The best form of defence is attack.

Sooner or later it will need to be done, why wait for another 9-11 or 7-7.

because the handwringers lack the cahonies to do the job that NEEDS to be done...

and bring enormous pressure to remove those who would make the tough decisions....

And yet Republican congressmen released detailed info on a government site on the making of an atomic bomb(for political gain). Supposedly, it was detailed enough to get the attention of weapons experts. It took them 7 months to get the info off of the site.

If intelligence sources knows all of the motives of AL qaeda, then why haven't they been arrested?

Something about this does not ad up.

I am not saying Al Qaeda does not have these aims, I am, however, questioning the motives of the government's release of this info.

Nuclear bomb? What, like the one that America used on the Japanese?

Evil breeds evil. Therefore, when America decided to introduce such catastrophic technology into the world she was opening a door she would never be able to close.

You play with fire for long enough you get burnt.. I do not want a world war, nor do I want nuclear technology in the hands of people I cant trust, but the fact remains...America decided to use Atomic energy to anihilate innocent Japanese life, what the heck did you think was going to happen eventually?

If its Going to Happen ,It will be this Crumby Little island that will slip up .Our security is a joke.

I would say they are close to having nuclear weapons now. If they do a regime change in Pakistan, they will have plenty.

They already have dirty bomb technology, and now will be looking at the biological technology mentioned elsewhere.

Maybe our politicians will now consider closing down their terrorist factory and making a few friends instead?

Who is Al Qaeda? I think we should be told.

I would also like to know who Al Qaeda is...Maybe Bush and his cronies could tell us...So far the only country to use this cowardly and pathetic type of weaponary is America

#4. 'Innocent Japanese life' An interesting one Media 1, my little bleating heart.

I would like you to ask any ex serviceman who was interned or say worked on the death railway in Thailand. Any Chinese, Malaysian or Philippine national, to name but a few, who survived the war. Ask them what they think of the Japanese and the bomb. Somehow I don't think you will be surprised by their views.

The bomb single handedly stopped pure evil in its tracks.

Graeme: If you are attempting to suggest that America is this champion of peace in the name of compassion then I suggest you take grow up.

Look at your statement, you are suggesting that people who experienced Japanese cruelty during the war are eligible to determine what qualifies evil.

Yes the Japanese were cruel, but then war is cruel..You cannot possibly suggest that dropping an Atom Bomb on innocent people was an act of compassion by the United States government. It was NOT!

It was the most cruel, cowardly, pathetic and unjust anti human act which has ever visited our planet...and America will forever be remembered for it

Graeme 8 you are correct.

The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs saved a lot of lives in bringing the war to a swift conclusion. The Dresden and Hamburg bombings did the same.

These wars were just wars, and we had every right to use any means available to protect ourselves. The Japanese and Germans brought these events on themselves by their unspeakable acts.

The database (Al-Queda) is not a country; it is not even an organisation. It is a loose grouping of people who have grievances, primarily caused by Israel but also Saudi Arabia and now the puppet regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Al-Queda is gathering strength all the time, and requires a different approach. It has been clearly demonstrated that wholesale slaughter in Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq serves only to create victims with a grievance aka terrorists.

The only way forward is to understand and address these grievances. I would suggest that this can only be done through the UN, it is the only international forum we have, and we must make it work.

What a load of rubbish,if al-qaeda wantednuclear weapons america would supply them.Iraq was supposed to have wmd's.And any-one who believes that al-qaeda who are busy running through the hills so americans can't bomb them are capable of exploring producing and testing a nuclear weapon should wake up and first acquire the knowledge it takes to create a nuclear weapon,how many out there really know what they're talking about and how many are either guessing or american.

The mainstream media seem to ignore the fact of the Al Qaeda threat and 9-11 seems to be a distant memory and the West is continuing with normality if nothing every happened. This link states very factual information that Al Qaeda has nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and are preparing to use them:

http://www.crusade-media.com/news1.html

Clansman, attack whom exactly? DO you have a lsit of names and addresses?

Another example of government scare tactics using terrorism for control.

9/11 was an iside job used to scare the citizens of the UK and US into submission as our governments went forward to carry out plans to invade Afghanastan and Iraq that had already been established.

They will also sponsor another terrorist attack in the west, it may well be nuclear. It will be blamed on Al-Qaeda (actually a government created terrorist organization), and used to justify not only taking away more of your rights and ending democracy in the UK and US, but also for justifying a massive invasion of Iraq and Syria.

Educated yourself, folks. Don't buy everything they say! See "V for Vendetta"!

See Prison Planet
http://www.prisonplanet.com/

and Terror Storm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4757274759497686216

and

Scholars for 9/11 Truth

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

#4 Media 1, well said.

American imperialism had caused the deaths of 1,000,000 Iraqis since 1991 ( http://journals.democraticunderground.com/IndyOp/4 )

Now i ask you ALL. Why the hell would Al-Qaeda want to acquire nuclear technology ?

I say pull out of Iraq/Afghan, apologize for all the deaths and destructions caused. Remove the concentration camps in Palestine. Perminantly Install an UN peace force between Israel and Palestine. AND STOP KILLING MUSLIMS!!!

Relax folks.

The fact is that nuclear weapons exists, and nutters exists. One of these days, statistically, a nutter will get hold of a bomb and explode it.

But the probability is that we will have to wait a long time for that. Even the state-sanctioned Iranian Nuclear program has so far failed to build a bomb, and they are an industrialised nation, whith acess to stolen technology blue prints supplied by AQ Khan. The notion that a loosley asociated group of nutters and psycopaths can coordinate the building of a nuclear device is ludicrous. There is of course, the risk that a pre-made one was aquired during the dissolution of the Soviet Union, but if that was the case, they would have detonated it already.

SO relax, chill out and concentrate on not chocking on that ham sandwich you plan to have for lunch, which is a far greater risk.

Al-QAEDA was created by CIA. They do NOTHING except take responsibility for stuff they did not do. They have a small military factions which acts like death squades in highly chaotic conflicts in the middle east, but most of their work is pathetic videos! Al-QAEDA does not mean Osama, he was merly a front man during the recruting period, he was blamed for the Embassy bombings, yet no shread of evidence was given. Osama was blamed for 9.11 yet again no shred of evidence, even he denied it. AL-QAEDA is a virtual terrorist group, period. I have no doubt they still keep links with CIA and MOSSAD, on the intelligence level. The thing Al-QAEDA has to do is release some videos saying they were the ones who did it !

Can they cause a nuclear attack? I doubt it, but they'll be glad to take responsibility for it. Notice, it's Israel who has 600 nuclear warheads and has not signed any treaty or allowed AIEA to investigate them. MOSSAD has the worst record of terrorism operations in modern history, they were caught red handed several times, in India, Mexico and USA (the Patriot Act actually WORKED, only the culprits were ISRAELI agents, not arabs!).

FOX News. "Police Seize Rental Truck with TNT Traces. By Carl Cameron. May 13, 2001"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52681,00.html

damn, it's morning here and I forgot to spellcheck :)

"military faction*" "death squads"

#18 Dragomir,

You are spot on :

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/goldstein.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4513.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wmh.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/zarqawi_woodenleg.html

This is a war its worldwide and the sooner we realise we are all in the front line the better as we can then deal with it more effectively as one!
Yes we are going about it the wrong way it should be intelligence led with highly trained Special Forces doing the dirty work. Those people that think we can still deal with these people, militant Islam, etc, in a civilised way are living in cloud cuckoo land!
Also its nice to see that the conspiracy theory of history still persists.

Would any out there really want any terrorist group to have Nuclear capabilities? The consequences could be far reaching, the threat alone has serious implications. Lets not forget that this is about terrorist groups who thrive on causing fear and destruction to suit their own agenda. An agenda that is driven by a misguided religious fervour to gain a political power.

Imagine hearing that a nuclear device has been found in the town you live or work in. What would be your response? Would you want sanctions against the countries protecting the terrorist group or would you wish to retaliate with force?

Sanctions would only work with help from the other middle eastern countries. Attacking by force has already proven to be costly, but then where do you draw the line? Does any country dare risk a nuclear holocaust to iradicate one terrorist group and at the risk or another rising up to replace it or world wide destruction that will make global warming seem like a splash in the ocean?

Binny #16.
First of all, why stop killing just muslims? Is a muslim life worth more than lives of other races/religions? Additionally, in Iraq and Afghanistan, by far the majority cause of muslim deaths is in fact other muslims such as the constant sectarian violence between the shias and sunnis in Iraq.There are NO concentration camps in palestine and to claim such is just plain silly. There is fighting, death and suffering on both sides but until BOTH sides are willing to negotiate with genuine intent to bring an end to the fighting, things wont improve.
Dragomir #18.
The CIA didnt create al-qaeda they helped support the afghani mujahideen in the fight against the soviet invasion. Some of those mujahideen later formed al qaeda as a database of all mujahideen fighting in afghanistan. This later morphed into the small organisation we see today which acts as an inspirational and logistics support for many groups who wish to carry out terrorism all over the world.

Media 1 #7 While America is the only country to use Nuclear bombs in warfare so far, there are numerous countries that have used chemical warfare in war not least of which is Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. I would like to point out that at the same time that america developed its Nuclear bomb the Germans were working on their own Nuclear bomb program. In my opinion it was a necessary evil at that time and cut short the war in the pacific and overall probably saved many lives. Unfortunately,though, the genie is out of the bottle now.

Oliver F 24

"There are NO concentration camps in palestine and to claim such is just plain silly."

Palestine is a concentration camp in all but name, thanks to the Israeli persecution.

Not even the Nazis bombed and shelled and bulldozed their prisoners.

t4d,

Give me one important precedent from modern history of a secret terrorist organization's attack on far away foreign lands. One.

Bill #25

"Palestine is a concentration camp in all but name, thanks to the Israeli persecution."

That is precisely the kind of biased, out of context nonsense that keeps these sorts of debates going round in circles. There is wrong on both sides of this nightmare. Both sides suffer. The palestinians not only carry out terrorism attacks but they actually elected them to government. Where is your criticism of palestinian actions to go along with your denunciation of Israeli actions?

"Not even the Nazis bombed and shelled and bulldozed their prisoners."

