#1. Thanks for that, Castaway. Which one in the pix is Guga, btw???

It's Guga's Isle!

http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/rockall/picture-gallery....

Rannoch Moor is "pretty desolate", Rockall is better described as a rock covered in bird poop! :)

It's about 300 miles from Scottish mainland, but about 170 miles from St Kilda which (I believe) provides the claim to it.

For fear of sounding like a fanatic, legal claims shall be interesting if oil is discovered in its region and if Scotland does get her independence. If "ifs" and "buts" were "pounds" and "pence"...

Where are your thoughts on this, guga 11? You're in the news at last!!!!

#2 BW That's me standing at the very top.

#5 Conan. Why don't you use your own name?

#6 That's the English Crown motto. The Scottish Crown motto is Nemo Me Impune Lacessit.

For the benefit of all, Rockall is part of Scotland. It does not and never will belong to the English, the Irish or the Danes. Moreover, any oil found around Rockall will come to Scotland, not any of the other greedy prats. They've stolen enough of our oil as it is.

"negotiations in Reykjavik involve the UK, Ireland, Iceland and Denmark"

Should really be restated as
"Ireland, Iceland. Denmark and England representing Scotland's best interests"

Perhaps these are the same best interests as the previous McCrone theft of our oil assets. Scotland
should be fully represented to look after our interests here to prevent another outright theft our our assets by the decaying British empire.

Evidently title of Rockall has already been established in Inverness-shire so presumably falls
under Scottish legal juristiction. Perhaps Scotland
should just reach an amicable agreement with
our Celtic cousins in that other small country
Ireland and agree on a fair proportioning of
the assets, and cut out the warmongering English
leaches.

Saor Alba

It's Scotland's oil!!!

Possession is still hopefully nine tenths of the law.

It's about time that Gordon Brown focused on issues closer to home!

Heaven forbid that he would like another country to get it just to spite the SNP...

Yours etc

Angus Whitton

-- UK, Ireland, Iceland and Denmark (on behalf of the Faroes) ... are claiming Rockall ..

When it was SCOTTISH FISHERMEN, in particular the Boy Andrew and Opportune of Wick, that pioneered this great fishery. Oil you can find anywhere. But can you eat it?

Send Guga to the flippin` Rock I say.

How did they get that yellow pod thing up there in the 1st place !

God made a terrible mistake when he created the Earth. He put Americas oil under Iraq.

Even worse he put England's oil under Scotland.

and he put the English people under the Scots

geographically speaking of course

16. eddylongshanks

all depends which way you orientate yourself in the universe...no ups nor downs......Just convention of having the Artic at the top!...in the Northern Hemisphere anyway!

Obviously London has the best claim, see Malvinas, Gibralter, Hong Kong, Ireland, Singapore, Inadiar Afrikar, etc, etc, for any fair minded GB cartographer.

Whit aboot Berwickshire?

its easy to why they are not fighting over Rockall
it isnt worth the effort.

16. eddylongshanks
well.... the best comes out on top ;-)

Apart from the cost of exploring for and eventually extracting oil off Rockall, what would be the cost benefits of such an exercise? Surely it would be simply too expensive to extract and highly risky.

#17. There is talk in Ireland of producing a new atlas in which the name "British Isles" is changed because of the imperialist connotations evoked by "British" and because an independent Ireland does not wish to be known as British by association.

#17 You need to have a lie down....

#23. I think you'll find Guga is prepared to repel all boarders!!!

#7 Guga II, Rockall

My dear Guga II once again many thanks for the oil..yum..yum or should that be glug..glug..glug.
you are a true British patriot and will get your Medal
for service to the 'United Kingdom' well done jolly well done

Oh by the way your reading of ownership very..iffy
"the UK has sovereignty over it." Ha..ha..ha....

your a very honorary Englishman now Guga how does it feel.......

But to spare your feelings you can call yourself .......'Guga II the sheikh of Rockall'.....

I can't help it but Ha..ha...ha..ha....Ooops just fell of me chair laughing all the way down..Bump.....Ha..ha...ha

Surely the fact that the nearest habitable location is St Kilda then Rockall automatically becomes part of Scotland aka the UK.
So exactly why are we having negotiations?

(22) While there are many British produced atlases on sale in Ireland which use the term "British Isles" for our two islands, no map issued by the Irish Ordnance Survey since 1922 uses the term. Irish-published atlases, used in schools, don't use the term - on pages where the two islands appear together they are simply referred to as "Great Britain and Ireland". If Scotland takes the brave leap to independence the term will be increasingly anachronistic.

#24/re. #17

A lie down? Think it's more a question of "more medication, nurse"!!

What a bizarre misinterpretation of history. It just goes to show that some people can fool themselves (and try to fool others) all the time.

Having worked in the oil and gas industry in the UK and abroad for several years it is always disturbing to see how nationalistic people become with regards to natural resources. British people are targeted as being invaders of natural resources and violent acts are afflicted on them as part of 'nationalisation mentality'.
It is sad to see that this mentality is also evident back home in a nation which is described by some as being 'civilised', 'friendly'and 'developed'.

#7 - 'They've stolen enough of our oil as it is' (probably sounds similar translated in arabic or Russian)
Let's drop the clan mentality and leave the petty squabbling to the politicians.

(27) These are not negotiations over Rockall's sovereignty but over oil rights on the continental shelf. As Rockall is uninhabited its UK sovereignty does not confer any rights to the surrounding continental shelf. see paragraphs 9-16 of main article

I love this stuff and I'm jealous Guga !

I'm sure you've heard of Ferdinandea , it's even better - it's an island thats sometimes there and sometimes not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinandea

" In 1986, it was allegedly mistaken for a Libyan submarine and bombed by a U.S. Air Force plane on its way to bomb Tripoli"

Oh how good is that.

We should send Walter Ego to occupy Rockall. There's a council tax freeze there.

I think Ireland, Iceland and the Faroes have a brass cheek trying to claim Rockall
Based purely on who is nearest, Scotland is with St Kilda being 179 miles from Rockall, all the rest are further away!
Here is a map of the oil fields
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/education/natural/5.htm

I hear Argentina are staking a claim too!!!! What goes around comes around.......

Thanks, Gerry #28 and #31, for these two informative comments.

