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Published Date: 19 March 2009
A SENIOR British Airways pilot is suing the airline for racism after he was called "a Jock" and told to go back to his welfare state paid for by the English.
Douglas Maughan, from Dunblane, also claims there is a "canteen culture" of racism in which derogatory racist terms are routinely used.

Mr Maughan, 54, who has 29 years' flying experience, 15 with BA, says he received a letter and e-mails from
a pilot he had never met, after he had a letter published in the staff magazine, BA News in 2005, which defended Labour's economic record.

He said one of the letters read: "Come separation will all Jocks F.off to that welfare state (paid for by English middle classes)??? Please say yes."

Mr Maughan said he was bringing the claim so that ethnic minority staff in the company felt they were being supported. He said he had heard racist terms used routinely.

He said: "I was shocked because I thought this sort of language had stopped – I had not heard it for years."

Mr Maughan said it was particularly upsetting when a colleague said he did not like Indian women because he thought "they are dirty".

He said: "He did not know my wife is Asian. But there is a canteen culture of racism at BA and, as a captain, I have decided to take a stand against it. Otherwise, how can you expect ethnic minority staff in lower levels of the company to do the same if they feel they are being racially abused?"

He lodged his first complaint after hearing a senior pilot use the word "coon" during a training session on a flight simulator.

He also complained that during a flight to Los Angeles, when there was a large party of Saudis on board, the pilot began "an extraordinary rant" in the cockpit about "ragheads".

Mr Maughan, who captains BA aircraft to all parts of the world, decided to go public with his complaints after struggling to persuade BA's management to take racism among its senior staff seriously.

But an employment tribunal in Watford threw out three of his grievances on a technicality because he had failed to put them in writing to BA and ordered him to pay £4,400 towards the company's legal costs.

The claim that he was victimised racially will be heard at a full tribunal on 11 June.

Mr Maughan said a fellow officer on another flight complained there were too many Asians in Britain.

"The captain turned to me and said, 'I don't suppose there are many of them up your way'. I replied, 'Well, there's my wife'. After that, they had the decency to fall silent."

Mr Maughan said he started receiving personal abuse after he defended Labour's economic record in a letter to BA News. He complained about the abusive e-mails sent to him by a fellow pilot, who is English.

Mr Maughan said: "This one individual hates the Labour Party, hates Gordon Brown and hates the Scots."

Mr Maughan said: "What is common among white flying crew in BA is the use of mildly derogatory, sometimes jokey language about other races. Because it's so common, it's hard to tackle – it's the norm and rarely even noticed."

BA said it would "vigorously defend" the remaining part of his claim. A spokesman said: "Any reports made by staff about racist behaviour are taken extremely seriously and investigated as a matter of priority."





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  • Last Updated: 18 March 2009 10:15 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: British Airways
 
1

Incandescent,

18/03/2009 23:53:30
Mr Maughan, presumably of "the clan Maughan" needs to grow up and grow some stones.

I fear for the stability of this country. Even the atrocities of WWII didn't bring about vague legislation on "hate crimes" the natural extension of which is "thought crimes".
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

19/03/2009 00:26:39
Why is BA defending this? If they have evidence that it's happened, they would be better accepting the fact and doing something effective about it, that denying it and pretending it doesn't happen. They can't be worried about their reputation because they don't have one.
3

Jock MacSprog,

19/03/2009 00:28:29
Is this what we have become as a people... a bunch of thin skinned wimps with chips on our shoulders desperately looking for any perceived slight no matter how small or insignficant ???? Pathetic. Would hope that someone on the sharp end of an aircraft in a positiion of responsibility would have more sense and stones than this.
4

Jock MacSprog,

19/03/2009 00:41:40
As usual lazy casual journalism by the Scotsbloid. A quick google search reveals that this story is a year old, first published by the Independant and the real story is that this individual is well know in the Pilot community as someone with political aspirations who was ready to retire any way. His case was thrown out by the tribunal. Cmon Scotsman, do a little research and tell the whole story not just these tabloidesque "snap shot" articles:

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A British Airways pilot who blew the whistle on what he called a "canteen culture of racism" among fellow pilots is facing a £4,400 legal bill after losing a battle with the airline at an employment tribunal. Captain Doug Maughan claims he has been continuously victimised by BA since he spoke to The Independent about the casual racism of older pilots working for the company that calls itself "the world's favourite airline".