Yes the israeli bombing and shelling is wrong. They shouldnt target civilians. On the same front, Hamas and other palestinian terrorists are the ones hiding arms in civilians homes. They arent blameless either. This claim recently about a "technical fault" is nonsense though. The Israelis should apologise for the massacre in beit hanoun.

As for bulldozing, I dont blame the Israelis. There are hundreds of tunnels that the palestinian groups use to smuggle arms.

Oliver,

You're right, it's not a camp, it's a prison.

Usually in camps people are put to slave work. In Gaza the Palestinians are just used as lab rats for new generations of weapons.

What do you call a place with huge blast proof walls all intertwining and chocking the territory? ... Art?

Actually it's worse than prison, since people there are doomed to die because:

- no aid, US and Israel block all food and medical aid to the people

- no trade, checkpoints, barriers and walls block all trade

- no water and sanitation, most resources are diverted to Jewish settlements which look like an oasis, with large pools, palms, etc.

- no electricity, since IDF target power plants and cable networks

- no FOOD since the Israeli Wall and other roads and checkpoints cut off Palestinians from their lands where they usually harvest.

Let's see the Israelis go though these conditions without having tanks and jets, and then we can say how equally "both sides" suffer.

27# by your logic South Africa should not have Nelson Mandela, Northern Ireland should not have SinnFein, Israel should not exist.
All the above are born from terrorism.
You state you don't blame the Israeli's from bulldozing houses because of tunnels.
Why do they have tunnels?
Oh dear another one seeking to defend the undefendable.
Any nation that interferes or manipulates another will eventually be held to account.
It is a normal human trait.

For others Dresden was at the end of the war and did absolutely nothing to bring that end closer. For anyone to attempt to justify it is an utter fool.

Tony Blair admitted yesterday that until Palestine is created, we cannot do anything else to prevent terrorism. Al Qaeda is winning by using anger of millions of Arabs. When Arab street see US refusing to even condemn Israel for killing civilians last week, they feel vengence and call on Al Qaeda to teach the west a lesson. Tony Blair has many time said that Israel-Palestine problem must be the top priority for the US to resolve. Its the main cause that drives people into the hands of extremists.

Who the heck is Al Quaeda? I want George Bush to point them out..Axis of Evil, who are they? Syria and Iran?

And who decides who is evil?

Is evil the use of an ATOM BOMB? or is it the start of a war under the guise of WOMD, but in truth an excuse for control of oil and the manufacture of arms which your right hand man just happens to manufacture in his Halliburton company?

Off-course there is evil people out there who are more dangerous than we can imagine, but the truth remains..

Had the west not spent so much money on manufacturing such evil weaponary we wouldnt need to worry about other people copying the technology.

Let us remember that of all the most evil bombs to have ever been used, only one nation has thus far acted in the most dangerous, cowardly and utterly disgusting manner..]

That was America, at hiroshima and nagasaki

Good point Media 1,

Western Civilization's creation of the 'Nuclear' Bomb will solely be responsible for the destruction of humankind as we know it. Americans literally worship the 'Bomb'. That is their god.

Not Al Qaeda or Bin-laden or anyone else (from their caves)

GP #29

Your use of sinn fein as a counterpoint to my point about terrorism doesnt ring true as sinn fein only truly came into the peace process once there was a concrete ceasefire and they later gave up their weapons. I admit the issue of nelson mandela is an awkward one but one that thankfully was resolved for the good in the end. As for the tunnels, I say again, they have tunnels to smuggle in arms and rockets to fire into israel.

Again, I ask everyone, where is their criticism of palestinian terrorism? I try to be fair. I criticise the israelis where I see them doing wrong. I criticise the palestinians where I see them going wrong.

Taking that point further; dragomir you state the dreadful conditions in the palestinian authority but you dont explain why. The palestinian people voted Hamas into government. If the palestinian people choose to be run by terrorists then they have to live with the consequences.

Just in case anyone wants to bring the Northern Ireland IRA/Sinn Fein into this argument, I remind everyone that IRA/Sinn Fein called a ceasefire and made steps towards putting their weapons beyond use before they were able to join the northern ireland assembly.

The IRA and Sinn Fein did put their weapons aside...

But would the people of Ireland have done so, if every IRA bomb in London was met with mass devastation to Belfast and her men,women and children in the shape of Harrier Jump Jets and a mass of torpedo's, all compliments of the British government and her army?

Hamas = the movement which grew out of the pain and horror Palestinians have been through for the past century (it actually started before and during WW1).

Because of the progressive ethnic cleansing, mass punishment and attack on infrastructure, each generation has grown more inclined to fundamentalism and more hateful of Israel and USA (because it supports Israel) and UK (because it made the original deals with the Zionists), just like each generation of Zionists is more violent and cold blooded. Yes, Hamas's policy can be called "Jihad".

Jihad means "struggle", "striving" a powerful defensive internal and external reaction (by all means, think of Mein Kampf, more laughing material for me). No, not holy war. It's translated as holy war in western slang, but the correct meaning is holy struggle, a fight for survival against an evil. Any individual can call "a Jihad", it's not necessarily a social movement.

Just google "define:Jihad" and you'll see the collection of objective and biased (on judeo-christian sites) definitions of it.

#3--Cynthia--WRONG!!--it was El'Baradi, who had all the papers & documents from Saddams,
"stack-of-stuff". the Dems & Republicans wanted these released, but the IAEA hadn't reviewed all, when the R.Congressman submitted the request. thats what happened.
#1 & 2--i aggree!1
#9--M-1--yes America will be remembered for stopping the atrocities by Japan, for Japan payed no attention to the Geneva convention.
#10--Bill--Japan had a grievance, OIL!!!
Germany had a grievance, they had a bad economy & blamed it on the Jews.
#27--Oliver--the Israeli's don't target civilians. Hamas & Hezbollah use them for cover, so the women & children are killed & pictures world/wide show how terrible Israel is.

#37 sandy, you're clearly an Israeli apologist.

Chosen People = Racist Supremacist Ideology

Jews believe themselves a Chosen People divinely chosen by God and those who are not Jews are Gentiles meaning heathens .
But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days declares the Lord. I will put My Torah within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jeremiah 31:31-34:
And God divinely presents real estate to his Chosen People .
And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your temporary residence, all the land of Canaan as an eternal possession and I will be a God to them.
Genesis 17:8
The Chosen People believe a Jewish Messiah will arise in Israel and he will smite Israels Gentile enemies .
I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen, like you (Moses), and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak all that I command him. And it shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require him
Deuterotomy 18:18-19:
The Jewish Messiah can only be Jewish
you may appoint a king over you, whom the Lord your God shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you.
Deuteronomy 17:15
He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel , in the process evicting and oppressing 5 million Palestinians and making their lives a 5th World hell .
And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth
Isaiah 11:12
Then the Jewish Messiah will be murdered by the Chosen People themselves.
And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanct

Joel 1:1-2
The Jews as the chosen people will then rule the world and we Gentiles will serve the Jews .
Foreigners will rebuild your walls, and their kings will serve you.
Isaiah 60:10
Ant the Gentiles will financially pay for it , of course , the funny thing is we are at the moment paying for Israel , so whats new ?
Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night , so that men may bring you the wealth of the nations , their kings led in triumphal procession.
Isaiah 60:11
And those of us Gentiles who refuse this servitude to the Chosen People will be smitten down and condemned to eternally damnation .
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.
Isaiah 60:12
And seeing we are in the Chosen Peoples eyes guilty for our Fathers sins we will have to bow down at the Chosen Peoples feet apologize and praise them !
The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you; all who despise you will bow down at your feet and will call you the City of the LORD, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 60:14

I believe this religion should have these offensive verses removed from their holy books , afterall the Chosen People themselves are succeeding in having this verse removed from Christian books .
When Pilate saw that he was not succeeding at all, but that a riot was breaking out instead, he took water and washed his hands in the sight of the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this man's blood. Look to it yourselves. And the whole people said in reply, "His blood be upon us and upon our children.
Matthew27: 24-25

#38--binny--what country is "the truth"-----is that where your from or is that where you would like to be? enlighten me, please.

Sandy #37

I Wholeheartedly agree that hamas and hezbollah both use women and children as cover. I have said as such earlier. However, when the israelis manage to kill over 18 people mostly from the same family and blame it on a "technical fault" do they really expect people to believe that nonsense?

I am a passionate believer in Israels right to defend herself but that doesnt mean freedom from criticism. I see wrongs on both sides and will passionately criticise both sides for their errors.

Richard #35

Yes the palestinians have been suffering long before they elected hamas but my point is that the situation has greatly worsened economically and politically since they elected the terrorist organisation Hamas to government.

Yet again I will say it. There are wrongs on both sides. The palestinians commit horrendous acts against israelis all the time. We hear very little about that. Its all too fashionable of late to portray the palestinians as whiter than white and to portray Israel as the the great evil.

Dragomir #36

You can romanticise and argue over definitions of "jihad" all you like. I prefer a much more honest term. Terrorism.

when are you going to get it?

Hamas and Hezbollah ARE the civllians ! These are not national professional armies, they are [THE PEOPLE + GUNS] fighting for survival.

Dragomir #42

I do get it. Calling them civilians is disingenious. Civilians dont fire rockets and missiles. They dont carry out suidide bombings. Thats what terrorists do and its what Hamas and Hezbollah do. I

1 http://www.prosefights.org/larryeverest/larryeverest.htm
2 http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&...
3 http://www.proseights.org/buehlerpayne/buehlerpayne.html
4 http://www.jya.com/nsasuit.txt,
http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/whp122397.htm [Austria] or http://www.prosefights.org/cibolafraud/nsasuit.txt
5 http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm
6 http://biphome.spray.se/laszlob/cryptoag/buehler-tape.htm
7 http://www.prosefights.org/baltimoresun/shanebowman.htm

regards
http://www.prosefights.org/shattuck/shattuck.htm

Richard, Never worry about American Democracy. We have more checks and balances than any other country.
You can read all the propaganda and believe what you will..but Democracy in America will never die.
We fought to long and hard for it.

Lynne, please print what you said and keep it in a safe drawer. Let's see after a year from now what democracy you have left. OK? No biggie experiment.

billp #45

Thanks for all the links but I never follow links in these kinds of discussions. I like to know that links I am clicking on are taking me to a safe website. No offence but I dont know you so I wont do it. Therefor I cant really comment on what is said on those sites.