You are a wealth of information.

And what happens to the map of EU Europe after the Treaty is signed and the unitary, federal state eventually comes into being and the present member states are balkanised, e.g. England becomes 10 regions?

What, too, will happen to the island of Ireland in a unitary Europe? Will Northern Ireland remain a separate entity or will the 26 and the 6 counties be merged?

#8

Hopefully it is just your geographic location that explains your bizarre take on matters.

NO 14 MCNASTY

That name just about sums you up.

How low on your list do you put the English.

With your kind around no wonder peace in the world will never happen.

I suppose the military junta in Burma is about your mark and way above the English in your brainless mind

#7 Guga

"For the benefit of all, Rockall is part of Scotland. It does not and never will belong to the English, the Irish or the Danes. Moreover, any oil found around Rockall will come to Scotland, not any of the other greedy prats. They've stolen enough of our oil as it is."

IF Scotland was a sovereign state with a seat at the United Nations or the European Council - it could make a claim to this territory; it isn't a sovereign state IF it had a Scottish Navy - it could threaten to send a gunboat; because it is NOT a state, Scotland does not possess a navy. IF Scotland really had a 'government' with powers to negotiate over territorial claims - it could do so, but it doesn't have a 'government' - it merely has a devolved executive - in effect a sub-department of the UK government.

Sovereign states become states by asserting and defending their rights to territory - historically the UK has sacrificed millions of lives to defend its territory against the Spanish (The Armada), the French (Napoleon), the Germans (WW1 Kaiser Wilhelm & WWII Hitler). Scotland - like many small countries - was unable to defend its territory against a larger and more powerful neighbour - which, stupidly it kept invading - so it was conquered and absorbed.
That's the way history works. Get over it.

3 Col B - it looks a bit like Ayrshire's own Ailsa Craig, but less pretty and scenic of course.

Of course the "UK" would have no claim if Scotland were independent - its Scotland's Rockall! :-)

[AM2 - the comments on the other Brown site were closed when I saw your posts, I shall read them in deatil later and attempt a cleverigent analysis :-)]

#33 Mario

" In 1986, it was allegedly mistaken for a Libyan submarine and bombed by a U.S. Air Force plane on its way to bomb Tripoli"

So thats the reason why that great British citizen of the United Kingdom, Guga 11 always sounds "shell-shocked" when he contributes to these forums. He deserves a medal and I will make recommendations to the Government at Westminster for him to receive one.

17
They dont know history?
Scotland was first realised as an identifiable kingdom by Kenneth Mc Alpin (around 840) and ruled as far south as Dunbar and Melrose which he had taken from Northumbria. That is remarkably close to the size of the current Scotland !
This was before England existed (the first King to rule England was Athelstan around 927 when he captured what remained of Northumbria but had a series of invasions by Danes to contend with,and it was 954 under Edred that finally saw some stability)and well before the Union of Crowns in 1603 and Parliaments in 1707 which created the multi national state we currently know.

Nationhood is a legality which is above that of any cartography (which has no legal basis whatsoever).We have only been fighting wars on the basis of kingdom and nationhood since man existed !

The claims of the waters around Rockall can be from a number of countries,but the British Isles is NOT a nation(nor was it ever) and has no claim on anything. Any mineral or oil wealth etc will be detremined by the adajacent land presumably,which definitely includes Scotland and Northern Ireland (both part of The UK currently) and the Republic of Ireland plus of course nations to the north of Rockall.

I wonder if AM2 will be suddently screaming its Northern Irelands oil/gas/fish/whatever else is there?I think Ulster Unionism will go right out the window! Maybe it belongs in part to the Isle of Man!
We (Scotland)already are probably on our way to re establishing our nationhood of course, but remember it can only happen if the majority wish it to be so,and declare this in a democratic and unambiguous manner which is then internationally enforceable.

You accept democratic decisions dont you?
I accept the United Kingdom even though it is conning me out of billions !
Just exactly what your point is eludes me and what basis it was founded on ,even more so!

Anyone who has watched the way that China has claimed most of the oil in SE Asia will realise that while geography is important military is even more important. If the Brits want to claim the oil around Rockall then noone is going to get in their way. I can't see the Irish sole patrol boat having much chance against a nuclear submarine.

Read the statement and you will see this is not the Brits asking the rest of the world if they can have Rockall but telling them the rock is theirs and to get lost.

The untapped oil might as well go to Ireland , Iceland or Denmark for all the difference it will make to Scots if London get hold of it.

46
That I would suggest is the most pertinent point on this page! Well said!

Let's strongly persue this claim and win it, and then put an indefinate moratorium on oil exploration in that area. That'll stop any other lot from extrating the oil from there, and thus prevent Rockall's oil from adding to the atmospheric CO2 overburden.

Even better, an agreement of the kind that prevents oil exploitation in Antarctica - let it be "Waveland" right enough.

Tweedmouth and Rulessandfools, the anti-Scottish unionist slugs are out in force today, I see.

It appears they are denying the existence of Scotland as a nation. You can't get more anti-Scottish than that. Such is the unionist attitude towards Scotland. We're a region of England.

Tweedmouth, bitter and twisted as you are, you do realise that what you're saying about Scotland applies equally to England, don't you?

England doesn't have a navy. England doesn't have a government. England is not a sovereign state. The UK is, but not England.

I wonder if you agree. I wonder if the English would agree.

#17 Keep up the good work. You are reminding us if exactly the kind of attitude that prevails among unionists. You must have read some pretty god awful history books in your time, Rulerhead. Scotland was created by invaders, eh? Haven't heard that one before. What are the reasons for your anti-Scottish spitefulness? You suffer from it big time. I doubt you believe what you're saying, because you're just try to stir things up, but if you do it makes me happy. It makes me happy to think that you are every bit the idiot you appear to be.

41# Tweedmouth.
Scotland is a sovereign country. Where the people retain sovereignty. Indisputable fact!
Conquered and absorbed?????? I don't think so!!!!!
Which side of the "Mouth" are you on? The South?
Either way I think your paddling upstream with that one.

45
Yes and if an independent Scotland claims sovereignty watch them suddenly change to it should be shared by adjacent countries (but they mean England of course) and Northern Ireland probably and for some strange reason the Repunlic does not qualify !
One thing tou can put your life on is Westminsters view depends on whats in it for us (you cannot afford principles where money is concerned)
I cannot agree less with that statement than I currently do!