Captain Maughan, whose wife is Asian, objected to hearing the words "(88n" and "r8gheads" used in conversation in the cockpit. He had complained to BA's management but, because they did nothing about his concerns, he turned to The Independent. He told the newspaper that older BA pilots casually used racist language in private. His allegations were particularly embarrassing for an airline that operates on every continent.

Captain Maughan, who has 29 years' flying experience, suggested that, because 99 per cent of BA pilots are white and most spend their whole working lives with the company, there was an attitude among older pilots in particular that racist remarks were acceptable.

5

jerrymanders,

19/03/2009 00:41:56
#1
#3

These two cannot be serious? Must be a wind up, surely?
6

Jock MacSprog,

19/03/2009 00:43:20
2 and 5 you cannot be serious ? Must be a wind up surely ?
7

jerrymanders,

19/03/2009 00:55:20
#6

Are you a BNP parrot?
8

Incandescent,

19/03/2009 01:18:51
5 7 Jerymanders

Your idyll will never exist. If everyone on earth was identical, they would manage to find small differences to exploit against each other. The banning of freedom of speech in the UK serves no ther purpose than to nurture pent-up grievances that could otherwise be dealt with openly. Congratulations! You now live in an Orwellian society. I hope you're happy with that.
9

Incandescent,

19/03/2009 01:21:00
3

"Is this what we have become as a people... a bunch of thin skinned wimps with chips on our shoulders desperately looking for any perceived slight no matter how small or insignficant "

No. it's what folk like Jerrymanders have become.
10

redcliffe62,

19/03/2009 01:47:11
i have flown in a cockpit many times. there is the same banter that one gets in the pub.
people say what they think, and if it is genuinely offensive then someone can comment, but a good chat breaks the tedium and monotony of flying.
i am well aware that airport cleaning staff at heathrow would much prefer to clean out a swissair plane than one from air india, or even worse one from those central african countries, a plane from sudan was one i heard mentioned that was particularly grotesque. whether that is a racist comment you tell me.
the swiss are cleaner and take their rubbish with them, or put them in bins. feminine hygiene products should be carefully and discreetly put in bins not left on floors. sorry mr pilot mate but that is the way it is!
11

Incandescent,

19/03/2009 02:18:48
10 recliffe

Exactly! Much as folk like Jerrymanders would like us to believe, those of us who have actually travelled and experience the differences and (gasp!) "reverse" racism are realists. These people make an absolute fool of the UK and encourage the tide of "asylum seekers". I was shocked to actually be asked some years ago (in SE Asia) to clarify specific aspects of the UK benefits system printed in a foreign language book.
12

Incandescent,

19/03/2009 02:22:05
10 If this goes on much longer people will start to "denounce" their family and neighbours if they overhear them making "racist" comments.

Wi*lly Brandt for Prime Minister!
13

Incandescent,

19/03/2009 02:23:40
A prime example - I had to insert that star to get past the censor. Can I say male genitalia?
14

Incandescent,

19/03/2009 02:24:53
yes, but I can't say P***s.

Not being able to say Wil*y is strange.
15

Anne,

Eaglesham 19/03/2009 04:07:08
This will be the same Doug Maughan (Labour candidate(failed)), who tirelessly bombards the letters page of The herald with party propaganda.
16

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19/03/2009 05:29:50
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 19/03/2009 06:51:04
Re #16 : "It is NOT racism when an Englishman calls you a "jock" it is NOT racism if an Englishman calls you a "f@$ing Scottish b@rstrd"

I lived in England for a number of years. I found that such attitudes, although not ubiquitous, were commonplace and were freely expressed.

Whether you call it "racism" is a matter of semantics. Either way, it clearly shows that the "United" Kingdom is nothing of the kind.
18

donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 19/03/2009 06:51:53
Gordon Broon is a British Nationalist.
19

donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 19/03/2009 06:52:55
Broon has robbed Scotland blind.
20

Graeme,

Guangzhou 19/03/2009 07:14:33
Lets try to put this in a box shall we. I have lived abroad, surrounded by Englishmen for approximately 20 years now. The P155 taking continues. Quite endearing I must say. My friends obviously like me.

However our pilot mate is probably a little bit short, has big ears and supports a beard. Oh and he will not have thrown a party nor bought a drink for his BA colleagues over the past 15 years.

