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Nicholson and Aluko lead exodus as Aberdeen announce 11 departures



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Published Date: 16 April 2008
JIMMY Calderwood has started his cull of the current Pittodrie playing staff, but is disappointed that Barry Nicholson and Sone Aluko are on the list of 11 who are going next month.
The Aberdeen manager paid £250,000 to bring Nicholson from Dunfermline but will lose his star midfielder for nothing under freedom of contract in the summer. Aluko has been recalled to Birmingham City by Pittodrie legend Alex McLeish, who is now man
ager at St Andrews, while fellow England under-19 midfielder Josh Walker will also be returning to Middlesbrough at the end of his loan spell.

Goalkeeper Derek Soutar will not be offered a new deal after his blunders against Falkirk and in Saturday's Scottish Cup semi-final defeat to Queen of the South, and back-up goalkeeper Greg Kelly is also going.

Steve Lovell, a £250,000 signing from Dundee who has failed to earn a regular starting berth up front, has also been told to find another club along with Richie Byrne, Dave Bus, Dan Smith and Jonathan Smith. Byrne has struggled with injury since moving from Dunfermline in 2005, Bus has only played five times since signing a short-term deal in January, while Dan Smith and Jonathan Smith have mostly featured on the bench.

Lee Miller has asked for more time to consider his options but Calderwood admits he can't wait too long for a decision given the need to find a suitable replacement for the striker.

But it is the loss of Nicholson, who has been an influential player for him at Aberdeen and Dunfermline, that has been the biggest blow for the Aberdeen manager. "It is obviously disappointing that Barry has decided to move on but it didn't come as a big surprise," said Calderwood.

"I didn't want to lose him as he has been our best player this season and we will have to replace a very valuable member of the team. But he wanted a fresh challenge at this stage of his career and I understand that even if I would have preferred him to stay.

"It will be very hard to bring in someone with the same sort of ability because he has been an influential player who has scored a lot of goals as well.

"We would also like to have held on to Sone for a bit longer because he has made a major impact in his time here but he is returning to Birmingham City for the new season.

"As far as Lee is concerned, he is leaving his options open at the moment and hopefully he will eventually stay but we have to prepare a team with the new campaign in mind."

Calderwood insists the decisions he has come to about those who have to go were taken over a period of months and not the days following the humiliating Scottish Cup semi-final defeat.

It is simply that the loss to First Division Queen of the South was the catalyst for this action, with the certainty that more will follow in the summer. He added: "Changes were already planned before the Hampden semi-final but obviously that defeat against Queen of the South made our minds up on a few other issues. This is just the start of the cull and others will be leaving the club in the near future as we continue our rebuilding plans. I want to thank all the lads who won't be here next season for the contribution they have made to the club and wish them all the best for the future."

Another two players whose futures remain in doubt are Stuart Duff and Alan Maybury. Both were brought to the club by Calderwood in the January transfer window and will be given until the end of the season before any decisions are made regarding their future.



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1

KingKenny,

16/04/2008 01:20:32
Aberdeen will change Squad. I hope leaving members stay Scotland..
2

Fayneant,

NZ 16/04/2008 01:42:49
Another end of season, another cleanout at Pittodrie.

Aberdeen are fast becoming a bad joke.

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16/04/2008 02:09:42
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16/04/2008 02:12:24
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bring them on,

16/04/2008 07:07:48
Surely it's 12, if you include Calderwood.
6

CaliforniaBhoy,

16/04/2008 07:20:00
Sorry to intrude but when I looked at the Scotsman online just after 5 pm California time (1 am Glesga time), the comments section on the Celtic/rangers game had the following posted by the Scotsman:

"Commenting on this article has been suspended"

WTF? Are we children to be pre-empted from speaking when the supposed Embra adults at The Scotsman decide that Weegies should be seen (probably not even that) but not heard!

The Scotsman is acting more like the KGB than a free press!

Anyway, back to your discussion!
7

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 16/04/2008 07:24:43
No real surprises here, all the players mentioned are either out of contract, loan players or on the fringes of the squad. I think this is established practice for football clubs every year and hardly makes us a 'joke'. Even if we had made it to the Cup Final and clinched 3rd place these guys were all on there way.