#7 and various others Guga II

Still laughing at Guga Ha..ha..ha..ha...
por old Guga the ship of the British state cruised by and swept him of his rock into the Atlantic sea (Splash..Blup..blup..blup) and all his jumping up and down spitting venom at everything British helped not at all.

What can you do..Eh.....not a thing.....

#49 Winged Messenger

And a Ha..ha..ha.. to you I deny your existences as a normal human being with all your anti-british bile.

What the British state has is legitmate power from all of the people of this island and not some B#st#rdised version of a Nationalist vision of freedom based on ethnicity and hatred of other nations.....

Oh happy day......Oh happy day........

It is ridiculous that Scotland cannot negociate its own oceanic territories with other nations without the inteference of Westminster. This is not a UK matter, all the more so because the UK will soon cease to exist and hardly exists now anyway as far as we, in Scotland, are concerned. This is a Scottish matter to be settled between Scotland and its North Atlantic neighbours.

So Scotland is not a sovereign state because it has no army?
So who exactly provide all of the best Infantry?

#52

And an equally cheery Ha ha ha to you, old boy, and your fruitless quest to airbrush Scotland out of existence - dream on!

Actually, it won't matter who claims sovereignty of the oil fields around Rockall, excluding Iceland, because once the EU Treaty is signed, the oil will become an EU resource.

EU TO TAKE CONTROL OVER BRITAIN’S ENERGY POLICY

The proposed treaty will give the EU power for the first time over the whole field of energy and Britain’s oil and gas reserves.
The UK’s oil industry produces £5 billion in taxes and has about 265,000 employees. But this could all be threatened by the revived and renamed EU Constitution.

Under the new Article 176a in the Reform Treaty the European Union will take control over energy policy and usage. This will be introduced under Qualified Majority Voting, meaning that Britain will not be able to veto damaging EU laws, nor protect the North Sea reserves.

The implications of this will be enormous. Article 176a reads;

1. In the context of the establishment and functioning of the internal market and with regard for the need to preserve and improve the environment, Union policy on energy shall aim, in a spirit of solidarity between Member States, to:
(a) ensure the functioning of the energy market;
(This will hand Brussels the power to decide, where and how the oil and gas are sold)

(b) ensure security of energy supply in the Union, and
(This could mean that the UK must supply energy to another member-state if they are having problems with their network)

(c) promote energy efficiency and energy saving and the development of new and renewable forms of energy;
(This will make the debate in Britain about how energy is produced irrelevant because Brussels will be making those decisions)

(d) promote the interconnection of energy networks.
(This will give the EU a key role as the system guarantor and thus threatening British control over the North Sea reserves)

Brussels will also be able to decide issues relating to the taxation of the reserves without Br

#41 Scotland has a 'Navy', Fishery and Oil Rig patrol vessels are funded and run by the Scottish Government, what do you think all the Brouhaha over the orders for these ships going to or possibly going to Europe was about.
Perhaps the question is 'When is a Navy NOT a Navy?'
The ans: When the Westminster Government want to subsidise England even more from Scottish coffers, it then becomes 'Civil Authority Patrol Boats'
Hence having to open up 'Defence ' Equipment orders to Europe (Defence Equipment, under EU rules does not have to go to European Wide Tender, the National Government can decide who they want to provide the equipment without advertising in the EU if they so wish).
That is why our troops use ammunition made in South Africa and Switzerland , because the UK no longer has the expertise of the Royal Ordinance Factories to make the propellant for rifle, pistol or automatic weapons rounds.

Anyhow BOT:
Oil is expected to reach 100 bucks a barrel sometime next year so that will make the Oil and Gas finds in the Atlantic 'viable', that is what is at stake, and as the 'Westminster Government' has already enacted a law to make Rockall part of Invernesshire, then any subsequent 'Continental Shelf Rights' acquired by the 'UK',based on Rockall will be within 'Scottish Territorial Waters', particularly useful after we get Independence.

8 Buchanan

Another delightful Scot in full cry.

What a wonderful world we live in

Who gives a toss? It's a piece of rock in one of the most inhospitable areas os ocea in the world. We'd need to be REALLY desperate for oil to go extracting it that far out. And I thought we were meant to be weaning ourselves off oil anyway? And as for any connection to fishing limits, that's irrelevant. Thanks to our membership of the CFP, Greece, Spain and Malta would probably have more right to fish their than our trawlermen. The only use it may have is as a place to send Gaga Knows Feckall. He's just the man to send to reinforce our territorial claim.

Would anyone complain if we put a huge windfarm next to it ?

Eg, Could Dave see it from his house.

Buchannan @ 8

How patriotic, how passionate you are about Scotland, how odd that you don't live there.

How will you save 'oor oil' when the "warmongering English leaches" come to get it? Shaking your claymore, painting your face blue and mooning at us from as far away as California isn't going to frighten anyone now is it?

You'll be able to do Rockall from there!

#52
What a fcuking plinker you are the British State has at most a very tenuous 'authority' and most likely not a legal one over anything in these islands.
The so called Authority you referred to was gained at the point of a gun!
England, and that is the 'British State' invaded and put to the 'sword and bayonet' anyone on these islands who resisted their advances.

As for any legitimacy of the Treaty of Union, well less than two years after the Treaty was signed the 'English' broke it by closing the Scottish Mint in Edinburgh, and since then have totally ignored the provisions of the Treaty, thereby legally making it 'Null and Void' unfortunately, without resorting to violence the only options are to take the English to Court for reparation for the breaches of the Treaty and have it declared invalid.

This is a non-starter as the last court of appeal is in Westminster and is staffed by English Law Lords.
That leaves the Ballot Box, but we have already seen the lengths that Maggie Broon et al will go to prevent a Lawful ballot taking place.

The last elections were a shambles and would have done Dubya proud as it was straight of the Dubya book on free elections.

Fortunately the rouse failed, but not completely as the outcome denied the Scottish people their Democratic Right of 'Self Determination'.

So have a good laugh, you poor misguided, brainwashed soul, may your god have mercy on your troubled mind and soul.

The more I read from Unionists the more I am convinced that Unionism is a Psychiatric Disorder.