The world is full of them and they will always be picked on. But the problem is they can’t see it!
21

Conan the Librarian™,

19/03/2009 08:30:08
20
Gnome hater.
22

james 1st,

hamilton nz 19/03/2009 08:51:15
im scots and i am not too keen on the labour party who continually deprive scotland and gordon brown is a disaster who appears to hats scotland
23

The Ayrshire Bard,

19/03/2009 08:54:30
I have long been fed up to the teeth with those who are quick to play the 'racist card'. I find it difficult to believe that an intelligent Scot is unable to rise above such silly comments. He should sit down and read the anti-English postings that appear in this paper every single day.
24

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 19/03/2009 09:02:28
23

Which anti-english comments? I think you confuse anti-westmidden rule comments with anti-english comments.

Two very different things.
25

Lianachan,

Highlands 19/03/2009 09:08:03
#16 I'm afraid you need to brush up on what the definition of the word "race" is. It can indeed be racist to call a Scotsman "Jock" (depending on context, and intent). The Ayrshire Bard (#23) is right about how we should be more thick skinned, and rise above them. But it's nonsense to pretend that anti-Scottish racism simply doesn't exist. Last week, in an office in Bristol, I was offered a cup of coffee. When I politely declined, I was then told (in a mock Scottish accent, with grossly exaggerrated rolling "r"s )- "you'd probably prefer some Irn-Bru!", followed by much hilarity. Didn't bother me, apart from being quite disappointed, but that's definately racism in progress.
26

Thrawn,

UK 19/03/2009 09:12:23
Another manifestation of the devolution dividend!

It is perceived in England that the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish enjoy benefits accorded by their assemblies or Parliament that English people don't get. So it's all down to envy and also due to a dislike of the number of Scots in high places in the Cabinet.

No, it is not racist for a member of one UK tribe to call another by an offensive name, whereas it would be racist to employ an offensive name to describe an Irish person.

Actually, it's not racist at all. The meaning of that word has been grossly misused; but it is highly offensive. Perhaps xenophobic would be more accurate.
27

jane shore,

londonstan & Morris dancing etc Englandshire 19/03/2009 09:38:48

Ha Mr Maughan so really you are just up there fighting for the "ethnic minority" who just might be racially abused. Please don't worry too much, there are organisations to plead their cases, well used in my experience.

Earlier this year an English girl punched in the face, after a racist anti-english remark, apparently an English man had an eye socket smashed in Edinburgh this week, & again an anti-English remark shouted.

Sorry Llanachan & Thrawn (25/26) if Scots cannot argue back to perceived grievances regarding who subsidies who within the U, & pathetic jokes about Irn Bru .....well diddums to the lot of you.
28

Suzi B,

19/03/2009 09:39:02
The English complain bitterly about the perceived benefits the Scots enjoy via their taxation system.
I would like to extend a hearty welcome to any English person who would like to come north and join us here in paradise! Somehow I don't think I need to rush to get the kettle on!
29

jane shore,

19/03/2009 09:41:23
re my post 27

Should read "within the UK" ...... apologies.
30

Lianachan,

Highlands 19/03/2009 09:50:37
#27 Jane

Given how old this story actually is, I suspect what we have here is The Scotsman up to it's old tricks again, ie trying to incite a Scottish/English racism bun fight. I'm not falling for it.

As for your points about the wee girl, etc.. I don't think you'd find anybody defending those actions, but if you think that kind of behaviour is typical then you are very mistaken. Just as mistaken, in fact, as you would be if you assume that no Scottish people in England are ever given the same treatment.

Oh, and you can shove your "diddums". As I said earlier, the comment didn't bother me.
31

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 19/03/2009 09:58:17
What a poor delicate little petal this pilot appears to be. I'd rather have a strong character - like the Hudson Hero - in charge of any plane that I'm flying in.
32

jane shore,

19/03/2009 10:00:21

Suzi B My parents did just that (well my Dad is half-Scottish) They moved to the Highlands, "White settlers/incomers" as they say up there. Do you not have any coffee coloured or black incomers. I've never heard either of those names.

Llanachan If the comment didn't bother you, why did you mention it. ?

But you are correct, the Scotsman does like to instigate an Anglo/Scots debate.
33

Lianachan,

Highlands 19/03/2009 10:12:56
#32 I mentioned it as it's a very recent, first hand example of some anti-Scottish racist behaviour. OK, so it wasn't malicious and was directed at somebody who took it in their stride, but it is an example of a racist comment.
34

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 19/03/2009 10:59:59
#33. Sorry to be pedantic but there is no such thing now as a "Scottish race". Even the SNP defines Scottish citizens as any person living here and wanting to make this their home.