Richard #44

Yes civilians are dying on both sides and that is one of my major points. We here very little about what I still say is palestinian terrorism. You may call them civilian militias or as others call them militants. I just see that as political correctness not wanting to offend muslims. The IRA and ETA are terrorists and so are Hamas and Hezbollah in my opinion.

I will admit that the casualty numbers on the palestinian side are a great deal higher than on the israeli side and I have strongly criticised Israel in the past when I have thought their actions have been unjustified. That, however, doesnt absololve the palestinians of their responsibility for terror acts commited in their name. I really do think this notion of Hamas and Hezbollah as freedom fighters is in my opinion romanticised poppycock. Thats putting it politely.

Until both palestinians and israelis are truly prepared to come to the negoitating table with a genuine intent to make a lasting peace there will be no security in the middle east with the obvious security ramifications for the rest of the world.

The majority of you are nuts. There are those of you claiming that the US is making all this crap up so that they can control us. Well so far it isnt working. You claim they make up false information just like your doing on here. Hello pot calling the kettle black.

As far as the Japanese and WWII go heres the truth. Did innocent people die? 100% correct. They always do in war. Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki the 2 main factories for the Japanese military to produce ships, planes, and tanks to continue fighting? Yes they were. They were strategic sites to bomb not helpless little cities. If we wanted to just blow something up for the sake of a big boom we would have hit Tokyo. You complain about the US dropping this weapon over 60 years ago but I dont see anyone complaining about the Germans indiscriminately firing rockets at civilian targets. You dont complain about all the passenger ships that were sunk by the germans and Japanese. You dont complain about the Japanese dropping bombs early in the morning on a country that had nothing to do with their conflict and killing innocent people.
You dont complain because your all nuts and have decided that the US is just evil and should be destroyed no matter what. You all have decided that we Lie and make up whatever we want. Oh but if we took all our money, military, and influence and went home you would all complain about how horrible things are in your own countries and how evil we are for no longer supporting others. You hate us because we exist. There's no other reason for it.
And for those that are citizens of this country and think that our own country would kill our own citizens just so we could go and kill some more need to have your heads checked. Did we bring some of this on ourselves? Sure. I'm not disputing that because there are too many facts that prove that is true. But we do not deserve the level of hatred that is being poured out on us. We have done and continue to do so much more good in

I find it hard to digest peoples comments of the World War II bombing of Japan.

The Allied forces agreed to launch the attack, not just the United States alone so why doesnt the rest of the world stand up and take responsibility.

The facts show that atomic and nuclear capability was inebitable.

If Germany or Japan would have produced the capability of an atomic bomb and the means to use it first do'nt you think they would have used it?

War is war, people die, those are the facts. Do you honestly believe that people dont die in warfair.

World War II was a fight to the death!

The facts show that the United States has formed a military that uses technology to keep collateral damage to a minimum by spending billions of dollars on the advancement of precision weapons, while other countries show lack of disregard by cunstructing weapons of mass destruction.

Al quaeda is nothing but a gang force! They are a street gang with advanced weapons, it would not be a surprise to me if they had some U.S. training from the passed. They obviously have been supplied with some U.S. arms. I am sure they were the U.S. governments way of entering the Iran and Iraq wars.

Thank You for the wonderful history lesson Arizona. It is very refreshing.

Muslims remind you of anyone?
I dont want to mention any names but the German leader responsible for both World Wars had the same veiwpoint as the Muslims.

Is the World going to stand up to evil or allow it to rear its ugly face and strike first?

Killing is wrong; However if we are forced to kill or be killed the right to defend ourselves should be used and strike first.

I agree with the war on terror, the muslim community obviously wants us to die it is written in thier words of belief.

We should defend ourselves now! First strike.

I do not wish for them to die, but I will defend our right to live.

Desendant of Ishmael beware of the mighty power of the allies.

#46--Richard--Lynne is correct. you can "glean" any thing you want, but our "REPUBLIC/democracy"
is well & in tact, & not going anywhere, EVER. perhaps you should read our Constitution" that "Jefferson & the boys" wrote. you may learn something.

Arizona wrote: "In the 1940's when Israel was reformed the palestinians WERE NOT THERE. They were living in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. With all the settlers moving in being Jews, the surrounding Muslim nations decided they didnt want them there. So what did they do? They attacked. The jews did just take the land. Most of it was already LEGAL PROPERTY of the settlers. "

So why are there now almost 5 million Palestinians living in Israel? Did they land from UFOs? Wait wait, don't tell me, they were parachuted by secret Arab forces, all with fake passports, ids, billions in money, deeds to land and lots of Viagra!

Any why were camps packed with Palestinians in Israel when Israel "happened" ? Did those Palestinians just sprout up from the ground? Did they come from the neighbouring Arab nations to enjoy the wonderful accommodations of refugee camps?

Hollywood,

USA has the largest pile of nukes in the World, all types of nukes and chemical weapons, all up to date with system upgrades each year.

That says enough.

Also,

Please tell me two things. When is the last time USA was attacked by another nation? War, official war, as in some president saying "I DECLARE WAR ON USA".

Also, if you seem to have such rich knowledge of history; please tell me when has USA ever fought a war alone ("I DECLARE WAR ON") against a fully equipped military (but without nuclear arms, we know that never happens), like the first battles of WW2. ARMY against ARMY.

*fully equipped as in - not an army which has already fought battles and is heavily crippled, a fresh army.

Hollywood,

If there were Muslims and Arabs in Germany, Hitler and the nazis would've killed them too, just like he killed many gypsy people; In modern Germany, persecution of the Sinti and Roma preceded the Nazi regime. Even though Gypsies enjoyed full and equal rights of citizenship under Article 109 of the Weimar Constitution, they were subject to special, discriminatory laws. A Bavarian law of July 16, 1926, outlined measures for "Combatting Gypsies, Vagabonds, and the Work Shy" and required the systematic registration of all Sinti and Roma. The law prohibited Gypsies from "roam[ing] about or camp[ing] in bands," and those "[Gypsies] unable to prove regular employment" risked being sent to forced labor for up to two years. This law became the national norm in 1929. Gypsies wore the black triangular patches, the symbol for "asocials," or green ones, the symbol for professional criminals, and sometimes the letter "Z." Scholarly estimates of deaths in the Sinti and "Gypsy" genocide range from 220,000 to 500,000.

Jews were among the "privileged prisoners". Many of them integrated into some sort of work in the Nazi system. Hitler wanted to keep using Jewish prisoners as hostages, knowing there are many rich Jews in the West who would pay to save the hostages. The other people executed in Nazi Germany were not so lucky, nobody gave a crap about them.

Remember what "white supremacy" means?

Remember "the Aryan people"?

Do muslims look white? Nazi americans call muslims "sand niggers", that doesn't sound white to me.

Dragomir,

USA has the second largest pile of nukes in the world, and are very secured in well protected facilities.
Former Soviet Union (now known as the Russian Federation) has the largest stock pile of nukes in the world. In addition some of these sights are very poorly secured sometimes just fenced with barbedwire and a (GATE WITH A PAD LOCK ON IT).

That says enough

Yes I agree there is really no argument that could explain why a nation would need such weapons in mass number, however technology opened the door The arms race of the Cold War has given us a grave outcome, and now everyone is seeking nuclear capability.

Why would a nation declare war against another nation when the outcome could be no other then certain defeat.
No instead they threaten or invade smaller nations affiliated with the world power.

Oh by the way lets not leave out that when the big brother defends the smaller nation they are looked at as a bully.

As I recall friendly nations were expected to answer to each others need.

Remember the descendants of the USA all came from different home lands; Great Britain, Spain, England, France just to name a few.

Ring a bell?

dragomir #57

"Jews were among the "privileged prisoners". Many of them integrated into some sort of work in the Nazi system. Hitler wanted to keep using Jewish prisoners as hostages, knowing there are many rich Jews in the West who would pay to save the hostages"

What a complete and utter asinine comment. The jews were so "privieliged" that 6 million of them were gassed by the nazis in concentration camps.

You are right though about the extent of the persecution of the roma and their suffering in the holocaust hasnt truly been acknowledged.

Dragomir

Yes Hitler was so sympathetic, He is such a model for the rest of the world to take notice and follow his lead.

I hope you understand the definition of a sarcastic remark.

Why do people follow the lead of a religion or a group which not only encourages the geniside of other people, but claims so to be it's goal.

Has the world not learned it's lesson from WWII.
We cannot allow these powers to have the capability to put us in the same situation once again.

Thank You Oliver F UK
I will Always stand tall to support my friend.

USA:
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=nd06norris

Russia:
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=ma06norris

"No instead they threaten or invade smaller nations affiliated with the world power."

You mean like what USA did in Iran, Guatamala, Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic, the Congo, Chile, Brazil, El Salvador, Cambodia, Iraq, the Phillipines, Indonesia and many others?

"Remember the descendants of the USA all came from different home lands; Great Britain, Spain, England, France just to name a few." GB was kicked out (almost), Spain had interests in South America, France had interests in the North (Canada).

buhahahaha

A few centuries ago the official language of USA was almost picked German. In schools the know known as "nazi salute" was the way school children greeted their teachers. Did you ever stop to wonder why there was and is so much racism in USA?? Are you curious why the Republican party of USA opposed entering WW2 ?

I'm surprised you ignore the "blue eyed" past of your nation, especially since you seem to be a republican.

Why the do you think your English is so similar to German? American English is based on the same vocabulary of "gluing words together". France and Spain have Latin roots, with a very old vocabulary enriched and preserved during the Roman Empire centuries. I know, my native language is Romanian which is the most Latin influenced language after Italian.

here's a quick link: http://www.fogas.org/history1.htm
and

http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/1990.html
http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/geneal.htm#immig

To Media 1, I disagree with your comment about innocent japanese that was killed during ww2. They started it they deserve it. What about those "innocent civilians" that was "killed by Imperial Japanese soldiers" in the Philippines, China and other occupied countries in Asia.They killed over a million or more.Your telling these nonsense accusations because it didn't happen to your country and if did happen, you're Blind and deaf. Better learn the history.

"Why do people follow the lead of a religion or a group which not only encourages the genocide of other people, but claims so to be it's goal."