This will only be the start though, some first teamers are likely to be culled with Captain Fantastic Scott Severen and Jackie Mac leading the way. Doesn't change the key question, can we find replacements that improve on what we have? Whatever anyone says on this board Calderwood is going absolutely nowhere for now and no amount of provocation will change this. Since when did the AFC board listen to the fans? Well they better be lucky because if he bungles this transfer campaign we're going to be in a far bigger mess than we are now.
8

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 07:25:51
#6 I was the same when I came into work at 8.00am (4.00am UK time).

I guess all the usual suspects were on earlier spouting bile and venom and got the comments page closed down.

P.S. I think Aberdeen will be in dire straights next season regardless of who's in charge !
9

bring them on,

16/04/2008 07:27:01
No doubt this one will be suspended too, unless we post things like - good effort by Aberdeen. Have you seen the new strip.
10

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 07:31:57
Shocking that you can comment on Chelsea (who are in the EPL) but can't say anything about Rangers or Celtic (both in the SPL) in a "Scottish" paper !!

Big Brother is watching ;-)
11

Jambo-ree,

16/04/2008 07:52:48
#6 and #10 In my experience over the last couple of years on these threads, there are two categories the Scotsman uses to prevent comment. One is not to allow any comment at all from the word go i.e. no 'Comment on this Story' box is available and the other is 'Comment is Suspended'.

So what it looks like is that commenting was allowed initially but true to form ex-pat OF fans were indulging in unacceptable behaviour in their comments. You bring it on yourselves guys.
12

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 16/04/2008 07:53:26
Sadly I agree with your PS Angoos. I have this feeling I'm about to watch a re-run of the old Aberdeen classic 'How to Fire A Manager You Already Knew Was Totally Inept In 100 days'. Closely followed by 'Mission Impossible' starring whomever is this year's version of Steve Paterson / Alex Miller. Its depressing enough knowing that this season has been a disaster but has at least given us a platform to build on thanks to transfer fees and the UEFA Cup run. But that this all about to be wasted, taking the club back 5 years.

There may be a few posters who think I am being a wee bit pessimistic here but that's my honest opinion as a Dons fan.
13

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 08:04:17
#12 I agree with your opinion if it's any consolation.

It appears to me (and I may be wrong) that Mr Milne has been restricting the amount of investment in Aberdeen over the past decade or so until the fate of your new stadium is decided. I then fear that once Pittodrie is sold Mr Milne will up sticks and leave with his pockets filled and leave Aberdeen to whatever fate has in store for them.

Sad state of affairs if it turns out that way.
14

thebigiam,

london 16/04/2008 08:05:29
I must admit to being a Celtic fan, so I'm looking in from the outside, but I'm a bit surprised at how unpopular Calderwood is.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't he had (another) really bad season with injuries? And doesn't he deserve a bit of credit for the UEFA Cup run?

I'd have more of a go at your chairman who is worth a mint, but doesn't put his hand in his pocket...
15

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 16/04/2008 08:17:49
#14

They're reasonable points you are making, I think though that weighing things up there is more bad than good. Yes the league positions have improved and the UEFA run was an achievment of note but that has to be weighed against the negatives:

1. Horrible football. Pretty much from day 1.
2. Being consistently outplayed by just about any SPL team (and now 1st division as well)!
3. Failure to get the team to a Cup Final. In the time he's been here Dunfermline, Hibs, Utd,. (twice!), Hearts, Gretna, Killie..... you get my point. Football fans cannot live off consistency, you need some excitement.
4. A compete loss of nous in the transfer market. we haven't purchased a player who has made an impact since Lee Miller and he's really just been average.

It's more the fear of what's coming that has got me worried. Calderwoods record is on the face of it OK, I've just lost faith in him for taking us forward. I would love to be wrong and I'm going to get the chance to be proved wrong as he'll be around next season.

Regarding Milne I've never really gone in for this 'spend your money nonsense'. Its his cash and its not like he is holding back investment from anyone else. The idea that Aberdeen can only thrive with golden handouts is ludicrous. Look around us, there are plaenty of examples of what can be done with a well managed youth system. That's Calderwood's (and Miller's) biggest failure.