You can only make rascist comments against races: eg. if you say anti black things or anti Jewish things you are a rascist as those people have no choice but to be born black or Jewish etc. But you cannot be called a rascist for insulting or offending Muslims or Christians; they are not born in that state - they merely choose the flavour of their superstition.

In the case of Scots, there is no Scottish race anymore so that also means that cracking jokes about Scots, or seeking to offend them, offends such a large multi-cultural and hugely diverse ethnic group that it might be classed as an attack on humanity in general but it certainly is not on just one race!
35

Lianachan,

Highlands 19/03/2009 11:10:23
#34 To raise the level of pedantry... you are describing an old use of the word "race", which is now generally discouraged. It's not to do with genetics at all. You can indeed be correctly described as a racist of insulting Muslims or Christians, if their religion was the basis of the insult. You can indeed be correctly described as racist if you insult a Scottish person, a French person, or anybody at all, if the insult is based on their nationality or characteristics thereof, regardless of their ancestry. The Oxford English Dictionary definition of "Race" includes: "3 a group of people sharing the same culture, language, etc.; an ethnic group. 4 a group of people or things with a common feature". It also says " Some people now feel that the word race should be avoided, because of its associations with the now discredited theories of 19th-century anthropologists and physiologists about supposed racial superiority."
36

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 19/03/2009 11:11:33
He can make as many accusations of "racism" if he likes but his real error is writing in support of Labour in the BA magazine! Especially in defence of their economic record. I'd have second thoughts about this guy flying the plane I'm in, especially since he seems to have wimped as soon as someone said something nasty about Scots. Needs to grow a pair.
37

Lianachan,

Highlands 19/03/2009 11:12:33
#34 Also, I'm curious why you seem to think that saying an anti-Jewish thing is racist, but an anti-Islam od Christian thing isn't. Judaism is a religion, is it not?
38

Dunfesterin,

19/03/2009 11:30:13
Are we subsidy junkies or are we not?

The English think we are.

What proof do they have?

You should read the Daily Mail comments about us yesterday, the English think we're all draining their bloody taxes.

Personally, if any English guy said to me that Scotland was a subsidy basket-case, he'd be sorry he opened his mouth. The pilot should have told those saps where to go.
39

gasman,

cheshire 19/03/2009 11:46:04
Having lived in both Scotland and England, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that anti-English feeling is much stronger in Scotland that anti-Scottish feeling in England. This very paper often has an anti-English slant on its stories. The sad fact is that many Scots are obsessed with denigrating the English wheras most English people just see Scotland as a neighbour and a nice place to go on holiday and don't have very strong views at all on "Scottishness".You dont have to spend very long in Scotland before you hear derogatory remarks against the English! You know its true!!
40

wayne bijlyeerheid,

19/03/2009 11:46:08
Irish & Asian people have sued successfully because of derogatory remarks to them.
English people in Scotland have gone to the Race Relations Tribunal and received money for alleged derogatory remarks made to them.
What is the problem with Scots refusing to be patronised or insulted by bubble heads?
Are the Scots not to have the same respect or right to personal dignity that the PC nationalities have?
Mind you it would destroy the careers of whole swathes of BBC/Guardian personnel who might have to do something creative rather than rehash their ancestral chauvinism.
41

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 19/03/2009 12:34:46
#37 Oh dear. Look up the Jewish race. It is a race. People can't help being born Jewish because it is classified as a race (even by the UN). Look up Muslims and Christians and find me a UN definition of a Muslim or Christian as a race.

It is tiring to have to explain to people the difference between chosen superstitions and race. Being a Mormon and believing in a load of golden plates being dumped in the leader's back garden by God doesn't make that someone a race either.
42

Lianachan,

Highlands 19/03/2009 12:53:38
#41 The Oxford English Dictionary is not a "pc dictionary", it is an internationally respected and scholary one. By all means, continue to define and use words as you see fit, but I'm afraid the term "race" is far broader in scope than you suppose.

#42 Yes, the Jews are indeed a race - that's what I was saying. They are people of differing ethnic origins who are united in culture and religion, and thus are classed as a race. So are Muslims. So are Christians. I'm not talking about how the UN chose to classify different relgious groups, I'm talking about what the terms actually mean. Also, surely people "can't help" being born anything!
43

Number 6,

Germany 19/03/2009 13:42:15
AWWWWWWWWWWWW. I never thought i'd see the day a Scot would take the bait of a petty English racist.

You laugh in the face of these people, you don't go running and crying to your superiors, even if you are a labour supporter.