I don't have any religion or beliefs. I'm a fan of science and humanism. (Actually I come from a Christian background, but I grew out of it). I'm sorry you believe this is a war of religions. It's not, it's politics.

If you research history (all you can get your hands on!) you'll see that all 3 monotheistic religions come from the same roots, the Semites, and if you learn about Semitic languages you could find out that "Allah" means "God" just like "Deus" (Italian) means "God", just like "Dumnezeu" (Romanian) means "God", they're all referring to the same "God". If you read the Koran (which is just a book), not JUST the Bible (which is just another book), you could find out that Muslims follow the same time-line as Jews and Christians, they learn from the same prophet called Jesus, among others and the violence described in the Koran, for which you seem to keep prejudice, is no where near the violence described in the old testament and the Talmud. When the Koran was written, it was written for the middle east area, since the rest of the World wasn't that explored, so when you hear "infidels" it refers originally to the pagans, but that doesn't mean there's need for a "Jihad" (Striving, effort, struggle; striving spiritually or physically against evil, may be individual or social), unless the "infidels" attacks in some way "the way of God". It's a psychological defensive mechanism. Pagans to Christianity are like infidels to Islam, but you have to get really fundamental to start killing innocent people.

All fundamentalism is violent and idiotic! You have more reasons to fear Christian fundamentalism in USA than Islamic fundamentalism. Just like people in Israel have more

Sorry for the few wording mistakes, I forgot to re-read the text, it's late here :)

this is for everyone who thinks the use of the atomic bomb on japan was wrong.if those weapons had not been used millions of japs and americans would have died the bomb was a quick and decisive end to a war that could have went on for many many years and killed many more innocent people than what it did wrong or right it was over

After reading the opinions of all writers, I can now conclude that everyone everywhere is an expert
on world policy. I can also conclude that with all the experts giving all differing views and standing passionately on their arguments, that our world is but a short step away from being flushed down the hopper. I agree with the one who wrote, "eat your ham sandwich at lunch and stop the nonsense.'
Be an expert as to whether you like mayo or mustard. You all offer more judgement than expertise.

Raul #69

I freely admit I am opinionated and I have very strong beliefs and opinions which I defend vehemently. I make no apologies for that. As for the "eat your ham sandwich at lunch and stop the nonsense" comment, I think thats appalling.

In my opinion far too many people are apathetic to politics and world events.

I would much rather have a vigorous debate with people who maybe disagree strongly with my viewpoints but care and have passion for the viewpoints and beliefs that they hold.

Hmm according to all religion be it christianity,Islam,Judism they all speak about peace, about treating others politely,kindly and with wizdom and to always have patience. The term "Jihad" does not mean "TERRISOM" that is a real foolish remark.The meaning comes from the arabic word "Jahid" which means to struggle in the way that is right.Yes it may mean Holy war depending on how the situation is.Holy war here means to defend the land you live in,the property you own not because you own them but because thats your right.The Jews were exiled from there holy land know as palastine and now they want in back creating this neverending hatred on both sides.I am a Muslim and am proud to say it just like those from other religion who are proud to say that they are of that religion. I do however blame America for some cowardly attacks.Example the attack of a hospital in Sudan in which they claimed was hiding chemical weapons and the fact that they frame people without evidance like osama,if there is evidance of him doing the sept 11 please enlighten me.

" matt north carolina, north carolina / 1:36pm 16 Nov 2006"

the war was OVER before the bombs fell! It was not a military strike to stop an opponent, it was VENGEANCE, saying: "that's what you get for messing with US". It was having the "last word' in a very genocidal way!

The Japan army wasn't even in those parts at the time of the bombing!

Dragomir #72

Go back to school and retake history. The war in EUROPE was over by the time america dropped the N bombs but the war in the pacific against Japan was NOT over. It was only the dropping of the N bombs on nagaski and hiroshima that negated the need for an invasion of Japan which would have most likely cost a lot more lives.You really should learn your facts before you speak.

We had to nuke Japan. It was the only option. More lives had been lost firebombing Tokyo and Dresden than the nuclear attacks. If Germany hadn't surrendered we should have hit Berlin too. It's so easy for you chaps to criticize the U.S. just because you think it will make you look hip in front of your friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima...

Rufus, yes, lots of lives, hundreds of thousands of japaneese lives...

Japan was devastated before the nuke bombing. It was in diplomacy stages with Russia. The war was over in the words of any soldier and general, there was no NEED for nuking!

As an expert in foreign policy, wars, and all things nuclear (I watched Spies Like Us a few years back), I can definitively tell you what is wrong with the US war machine. Beginning this exposition with the US war machine, rather than Al Qaeda and Bin Laden's role in WWII may seem like a digression, but rest assured I will circumlocute my way back to this most obscure of openings.
The problem with war today is that it is too damn civilized. The average American 300 pounder, sitting on his couch eating french fries, doesn't want to hear about people dying. He wants to watch Friends and supersize his extra value meal which he can pay for now that gas (petrol, benzin, degaline) is back down to $2.30 a gallon (3.78 L). When he sees that there is a war somewhere, he wants to tuck himself into the folds of his greasy, oversized belly and hide from the reality that life outside of his privileged existence is somewhat less than the perfection which he experiences on a daily basis.
When Al Qaeda attacks, "Why do you hate me!" he bellows. "God damn you, Bin Laden!" He wants revenge; he no longer feels safe on his oversized recliner. He applauds when the US storms Afghanistan. He orgasms when the US invades Iraq. Finally, retribution is forthcoming, he believes.
A few days later, the wars are still raging. Our hero is confused. The 9/11 attacks happened in one day. Why is my revenge taking longer? And what is this I hear about (during the commerical breaks on Friends) people dying? Why haven't we dropped that big bomb that kills only the bad guys and chalked this battle up as another victory?
What has happened is that part of the world has regressed into juvenile idealism, while the rest of the world has degraded into unenlightened zealotry. To Western eyes, war is no longer what it used to be. War is not fought between "nations", it is fought between "armies," and everyone else is an impartia

Advocate 57 #76 You make some interesting and valuable points but I would draw one distinction.

The war in iraq was won very quickly. The military victory was decisive, thorough and reasonably quick. The problem is that the USA and Uk have not won the peace. We went into the war with military plans for how to win the war but very little plans for what would happen afterwards.

The contracts for reconstruction were given to haliburton for questionable reasons. Little thought was given to how much needed to be done. Sacking the entire iraqi army was one mistake that was made. Instantly sending hundreds of thousands of young men into unemployment, angry and with nothing to do.

If the USA and britain had put as much effort into thought into reconstruction and what came after the war as it did to the plans for the actual war, then iraq may be very different today. I think we in britain shoulder a lot of the blame for that. We should have slowed bush down and made sure that enough planning went into post-saddam iraq as it did into the war.

Continued: ...loosely defined guerilla squads, who have an entirely different perception of war. The guerillas are not sniping from the trees, as their revolutionary ancestors once did, rather they are masquerading as civilians, sniping from amidst the impartial observers, who, by the media and civilian controlled military, are regarded as off-limits. So, the US war machine is handcuffed by itself. Yet, at the same time, it is tasked with defending the cost of our hero's glistening cheeseburger and the gas he uses to power his SUV. It is an impossible situation.
Someday, perhaps, people will realize that religions, politics, and nations are all concepts that humanity invented to occupy it's attention before the dawn of the era of HDTV and PS3. The only dividing lines are the ones that we impose upon ourselves.
Where was I going with this? It is late. I must bring this rambling to a close.
Who the enemy is is subjective. Clearly, civilians are not the enemy, but when the enemy hides as a civilian, the only recourse, aside from endless debate and bickering, is to accept the collateral damage, damn the popular opinion, and do what you must to fix the situation. When your enemy could literally be anyone, you then have to kill everyone. The alternative is to accept the risk in your life (an apalling thought to an American) or learn how to live together in harmony (an apalling thought to a militant zealot). There is no right answer when dealing with an enemy who has no defined objective, nor the means to achieve any meaningful outcome. Al Qaeda is a group of madmen, hiding out in society, looking to attack an imaginary enemy. There is no way to defend against this via traditional means, while maintaining the privacy, safety, and security, that is so treasured in Western society.
Thanks for reading. I hope this article is at least moderately lucid.

Dragomir

No I do not hate you I hate no one. I respect my fellow man and his beliefs, however I draw the line when they want to see me dead.

I am not a Republican and I am definately not a history buff.

I enjoy the fact that you speak your views and I am very open minded to them.

I also do not follow religion, but I to have a Christian background also.

No I do not wonder why there is racism, racism is derived from fear of different people. USA is a nation were people have the freedom to worship or believe in what they choose, sometimes this sparks rivalry. It is pretty basic common knowledge of manthat people from different cultures sometimes disagree and profile one another, now they some live in the same country USA.

I do not see to much of a difference between religion and politics, it seems they both interpret how man should live his life.

If coming to the aid of a countries best interest in the eyes of the world under UN resolution then I guess you would be correct by claiming a country was invaded.

It sound as if your an American Hater. I feel for you.
Stop the hate.

Also I apologize for any miss spelling I am not a spelling whiz I am a Math major...

#69 Raul
Your funny

Advocate 57,

why you advocate for (neo)colonialism?
I'm glad you mentioned the Americans fought guerrilla ("militant") style to get rid of the British, but don't you find it hypocritical or at at least ironic? because it has been the other way around for the past half century.

Why don't republicans, like you seem to be, just come clean and say they don't want a democracy? the bill of rights, your constitution, the signing at the Geneva convention... these are all meaningless to USA. Bush said with a smirk he would like to be a dictator. So why not honestly advocate for it? What are you afraid of?

Spark13 - Bin Laden has admitted on tape to the 9-11 bombings. There is video of him meeting with the 9-11 bombers. He admits attacking the United States and vows to continue attacking the United States and other countries who support Isreal's freedom.

Dragomir - Your just an idiot!! It's not worth responding to your many messages.