As an aside the 'British Commonwealth of Nations' contains one country, other than England, that was not a former colony, that on it's own should be an indication of just how good the rest of the world thinks 'Britain' is. (you don't have to be a former colony or occupied territory to become a member)

There is something rather odd about the many strident posts claiming Rockall as Scottish and its oil deposits as Scottish. Rockall was incorporated as part of a Scottish county by Act of the UK parliament. This is disputed by Ireland. However, the claim that the oil and mineral deposits surrounding Rockall are Scottish/UK is ludicrous in both British and International law. Only inhabited islands can lay claim to these deposits. This law is accepted by the UK and is the only reason that there are negotiations taking place. The sovereignty of Rockall, though disputed, is a separate matter and has no bearing on the current talks. If Rockall was suddenly to become a part of Ireland the surrounding deposits would still have to be negotiated among the same four countries who have sovereignty over the surrounding continental shelf.

63. Joanna, Cambs, England

Couldn't see how you were Adding to the debate there!

It's a shame that it so easy to destroy than it is to create!

Could we have constructive post from now on please.

#52

Unionist ridicule and negativity is wearing very thin these days.

Try another tact.

66

Who appointed you referee?

I'll post what I like, when I like, where I like.... without asking your permission first.

Or did I just touch a little anti English nerve there?

Oh another point 66

How is your post in anyway constructive? If you want to construct something buy a Lego set.

#63 Very very funny. I thought the same when I read his post and I'm Scottish!

#71/#72

Joanna, m'dear, that couldn't be a little anti-Scottish nerve that's just been touched, could it?

#64 You are very amusing you know.
Such anger in your post.

I for one don't give much of a monkeys regarding the origins of the nation I live in. I'm more interested in the here and now, not things that happened hundreds of years ago. I'm happy and content. The best place for Scotland is as part of the UK. Simple as that really. Its not Scotlands oil, its the UK's. We just happend to stay closer to it than most. That simple really

Being a Unionist = pro Scotland.

Joanna,

You can't go booting somebody in the chuckies who has posted on the magic number - 66!!!!:)

Major GP-S

Don't be silly dearie.... please read No8's silly comments - they are the ones that got on my nerves! Or possibly you agree with him, and as you don't state your location you may well be another 'patriotic' Scot who doesn't live there.

Maybe your pal at 66, whose defence you rushed to, will let you help him with his Lego construction if you ask him.

How about a nice oil-rig building set?

AJ....:))

Sorry I forget that 66 was your lucky number!! :D

63. Joanna, Cambs, England

"How patriotic, how passionate you are about Scotland, how odd that you don't live there."

Evidently you don't live there at moment
either - do you have a point or are you
just being parochial ?

Interesting that you appear to be more interested
in a butt fetish with your evident mooning
obsession. However I guess that makes more
sense that the usual Unionist apologist stance
of denial of England's theft of Scotland's assets.
Enjoy your fetish - it takes all sorts and I respect
your chosen lifestyle.

Saor Alba

#71 #72Joanna Camb

Not my rules dear, but the rules you agreed to play by when you entered your post. Please read terms and conitions for posting in this forum.

I was trying to point out how easy it to pull down an argument or a person rather than addressing the points raised.

I find you imposing your own xenophobic streotype offensive.

This is constructive in that I hope I have educated you in some way to the rules of the forum.

The oil should stay there to be Scotland's nest egg for the future!

Buchanan

I don't live in Scotland - you are absolutely correct about that. I live in England because I am English - is that OK with you?

As for fethishes about mooning, I am surprised that a patriotic Braveheart like yourself has never seen the film. Do watch it, and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Also, the bit about the Unionist apologist thingy - you haven't got a clue have you?

Cairn

Stick to the point, sweetie - you're way off topic! Suggest you go and read the forum rules.

Don't slip on an oil slick on the way now!!

#83

My Joanna, you really are in a - how do you say it in England? - a tiz?

But how do you feel about the "UK's" inteference with matters pertaining to Scottish waters?

#78

Ouch, Joanna, that's a firm smack on the bum for me.....................

You seem to be full of invective against all and sundry this afternoon - always a sign that the argument has been lost. I DO seem to have tweaked that anti-Scottish nerve, my love, don' t I?

Oh, and by the way, m'dear, I am a Scot who chooses to live in Scotland - and yes, proud of it. As an English person who chooses to live in England, I respect that, but your continuing silly comments are getting on a LOT of people's nerves.

Winged Messenger

aka Zoom?

Well, as Scotland is still part of the UK at the present time, your comment is meaningless, because the waters are also UK waters. True?

But, if you want to know my views on English independence then I'm all for it.

Are you a "patriotic" English person?

82. Joanna, Cambs, England

Clearly you can't help yourself with your butt fetish,
but as I told you already I respect your
lifestyle choice so don't get too defensive. Just to
keep you going here is a little treat for
you - the following site contains
a clip of your favorite mooning scene.
http://scottishbritishandproud.blogspot.com/
I am sure you probably have your own website
englishbritishandproud - perhaps you could
join forces with these guys they appear
to have similar reasoning to your own.

I'm still a bit confused though as to what
your agenda is here on a Scottish newspaper
forum - I can't make my mind
up whether your are just a Unionist Apologist,
a rabid English Nationalist or perhaps with
you it is just all about butts ?

Saor Alba

"I respect that, but your continuing silly comments are getting on a LOT of people's nerves."

And this matters to me because...........?

I would suspect that the majority of posters this afternoon are in favour of English independence too............... Go for it!!

Buchannan

Sorry I never visit dodgy sounding websites, but possibly some of your pals on here will join you there.

You can all have a wee Highland fling together and boast about seeing off the English marauder!!

LMFAO

"I would suspect that the majority of posters this afternoon are in favour of English independence too............... Go for it!!"

Thanks, sugar ;)

And your silly, childish prattling matters to us because? Yah, boo, sucks! Is that your rattle thrown out of your pram?

As #49 pointed out, the English and unionists slugs are out in force, with their typical attitude that Scotland is a colony, and shall so remain. They try to distort both facts and history to their own end. They all still want to hang on to Scotland, despite the lie that they are subsidising us (when, in fact, it is the other way around).

