Correction to headline - should read - this week's hostages released by Taliban ..... this will be the way of the future - as it has been the way of the past for millenia there.

Headline should read, "South Korea Sells Out for Hostages' Release!" or "Taliban Gains More Leverage in Afghanistan Thanks to South Korea"

At least it will keep the missionary groups out.

#3- Do you mean there will be no missionary positions allowed in Taliban Land?

wat...they didnt capitate them?...must have been another "goodwill gesture"

Honest Jock..some of the gitmo detainees have been refused by their home countries. What should happen to them?
Others have begged not to be sent back to their home countries for fear of being tortured..What should we do with them?
By your post, I am not sure who you are talking to, but what ever possessed you to say rabid zionist provocateur? Where did that come from? And why is it that if you disagree with someone you become
a bigot yourself?

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Really like who for instance? can you name them and what about their families have their families refused to have them back?
And can you name the prisoners who have been released and refused to go back?
and what about the rest when can they expect to be tried? what happened to due process? what happened to the basic principle of the presumtion of innocence? why is the US so afraid to put these people on trial?

Infantiles posts would do a rabid zionist proud he obviously has an anti Islamic agenda as do you.
You however have already identified yourself as Jewish if not zionist I dont relate the two by the way anymore than I relate the Taleban to Islam or the Republican party to America or the IRA to catholism.

:) Nice one Jock.

Due process? The detainees who are in Gitmo are enemy combatants..not criminals..ordinary criminals.
They fight for no recognized army, and are not in any uniform. What rights should they have?

They will be tried hopefully by military tribunals, but probably not.
I cannot name the prisoner I read about, but I will try to find it. His own lawyer asked they he not be sent back. But like I said..I will try and find it.

As I read your offensive post, and it is offensive..I will explain one thing...I am Jewish..I am not a zionist (although there is nothing wrong with being one), but I will tell you, most of the anti-Jews on these posts use that as interchangeable definitions, and it is said with such venom and hate, and made to sound "dirty". I do not like it, and I would appreciate it if you would stop. Because you are a bigot, doesn't mean you have to prove it.

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How do you know they were enemy combatants?
most of them were dragged from their homes in the early hours of the morning by snatch squads and transported in secret the same night because somebody somewhere accused them of being terrorists or insurgents. No proof was asked for or given.
If any proof is available now then why isnt it presented? if they are guilty then there must be proof otherwise they are innocent thats how due process works or how its supposed to work.

They will be tried hopefully by military tribunals,

HOPEFULLY? and what if they arent why havent they been tried already? some of them have been there for years surely enough time to build a case so why not present it to the world?
even you cant be this blind and ignorant.

Zionism represents for Judasim what the Taleban and Islamic extremists represent for Islam they are all the same with nothing but ideology to seperate them. Just like Stalins communists were no better than Hitlers Nazis but neither represented Russia nor Germany.
And I find extremism offensive no matter what quarter or ideal it comes from.

you cannot name the prisoner or the lawyer how about the sourse of the claim then can you name that at least?

The Taleban are just an illiterate bunch of jumped-up numpties who have pretensions of sanity and religiosity.

They are Islamist terrorists and a scourge on the face of the earth.

Canada has just declared that we WILL NOT give into terroristic ploys such as these because they just engender more kidnappings, demands for ransom, tortures, beheadings - you name it.

The Taleban are an affront to Islam and are apostates who should be given some of their own medicine - beheading is too good for these filthy, flea-ridden peasants and rapist/murderers.

Honest Jock..I receive somewhere between 20-25 sources every morning. My grandson and I are keeping a daily record of the Afghan-Iraq Wars for future use...I will check back into each and everyone of them from the Arab World News to Yahoo..and I will find it. If you like I can name them all for you but that seems ridiculous at this point.. I said I would check for it, and my word is good, but then again I'm Jewish, so you might not want to take my word for it.
BTW anyone that supports Israel and her right to exist is considered a zionist...so I would be very cautious about what you say.

Some Gitmo Prisoners Don't Want to Go Home

Mar 6 07:46 PM US/Eastern
By BEN FOX
Associated Press Writer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) - Fearing militants or even their own governments, some prisoners at Guantanamo Bay from China, Saudi Arabia and other nations do not want to go home, according to transcripts of hearings at the U.S. prison in Cuba.
Uzbekistan, Yemen, Algeria and Syria are also among the countries to which detainees do not want to return. The inmates have told military tribunals that they or their families could be tortured or killed if they are sent back.

President Bush has said the United States transfers detainees to other countries only when it receives assurances that they will not be tortured. Critics say such assurances are useless. The U.S. has released or transferred 267 prisoners and has announced plans to do the same with at least 123 more in the future.