How does that sit with the "One Nation" unionistas?

I would have thought,using unionista logic, that an Englishman could not possibly be racist towards a Scotsman.

Does Englandshire have a nationalist party, that is whipping up hate against all perceived outsiders.

Did the big bad englander throw a shoe at the poor wee labour man?.
44

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 19/03/2009 13:54:39
#44 I don't need to insult you, you seem capable of that yourself. Muslim faith is just that, a faith. Christian faith is just that, faith. Hinduism is just that, faith. Jews are born Jewish, Blacks are born black. White Caucasians are born white. You do not have a choice what ethnic racial group you are born into but you are always free to choose a religion/superstition. It is so boring educating people about the difference between race and religion.
45

Suzi B,

19/03/2009 13:57:27
Jane Shore #32. I'll leave it to you to ponder why the expression 'coffee coloured/black settler isn't heard up north but I think you will find that the expression is a deeply ironic one and nothing to do with skin tone really!

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19/03/2009 14:52:27
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stopp the climb,

Dunfermline 19/03/2009 14:54:28
Does anyone know the Scots equivalent of "Jock" that we use as an affectionate knickname for our English friends.
48

P Rayner.,

London. 19/03/2009 15:14:49
After 29 years the bloke is cheesed off being a pilot , a glorified bus driver , and sees the opportunity to sue for a couple of mil . He´ll get it too . What a load of nonesense .
49

redcliffe62,

19/03/2009 15:19:21
i am not anti english. i am happy for them to get to the semis in a soccer tournament. the only reason i could not handle them winning is it would go on for 40 years from to**ers in their biased commentary team about how they were wonderful. every world cup, even when they failed to qualify and had to have a couple of "jocks" on the commentary, as jimmy greaves used to say, the talk was more about what would england had done had they qualified.
we rarely see the 1970 final replayed, but they bring the 1966 one out as often as they can.
in 1974 the world cup was almost not worth watching south of carlisle as england failed to qualify, with the english supposedly cheering on the scots, yet scots were forced ad nauseum to listen to a tv stream direct from london with covwerage by englishman about about england instead of a better coverage on scotland. still happens in the rugby union coverage, the bbc as a station just cannot stop themselves. brian moore the rugby player is no match for his old football namesake who at least recognised that broadcasting britain wide mant bias had to be reduced.
england is anglo centric, and scotland tries to follow suit but with abig neighbour next door sometimes this approach of being mutually exclusive is not possible and we need to consider englands' opinion as well.
just not from sports commentators! end of rant.....!
50

P Rayner.,

London. 19/03/2009 15:21:19
St Scotland . I don´t think you are a small minded anti English people at all if my experiences in Scotland is anything to go by . The English don´t waste time with anti Scottish banter because , actually , the English rather like the Scots . Although you might not think so from the many ill educated comments on these pages the Union has been a wondrous creation thats given our tiny island a global influence far outweighing any other . And long may it continue .
51

Alba Abú,

19/03/2009 16:25:22
When people from one country have been ruled by another country for so long,its only natural that the ruling residents feel a type of contempt for those they rule. Thus the "Jock" syndrom.
Its time for Independence.
NOW!
52

Lianachan,

Highlands 19/03/2009 16:26:57
#53 Selective reporting. Your Cambridge dictionary ALSO says:

"a group of people who share the same language, history, characteristics, etc"

See http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=65069&dict=CALD

#46 You are still suffering from a basic misuderstanding of what the word "race" actually means.
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19/03/2009 16:37:02
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Tartan Viking,

19/03/2009 16:38:03
#49. Nigel.
55

Mcsnagpile,

19/03/2009 17:50:59
Cockpits should be banned on planes as it is purely sexist.

When people are racist to me I show good Christian fellowship by slapping a big Glasgow kiss on them.
56

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 19/03/2009 17:52:36
Airlines have their own peculiarities and dialect, yet perhaps Captain Maughan has a point to his complaint. And that some reconsideration would benefit international aviation.
57

Mcsnagpile,

19/03/2009 17:53:07
The last racist complaint I heard about was from a white man in Bradford.
58

Mcsnagpile,

19/03/2009 17:55:00
Don't call me a porridge gobbler you slimey limey
59

ExpatBackinScotland,

Carnoustie 19/03/2009 18:06:37
My wife (Mexican) is always telling me about people at her work moaning about "f*****g immigrants" this and that, but they always end "but not you, you are ok, you are here because of your husband".