Anyway, I've got news for you lot. Scotland will achieve independence, and England will sink further into the category of being a third world country, without us to support them. Your arrogant "world power" attitude will make you even more of an international joke than you already are.

Ah, the intellectual contribution of our friends from south of the Border - quite mind-boggling!

6 Dragonhead

the difference here is that nobody is proposing an illegal invasion, ruination of a country and leaving kids in the ruins to die of cholera, to get the oil..... just a wee bit of UN decision making to decide the territorial boundaries. I wonder, if the oil is abundant, how the UK intends to by-pass any benefit to Scotland and waste this lot of revenues on?

Major Thing

I'm quite flattered that you think I'm so young!

Must be all the oil that we've pinched - it has so many uses.

Joanna, Cambs, England

Seriously can you answer my question - what
is your agenda on this Scottish newspaper forum ?

If it is to argue for English independence then I have
no doubt you have full support of the vast majority
on this forum including myself.

Or do you have some different agenda ?

Saor Alba

97. Joanna, Cambs, England

I fail to see why you felt you had to come on to a Scottish newspaper forum about the continental shelf boundaries off the coast of Scotland, launch a xenophobic attack on debaters to promote your agenda for English Independance?

#97

Nice try, m'dear - but do change the bait!

“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

"But, Sir, let me tell you, the noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England."

- Samuel Johnson

Some poor saps are even taking you for real!!

Buchannan

Your post 8 was the most ridiculous piece of rhetoric that I have read for a while.

The fact that you aren't even Scottish makes it even more sad.

Cairn

Is this xenophobic enough for you:

"and cut out the warmongering English
leaches" See Post 8.

I haven't said anything as rude as that about the Scots.....and I never do. But, when a poster writes something like that I like to retaliate in kind.

Anyway.........guys, keep taking the tablets - I'm sure the oil thing will sort itself out sooner or later.

103. Joanna, Cambs, England

So Joanna dear you refuse to answer my question -
don't you have an agenda ?

By the way I am Scottish - perhaps it is a little
hard for your parochial mind to get round but
you can still be Scottish and live someplace else -
if you were to move from England and expand
your horizons you would still remain English -
did n't you know that.

""and cut out the warmongering English
leaches" "

I'm not sure exactly what you have a problem
with here ? -

1. Warmongering seems a reasonable
description or are you in favor of the
Iraq war.
2. Leeches - "One that preys on or clings
to another". Seems true to me in England's
case or have you not read the McCrone
report.
www.snpyouth.org/documents/mccronereport.pdf
3. English - Do you have a problem being called
English ? I think that is factual also and nothing
to be ashamed of.

all the best and pray tell us what your agenda
is on this Scottish newspaper forum, assuming
of course you know yourself.

Saor Alba

rockall belongs to western isles hebrides who have best claim

Joanna,

Almost correct about the lucky number, but you're three short........Doll!!;-)

btw, I can see you've got yer haunds foo on this thread!!!

Where do I apply for planning permission? Carve out a nice little flat.........wrap around windows.......the deck might be a challenge, though.

No chance of you riding to the rescue AJ? Naughty with the numbers by the way. :D

Hi AJ.... I might have known! :D

Buchannan

Who took us into the Iraq War? 2 Scots ... Blair and Brown.

If you were so fond of Scotland you would live there..... I think you're just an expat who is homesick - everything looks rosier from a distance and the 'auld enemy' looks meaner.

Do you have a vote in Scotland? If so, I suggest you get back here and use it - just in case Mr Brown calls a snap election. But if you get independence - who will you have for a scapegoat once you unchain the English one?

Or don't you care - because you'll still be living in CA?

#103

Typically woolly, evasive comment. Must be an English thing.

Can't see England ever achieving independence, poor sods, while they have a Scottish resource to prop up their economy - isn't that right, Joanna, sweetie?

Thanks for that piece about "most ridiculous piece of rhetoric I've read for a while" - I suggest that you re-read your own postings!

Peajay,

Joanna is more than capable of slaying these punters!!!

I'm afraid they'll have to learn not to mess with Joanna of Cambridge, the English version of Jean de Arc!!!

See what I mean Peajay? She's completely reamed the Major fella and the Californian dude, is hanging by a thread!!!

And remember what happened to Joan of Arc - or even JeanNE D'Arc.

Oh, dear, apparently I've just been completely reamed!

109. Joanna, Cambs

Don't you have an agenda ? I have asked you several times and you refuse to answer ?

"Who took us into the Iraq War? 2 Scots ... Blair and Brown."

You are correct two quisling Scots took you guys
to war and I understand your chancellor
and defense secretary are also Scots. If I
were you I would vote for English independence.
I also heard that these Scots MPs can vote
on English only matters - does not sound
very fair to me, but if your chosen lifestyle
is to be governed by Scots that is your
prerogative. Perhaps domination is just
some extension of your fetishes ?

"if you were so fond of Scotland you would live there"

I was born, brought up and lived in Scotland
for most of my live. I moved to California
after jobs in my industry moved to England.
I am sure you would have loved me to
move down to England, but it looks like
you have enough Scots down their already.

Thanks for the offer to come back for
Brown's election, but I have no interest
in voting for the English house of Westminster -
perhaps you should focus on getting England
back under the control of the English, and leave
Scottish matters to Scots.

Saor Alba

#70 Winged Messenger

"ridicule and negativity is wearing very thin these days.
Try another tact."

And that from a master of Nationalist negativity and bile......Well what a hypocrite.......he is Oh yes indeed so

#64 Boggle fey the Bog

Don't knock the bayonet it achieved quiet a bit in the hands of brave soldiers and patriots

I am not sure on your legal grounds seem a bit of a fantasy to me and most right thinking people. Still like to see you take it to court though...

Off to take me medication you know the anti-nationalist one........

100 . You used that crap joke on me also. I no longer wish to be friends.

Didnt we have this "boys ganging up on someone who lived in england" thing yesterday ? Leave Joanna alone.

#117

My negativity and bile is directed at one thing and one thing only. People like you. People like you are a waste of anyone's space. You have nothing to say. And anything you say amounts to nothing. You shouldn't have the power to vote. The right should be denied to you. You're a bitter and twisted unionist bucket of worms squirming on the brink of political oblivion.