As for the rest of you saying the US is evil.
What do you think of this suggestion?
How about the US pulls all it's troops back home.
Iraq will be over taken by radical muslims, or probably taken over by Iran.
South Korea will be toppled by North Korea.
Taiwan will be toppled by China.
Japan can just defend themselves without a army.
Kuwiat I hope you built a army since we kicked Iraq out for you a few years back, but if not we'll be rooting for you from our homes if the new Iraq, Iran, or any others try invading.
We can also refuse to provide are Billions in relief dollars, and keep it all in our own economy.
Romania can deal with it's own floods from now on, we'll keep our Billions which we provided in relief last year.
Pakistan, Japan, India, Indonesia, we'll let you deal with your own earthquakes and keep the billions we sent you in relief.
Africa as a whole what can I say Sorry find your own food, build your own schools, defend yourselfs from the genocide massacres. Our help is not wanted, and we'll keep the billions in relief funds we've been providing.
Oh Yeah and if by some means another Hitler starts invading Europe.. France, Britian, Poland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, Monaco, Greece, Yugoslavia, Lithuania, and Russia.. Sorry but you don't want our help, don't come asking. Maybe the UK can do it themselves!
Maybe we should completly shut down our borders as well. This way we won't need to worry about the terrorists coming over from other countries..

Yeah maybe we should just sit back in our homes with a nice beer in hand and and just w

#81 support

Thank You that was very refreshing. I have the same feeling toward the world when I am flustrated with there ridicule.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Hollywood, United States of America / 7:08pm 16 Nov 2006

"No I do not hate you I hate no one. I respect my fellow man and his beliefs, however I draw the line when they want to see me dead."

That's what they think about you and your support for Israel! Only they have the high casuality figures to back it up.

In Iraq, before the 2003 invasion, almost 2 million people died (many of which were children) because of american bombardments with DU - first during Desert Storm, and after from DU iradiation carried by dust and water (a lot of US soldiers died from that DU contamination, which was the US army's fault, not the Iraqis). Add another half a million dead since 2003. Further damage was caused by the nations and armed forces which USA supports with military and financial aid. Israel leads the list here, but on a global scale, regimes supported by USA directly with financial and military aid have caused the deaths of tens of millions of people in the last 60 years. Thank the CIA for that.

And yet none of these suffering people launched a missile at USA. None. Two things you don't understand about the rest of the non-Western World: 1. They never forget, they can't without mind numbing TV programs. 2. They have been very tolerant and have only fought for their own soverignity and liberty.

"No I do not wonder why there is racism, racism is derived from fear of different people."

Than please stop supporting Israel and its foreign policy ! Their racism and hatred indoctrinates not only jews but the evangelist population of USA, yet these people have so much racism that it would make Hitler jealous! (ironically)

"I do not see to much of a difference between religion and politics, it seems they both interpret how man should live his life."

Politics = how a people should live, especially when it come to democracy

If you combine the two, you'll have the governme

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I stumbled onto this thread while catching up on current world events. It's quite a diverse group I must say. We've got Media 1 thinking that the US is at fault for the invention of the A Bomb. However if Media 1 would do a little research on History he/she would understand that the world was on the brink of speaking Japanese or German and that Germany was extremely close to the A Bomb. Historically speaking it was fortunate for us all that the US was the "First" to introduce the A Bomb to the world. But make no mistake Media 1, sooner or later this type of devastating knowledge was destined to be introduced to the world.

We've got Dragomir believing that the Japanese were about to make an about face from their atrocities by diplomacy with Russia. And I suppose next the Germans would have given back most of Europe that they had conquered? No, I'm sorry the Japanese and Germans conducted the most brutal war ever known in the history of mankind and that wasn't all going to be erased by diplomacy.

And Oliver F. is completely correct. The US, with Britain following behind loyally, did a disastrous job planning for the aftermath of the Iraq war. Donald Rumbsfeld surely will go down is history as the worst Secretary of Defense the world has ever been subjected to!

Support, you are also completely correct. The US does give billions to the needy. The only unfortunate part is that politicians and bureaucrats world wide dilute and corrupt the generosity of the individual giver. And the world would be a much worse place than it is today if the US had not taken a position of world stewardship even though job the US has done and will continue to do will never be perfect.

Finally, from my own perspective. I just pray. I pray because I believe we are truly at the beginning of the end of times. We quite simply are heading quite rapidly toward a world showdown between Muslims and Christians. The world began with tribal fighting an

Stop reading school book history!

You have the vastest resource of information on the planet, called the Internet plus thousands of open libraries with millions of books, and you speak with the attitude of a 6th grade school girl?? What good is diversity if you don't diversify yourself?

Imagine if all the people prayed for a better World... it would be largest waste of time in history.

Praying = laziness, and if you still don't get it, you can go in the desert and pray for water and food, good luck with that. I'll be over here thinking up something constructive.

Regards post #4. It is obvious the poster has no idea whatsoever of american history, or the war in the pacific that culminated with the surrender of the japanese after the use of 2 A-Bombs on their main Island.

The use of the weapons, for your information, was to bring the war to a halt; to unleash such a potent and horrible weapon that the Japanese could not ever hope to counter. It was not intended to harm the populace, even though it did just that. It was meant to wake up the Imperial regime and show them they could be totally and utterly anihilated
and wiped off the earth.

study before you rant. it will make you look less of a fool.

to #7: I guess your country doesn't have the technology, and your only way to counter it is to
call nations names, and throw a juvenile temper tantrum.

I suggest you should become a ph.d in all the matters concerning the building and implementation of such a weapon, so that jealous people can mock you, like you are trying, and failing, to mock the most powerful nation on the face of the earth.

Dragomir,

In Iraq, before the 2003 invasion, almost 2 million people died (many of which were children) because of american bombardments with DU - first during Desert Storm, and after from DU iradiation carried by dust and water (a lot of US soldiers died from that DU contamination, which was the US army's fault, not the Iraqis).

The Iraqis invaded Kuwait. After UN sanctions failed to convince the dictator to pull forces from the country, military force was used to liberate the country of Kuwait. I guess if the third most largest army could be subdued with less then adequate firepower steps would have been taken. Depleted Uranium would not be a factor if Iraq would have minded their manners. In conclusion Iraq is to blame for DU.

. Two things you don't understand about the rest of the non-Western World: 1. They never forget, they can't without mind numbing TV programs. 2. They have been very tolerant and have only fought for their own soverignity and liberty.

The United States never forgets, mind numbing TV programs are elementary compaired to the documentary subjected to the American people. The United States has upheld the fight for soverignity and liberty for nations abroad. A nation that only fights for its own freedom cannot possibly understand the complications that exist when you fight compassionately for someone elses freedom. To further the matter the USA and the coalition forces have been far to tolerant with vicious war mongers who suppress societies helpless civilians. Why would a society attack someone who is upholding their rights and unselfishly giving their own blood to defend them.

It's not personal. I hate inhuman and immoral activities and I despise the lack of honour and responsibility. Incidentally, the West and especially USA are places extremely concentrated with such tendencies.

The west defends with honour the right of freedom for people abroad. The coalition forces have taken a great responsibility f

"fight for soverignity and liberty for nations abroad"

That's like giving the answers to someone who is tacking a test... if the person passes the test because of that cheating, the test results will be worthless, fake.

Sovereignty can not be "helped" from outside, as any external influence represents a breach of sovereignty in of itself.

Just like democracy can't be "transported" but must be constructed by the people of that organziation or nation from the inside otherwise it is a fake democracy. You can transport a military dictatorship with no problems, that one's true and it has been used many times in the past.

Hollywood, Question:

How would you feel if, during the struggle to remove the British rule in North America, a million armed Chinese would land on Western coast of the continent and help you remove the British?

Would you feel independent?

i dont know what really to think of this but there have been a few cases of asian men in Glasgow droping their wallet and when picked up and given to them, they are giving warnings either not to go into the city centr or braehead during december. why are these people putting the fear of god into us.

Dragomir,

Just like democracy can't be "transported" but must be constructed by the people of that organziation or nation from the inside otherwise it is a fake democracy.

So in other words I am to expect that the Democracy of the United States was formed by the Indians according to your statement.

The Democracy of the United States was formed by outside sources.

Are you saying the United States is a military dictatorship?

Sovereignty can not be "helped" from outside, as any external influence represents a breach of sovereignty in of itself.

Sovereignty can be helped, It is defined as a freedom of external control, or a controling influence.
This does not mean that outside influence cannot be used, but any such indication would have to follow the laws of the Sovereign state and not be in a controlling role.

Dragomir,
You obviously do not know American history..
The French did land on the Eastern coast and helped us remove British Rule and gain our indepenence!
And Yes we do feel independent!
Dragomir are you upset with the US for helping Romania transition from a Communist state to a Democracy?
Are you upset with the Romanian military for asking the US military to help setup training schools for you military officers?

IT NEVER SEEMS TO AMAZE ME HOW SHALLOW PEOPLES INTELECT CAN BE. I POSE THIS QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO FEELS THAT AMERICA IS THE LEADER IN PROMOTING EVIL. WHAT LANDS HAVE WE TAKEN OVER AND SET UP OUR GOVERMENT THROUGH AN ACT OF AGRRESSION. WHAT PEOPLES HAVE WE TORTURED FOR THE SAKE OF RADICAL BELIEFS. YOU MAY SAY SLAVERY BUT I CHALLENGE YOU TO SAY WE HAVE NOT TRIED TO RIGHT THAT WRONG. AMERICA IS FAR FROM PERFECT BUT WE TRY THROUGH DEBATE , FREE ELECTIONS TO PUT FORTH AN AGENDA THAT ALL WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH , LIVE BEING THE KEY WORD. I HEAR ALL THE BUSH HATERS SAYING WE FOUND NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION YET THE VERY DEFINITION OF MASS DESTRUCTION IS ANYTHING THAT CAN CAUSE MASS CASUALTIES. I SUPPOSE THE 400.000 WOMEN AND CHILDREN KURDS KILLED BY SADAM DONT QUALIFY. HE WAS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. THE PROBLEM WITH AMERICA TODAY IS WE ARE DIVIDED, IT IS OK TO DISAGREE BUT DONT DISRESPECT THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE BUSH THEN THAT IS YOUR RIGHT. USE YOUR INTELECT TO PROVE HIM WRONG BY YOUR VOTE. EVERYONE IS SAYING LETS WORK TOGETHER I WONDER IF THE DEMOCRATS WOULD OF LOST WOULD THAT STILL BE ON THE TABLE. I KNOW SOME OF YOU THINK I AM REPUBLICAN WELL IM NOT. I DO NOT LIMIT MY IDEAS AND PERSONAL BELIEFS TO ONE PARTY THAT IS WHY I AM A TRUE AMERICAN. IT IS YOUR TURN ARE YOU LIMITED?

wake up america why do you think were in iraq? to fight terrorist on thier soil, just as the people asked of mr bush.keep in mind all our solders signed paperwork that said they were willing to die to protect the wusses that run thier mouths still here in america,not realizing they are fighting for our freedom, from terrorist who would use a nuke to say hi.let the men and women of the armed forces do thier job.stop sniveling and whining, unless you hate your freedom.