Inmates have told military tribunals they worry about reprisals from militants who will suspect them of cooperating with U.S. authorities in its war on terror. Others say their own governments may target them for reasons that have nothing to do with why they were taken to Guantanamo Bay in the first place.

A man from Syria who was detained along with his father pleaded with the tribunal for help getting them political asylum—in any country that will take them.

"You've been saying 'terrorists, terrorists.' If we return, whether we did something or not, there's no such things as human rights. We will be killed immediately," he said. "You know this very well."

It is impossible to know how many of the detainees, most held for years now without being charged, fear going home. The U.S. military does not comment on individual cases, and the detainees generally are not in a position to offer any evidence of persecution as they plead their cases before the tribunals.

A Saudi identified only as Ya

I'm not afraid to die. We all belong to Allah and we shall return to him," he said.

This Uzbek's fate is unknown, as is that of almost every other detainee whose names are no longer blacked out when they appear in the hearing transcripts. The Bush administration has not said who has been held in the prison it opened in January 2002, and does not announce when or where individual detainees are released.

What the Pentagon has said is that 187 prisoners have been released, and 80 others have been transferred to prisons in more than a dozen countries, including Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Russia, Bahrain and Pakistan. An unknown number of these prisoners were later released, but many languish in other jails, again without charges, let alone trials.

"We have no authority to tell another government what they are going to do with a detainee," Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico told the AP a year ago when asked about dozens of Pakistani prisoners transferred home for continued detention.

The personal threats that detainees may face after leaving Guantanamo Bay pose a human rights challenge to the United States, which has stopped bringing new prisoners to the camp and is under international pressure to close it altogether.

"This policy of handing over prisoners to countries that the U.S. challenges on their human rights abuses is a sham and it opens the United States to charges of hypocrisy around the world," said Rep. Edward Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat who has sought passage of a bill that would ban the U.S. from sending prisoners to other countries to face torture.

In the case of one group of prisoners, Muslims from western China known as Uighurs, the U.S. has struggled to find a solution.

A military tribunal has determined that five are "no longer enemy combatants" and can be released from Guantanamo Bay. The U.S. agrees they could face persecution back in China but so far has no

These guys are not a risk to anyone. They should be released here."

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Associated Press Writer Paul Haven contributed to this story from Pakistan.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Honest Jock..that's one article...I do not have the time to look for the rest at this moment..but I think it is sufficient.

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So your sourses are the interegators working from Gitmo are you for real woman?
Are you saying they would rather stay incarcerated at Gitmo than return home to their families because the staff at Gitmo said so during their interegations?

And it doesnt explain what they are doing in Gitmo in the first place does it now?
or are you going to claim they broke in cos they were feared of their own government?

Honest Jock...If I gave all the interviews and news you would say the same thing..you are not worth my time or effort..you should have been gracious and thanked me for MY EFFORTS...but you turned out to be the low life your mouth has made you out to be.
Some of these "innocent people" who have returned to the countries, have been found again on the battlefields ..most of them dead...

20 Lynne

If somebody had incarcerated me for years for no reason then I think I would be angry enough to join a group willing to help me get revenge.
I will bet that some of the lets call them detainees are actually indocrinated for the first time because of their incarceration and become willing fighters for any cause that allows them to get back at the people who ruined their lives.

You still havent come up with the answer as to why these people were incarcerated in the first place if they are innocent? how many more do you think are innocent? and why hasnt a single detainee been tried in any court as yet even a military one? lack of evidence maybe?

Honest Jock..there have been detainees tried, some sent back too..but I have no intention of going back into my files looking for them for you...you'll have to find these answers yourself. I am done..researching for you..it is unappreciated.
What's more..I have files that date back to 9/11..every day. Your turn...you look it up.

#7-honest-Since the prisoners are afraid to go back to their own homeland, who BTW-dont really want them, maybe you can house and be responsible for them. You can set up an "adopt a jihadist" program.

All but two (dead) released - must say that I am surprised at their good fortune. But, I'm sure that in short order there will be more hostages to comment upon now that its open season on foreigners in Afganistan.

Infantile

You dont make points or arguments to counter you only express vile opinions and that can only be countered by pointing it out. If you have anything substansive to say then say it dont rant and rave like a rabid physco about something you know nothing about because of some vile predudice you hold. What happened anyway did yer missus run off with a Muslim milkman?

I can agree with the second part of your statement, but not the first. The Taleban very much ARE Islam.

No they are not again just your own vile opinion and not fact they are no more representative of Islam than Irgun were representative of Judasim or the IRA were representative of catholism.
You really are a sick vile git.

25
It was your government that adopted them in the first place now they dont know what to do with them maybe if they had tried harder to arrest the guilty instead they wouldnt have this problem now eh?
And talking about afraid when are the average couragous US citizens going to start taking the vacations abroad again?