If it's because of poeple like you that Scotland isn't a country, then thank god we're getting shot of you. You are nearing your extinction. You are teetering on the brink. And when the big void of a no longer existing Britain swallows you up in its dismal depths, I won't be there to see you off, believe me. I will be celebrating the reassertion of a reality that people like you have prevented through the banality and limitedness of your power to think.

Britain is finished. Your posts are a pretty good example of the reason why. They are lacking wit, imagination and aesthetic posture. They are the mutterings of a neepoid with his head stuck in his soup.

#113,

Whatever!!!

Buchannan

Yes, I have an agenda... I and my party of Machiavellian English oppressors intend to take all the oil in the North Sea for ourselves, and the stuff in Rockall and the stuff that might be anywhere else in Scottish waters. Then, we will completely subjugate the Scots and make them our slaves - oh hang on I've just been told that we've already done that... oh good, no point in repeating ourselves and wasting our time. So, its just the oil that we're after then.

Btw: I don't think you understand the voting system here - if you vote for the SNP to have more seats at Westminster, you will hasten the day of Scottish independence. Which is your agenda isn't it? Or do you just like being dominated and that's why you can't be bothered to vote.

Or maybe you were telling porkies and you can't vote here, your remark did seem a little naive. Did you not realise that the SNP have seats at Westminster? Mr Salmond actually refuses to vote on English only matters and has earned a lot of respect here because of that - unlike the Unionist parties.

Major Thing

Joan of Arc was a witch and burned at the stake by the dastardly English - how ironic!!

Mario

You're right - that is their agenda ..... so obvious and they rise to the bait every time! :))x

#117
LOL People are often accused of needing their medication on these threads but you're the first to admit it.

#120Winged Messenger

Waz all that mean Eh?? I'll go and make meself extinct then ok.

and for the lack of "aesthetic posture" britain was lost.....perhaps Not... are you a ballet dancer..Umm...

#124 Hambo

Against people with disabilities as well Hambo how low will you sink..Cheers mate......

#125
No offence intended. Your disability appears to include a lack of a sense of humour. For someone who posts in a very abrasive manner you appear strangely sensitive

Buchannan

I've just read your post again... you are most definitely not a Scot.

You write about UK voting and government as if you have just read about it on an internet forum... which I suspect is the truth.

Have a chat with your Mr Bush about warmongering - I think you'll find that he has a lot more clout in that area than the English do.

Joanna cambs england

So no agenda then?
sad and parochial get a life

You people are just plain funny. First you believe a US warplane bombed a volcano because it was mistaken for a Libyan submarine. Does Libya even possess submarines? And if so, do those submarines look like volcanoes? You better check on that before actually printing such a ridiculous statement. I'd hate for you not to be right about the Libyan volcano-shaped submarines.

Then you write that the US "steals" oil from the middle east. That's because you apparently tune into Al Jazeera instead of the BBC. You also apparently have never realized that Europe is far more dependent on Middle East oil than the United States is. You also have never heard of the term "petrodollars." That refers to the huge profits, based in dollars, the Arabs make from selling their oil to Europe, Japan, and secondarily to other buyers, including the USA. Mind you, the Arabs didn't develop the oil fields on their own. It took enormous investment by American and other international oil companies to provide plant and expertise to get the oil up out of the ground. Now you're fighting over a volcanic island between Scotland and Ireland, and saying that whatever is underneath it belongs to Scotland. I suppose you think the moon belongs to Scotland too because you can see it from your back porch. That's ok. America got to the moon first. But unlike you Scots, we don't think it belongs exclusively to us.

How predictable, Buchannan....

Just because I've rumbled you as a wannabee Scot.... bet you do Tartan Day as well. lol

Folks, folks folks, this has descended into no more than a play ground fight, I can’t believe you are fighting over Scotland this England that. It’s a good job our troops don’t have this almost racist attitude towards each other. So Scotland goes it alone and Salmond fills our shores up with East Europeans and Muslims, and then have us controlled by Brussels sorry I much prefer our English neighbours. Scottish, British, and Proud

Polyanna cambs england

You wannabe a Scot ? Perhaps that is
your agenda. I could sponsor you if
you really want to.

Saor Alba

And the winner is,....Joanna :D Well done.

Major poopie pants- you are one of the passive aggressives - most unpleasant people IMO.
Buchannan, well,....no comment.

Don't bother honey...

I've got plenty of Scottish relations who will oblige if I was so inclined.

Pollyanna.... very American indeed - what a giveaway ;)

Martha , why dont you read the article yourself...
about the US bombing an underwater volcano...

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article217779.ece

I wasnt personally there so i cant vouch either way.

By the way SOME of us keep an open mind and arent so up our arse about our own country that we dont like the truth.

Oh, BOO HOO Mario (#118).........................but I never really wanted to be your friend anyway.

You're certainly WELL up your own arse as far as your attitude to folk from Sighthill is concerned!

Hmmm.

I read about this in the Express today, they were convinced Rockall was unequivocally UK territory.

And any agreement between Iceland, Ireland, Denmark and UK on mineral rights for the continental shelf would be null and void on Scotland regaining Independence.

Because it would then be Scotland's Isle.

133 Joanna
Joanna Ive just read a girl called Joanna.

Joanna please give up on Buchanan I was going to say he will never give up the last word.

T.hose kind of knowitall no nothing types never give up.

I think you have distroyed him he's proved he another Sean Connery

Wants everything the English have to give, like his start in the films, his title, his homes in Spain, pops back to Scotland in his kilt every so often to prove how Scottish he is

Like Buchannan trying to prove he's through and through a Scotsman

But funny they never live there do they Sir Sean

Nice pun Colonel Sah!

#139
Then he would have to pay a LOT of tax to a BRITISH Government.
Understand?
Excuse me for shouting.

140. Conan the Librarian

And if Guga gets a window box...It would be Scotland's Soil.

PS are you in any way related to that - here, there and everywhere Connan?

The one with the very entrenched views on just about everything, not necessarily opposing views, just ones that are not usually comfortable rubbing up against each-other inside the same brain.

139. Pinelands, Cape town

Hmm, nice to see Polyanna has a friend sounds
like you deserve each other.

Are you also a lost soul with no Agenda on
this Scottish newspaper forum ? Or perhaps
unlike your girlfriend you could enlighten
us what you agenda is - Unionist apologist
perhaps ?