Hollywood,
remember the settlers? your ancestors? they killed the indians way before the democracy machine started.

"This does not mean that outside influence cannot be used, but any such indication would have to follow the laws of the Sovereign state and not be in a controlling role."

when is the last time a large mass of people asked for your help (except the Palestinians which Congress ignores) ?

OK, here comes the ironic part:

As it has been stated by Israel's leaders, "don't worry about America, we control America and they know it" and "Congress is occupied Israeli territory", your country has lost its sovereignty. ADL, the Jewish Congress, AIPAC... they dominate Washington and New York. Right now in Israel a new center has opened that honours Bush. You know why?

Because there's a huge Israeli Elephant in the Oval Office. Your republicans, the neocons, have joined been working as a team with the Zionists leaders wonderfully. Your republicans have raped and maimed your Constitution, if you're not aware of it, try reading the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act and compare it to what your constitution says. But there's more, from January 2007 a new Bill will be passed which states that the president has the right to call Martial Law and National Guard in any state, without the need for an approval from Congress. Also, in the past 6 years new detention camps have been build ot refurbished with brand new fences, rail track, watch towers and large chambers. Bush says it's for the immigrants, all though there's a big fence on the Mexico border. While your republicans placed the foundations of a military fascist state, your Zionist friends from AIPAC have been shaping the foreign policy of USA in the Middle East. They're bipartisan, but have managed to work very well with Bush. If you don't believe me, check out www.aipac.

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Yes, very. I was upset before because i hate dictators, but now it's worse. It's not a dictator, is a rich elite subtly controlling the country. Corruption runs rampant thanks to capitalist loopholes, our industries were sold for symbolic sums. We actually have a set World record here, the cheepest Steel Industry privatization: $500.000. Wow, thank you privatization, that's wonderful. A tone of workers laid off and higher prices for steel, great, thanks again.

Right now our national gas company has been sold, and the only benefit the people get from it is... higher prices. The farmers are losing lands and we import more and more food and crap which is hiking up prices even more. From 2007 we'll be in the EU too, more trouble as all the giants come in a wipe out the small business, with higher financial power and international regulations normal people can't afford, ever.

It sucks and the kids are becoming very stupid being distracted by superficial commercial trends instead of learning about the World and how things work. Thousands of economists, woopie, more crooks, while building and farming, the essential jobs for survival are being ridiculed. Righ now, on the boulevard my flat is, there are 11 Banks. So in an area of 3 KM there are 11 BANKS and more to come probably. Not ATMs, BANKS. Probably in case you want to buy a beer and have to take a loan first. There are actually less shops than banks on this street, and it's a RESIDENTIAL area, not "down town".

Take it back please, I piss upon capitalism.

Democracy is WORTHLESS unless you have a GOOD variety to choose from. If it's between an evil and a lesser evil, I'll go boo in the streets. That's not democracy, that's fake democracy. It's worse than a dictatorship because it lies to people and fools them into thinking they run the country, while a bunch of rich old bastards are running everything. At least when there's a dictator you can rise up and po

The West can never prevail against an enemy like Islamic Jihad. We are too politically correct. The name 9/11 is so American, so sanitized. It reveals neither victim nor villain. But it’s perfect for politically-correct Americans who shun blaming and abhor judging. It embodies a globalized social order which would rather wound itself than violate the political-correctness code against its multicultural friends. No matter that many of these “friends” openly espouse the annihilation of all western culture and replacing western democracies with Islamic states. The tolerance that forms the very core of our society teaches us to respect their aggressive and primitive worldview as simply different from ours. Different, but equal. Less than equality would be thought judgmental. We thus embrace Islam as an expansion of our own culturally-diverse heritage.

Western society is based on the reverence for truth. It tirelessly seeks out errors in our worldview to better understand and utilize that world. We are taught that that makes us no better than those who cling to a reality driven by some ancient, sacred scripture which twists every life decision around absurd religious dogma.

Political correctness is not just a social eccentricity to be poked at by comedians. War on Terrorism has become the accepted euphemism for War on Islamic Jihad. But we cannot prevail against an enemy we are afraid to name. Future historians may call political correctness the Achilles’ heel of Western Democracy.

...You have the iraqis dying like flies. You got palestinians living in concentration camps that are worse than dachau. You got US soldiers butchering 14 year old defenceless iraqi girls and raping them then killing them in cold blood because they are so passionate they want to help them! And America has killed more Iraqis than Saddam could ever has dreamt of doing...well, now they say that they own all knowledge in the world and that iran does not have the right to use some science and technology they have researched!!! That they have to seek permission from washinton to enrich uranium!! I am not a fan of amadinejad or extremism but that just is the recipe of the end of the worl as we know it! I will not be particularly surprised (AND ACTUALLY GLADDENED) if Iran test its nuclear weapon soon! Why? Because the US did not ask anybody when they created the bomb and roasted the Japs! It is arrogant to say who can have what knowledge and who cant. That is why this world is going to go down! When you of terrorists: Please save the grace by including george bush, donald rumsfeld, and dick cheney along side bin laden and zargawi as they have caused lots of deaths than many people alike today whether want to admit it or not.where saddam is hanged, it doesnt make sense not to hang one of these fellows: it was not the iraqis who are dying now who armed him in the first place, it wasnt afghanis who trained and made bin laden monster when he fought the russians: it is only fair to ask who did..even when the rapes bluder and murder committed us in guantanamo abhu ghraib are made to sound like

...You have the iraqis dying like flies. You got palestinians living in concentration camps that are worse than dachau. You got US soldiers butchering 14 year old defenceless iraqi girls and raping them then killing them in cold blood because they are so passionate they want to help them! And America has killed more Iraqis than Saddam could ever has dreamt of doing...well, now they say that they own all knowledge in the world and that iran does not have the right to use some science and technology they have researched!!! That they have to seek permission from washinton to enrich uranium!! I am not a fan of amadinejad or extremism but that just is the recipe of the end of the worl as we know it! I will not be particularly surprised (AND ACTUALLY GLADDENED) if Iran test its nuclear weapon soon! Why? Because the US did not ask anybody when they created the bomb and roasted the Japs! It is arrogant to say who can have what knowledge and who cant. That is why this world is going to go down! When you of terrorists: Please save the grace by including george bush, donald rumsfeld, and dick cheney along side bin laden and zargawi as they have caused lots of deaths than many people alike today whether want to admit it or not.where saddam is hanged, it doesnt make sense not to hang one of these fellows: it was not the iraqis who are dying now who armed him in the first place, it wasnt afghanis who trained and made bin laden monster when he fought the russians: it is only fair to ask who did..even when the rapes bluder and murder committed us in guantanamo abhu ghraib are made to sound like

I am disturbed by some of the comments made about the U.S.'s uses of an atomic bomb in Japan

First off it was two bombs

We dropped a Uranium based bomb on Hiroshima.....and Japan's government refused to surrender

We dropped a more powerful Plutonium bomb on Nagasaki 3 days later ...and Japan's government refused to surrender

But fortunately these two events couldn't be hidden from Japans Emporer and he violated his own constitution and ordered Japan to surrender.....and the Japanese Military STAGE A COUP to try and stop him.

Japan's military planners had been planning on making America do a very bloody invasion one that would cause over 1,000,000 American casualties and roughly 12 times that number in Japanese casualties (Arming 10 year old girls with spears and having them charge machine gun nests...and so on) in the hope that America would be so horrified that it would give up.

The use of these weapons brought about the end of the war with over 12,000,000 fewer casualties.

A few years later we could have used the same weapons in Korea but there was no "casualty reduction"in fact more people would have died from using them, so we didn't.

We could easily kill every person in a country like Iran in roughly 20 minutes if we chose to, the oil safe from contamination hundreds of feet below ground could then be claimed as "spoils of war" and who could stop us? The fact that nations such as Iran are COUNTING on us using restraint says more about the United States moral courage than all of its detractors can ever say.

Well i just read the post above mine and he's certainly trying isn't he.

the people of the united states are good people its the government that are the crooked wanting war jerks who only care for themselves

The main reason for the Palestinians plight is the Palestinians.

Example:You live in a land where the main source of income is from tourism ...so strapping bombs on your own children and sending them into cafe's and shopping malls to see how many Jews you can kill WILL DEFINiTELY HURT YOUR ECONOMY.

Example:Your government is dependent on foriegn aid from the United States so when you elect a party into power that is calling for the destruction of the United States guess what ...NATIONS DON'T NORMALLY FUND THIER ENEMIES!

Example:Yassar Arafat and his followers were given sanctuary by the king of Jordan , Arafat showed his appreciation by trying to stage a coup and assassinate the king AND FOR SOME STRANGE REASON NOBODY TRUSTS THE P.L.O.

The real shame of this is if the Palestinians had embraced the techniques of Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr.(Two men who succeeded) instead of murdering civilians the west would have forced Israel to give Palestine independence and they would have a vibrant tourism industry to go with it.So they are still occupied and poorer than ever thanks to the very thing they thought would give them independence, now thats irony!

Right now the only argument they are left with is "Hey we are poor(self inflicted) and Israels rich so we're the good guys" and hope it plays well in a class-warfare centric Europe.

Its almost as foolish as when fundamentalists in Chechnya decided to attack Russia AFTER Russia agreed to withdraw peacefully becase they wanted to be able to say that they "Drove the Russians out!" and then stood there just shocked when the Russian forces turned around and came back in....well after the world community pressured Russia into withdrawing again the same Fundamentalists decided to blow up apartments in Russia as revenge...so Russia goes right back in and levels the place and the fundamentalist blame everyone but themselves for both of the wars.

If it wasn't such a

Saddeek #101 & 102

"You have the iraqis dying like flies."

