 04:57:36
My apologies Kampoochi... it seems you were right after all. Oh dear, is there no end to the loss of face?
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 10:18:26
103...Clarry..I knew that you were female and have no interest in your sexuality...I can assure you of that...my reference to your 'crusades' was because of your tendancy to jump the gun and accuse people of racism...that is all...what does a 'golf development' have to do with that???...that, Clarry, is paranoia...

"Bombs" at the Olympics in London?...yes that would be tragic...as it would anywhere...but what does that have to do with people protesting against the Human Rights Abuses of China?...people who are protesting about the oppression and suppression of minorities...why do you have a problem with that?

Did you go to the G8 Clarry?...Tommy Sheridan did..
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/04/2008 12:22:29
Clarry....Good on the Dalai Lama...who is not my 'pal'...unlike your sycophantic brown nosing of Tommy Sheridan....he is a gentle soul who disapproves of violence...unfortunately his suppressed people are living in conditions that breed anger and frustration....

You can accuse me all you like...because you use the race card at any given opportunity...it is a bone of contention with you...but do not give up your day job because you cannot argue your case and are a mere 'knee jerk reactionnary'....

This could explain your lack of condemnation for the brutal Chinese regime and its barbaric treatment of minority people within China...and you yourself profess to care about equality?...your silence is damning and speaks volumes....

I object to the many animals that are slaughtered by the Chinese to make voodoo medecines and to have their penis eaten because it will 'improve' their virility and sexual stamina....tigers..slaughtered for this purpose....white rhino...bears for their bile...

Accuse all you like...as I said...huge chip on your shoulder and race card...in case you hadnt noticed...'Tommy' Sheridan is married....

I have not read one comment posted by you re this subject expressing sympathy for the Tibetans or any of the Chinese people who are crushed by their Government..

Prostitutes...executed...

Falun Gong...executed..(organs harvested)..a religious minority Clarrie..

Women...forced into aborting their babies..

Tibetan women....forced to be sterilised...

Writers..dissidents and artists...jailed or executed for speaking out re their oppression..

But your sympathies lie elsewhere Clarry....
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Polly Ann,

10/04/2008 12:22:46
105 Horrible Cankers

You are not fooling anyone, you are a foul mouthed bull dyke and are very interested in her sexuality.
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10/04/2008 12:59:41
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Still going on about dog whangers, you are really obsessed with them. I guess when the court ordered you to become a vagetarian and swore off meat you really developed whanger envy.
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Biker,

Ayr 10/04/2008 14:59:39
Amazing.... The further down this thred you go the bigger the insults get, and for no good reason. Just bulying.
Nancy. I may indeed have centre left thinking, so what. I'm prepared to bet that if you look around your house there are many many objects produced in China. This is not a condemnation, merely an observation.
Clarry. Little clue and even less informed than ever.
With regards to the British (London) Olympics, yes indeed I dont suppose I will even switch them on the telly. As for your comment about forced abortions. You need to grow up.
Kampunghighlander. Well done mate. I hav'nt laught so much in ages.
Diathi. Did I actually sugest that the Chinese government would fold as a result of the protests? No I did'nt, but what I am suggesting is that this must give them food for thought. As for being slack jawed. Dont be stupid. China is losing face by the day and this is bound to have repacusions internaly. At least I(and you) can sound off about the situation without the risk of being carted off, although having read some of your posts perhaps that is closer than you think.
Mashimaro. Again you dissapoint me and many others who felt that you would enter into dialogue. But t seems that your little break during the week has caused you to rethink. Or perhaps it was a visit to the reprogramming factory eh?
Polly Anne. perhaps if you took your mind off cankers sexuality and read some of her posts you might feel more inclined to post readable comments.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/04/2008 16:32:07
I think clarrys failure to take a critical view of China is something common to a lot of people who identify with the extreme left politicaly.

They still have this vague attachment to China as some sort of socialist workers paradise. They fail to realize that China is a cutthroat capitalist economy run by a petty dictatorship whose main element of control is appealing to a very narrow nationalism.

They really have much more in common with Hitler than Mao or Stalin. Though all of them are more or less equal in measure of evil. The hard left still somehow finds "The Great Helmsman" and "Uncle Joe" more appealing.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 10/04/2008 16:56:25
112 Biker,Ayr

Refresh my memory where you & I have discussed this on this thread? I still hold my gorund that I avoid buying products made in China, I do not know why that bothers you.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 10/04/2008 16:58:48
112 Biker,Ayr

I guess it will also upset you to know I pay extra to ensure illegal aliens do not perform work on my home.