To be compared with the likes of Sean Connery is a complement indeed, Thanks for your admiration.

Saor Alba

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/27/business/EU-FIN... They hardly need. Scotland does !

Hey Buchannan - pretendy Scot

What's your agenda? Independence for Scotland? This of course will be magically brought about by you whinging about the English and trying to ingratiate yourself with the Scots from your computer in California.... how pathetic!

You must feel so lonely and out of things in CA... and kilts and tweed must be so hot and itchy in that climate. Still never mind you can always look at your pseudo Scottish website and pretend anything you say will make any difference to politics in this country.

I especially like the way you come out with things like Unionist apologist - using all the right soundbites. Word of advice - that phrase is never used in England and is pretty meaningless to us as any true nationalist Scot would already know.

Rockall is near St Kilda & St Kilda is Scottish.
See http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=57.821355&lon=-8.569336...

146. Joanna, Cambs, England

You are correct as with any nationalist the
agenda is honest and straightforward
independence for Scotland - very glad to
hear that you appear to realize that at last.
Now we have that straight was is your agenda. ?
Or are you going continue avoiding the question,
perhaps you are ashamed of your agenda,
assuming you have one.

Word of advice - I really don't care what phrases
are or are not used in England.

I look forward to finally being told your agenda.

Saor Alba

Buchanana,

You don't get Joanna at all do you? She taking the P right oot o' ye!:D

Apologise for being a bogus Scot and she'll leave ye in peace am sure!!! She slaughtered you wi' the "mooning from California" jibe!!:D

Jist run up the white flag while you can!

Hi Guga - were you talking to me?

149. AJ of Fife

Agreed "taking the P right oot o' ye" appears
the only agenda I can discern. I was kind
of hoping beyond hope that there might be
more substance there, but apparently not.

Saor Alba

Oh, I see you are referring to post #5 by 'Guga III' and your paranoia makes you think that's me? No, not me - still just plain old Conan - always was and always will be. You should have known it wasn't 'me' because I see they spelled your handle 'guga' - small 'g' - and I would have posted with the correct capital 'G'. Good luck on your search for the true identity of the troll, as well as that of me. You're in good company. I understand that James Donald also has all my posts pinned on his bedroom wall as he sharpens his TA-issued bayonet in the hope that we'll meet again one day at Redford.

Buchannan

My agenda is as I pointed out ages ago ...... I disliked your rhetoric in post 8. The fact that you are an American pretending to be a Scot is what makes it all so very funny, especially the addition of the Gaelic phrase at the end of your posts. Hilarious the way you think that makes you sound more authentic.

The point about the use of the word 'Unionist' not being in use in England is, that if you were a Scottish nationalist you would already know that. More proof that you are playacting. So funny....:D

Anyway.... you carry on with your role play - whatever floats your boat and I'll carry on laughing at you.

Buchananan,

If you admit your guilt, I'm sure Joanna will curb her ire towards you, and maybe 'doing lunch' might be a possibility next time you make it to these shores!!

Buchanan & Guga. I see all your posts end with "Saor Alba"
I'm a native Gealic speaker and saor Alba actually means "scottish carpenter" Get your spelling right.

Saor is a carpenter.

Saoir is Freedom.

Saoir Alba...

153. Joanna, Cambs, England

My, My we are upset I guess
it must be living with all those
warmongering English leaches.

Saor Alba

AJ of Fife :))

I'm starting to wonder if he's ever even been here. Just learned a handy Gaelic phrase and gets dressed up in the auld clan tartan ordered off the internet.

Kids on he's a Scottish nationalist and derides the English because that's what he thinks they want to hear.

However, a true Scots nat like yourself may want independence for Scotland but would also like to stay pals with the folk next-door. Its a small island after all and it would be silly to fall out with each other just because we have seperate Governments.

You see, Buchannan there is no need for all the rhetoric and hatred from outsiders such as yourself - the whole thing will be amicably decided at the ballot box.

Samhain#155,

Brilliant!!! Thanks for that, it's the funniest thing yet!:DD

# 65, Gerry.

Would like to point out the following:

Rockall approximately 57 degrees 35 minutes 48 seconds North, 13 degrees 41 minutes 19 seconds West.
Distance to:

Nearest point of Tory Island, Republic of Ireland approximately 55 degrees 16 minutes 26.2 seconds North, 8 degrees 15 minutes 8.9 seconds West; is approximately 423.3 kilometres / 263.0 statute miles / 228.6 nautical miles.

Aird an Runair, North Uist approximately 57 degrees 36 minutes 9.7 seconds North, 7 degrees 32 minutes 56.4 seconds West; is approximately 367.0 kilometres / 228.0 statute miles / 198.1 nautical miles.

Oh dear, Buchannan, you can't even render the 'trying to prove I'm Scottish' Gaelic phrase properly.

LMAO :D

Good one Samhain :))

Joanna,

As you know, it's Westminster that gets ma goat, not the English people!! Especially Raquel Welch look-a-likes such as yersel!!;-)

# 159.
All coordinates in WGS84.

AJ of Fife.....

Right about Westminster... and there's plenty of the English warmongering blood sucking leeches like me that agree with you!! :D

So funny ....

Joanna, you really are the most tiresome little girl.

You've been running around your playpen for most of the day, getting overexcited, and it really is time for bed.

Major make a comment tho' didn't I?

Even if you haven't got anything interesting to say!! lol

Buchannan, you were a tosser for labelling all English in the way you did and it's that kind of crap which turns a lot of people away from voting SNP. Although I am Scottish, I have English in my family tree and I'm not a fan of war nor a small black sucky thing.

Joanna, you've had your go at Buchannan and in the meantime used the Scottish culture to attack him which is insulting to a large number of people who didn't offend you. It's getting boring now (well it was boring in the first place, but I suppose you have a right to defend yourself).

AJ, I think you're in love. AJ and Joanna in a tree, K.I.S.S.I.N.G.... ;-)

Me, I'm not the forum police and probably better keeping quiet and rarely posting as usual. I should know better. But I don't and was insulted enough as a lanky runt of a kid that now as a brute of a man can ignore insults, acting like a gwoady up.

Kids, it's boring.

Nice rock though.