Honest Jock - if and when US citizen do resume taking their holidays abroad again - hopefully they will be smart enough to avoid the US-hating Scotland; home of the worst and most expensive resturant, hotel and associated services around.

28 Conan

Stop trying to be a troll we have enough of those tossers already as has been pointed out many times already critisism of US government foreign policy is not tantamount to hating the US or its citizens. The republican nazi party is not representative of the US even when they try so hard to rap themselves up with the star spangled banner. They are actually a loathsome self serving minority extremist group who have to rely heavily on the complacency of the non voter to get into and to stay in power and of course a corrupt electoral system disguising itself unsuccessfully as a democracy.

Wrong, as usual, #29 - wrong as usual.

#27-jock-"when are the average couragous US citizens going to start taking the vacations abroad again?" - ????? Are ya sh@tting me?

I think our govt should keep them there & hope the cry from the libs and ilks like you dont get to them. BTW-Are you refusing to participate in adopting and being responsible for the jihadists? Should be no problem if you think they're innocent.

#28-Conan-We are taking vacations abroad. I work in a place with about 20 employees and 4 took their families to all parts of europe (including Scotland) for vacation. Personally, I would rather travel in the states & in the southern islands. jock doesnt know what he's talking about because many of our planes are still overbooked (speaking from experience).

31

Just like the the US republicans create a problem then try and get somebody else to clean it up for them old habits die hard eh?
And its no just me that thinks they are innocent it looks like your own governments got the message as well finally.

32

then maybe you can explain why only 20 per cent of all US citizens own a passport? do they just wait until they are in uniform before travelling abroad for free?

34

I frequently back up my arguments with quotes from Qu'ran and hadith. In my posts above I made reference to an actual event - the sentencing to death of an convert to Christianity, but you do not address that. I can quote you Hadith to support the Islamic position on apostasy

You totally ignorant vile piece of sh*t you dont make arguments you express biggoted opinions and use quotes from a text written centuries ago in another era to back up your own sick predudices completely ignoring the fact that similar and worse quotes can be found in both the bible old and new testements and the Talmud.
You state as opinion that because the Quaran is full of quotes stating murder of non believers, Paedophilia, world conquest etc etc then Islam and only Islam is a clear and present danger to the whole world irrespective of the fact that similar if not worse quotes can be found in the bible and the Talmud but you cant equate that to Christianity or Judasim being clear and present dangers to the world
Why is that?

I describe in detail the Taleban's devotion to Islam, but still you maintain they are not Islamic, without offering a single counter-argument. Explain please, if they are not Islamic, why do they enforce Islamic sharia law, pray 5 times a day facing Mecca, go on the Hajj, recite the Shahadah, pay the zakah, observe Ramadan etc, etc, all with far greater devotion than your average Mohammedan down at the local corner shop? This is a substantive argument. Now I challenge you to reply with a substantive refutation,

Does the Taleban represent the Muslims in Indonesia?
Does the Taleban represent the Muslims in Algeria Syria Jordan Saudi Arabia Kuwait Iraq Europe the US Austrailia New Zealand Africa.
No they phuqing dont so how on earth can you argue that the taleban are Islam and Islam is the Taleban?
The Taleban are a political party who were in power in Afganistan until deposed they no more represent Islam than you

Honest Jock...go to youtube..write in Glenn Beck Extremist Agenda..watch and learn

#37 Jock "I have seen worse expressions of hatred . . . . on some of these threads. . ."
So have I. In pretty much every one of your posts.

38

Dyslexia runs in the family does it?

What makes you so abusive?

Honest Jock...just trying to show you there is an agenda. But never mind..I was my hands of you..you are a closed minded bigot, that has every excuse under the sun not to gain any knowledge from anyone.
I guess you know it all..My, we call these type of people idiot savants. You fill the bill.

the word would be *wash my hands of you.

#42, One needs to wash not only one's hands but also one's computer screen after reading Jock:

"you my friend are a rabid zionist provocateur"

"You are certainly one sick predudice(sic) rabid bigot of the worse(sic) kind..."

"You really are a sick vile git."

"You totally ignorant vile piece of sh*t"

And with not a shred of irony, Mr. Jock spews my personal favorite:

"dont rant and rave like a rabid physco(sic)"

42

Better to wash the blood from them first.

45

And now you add hypocricy to biggotry is there no limit to how low you can present yersell?

40

What makes you so ignorant?

