What was Elton John saying about homophobic clergy the other day?

Most clergy, it would seem, are well placed to have an opinion on this subject.

God created Adam first, and then Eve, to be his partner not Adam to Adam or Eve to Eve. Man plus Woman is equals to offspring then, you can call it a "family" then your children will call you, Mommy! Daddy! not Daddy daddy! or mommy mommy!.. A "NORMAL" person attracts the opposite SEX. It's like a magnet, North pole and South pole attract each other. "But if a person attracts the same sex" you can call it "ABNORMAL'. or if Manshe/Sheman when they watch themselves infront of the mirror and "ask themselves, who am i, a woman or a man? They don't know what body they are in , then this disease or illness you can call it "Alzeimer disease" or "amnesia" you forgot who you are. Then we need a Psychopathic Hospital to treat these "Abnormal People".They are mentally unfit for marriage, they are going to destroy the meaning of "Marriage" that was created by God. My message to these abnormals ? Stop mocking the sanctity of Marriage, Leave the marriage alone! If you wanna do it, do it "in private" not in public "that's disgusting".

The article doesn't really say much about the clergy or religious groups beyond the second sentence.

If I understand your post, Malky, yeah, too right! - it's the hypocrisy, innit?

Androsthenes, what do you mean by homophobic clergy? Maestra, hypocrisy? I don't get it, where is the hypocrisy?

Homosexuals cannot marry and will never be able to. They might have some document from the government but they are not married. Quite simply the very fact that they are both the same sex means that they cannot give themselves to each other, totally, fruitfully and faithfully.

Umm, topcat, how do you figure they cannot give to each other totally, faithfully? Fruitfully, yes, they cannot have children by the other partner, but thats not exactly a definition of marriage these days, since something like a third of the young couples I know arent planning on children.

Guthrie, how does this redefine marriage? ...and does that mean that the other two thirds are planning on having children? Anyway, the third of young couples can still engage in genital union...homosexuals physically cannot do this. Let me clarify as well Guthrie, that a man and a woman can also be in a false marriage and be holding back from one another, e.g. contracepting.

Those homosexuals who wish to 'marry' (depending on one's definition of the word) clearly do not share the clergy's beliefs. Should the clergy then have a say in what they are allowed to do?

Since 'marriage' per se does not harm anyone else, I say no. (As to the adoption of children, that is another debate.)

Marriage like religion is a crock o' s***e anyway but I can see their reasons for wanting it, having been denied it by the establishment and holy rollers for so long. As far as the definition of marriage is concerned I imagine it comes in many shapes and forms to suit whichever religion, culture, backwater shanty town or mega city you currently reside in. Oh not forgetting whichever current superstition is protesting the odious crime of marriage for gays.

Is that our society's thought pattern Doreen, "we want it so we should get it?"

Gay marriage in Africa - This will just promote a further increase in Aids.
In some of the poorer African countries money is so short and the value of life so low that $1-$10 can buy you love for the night. Some young poor African boys might be tempted into the industry to get money for food or family support?

Jockyw "Gay marriage in Africa - This will just promote a further increase in Aids."

Just FYI: getting married is not what gives you AIDS. I would hate to think that you were holding off getting married because you believed that with the marriage certificate came HIV.

HTH. HAND.

Ahh topcat, you appear to be using a religiously inspired definition. Meanwhile, in reality religion didnt intrude into marriage in Europe until the 13/14th century. BEfore that it was essentially a civil partnership agreement.
A clergyman should be free to refuse to perform a marriage ceremony for a homosexual couple, but they cannot have a right of veto over the wider populace.

#11 JanefaeLeith, thanks for your comments. I am married. No I realise that getting married does not come with a HIV certificate.
Having lived & worked in different parts of Africa I can comment on facts that the poor are drawn into the sex industry for as little as $1. Much more needs to be achieved regarding Aids in Africa. In parts of Africa young men & women are just trying to survive on a $1 a day - great shame that their politicians are corrupt and embezzle all sorts of funding.
I raised cash & items for orphanages in 1997 and was fortunately informed by a local expat not to hand over any cash but to spread the money to different orphanages. All sites had toilets & showers constructed and milking life stock purchased.

My original point suggests that gay marriage acceptance will only promote a growth in concerns but looking at it again it might draw more awareness to the subject. Always pro's & con's.

I have been following this story for the last few days. The law is written so that it does not force the clergy to marry someone they do not think should be married. Just because it is legal does not mean that they will be able to find someone in the clergy to perform the ceremony.

Jockyw: <I>Having lived & worked in different parts of Africa I can comment on facts that the poor are drawn into the sex industry for as little as $1.</I>

And a marriage certificate? Seriously, this is what is so weird: you seem to be suggesting, either directly or indirectly, that people in Africa who become HIV positive do so because they can get married. Your new argument that people are more likely to be drawn into the sex industry in Africa if they are legally married seems, on the face of it, to be absurd.

Guthrie, I appreciate your stance but I cannot believe that marriage was not linked to religion (in Europe) until the 13th/14th century. Marriage was something deeply religious for the Jewish people and this was also carried on by Christians.

Homosexuals are not being done any favours by having their every whim catered for, especially when it is some disordered and mediocre imitation of marriage. Referring back to Sir Elton John, I would say that this is real hatred. Totally disrespectful to the beauty that is marriage between a man and a woman, giving themselves completely to each other and open to the gift of new life. This is the real hatred in our society, the attack on marriage and the family. Our society will continue on a downward spiral until the government recognises the huge errors it has committed in the name of equality.

since when are civil rights/human rights a 'whim'?

And 17, I would say the biggest attack on marriage is coming from straight people, who (if the stats are to be believed) don't seem to feel the same way about 'the beauty that is marriage' - guffaw!!!

17....agree with you there Topcat, it is a disordered and mediocre marriage.........let them have the full bhoona, in the chapel wae a priest, big white frock and all the trappings of timeless tradition!

Man to man, woman to woman? are they sick? do it in private (i don't care), not in public please, that's disgusting. I got the "goose bump" when i imagined it. ew!! Do they suffer "alzeimer"?

Opposite sex is not good enough. Reverse phsychology, that must be it.

I cannot comment on this topic too?

Gay marriage? who is the bride and the groom? If the marriage song is being played, are you going to sing ," here's comes the bride" , "the bride's is waiting"? or "here come's the groom", the groom is waiting". this is "insanity". How they can reproduce chilren of their own? adoption? so, these children they gonna be just like them? Petiful abnormal human beings. If they wanna do it, God! "not in public" for God sake.