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Published Date: 20 May 2009
THE Heineken Cup is heading for a sell-out with a late release of 1,000 tickets almost all going yesterday, but when Leicester and Leinster come together at Murrayfield on Saturday night it should be a match that Scottish players watch just as keenly.

Glasgow players arguably have their Magners League campaign to sort out as a priority next season, but Edinburgh have moved onto another level in their bid to compete with the best teams in the Celtic nations.

Their second-place finish can be attributed to positive and negative aspects of the league – critics might point to wins over weakened sides at the top of the league, for instance – but, in fact, those are games that have tripped Scots up, and other leading sides, in the past.

Second was a fine achievement and provides a serious building block in the current Edinburgh squad's development. Had they played to their full potential, and been more consistent, they could certainly have won the league, but the real litmus test for the pro game remains in the European arena.

Edinburgh dipped in again this year and dipped out all too quickly, players struggling to perform on the grandest of stages, when the intensity was at its greatest.

They claimed back-to-back wins over French opposition in mid-table Castres for the first time, and they were competitive and showed they had the ability to rattle Wasps and Leinster home and away, but did not do enough to get over the line.

When the show rolls on to their front garden on Saturday, the intensity, excitement, colour and the heady sense of achievement should provide deep inspiration. Both teams have been beaten at Murrayfield in the past 18 months, so Edinburgh have the talent to be in the knock-out mix, but they still lack the belief to get there.

They undoubtedly led the way in the Scottish professional game again this season, and while inspirational coach Andy Robinson claimed much of the plaudits, there were many reasons why the squad from the capital city are finally lifting Scottish rugby's head above the parapet.

A couple of years ahead of Glasgow's development, the Edinburgh squad are maturing into their mid-20s, with players in key positions, such as Mike Blair, Phil Godman, Ben Cairns, Allister Hogg and Ross Ford adding leadership skills to those leads offered by the more seasoned Matt Mustchin and Chris Paterson.

The most pressing concern for supporters is what happens to that development if Robinson moves from the Edinburgh hut inside Murrayfield to take up the Scotland reins.

Nic Cartwright, the Edinburgh chief executive, said: "We don't want Andy to leave and we hope, selfishly perhaps, that he will remain our coach for next season, but we have had to look at the possibility that he won't be in charge, and we're confident that we can move forward without him as head coach.

"He has a huge passion for the club and even as Scotland coach he would never be more than 100 yards away from us, so we envisage him still having an input. He would help us recruit our new coach, and provided we bring in a good replacement, then to also have Andy close by as Scotland coach there would be no reason why we could not continue to build on this season.

"Andy has been good for us, of course, but he is just one person – there is a great squad of players, excellent assistant coaches and fitness team, and a great backroom team that play a huge part in moving Edinburgh forward, and their drive won't change."

In terms of how Edinburgh move forward, the key is tightening everything up again – cutting out the errors, the concentration lapses and stage-fright on the big European stages. The real hope and expectation lies within the potential only glimpsed so far of players such as Godman, Ford, Cairns, Nick De Luca, and flankers Alan MacDonald, Ross Rennie and Roddy Grant to prove themselves as international class.

They need a harder, more destructive pack. The acquisition of Scott MacLeod had the potential to be shrewd if the Borderer does what Robinson expects and becomes a better player than he was when wearing the Scotland jersey last year, while the development of the front row, technically and physically, is crucial to make the team consistently competitive. They remain short of the funding of the leading English, French, Irish and Welsh clubs, and so have to punch above their weight again, but that is invariably the Scottish challenge.

The ambition is certainly there. Cartwright added: "People said this time last year that we'd have to go some to better that season, or that we'd have second-season syndrome, but we have done that and haven't suffered that, and the aspiration is to keep improving. Others will too, and the Magners League and Heineken Cup are incredibly tough, but the key will be to build on the systems and progress we have made rather than changing structures and starting again, and with or without Andy in the head coach role we can do that."

Crowds at Edinburgh and Glasgow have risen again this season – to averages of 4,309 and 3,144 respectively – and Edinburgh's season ticket sales are ahead of where they were at this time last season, which suggests the hard core of supporters believe there is more to come in 2009-10. Those floating supporters, many of whom helped create a record crowd of 12,534 for the Glasgow derby in December due to a free ticket from the autumn Tests, are still to be convinced.

Saturday's European finale will show the level that has to be reached, and while it is disappointing that, again, the only Scottish involvement will be as the match host, the 80 minutes should underline that there is nothing in this competition for Scottish teams to be afraid of.