Yes iraqis are dying like flies and the majority of them are being killed by their fellow muslims. Sectarian violence sunni against shia and vice versa. As I said before, the US and UK are partly to blame for this mess as we didnt prepare properly for what would happen once we toppled saddam hussein but lets keep things in perspective. Its muslims killing muslims that is the reason for so many deaths in iraq.

"You got palestinians living in concentration camps that are worse than dachau"

This comment is just utter nonsense not to mention completely insulting to hundreds of thousands of jews and roma who were killed in dachau. The palestinians are suffering greatly but they have themselves to blame. They elected a terrorist group as their government and left the west no choice but to stop financial aid to the palestinian authority. Dont get me wrong. The israelis arent exactly whiter than white either but to compare palestinian suffering to a concentration camp is asinine. The palestinians voted in a government that has worsended their situation. The jews gassed in dachau didnt have any choice about losing their lives.

Here's an interesting article about a historian's view of WWII and the Iraq War.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=t...

You talk so well# 103. It just forces me to respond. You so want all of us to believe that fellow love blowing themselves up because it is fun! Well, that looks that cant be the case...people have grievances that are higher than hope! When you are face with a country that has given itself the right to the world and morality ( never mind that even the vote of mark foley counted to invade Iraq!) it should suprise anybody! America has the money to sanitise everything .... Mark Foley can as well be an angel, and by the way dont Dick Chenney go to church on Sunday?

But anyway, disociate matters of moral roles and pure jingoism and terrorism. When America intervenes in Iraq it is the oil the want deep under the earth. Little wonder then that Iraq was invaded after the manufacture of the most fictitious reasons of the century. Did you know that the bad blood between US and Iran came about as a result of the US involvement in the overthrow of a popular democratically elected government there in 1953? Probably you are not aware. Issues have been so obfuscated in a bid to create wars in order to secure "spoils of war" I would be damned to think that Dick Cheney so loves Moslems that he is so moved by their plight when he has said and done such outrageous things like opposing the Sanctions against apartheid south Africa because they "have minerals that the free world needs!" It does not matter that millions of people were living in bondage! What mattered was the spoils! And there lies my point! America would invade Vietnam in 1960s to "liberate" whatever that cliche means, others while African Americans lives at the time in some sort of Bondage and no liberty...a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then but if you think the motivations have changed, then you got it coming!

Oh Dragonmir..while you are correct that Japan was in negotiations with Russia to end the war there's three things that made those negotiations useless

1. Japan had no intention of surrendering they just wanted a truce so they could re-arm and resupply, captured documents cleary state this, and any President who was foolish enough to give Japan a truce would have been immediately impeached.

2.Russia was not at war with Japan,although they did declare war the day after Hiroshima.

3. Because Russia was planning on declaring war on Japan so that they could claim more territory (as they did in Europe) Russia wasn't telling the U.S. anything about the talks and was not passing on any messages to the U.S. from Japan even though they told Japan they would.

Hey saddeek. Reality check

1. WE DONT GET OIL FROM IRAQ!!!! in fact we had a 10 year long oil embargo against them, almost all of Iraqs oil goes to Europe and China.Almost all of our imported oil comes from Mexico and central America (look at a map and you'll see why)

2. We didnt overthrow a democracy in Iran we got the blame for it because the Shah decided to ally himself with us afterwards instead of the soviets and we couldn't turn his offer down since it would've given the soviets control of Iran.

3. South Vietnam was our ally and asked us to come in to protect them from a communist dictatorship that was at war with them, we abandoned south vietnam after it became apparent that the Military dictatorship that overthrew the Democracy we originally came to protect was just as bad as the Communist dictatorship we were fighting.(the picture of a south Vietnamese cop blowing the brains out of a HANDCUFFED man was the final straw).

4. Firing on American aircraft over 3000 times between 1992-2002 is over 3000 acts of war.Holding a press conference to announce that you are giving a $30,000 reward to people who commit terroist acts against your Allies is an act of war.Trying to Assassinate a former president is an act of war(current presidents father).So it turns out we were wrong about his Chem/biological weapons....Its amazing how some people convienently forget all the acts of war Saddam commited against us and only talk about the one reason for war that turned out to be wrong.

5.People think the USA has this vast spy network,we do IN RUSSIA, but we have almost no presence in the mid-east and we rely on our allies for intelligence/spying AND WE GOT LIED TO by countries that wanted the "Oil for food Program" to continue indefinitely, also Saddam was afraid of invasion from Iran (Since we had just destroyed his Airforce/Armor/infantry) so as a deterent he decided to try and convince Iran he had rebuilt his WMD's and w

Bugged #109 You make some very interesting worthy points and quite a bit of what you said I agree with. There is one thing I would like to draw attention to:

"So it turns out we were wrong about his Chem/biological weapons"

At the time of the second invasion of iraq we now know that saddam had no chemical or biological weapons stockpiles. The simple fact is, though, that saddam had previously held such weapons and used them most notably against the kurds.

Thankfully after the 1st gulf war our weapons inspectors did manage to destroy most, if not all, of saddams stockpile but what did remain was the technical expertise and personnal to resurrect such weapons at a later date. I believe that if saddam had been left in power much longer that he would have restarted his chemical weapons programmes.

Bugged
" We didnt overthrow a democracy in Iran we got the blame for it because the Shah decided to ally himself with us afterwards instead of the soviets and we couldn't turn his offer down since it would've given the soviets control of Iran."

LOL? Have you been living in a cave with cable TV?

There are clear CIA declassified documents which say there was a broad operation to overthrow Mosadek and install the Shah. What? do you think Iranians overthrew Mosadek because he nationalized the Oil industry to give them more money like the true patriot he was?

How blind are you ?????

Bugged,

Iran would invade Iraq? are you nuts? Iran is ruled by a religious Islamic fundamentalist leader, they do NOT LIKE WAR. Millions of Iranians died in the Iraq - Iran war - which was started by SADDAM, Iran attacking Iraq would've caused a major civil war, and they knew it! They were unfriendly with USA, what would they attack Iraq if USA was bombing Iraq? That would only bring USA to attack both Iran and Iraq. Remember? "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ?????

Bugged,

4. Firing on American aircraft over 3000 times between 1992-2002 is over 3000 acts of war.Holding a press conference to announce that you are giving a $30,000 reward to people who commit terrorist acts against your Allies is an act of war.Trying to Assassinate a former president is an act of war(current presidents father)

What were American aircraft doing in those parts? Ever heard of the term "violation of air space" ? You're talking about acts of WAR? LOL. The sanctions imposed on Iraq plus the effects of Desert Storm caused the death of almost 2 million civilians. Sanctions are an act of WAR!

And you mean the assassination attempt on Bush Sr. at the Madrid conference? I don't know of any other, but I do know that was assassination was attempted by MOSSAD - blaming it a bunch of Palestinians, because Bush Sr. unlike his born-again son, wanted to create PEACE in the Middle East, and this meant no more KILLING for the IsraelDF, no more funds! Read Victor Ostrovsky's "by way of deceit".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Conference_of_1991

Well, Nuclear, Biololgical and Chemical warfare has finally come to your attention. The threat is known but the ease of employment is difficult. Look at the Al-Queda canine experiments with CWA. Look at the GB artillery rounds that have been located in Iraq by OIF forces. Look at the history of Iraqi and Iranian chemical warfare. Look at the island off your coast that is still contaminated with biological weapons. Synthetic biology is an emerging science. Nuclear detonations, whether they be subsurface, surface, or airburst achieve desired target effects only if critical mass is achieved. So far the terrorist network has not achieved critical mass in laboratory or training locations. Now, high explosives is another story.

Bugged:

Well bugged, you still just cant come off that crass high tower you place US on. It doesn't belong there! You will never be right to say that you OWN the right to know what is right for the world! Lets start with your position that Saddam wanted to kill George Bush. Well, he may have harbored such vile schemes which is very very wrong. But how many times have the GOD presidents of the US "authorized" the killing of other presidents starting with Fidel Castro. Hey Kennedy "Authorized" his killing as if he was GOD. You talk about CIA and Congress as if they are GOD tools when we all know that they can as well be tools of pure devilry Whoever gave the power to US presidents to 'authorize' the killing of others??? No matter, it should be GOD who gives life and who takes life and that is why you will never succeed in having me see the difference between terrorists like Osama bin Laden, George Bush Ariel Sharon etc. They all advocate for the taking of life when they have no RIGHT to do so. We hope they all burn in Hell.

Separate also acts of goodness by America and other interests like. Strategic interests not liberation! or testing new weapons!

By the way 1,000,000 children died in Iraq between 92-2002 because of the sanctions. There were no weapons remeber. Unless of course the million babies were terrorists!!!!!!!

And what, pray do you mean when you prescribe democracy as if it were an elixir?? Democracy as we know now is what America wants! Not what the people want!! If you doubt me, ask the Palestinians!!! They went to the polls and elected what they thought they wanted little knowing that that was not the definition of Democracy from Washington. They elected a government which we don't want! They got the sanctions immediately!!! Need I say that anybody who questions this very open anomaly is branded extremist??? Just because a viewpoint is different? It is noteworthy that Tehran runs electi

....Back to your GOD given country. There was an interesting twist during the elections. John Kerry. ( Who admitted having participated in atrocities in Vietnam and spoke about it) Just like another soldier admitted this week that they raped a 14 year old Iraqi and murdered the parents for, perhaps sport.

Said that if you are not smart you end up getting stuck in Iraq. That is true! Didn't even conservative TV channels hope he meant it?? Well, in a sense it is true! It is those fellows who are dumb enough to into the hype of being patriotic as same as military service...those who push this themselves did not go to serve in wars! Ask Hannity or Oreilly why they did not go to Vietnam!!! They were smart! They did homework! And for sure they did not get stuck in Vietnam!!! Kerry almost did but he was smart!!!!!!!
One thing from Vietnam though. Remember the tunnel rats? The blokes behind desks in Washington asked young men to hunt down the Cong in tunnels armed with Pocket knives! The fellows in the tunnels were defending their country! They were at home and they knew how to handle intruders coming into their foxholes! Taking orders to execute that talks a wee bit of your nature of smartness, I mean, but don't we expect soldiers to take orders especially if your country is the most infallible in the world and they know what is best even for me in this room in Rabat?

sadeek #115
By the way 1,000,000 children died in Iraq between 92-2002 because of the sanctions. There were no weapons remeber. Unless of course the million babies were terrorists!!!!!!!"