# 33 Honest Jack
I have held a U.S. passport for many, many years
and travel to Europe and beyond twice a year on vacation and every plane that I have been on has been fully booked. Are they all U.S. citizens? I don't know but I think that the majority of them are especially on the out-bound flights. Before you jump to the conclusion that I am a wealthy American I am not as I am just a work stiff who is allowed 4 weeks vacation a year and I split it up 2 weeks twice a year and off I go as long as my health holds out.

#48..as the kids say...rock on..I hope you enjoy your trips and vacations.

50 Infantile

Like in Darfur? Or Nigeria, Phillippines, Thailand, Kashmir, Somalia

What on earth are you on about now? are you now telling us Islamic armies are invading these countries in the name of Islam? you prize prat!

The vast majority of Nazi party members did not operate the gas chambers, so I guess that makes Nazism OK then.

And this is supposed to be the answer to why you accuse all who worship Islam as guilty of extremism and world conquest. Like I said what a prize prat you are!

I have never denied that most Mohammedans are not involved in violence, in fact I have stated it many times in past postings (but it is not nearly as "vast" as you make out).

Yes you have constantly! you post comment after comment after comment accusing Islam in its entirety not just the extreme headjobs but all who worship like I said before what a prize prat and hypocrite you are.

Those that do intentionally support the violence are acting entirely in accordance with Islamic teaching. Those who don't are simply brainwashed and delusional. I will carry on saying this, AND ATTACKING ISLAM EVERY CHANCE I GET (See previous paragraph) and will not stop just because someone who clearly has not read the Qu'ran and does not understand the centrality of violent jihad to Islam, does not like to be told it.

So by your logic anybody baptised a Christian who commits a crime is doing it in the name of Christ with the same logic applying to all other religions.
Because according to you a person who commits a crime and happens to be a muslim is only doing so because of the teachings of Islam.
Aye just keep posting and show us all why you have earned all of the above abuse.

48

Good for you wish there were more like you but its a sad fact that less US citizens are travelling abroad these days than ever before because of your countries so called war on terrorism. Another reason to thank your benevolent Government.

Infantile

I have just come across another thread in the paper with the headline

Israeli Troops died because they failed to pray.

And your absence on this thread was conspicuous.
I mean here we have another story relating to religious extremism and you failed to put in a single comment.
A Rabbi from the Ultra orthodox Shas party actually said Israelli soldiers died because they didnt pray and failed to uphold the traditions of their religion.
The whole thing smacks of Talebanish pish to me but you never made a single comment. Yet mention Islam and you are in there with quote after quote after quote from the the Quaran even on threads that dont mention Islam yet you tried on many occasions to claim you are just as critical with other religions as you are with Islam.
So what happened nothing to say regarding the Shas party then?

54 55 56

Condemned by your own comments you brainless git!

Quote from you today:

I do not accuse all who worship Islam as guilty of extremism and world conquest. Misrepresenting me is a sign that your own case is weak.

Another quote from you today:

I will carry on saying this, and attacking Islam every chance I get and will not stop

And yet another quote:

Like a "prize prat" you obviously cannot distinguish between an ideology and those who follow it. Attacking Islam is not the same as attacking Mohammedans.

And yet another:

I denounce Islam in its entirety as evil.

Exactly what I have been accusing you of and you have denied repeatedly.

Darfur: The Arab Islamic regime in Khartoum is invading and ethnically cleansing the black Islamic lands of Darfur. Mohammedan on Mohammedan violence.

In other words its a phuqing civil war not unlike the US civil war or the war of the roses in the UK or any other civil war only this time its within an Islamic country but you have to make it out that its the evil of Islam at work. again like I said what a phuqing prat.

Nigeria: For decades has been subject to fighting and massacres as Mohammedans in the north try to impose sharia law on all. Non-Mohammedans (mostly Christians) fight back and the cycle of tit for tat retaliations continues.

A bare faced lie the troubles and fighting in Nigeria are between ethnic tribes not religions.
Christ you make me sick!

Kashmir: Jihadis fighting for an Islamic state and committing terrorism against Hindus. Currently partitioned between Mohammedan Pakistan and mostly Hindu India. Ethnic cleansing by Mohammedans has forced out 400,000 Pandits (Hindus).

Hindus and Muslims have been fighting and warring for centuries nobody knows who started it or why do you? and ethnic cleansing of muslims by Hindus in India brought about the state of Bangladesh and Pakistan Idiot boy!

Isla

56 Infantile

The Taleban are an affront to Islam and are apostates who should be given some of their own medicine - beheading is too good for these filthy, flea-ridden peasants and rapist/murderers."

Can the passages in the Quaran be any worse than this?
Who the hell are you to critise the passages in the Quaran when you yourself print passages as bad if not worse?
Who are you to complain about the likes of the Taliban spreading hatred and preaching death when you yourself do it frequently in public?
What makes you any different?
Sicko!