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Why did Bliar and Bush not attempt a regime change in Zimbabwe? Could the lack of known oil deposits have any bearing?
Guga #5
Personally I wish Bush and Blair would remove mugabe. This man has ruined a thriving economy and brought his people to their knees. His cronies live lavish lifestyles while the rest of his people starve and are made homeless. I realise bush and blair will never do it but I desperately wish they would.
Mugabe has the support of other dictators. They have stopped any moves to oust him, because they would be next. Bush and Blair cannot remove Mugabe quite simply because no neighbouring country would allow them access to launch a military offensive: for Iraq they had Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, for Afganistan they had support from the government in Kabul. Military action against Mugabe is not feasible. And economic sanctions have not hurt Mugabe's Swiss bank account.
Die Mugabe! Do your country a very great favour and die in pain and agony. Soon, would be good!
Well, there you have it ,Sinnerman, the quick way to topple dictatorships - invade Switzerland and take over their bank accounts.
#9, excelent idea!
RE: The headline. Africa should be so lucky.
#7 the biggest supporter, and the one without whom he would not survive, is Pres Thabo Mbeki of South Africa, to whom he is related by marriage and who's father and Mugabe were great friends.
The worst that Mbeki has threatened Mugabe with is to "entering into dialogue" with him. Mind you, if you've heard one of Mbeki's speeches, that's no idle threat.
Do not ever forget, that it was a British Labour government, under Harold Wilson, that let this bampot get into power.
Remember Ian Smith? - He knew, he knew.... In retrospect, the much-blamed colonial rule perhaps was not so bad at all. What has happened in Africa since the colonial powers withdrew is there clearly for anyone to be seen....
#12 Yes, lets never forget that. He stabbed the country in the back good and proper. The only "free and fair" election was the first. What did they say at the time: "One Man, One Vote, ONCE".
Some of Mugabe's relatives live lavish life-styles in South Africa. Why? They don't want to live in such a S*** country as Zimbabwe.
Where's Media1 on THIS subject?? Strangely quiet, isn't he??
Anybody with half a wit knew this was going to happen after Ian Smith lost power....Present day Rhodesia/Zimbabwe is the consequence of Wilson/Labor stupidity.
Zimbabwe was the bread basket of Africa. The Chinese know a thing or 2 about farming. The potential mineral wealth is also huge. With all these wonderful natural resources Mugabe has not only failed horrendously but has shown incompetence on a continental scale. The guy is seriously deranged, he'd be sectioned in the UK. (oops forgot about the bad baroness).
yes, why bother with a UN..... if this can happen. the UN could topple his A hole without landing a troop on his soil. Again however like Iraq there would be tribal aftermaths.
2 solution....... i) do nothing ii) hit them with sufficient power that the aftermaths stop! legal slaughter if thats what it takes..... we are not talking about rational humans here
#3, 18....why not China? Can only the USA, GB, France, Germany, Spain, Russia be colonial or have a vested interest.
Dictatorships everywhere, absolutely everywhere, are doomed from Day One. Check the historical records. Trouble is it can take a helluva long time to get rid of the madmen (Mugabe in this dreadful case), during which time untold suffering is inflicted on a long-suffering public. Sad, so sad.
#5--Guga & #6--Oliver F--why not call for the other African nations to step in & oust this monster. why not call for the UN to step in & do something, anything? why must the USA always get tagged? where do the African nations stand on the murders of millions of innocent Africans these past yrs??
Sandy #22
"why not call for the other African nations to step in & oust this monster. why not call for the UN to step in & do something, anything? why must the USA always get tagged? "
Hi sandy. African countries are far too corrupt and to be blunt the UN is a nice idea but innefective. Look at Darfur as a prime example of UN inaction. The UN is no more succesful than the League of Nations which preceded it. I said I wished the UK and US would remove mugabe. I didnt say they would.
Mugabe is a monster who has done bugger-all for his country, except bankrupt it and condemn its honest citizens to a life of misery.
Sandy and Oliver above, good points, lads. But corruption is an Africa-wide thing. Sad and bad for millions of lovely people. Hellish.