No sadeek, if 1,000,000 children died in iraq between 92, 2002 it was because saddam decided to spend iraqs money on lavish palaces for himself and on his army.

The US sanctions system allowed saddam to sell oil in order to buy food and medicines etc for his people through the UN Oil for Food programme. Saddam used corrupt practices to spend this money on himself and his palaces instead of for feeding his people. His choice. Not Americas. The blame for those deaths lies squarely with saddam hussein not with america.

Gladomir said
remember the settlers? your ancestors? they killed the indians way before the democracy machine started

I was hoping you would make that comment you are so predictable sometimes. (Fact) Indians still live in the USA they have been granted their own land and receive a monthly paycheck from the government every month just for being a native.

Question;
The Native Americans were killed how?

They are still a part of western society today!

Gladomir stated;
when is the last time a large mass of people asked for your help (except the Palestinians which Congress ignores) ?

That would be today. Do you know by whom?

Gladomir states;
Your republicans have raped and maimed your Constitution, if you're not aware of it, try reading the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act and compare it to what your constitution says. But there's more, from January 2007 a new Bill will be passed which states that the president has the right to call Martial Law and National Guard in any state, without the need for an approval from Congress.

Yes the republican party has made additions to the constitution, but I woud hardly call it raping. I do not agree with some terms of the patriot act. I am very aware of the bill which is an attachment and already put into law. I am also aware of other bills I do not agree with one being the bill you yourself mentioned.
Fortunately now their should be change.
The constitution was designed for change.
I do not agree with everything ever put in the constitution, but does everyone agree with everything and everyone else all of the time.

Fact is, it is the greatest ducument ever designed by man.

Oliver F, UK / 7:52pm 17 Nov 2006

Iraqis died mostly of health problems, besides the tens of thousands murdered in Desert Storm and other "surprise random bombings" (for example a shepard with his flock of sheep, bombed, it's documented, even the sheep-body-count) . There were many poor people, suffering from hunger and lack of sanitation, but the ones that died the almost 2 million, died mostly from DU contamination. Especially the kids born in that period because they were most exposed to mutated DNA. Mutations logicaly affact the cells which reproduce the fastest, in adults it causes leukemia (mutated blood cells which are the fasts reproducing) but in children, which grow very fast, it causes visible cancers and tumors and a painful death in just a few months, or they're born dead. Many other children died from diarrhea, because of lack of medicine.

Don't worry, in about a decade, most of the US troops from Iraq will have severe health problems and their new born kids will die. That should make your economy scream a bit.

The problem is that there was no available medicine to treat cancers or other problems, all UN attempts to secure aid to the Iraqis were VETOED by USA. Research it.

Hollywood,

by all means, go outside and invite a native indian to post here.

We'll talk about your "democracy" in a year from now, so we can put things in perspective, ok? If you'll still have free access internet by then.

Dragomir #119

I say again that the reason there were no medicines and bad sanitation and no food was because saddam hussein squandered the money that was raised from the oil for food program on lavish palaces for himself and his cronies. It had very little to do with US or UN sanctions.

Of course you are correct about the very serious side effects of using depleted uranium munitions. That is something the US shouldnt have done.

Do you understand what an EMBARGO means? Sanctions???

THERE WERE NO PLACES TO

B U Y

MEDICINE

Listen to Buggs:

"....We could easily kill every person in a country like Iran in roughly 20 minutes if we chose to, the oil safe from contamination hundreds of feet below ground could then be claimed as "spoils of war" and who could stop us? The fact that nations such as Iran are COUNTING on us using restraint says more about the United States moral courage than all of its detractors can ever say...."

think about this innocent musing from a 'Liberator" who champions the rights of the world...

If you are still in doubt as to what terrorism is after reading this then I do not know how best it can be defined....

# 122:

Let me throw in my two dinar worth of wisdom; Gaza has been under a blokade for as long as we care to remember. The have been embargoed.Those fellows, even if benevolent uncle Sam gave them monies to buy anything, they can't because how could they other than to burrow a tunnel out into Egypt? And by which time they will have become terrorists looking for bomb making materials? They cannot travel out their country, their sea is blockaded....they can't trade like other nations...America so loves them that they order a condencending world to administer the strictest of sanctions if they dare do stupid and terroristic things like electing who they think they want!!!
Occassionally, the IDF flies their warplanes overhead to "sonicboom" the bastards... are there terrorists in Gaza? Absolutely yes! What do you expect of a populace who have been stripped of all humanness to do? They can't leave their country by sea land etc. Their seas simply do not belong to them...so is their land ( you cant claim to own a country where Israelis walks in and out at will, kicking doors, plundering, killing) what use is a country where a foreign millitary rolls in its tanks destroys half the presidents palace when he is another section of it like they did with Arafat in Ramalah. And forget about saying that Arafat was a terorist ( he met clinton in the whitehouse and was nobel peace prize laureate??? Did I hear that?? Of course!!...And know what? We simply had better believe what we are being told by bugged. These folks are lazy, terroristic and can't help themselves. WE SHOULD NEVER ATTEMPT TO ASK WHY THEY RESIST! THEY ARE RESISITING NOTHING AND ARE SEEKING ATTENTION FOR NOTHING. THAT SHOULD BE AS SIMPLE AND BELIEVABLE AS THAT....

...I like the way these felows have a warped reasoning. A fellow like bugged foams an froths at the mouth saying that Amadinejad is advocating apocalypse while at the same time from the other end of his mouth he spews worse apocalyptic wishes that are only so clean when mouthed by an American:
This is what I talking about:

.....We could easily kill every person in a country like Iran in roughly 20 minutes if we chose to, the oil safe from contamination hundreds of feet below ground could then be claimed as "spoils of war" and who could stop us?.....

Can somebody like Oliver F tell me what significant difference this statement differs from Amadinejad's unfortunate "wipe off the face of the earth" slur??

Look me in the eye and explain it away! Oliver, the ball is in your court.

sadeek #122 & $123

Yes I understand what an embargo and sanctions are but you really should get your facts right. Food and medicines were exlucded from the sanctions. The US and UN set up the oil for food programme so that saddam could sell some oil in order to buy food and medicines for his people. He instead decided to waste the money on more palaces and his lavish lifestyle for him and his cronies.

Saddeek #126

I dont seek to explain away or justify statements that say iran could be wiped off the face of the earth in 20 minutes. While its a fact that america unfortunately has the nuclear arsenal to carry out such a policy if it so wanted. I wholeheartedly condemn such ideas. We need a world with less threats. With less suffering.

As I have said before, there will be NO peace in the middle east until both Palestinians and Israel sincerely and genuinely negotiate a true peace deal and this is not going to happen any time soon. When palestinians elect terrorists into government they arent making a vote for peace. They are voting for more death, destruction and contination of the hate.

Israel pulled out of the gaza strip and gave it back to the Palestinian Authority. A good thing for palestinians. What did the palestinians do? Immediately start smuggling even more arms into the gaza strip. Launch an attack to capture an israeli soldier. The palestinians showed israel that if they cede territory in the furtherance of peace that those intentions are misplaced. It just goes to show that the palestinians arent true partners for peace since the election of the Hamas (terrorist) government.

were exculded from the sanctions ? maybe from the initial sanctions, but every attempt by the UN to send AID, MEDICINE to Iraq was BLOCKED afterwards. Go ask some doctors how it's liket work without medical supplies, especially after bombings and DU contamination.

www.un.org

CHECK THE RESOLUTIONS TO GET AID AND MEDIC CARE TO IRAQ - - - AND WHO VETOED THEM.

Dragomir #129
Read this link:

http://www.un.org/Depts/oip

"About $31 billion worth of humanitarian supplies and equipment were delivered to Iraq under the Oil-for-Food Programme between 20 March 1997 and 21 November 2003"

Its not the UN's, US or Uk fault if saddam wasted so much money on all his palaces, army or cronies instead of his people. The un oil for food programme gave plenty of assistance to help iraq with issues such as food and medicine. Yes I am sure there were shortages of medical supplies at times. There always are, even in western countries sometimes. Its an incredibly difficult thing to organise.

Maybe if saddam hussein had spent less on his army, chemical and biological weapons programmes, aggressive acts like the iran -iraq war and invading kuwait then his country would be more prosperous and his people wouldnt have suffered so much. This is not to mention all the people he had executed by his security apparatus.

did you by any chance notice the date? ... do you know when Desert Storm started?

Yes I know when desert storm started. In the time between the end of desert storm and the beginning of the oil for food programme there wasnt any assistance to the iraqi people but saddam still went on wasting his countries money on his own lavish lifestyle and palaces and left his countrymen and women to starve.

Thats his fault. He could have stood down and this would have satisfied the US and europe and the sanctions would have been lifted. But did he? Of course not. He was a dictator. He couldnt care less about anyone other than himself and power.

ok, last question and I won't bug you anymore.

Did you know that the Desert Storm operation was stoped because the People were starting a Restience movement against Saddam? Many US commanders where pissed off at the withdrawal command, they said "Saddam would've been outsted in a few more days", and they were right, his military system was crushed - it was no match for the massive invasion force and bombing raids, but when the people started to act and uprise against Saddam, USA stoped the operation and went back to "diplomacy" and sanctions with Saddam. In USA it was declared a great clean victory (even if thousands of troops were contaminated with DU), but Saddam was still there after August 6th 1991, 4 days after the invasion started!

Some details at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Storm

UN Security Council Resolution didn't give the USA the right to go further than they did during "Desert Storm". it had nothing to do w/an uprising.

Dragomir,

I live next to an Indian reservation, I am friends and relatives with them, in fact I know many on a personal basis but thanks for the advice anyway.

Dragomir #133 The fact that the US, UK and allies didnt go all the way to baghdad and remove saddam in the first gulf war is one of the worst mistakes of modern times. We left the iraqi people at the non-existant mercy of saddam hussein for another 12 years and damn do I wish that we hadnt. They didnt deserve that one bit.

I'm glad you feel angry about it, but I'm am surprised you didn't question "why?" they left...

"why?" makes a man wise ...