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  • Last Updated: 19 May 2009 10:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heineken Cup
 
1

leemagee,

Perth 20/05/2009 04:34:29
Edinburgh need to beat the best teams, not just weakened versions of the best teams. We need to start buying good international player. Munster have Tapoki, Howlett etc, Leinster have Contepomi, Elsom etc. We need to invest in a big name player who can bring experience to our team and attract the crowds. Getting someone like Stirling Mortlock or Rokococo would be a great asset.
2

Cacciatore,

Stockholm 20/05/2009 06:30:25
Good point by 1 about "weakened versions of the best teams". The Welsh and Irish teams in the Magners league regularly field reserve-packed teams, reducing the standing of the league as a whole. Glasgow and Edinburgh, along with Dublin, are by far the largest population centres in the Magners league. Yet Edinburgh could only draw three crowds over 3,000 this year (Munster, Ulster and Glasgow) while Glasgow could only manage two (Munster and Edinburgh). Not really viable businesses and certainly not generating enough income to buy top players.
For my money, Elsom won the semi for Leinster almost single-handed. And remember there were 82,000 at that game, almost exactly the same number as the total gates for the 24 home games played by Edinburgh and Glasgow in all competitions!
3

La barrière de Senlis,

France 20/05/2009 07:58:53
Good points 1 and 2,
82,000 at Croke Park is the world record for a Rugby Club game(I think)in one of the "smallest" Rugby Nation.
4

Keyser Soze,

20/05/2009 08:05:17
need to move out of murrayfield, we say it all the time but its ridiculous playing there.

Move to a smaller ground which can be full or nearly full, it build atmosphere, its builds a stronger level of home support, more noise etc etc. i remember being at Myrseside watching Edinburgh play in the european cup and the atmosphere was electric. Need to go back to those day.
5

Robin Purdie,

20/05/2009 08:34:39
Good point Keyser.

I'd be a regular at a ground like Myreside or Meggetland, but wouldn't go back to Murrayfield to watch a club game if you gave me a free ticket.
6

Orbital,

20/05/2009 09:10:51
The atmosphere at Murrayfield is bad enough when its an international match..let alone a quarter full for a club game.
7

Robin Purdie,

20/05/2009 09:47:03
#6, try 1/22 full
8

jaad,

EDINBURGH 20/05/2009 10:10:08
i fully agree. i don't know why the SRU can't see the big picture - go to a smaller ground, create atmosphere - which in turn attracks bigger crouds. Then when cruods get too big (wishfull thinking) move to a bigger ground. It's not rocket science.

I'm sure it's far more expensive to open up and run Murrayfield for 1,000 people with securety staff etc than playing at Meggetland etc

However i know there will always be people that will come back and say - would Meggetland or Myreside be able to provide a TOP QUALITY pitch that can handle 3 matched a week (including school games)in the winter months??

I also belive there are issues with the schools useing them for other sports in summer term - last month of the season.

How about putting two temorary stands up on the back pitches at murrayfield?
9

Uninterested Spectator,

20/05/2009 10:45:09
A few very good points posted.

firstly, the sru is broke so they are unable to invest pay for overseas imports or infrastructure improvements at Myreside, Meggetland or the back pitches at Murryfield.

Secondly we have only two pro teams. This number needs to be increased by attracting private investment and allowing these people a free reign to run the pro teams. Population centres in the borders, perth, aberdeen, stirling etc have a lot of people playing rugby and have the local interest to support/ finance a pro team. Once we have more pro teams the scottish talent base will be thinly spread which is the time to sign imports who can improve the team and add an extra dimention which helps create the team dynamic.

Edinburgh do need a new ground but the only grounds in the capital with a capacity able to accomidate the support are Tynecastle and Easter Road. Tynecastle would need the pitch extended and Easter Road is a dump in Leith so neither are credible options.
10

bigdafty,

Dublin 20/05/2009 10:47:44
As I said on another thread the other day:

"Has there ever been any talk of making a 7000-10000 seat ground with temporary seating on the back pitches at Murrayfield - there's space there which could be used for the sake of losing one pitch and it would give Edinburgh an appropriately sized ground where atmosphere could be generated. Murrayfield is miserable for Edinburgh matches and the football grounds will never really work. For Scotland to come on, we need Glasgow and Edinburgh performing in both competitions. I was watching Leinster playing to 2000 crowds 10 years ago and it was only a string of 15 wins in the first Celtic League and Heineken Cup that year that really boosted the crowds. The culmination of that season was a draw against Edinburgh where about 11000 were crammed into 7500 capacity Donnybrook. Success breeds success and Scotland badly needs the pro-teams winning and being popular"

just to add - the current Leinster ground at the RDS is mostly temporary seating as is the Rec in Bath which even has a temporary terrace at one end.
11

bigdafty,

Dublin 20/05/2009 10:53:31
@leemagee - Leinster could only afford Elsom because of massive season ticket sales last year giving the club a massive wad of cash to go spend. As I said - success breeds success.