Im afraid this kind of nonsense is endemic in the UK.

Just to balance this out, I to have been an immigrant in Mexico and never had this kind of thing, nor was it a topic of conversation for people I knew.
60

jane shore,

londonstan 19/03/2009 18:13:04

Fair enough Suzy B (47) England has it's equivalent of White Incomer. In Dorset unless your family has lived there for at least 3 generations you are a "Blowin". I think it's Grockel in Cornwall.

All these dictionary definitions of racism by some posters, how about Webster's definition of "banter":- Derogatory remarks, usually meant as humour, between people who know each other well enough not to take offence.

I agree with posters who suggest Mr. Maughan is probably looking after his wallet.
61

ExpatBackinScotland,

Carnoustie 19/03/2009 18:14:58
"Does anyone know the Scots equivalent of "Jock" that we use as an affectionate knickname for our English friends"...

My best friend is English and I call him many things, which he deserves but not about being English, unless we are playing a game of Tennis/Golf/Ten Pin Bowling/Monopoly anything competitive, including scrabble,ludo,snap, who can hold their breath longer, whos got the ability to hold down more drinks from world nations....... in which case I call him a "Morris Dancing hanky holder"...simply because it makes the game more competitive...
62

Mcsnagpile,

19/03/2009 18:23:52
You call an Englishman with a sausage on his head---a head banger.
63

stopp the climb,

Dunfermline 19/03/2009 18:53:04
The problem is that the English consider the Taffys,Jocks,Paddys and Micks irrelevant and quaint and this is perpetuated by the London media who have special correspondents for the provinces. This is why they don't mind supporting the relevant teams if the National sorry English team has already beem eliminated.
64

Phil C,

19/03/2009 19:40:09
Anyone who tries to defend Labour deserves all the abuse thrown at them. Mind you they say we shouldn't mock the afflicted!
65

Observer,,

Glasgow 19/03/2009 20:34:54
GOOD GRIEF it's BIGGLES ! I thought I left him behind in the Herald. This man is the worst letter writer and apologist for Labour EVER. Deary me, it couldn't happen to a nicer man.

ps he was on the short leet for the Glasgow East by-election - oh what a laugh we would all have had if he had stood.

Oh dear I need to compose myself. Ahem, feel better now, I've almost stopped laughing.
66

Observer,,

Glasgow 19/03/2009 20:41:29
In case you think I am beingharsh Biggles (he was called that as he consistently mentioned his occupation) wrote a whole series of letters justifying the Iraq war, and the government's behaviour vis-a-vis ID cards and the security risks allegedly posed by the muslim community.

In view of that, it would take a heart of stone not to laugh.
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BorderLineScottish,

19/03/2009 20:47:59
As my Scottish neighbour said to me, one fine afternoon.

"The problem is, you see, YOU (English) quite like us, but WE (Scottish) don't like YOU!"

Enough said.

I hope when Independence comes in, Scotland literally breaks away and drifts off into the North Sea.
68

dougie1976,

21/03/2009 05:49:42
I too suffered from this when I worked in England, although it was much easier for me in London (there were hardly any English people in my London office). My sister has phoned home in tears because of things her (northern) English colleagues have said to her.

Anti-Scottish racism is rife in England. It's part of their culture. I consider "Jock" to be a racist term - based on the venomous way it's spat out by the English people who use it. In any case, no Scot should have to put up with pejorative and negative comments based on his ethnicity when he's just trying to do his job.
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dougie1976,

21/03/2009 06:14:06
BorderLineScottish: so one person makes an offensive comment to you (similar comments are aimed at scots all the time) and you respond by making a similarly offensive comment back to him (offending me in the process). You're just as bad as him.

Sometimes it's best to hold your tongue.

I suspect that now we have had this recent string of anti-Scottish assaults, comments and discrimination cases being reported in the mainstream media that more Scots will be willing to speak out. I wish I had.
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Nigey,

Glasgow 10/06/2009 15:38:33
As a Welsh-person, living in Scotland for the last 18 years, I've occasionally come across the 'Connect 3' method to quickly weigh-up your political/Cultural/Nationalistic affiliations:

Paraphrased. "You're (the collective 'Welsh') alright. And the Irish are alright too. But those English..."(then trails off, awaiting appropriate response)

To which I reply "my wife's English"

That said, I lived in North Wales for a couple of years and found that they actively hate South Walians more than any English 'settlers'...

A Labour Supporting BA Pilot? Surely an oxymoron?


 

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