The reason that Mugabe is in power still is that all theAfrican leaders will not side with the west agaist one of there own, they will not publicly condem him,What would the outcry be if Ian Smith had done similar in Rhodesia, it is very true for evil to succeed all it requires is for (the west ) good men do nothing.This is the man Knighted ` SIR ROBERT` if there is any real intention by the west to help Africa the must remove these kind of people from power
Everyplace you Brits were never kicked out of, you left a mess. After a few decades ripping off the third world countries that is. Your govt is the buggest drug dealer in history. Brits sold opium to the Chinese and it was a monopoly. When y'aal are thru stealing whats left of Scottish oil you will fall on your faces again.
Now would be a good time to start paying back the natives of RHODESIA all the diamonds that you stole from them for years.
26 'everyplace you Brits were never kicked out of, you left a mess'. I think that is the pot calling the kettle black only, in the U.S. case it's the country you were kicked out of(Vietnam) and, the one you are about to be kicked out of (Iraq).
Has it occured to anyone where the vermin will run to , when the crash comes. Wouldnt be here now, would it.Was there not a report of some of them already making nests in London, about a year back?.
The only way things will change is when Mugabe takes the dirt nap.Then there will be change after change after change & whoever is standing last will have won.If you ask the UN to come in they will but wont do anything but have resolution after resolution.
#25. Good point, Oder. In Queensland we had a police commissioner who'd been knighted for services to the people. But he was proved to be on the take and got 14 years for it. He also lost his knighthood, which is what happens to those who are honoured who subsequently fall from grace. Mugabe is well and truly in this category so why not petition your queen to withdraw his knighthood? It would be a small token gesture, but it could count for something. Loss of face?
The old Rhodesians had lived there all their lives.
What ever made the rest of the world think that they were so backward that they did not know how things worked in Africa.
Warning after warning was given that there would be disaster if a terrorist orginization took over the reigns of power.
There could be no doubt that Mugabe was the leader of a terrorist orginization. All the evidence was there. But Lord Soams and Owen and Wilson chose to ignore it. They had other agendas to fill.
I think that it is time for the Queen to apologize to the Rhodesians for setting their country on the path to destruction.
16. Franklin Where's Media1 on THIS subject?? Strangely quiet, isn't he??Learned from another forum - that he’s away in Durban, watching cars go around and around - back Monday.
25. oder, Scotland / 8:11pm 24 Feb 2007 This is the man Knighted ` SIR ROBERT`Didn’t he also receive an honorary degree from Edinburgh University?Yes “In reaction to human rights violations in Zimbabwe, students at universities from which Mugabe has honorary doctorates have sought to get the degrees revoked. So far, student bodies at Michigan State University (ASMSU) and the University of Edinburgh (EUSA) have each unanimously passed resolutions calling for this.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_MugabeLook at this he has more degrees than a top Mason.Never have understood ‘honorary degrees’ (never bother to learn about them. Always seemed weird.
As I recall when Mugabe took over, he did not do so on his own, but there was another man who was from a different tribe. It wasn't long before this second man (whose name I cannot remember) and many of his tribe were slaughtered on Mugabe's orders.
Does anyone remember that 'nice young man' who was very vociferous in supporting this duo and in castigating Ian Smith and his government? I do believe his name was PETER HAIN!!! And where is he now? He's a Minister of Cabinet rank in the Westminster Labour government. Now there's a surprise!! I believe when asked about his view on Mugabe, he replied -Mugabe was a bit of a disappointment!! I'm sure the Rhodesians/Zimbabweans might wish to use a somewhat stronger word.
The joint leaders name you seek was Nkomo.He was full of warnings about what Mugabwe was and what he would become. He knew his enemy but no one listened.
26), 27) I am no great supporter of British Imperialism but you sir are an ignorant American hypocrit.How many red (Skins) were taken to make way for the "civilised" european to take their land. How manytransported African slaves is the American state built on. You still mistreat their surviving descendants, whilsttrying to show much older civilisations how to live the american dream of death, destruction, genocide, and exploitation of poeple and land. You live in a beautiful country, which you are slowly destroying, a great landspolied only by most of the people who live there.