In 10 years Elsom has been the most incredible signing I've seen at Leinster - his work rate is amazing. But he's also come into a talented and motivated squad on a high. Buying one or two marquee names won't change things - it has to be a gradual process and the clear out of all foreigners at Edinburgh probably isn't the best place to start especially if Robinson becomes national coach.
12

Alistair Macintosh,

20/05/2009 11:28:27
To get bigger crowds you need atmosphere and excitement, to get atmosphere we need to move from Murrayfield to a smaller stadium. Edinburgh has several smaller stadiums where 5,000 would give a fantastic atmosphere.
13

PM157,

20/05/2009 12:36:20
"Move to a smaller ground which can be full or nearly full, it build atmosphere, its builds a stronger level of home support, more noise etc etc!"

So, support for your team is permitted now, is it?
14

frustratedstudent,

20/05/2009 13:59:51
#1 & #2 re. Big name players...

Is that really what we need? Edinburgh finished second in the magners league with a squad containing more homegrown talent than any other team in the league. I'd prefer we spent money and effor nurturing this talent (look at new signing Ross Samson, as well as Turnbull, Traynor, not forgetting Gray, Jackson and countless others at Glasgow) so they can be futre 'big name players' except wearing scotland shirts not Australian/Argentine. Since everyone is harping on about player development we should use the limited space we have in these pro-team squads for Scottish players, not a big name player costing a lot more who will play a couple of seasons at best.

In addition, these 'big name' player are often required on international duty. You saw how teams like Leinster and the Ospreys fared in particular when deprived of their stars during the autumn internationals and 6 nations. Edinburgh's strength in depth meant that even with Blair/Paterson etc on international duty we were able to get the wins, leaving us in the favourable position we are now.
15

Macd123,

20/05/2009 14:24:40
#9 Easter Road is not in Leith.

They have redeveloped 3 stands with the 4th to follow next year. In terms of facilities it would be one of the best of any rugby club in Europe.

The issues are the width and durability of the pitch. They would need to invest in a Desso pitch and, obviously, pay rent.
16

AlastairS,

20/05/2009 15:48:51
Before you totally dismiss Murrayfield remember that it has an excellent playing surface, a wide pitch which suits Edinburgh, good floodlights designed for rugby, an excellent car park, good club facilities. I agree about the atmosphere but it does not seem to be detrimental to the team. Myerside was dropped because it was not available after Easter holidays. Meggetland would need a larger stand, car park and clubhouse. It was also interesting to note how empty the grounds at London Irish and Munster were during recent matches. So for the forseable future we have to accept Murrayfield and create the atmosphere. One way to do that would be for more people to put their money where their mouth is and turn up to the games. Prices are very reasonable and the quality of the rugby desreves their support.
17

Richard in exile,

20/05/2009 16:19:54
On another note Halfpenny is out of the Lions squad - bets on Paterson or Evan anyone?
18

Mike D W,

20/05/2009 20:45:03
What is it with the average Scottish rugby fan?

Edinburgh come 2nd, yes 2ND!!, in the Magners League and all people on here can say is that the so-called big teams didn't take the tournament seriously, etc.

Pro-rugby in Scotland has progressed this season. Edinburgh have shown a consistency never shown before. Sure, they still have some way to go, they can always get better and the next step is to make a splash in the H Cup, but jeez let's just celebrate that they came 2nd this season.
19

cockney Mike,

22/05/2009 09:03:35
It's funny people (no.8) saying that we need a better atmosphere to attract people to watch more games - what rubbish!

People will go to watch Edinburgh when the team is doing well - hence crowds up this season. If Edinburgh were competing in the latter stages of the Heineken cup ie QF, SF. F every year then I'm pretty sure that Murrayfield would be the perfect venue for them to play as they would be getting 20k, maybe 30k+ supporters coming to watch (in those games).

Congrats to Edinburgh on a good season, now let's get to the QF of the Heineken cup next year, and try and win the Magners next year. If we could I'd bet average attendances would hit 8000 a game, which would make Edinburgh one of the best supported club teams in the northern hemisphere.

 

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