I couldn't wait until tomorrow, had to check this thread to see what pish Captain America was posting now.

#155 You have really made my day with that post.
The timing coudn't be better.

Book marked for future use :D

Tim @ 166

Fair point, and if I have offended you I apologise to you, it was not intentional.

Well, I reckon Tim's ruled on Joanna's side and that's good enough for me!!:-D

Tim,

Joanna's a bit feisty, but she's also a bit special!;-) Think Raquel Welch at 40, with a wee bit of Catherine Deneuve and Gina Lollobrigida thrown in, and you're there!!!

Tell me where I can get a free carpenter?

WOOF-check out the cyber wars, hooboy. Guga- I've got a canoe, and a 12 gauge ( Though, single shot) shotgun, and I'll help ya. ; )

Hmmmm. AJ might you be over-egging the pudding? :D Sorry Joanna.

#165

Tim's comment is spot on. Yes, Joanna, you can be such a naughty girl,and I'm STILL waiting for anything interesting YOU might have had to say since #63..................

Now, I know you'll scream and scream and scream until you're sick (so what's new!) but it really is tim for bed. Nighty night.

It's even TIME for bed!

Say what you mean Peajay... don't hold back. No-one else does!! :))

Night Major - don't forget to use your night oil :))

Ooooh look at me, just like forum police, judge and executioner! Grrrrrr, be afraid!

Joanna, because you didn't slag off bagpipes or Gaelic singing I can find it in my cold cold heart to forgive you.

AJ You fancy Joanna...you fancy Joanna...you fancy Joanna! Feisty belongs to the News24 news reader only, I prefer my women all pitiful and needy (sorry Joanna) - makes me feel brutish, grrrrr. ;-)

Still, nice rock. Someone will buy it someday and stick something stupid on it, like a hotel or a beach resort.

Joanna, you're obsessed with oil, m'dear. Visions of you smothered in the baby variety........................

I don't want anyone thinking that AJ's your special boy, not when there are so many other opportunities with so many well-rounded, mentally stable, if not a little hirsute members of this board whose knuckles often scrape nearer to terra firma than a wee pollyanna requires.

Joanna,

Despite the Major taking Tim to bed, he's got an eye for a Raquel/Catherine/Gina type of girl!!!:D

Mooning:
The blue-faces didn't 'moon' the chappit tatties in "Braveheart". To moon is to drop one's pants and show one's bare bum. They lifted their kilts and displayed their dangly bits if I recall correctly - and an inspiring sight it was, too!.
By the way are there any mooses, meeces, or whatever on Rockall? Or merely rock wallabies? And because of the birdpoo might there not be a secondary industry in guano (bird poo) mining there? Just a thought. Rockall could become the guano capital of the Northern Hemisphere as Nauru was in the Southern one.

Major... ooh you are awful .... :))

Thing is you have to mention oil every so often because that's what this article is about. Otherwise the moderators and forum people get upset.

Tim

Thanks - you should post more often :)) Good idea to mention the rock as well... keep to the topic a bit!

Peajay.....

Its like a smorgasbord on here !! :D

Might have thought of taking you to bed instead, AJ (you know you want to) but of course you have horny thoughts for Joanna.

Joanna, when has the article, or anything remotely connected to the topic, ever entered your pretty little head?

Major,

I suppose the clue is in your name!!! Sorry, but I'm a strictly front loading afficionado!!!

Oh dear, I seem to have created a love fest. Nevermind, make love not war and all that. I'm tempted with a play on words, but will just say that Major is not taking me to any bed!

Joanna I don't post on here often as I have a life don't you know? I swear I do, I just left it under a rock... :-/

On the subject of rocks, when I was a runt I had a collection of them in my bedroom (I lived in the countryside okay, there wasn't much else to do). My parents didn't like a pile of rubble being kept indoors though so I was forced to take them outside again. Would be just my luck if there had been a wealth of oil under one of them.

Never mind AJ - those who protest the most are usually those most firmly rooted in the closet.

Oh, and Joanna - don't forget the the Oil (of Olay). One has to remain on topic, don't you know.

Buchanan. whatever numbers

My agenda probably like Joanna, discussions, comments views and fair play.

Whats yours sorry I now remember.

"Oh yes it I'm the great pretender"

Joanna I think you finally ran him into the ground.

Puffin,

I believe it was you that brought poofery up!!! Never quite seen the attraction of drain pipe engineering....with a bloke. Each tae their ain a suppose!

Pinelands,

I think Joanna destroyed the boy!!:D I tried to warn the sucker!!:D

Have you all gone totally MAD???!!! What has poofery to do with guano islands and methane farting meeces? Stay on the subject, dammit! Thuunderbox.? Speak to these strange people!
I think I'll have a late lunch now. Haggis on toast.

I blame the feminists.

Oh here Joanna doll..jist read back oan post 164....that wis a 'major' pass he made at you there by the way...cannae turn that doon..might turn oot tae be a 'Major puffing stud'...ye never know dae ye?...

And all that talk aboot 'oil'...even old Alf Kinsey blindfolded an daen a bunjey jump wid hiv been screamin "He's chokin fir ye doll!"...

Bye the way...poor Jeanne wis a mentally ill wee lassie thit the English burnt...tch tch tch...terrible..

Hello Horrible Cankers Esq

Nice to see you back on here and well on form ;)

I wonder if they used oil to get the fire going and the faggots blazing for poor old Jeanne. They were brutes in those days right enough.

See you around - watch out for trolls :))

Wee Jean wiz great!!! Rubbish haircut tho'!

Awrite there Canky and Joanna!!!

Joanna, you do realise I had a wee snifter last night and am no really coming on tae ye?

Aye...plenty on the go the day...gien poor 'ThatScottishwoman' grief as usual...on the Burma story...feckin pain in the erse...

I'm trying tae git a fire gaun the noo...no that bliddy easy...dont think thit thirs supposed tae be aw that smoke in the room either...aw well...me an Shugee will be smellin like a couple o' Abroath smokies fir the next couple o' days...dont think its going to be too good fir the nice 'sand dune' paint oan the wa's either...

Dont listen tae that AJ wan Joanna...'es always bliddy 'sniffin' aboot...never mind 'snifter'...I'l gie 'im snifter so ah will!