Interesting to hear from a Celtic fan on this as it looks like celtic are in a similar position. An unpopular manager (with the support) whom most outsiders have done a decent job.
16

Almatydon,

Kazakhstan 16/04/2008 08:21:45
Yeah Jimmy has had a lot of problems with injuries, nearly all of the players he signs are injury prone,the only one we have missed, and the best out of a dire bunch, is Jamie Smith, who has hardly managed to string together two cosecutive games all season and has played about one game since Xmas. Regarding the UEFA Cup run, Aberdeen were very fortunate to progress to the last 32 benefitting from the tournament format, in fact we only won one out of the 8 games we played and heavily defeated in another 3.
17

what a chancer,

a pitch 16/04/2008 08:29:08
aberdeen needed the chairman to build the new stand,transfer of bill was met with share options,he has covered the debt and doing the same as tom farmer,he has spent his loose change years ago no more.
18

occasional,

16/04/2008 08:31:49
Rats leave sinking ship.
19

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 16/04/2008 08:42:27
Ewe won't have anyone left!
20

Starchief,

16/04/2008 08:42:46
#14 As an ICT fan, I completely agree with you. Calderwood has done a decent job at Aberdeen. They need to lose McNamara though. Reminds me of when Brian McClair signed for Motherwell. A spent force if ever there was one.

Now Calderwood, with no money to spend I suspect, must find some gems because Aberdeen have an undeniable right to top six (in fact higher - that obviously isn't good enough), cup finals, European runs and scintillating football on a budget of...nil!

Face facts Dons fans, you're in the same boat as the rest of the virtually bankrupt teams, like Killie, ICT, Motherwell and the rest. Sometimes you're up, sometimes you're down!
21

what a chancer,

a lob 16/04/2008 08:42:49
the only way forward like the rest is to bring through the youth team,cant afford the the rest let them go.
22

ninenro,

16/04/2008 08:46:05
14
Almost mirror image of your own club only I feel there will be more than eleven leaving.
23

what a chancer,

chip and run 16/04/2008 08:48:09
the debt increases when you chase the the front runners,but still end up with no value for money leave the signing on fee footballers to some other chairman with loose change.
24

Robbo,

Cape Town 16/04/2008 09:02:57
#11 Dont think it was necessarily the ex-pats as Fay and Rask are not that bad, probably the locals just back from the pub!
25

SouthSideHibs,

16/04/2008 09:05:07
Isn't Barry Nicholson joining Hearts? The Kickbackers seem to think so...
26

Goggsy,

South Torry 16/04/2008 09:06:45
I'm sick of the whinging from Dons fans that's been continuous almost since the start of this season. Can you name a single manager that could do a better job than Calderwood that would actually *want* the job? Any takers?

The comment about Walter Smith or WGS getting more out of the players just about sums up the fantasy world that most supporters seem to inhabit these days. Get real, we're currently the 5th best supported team in Scotland, not the third and Calderwood has achieved miracles with the amount of cash available to him. Yes, I'm p1ssed about the semis this season too, but let's have a reality check here.

The decline of Aberdeen started with Alex Smith being hounded out of Pittodrie.
27

Dublin Don,

16/04/2008 09:21:17
Alex Smith was another one the "real" fans didnt like. Supposedly the earlier success of that team was all down to Jocky Scott. Thats always been beyond me how the fans could know that.
28

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 16/04/2008 10:15:32
#26

I think reluctantly I have to agree with sentiment of your comments. JC is going nowhere (for now) so we might as well back him. I think he should have gone in january as it was obvious he was starting to think he had taken the club as far as he could go. It was definitely a case of nonone else wants me so I'll stay here. I've just lost trust in the guy now, I expect to be dissapointed with the players bought in and I don't think our lack of finaces are a valid excuse. De Vischer, Bus, Mair, Duff, Jonathan Smith (!?!), McNamara... That's a shocking recent run and you don't even need hindsight to have seen that! Its says something when Derek Young is considered a success!

On the strength of his record he definitely does not deserve the sack. Based on belief in his abilities to manage the club in its current position... That's where I'm concerned.
29

C.,

16/04/2008 10:15:56
i don't blame calderwood for what is going on just now. i blame the players and the owner..... too many of the players are being lazy, and milne is not putting his hand in his pocket to help the club. he is one of the richest men in scotland, if not the uk, but doesn't dig deep.it wouldn't suprise me if he only took over aberdeen for the land the ground is on, so that one day he can knock it down and build flats, and up to the present day, look what he is trying to do. get the council to build a city stadium. can't see that happening as they are 27million short or was that of cuts, can't remember. and with regards to some of the backroom staff. can anyone tell me of a club who has sacked a manager, only to bring him back as a director of football.... no offence. willie was a great player for club and country, but once he left aberdeen, they should have never brought him back.
30

bring them on,

16/04/2008 10:16:07
Alex Smith? Under-rated.
31

ninenro,

16/04/2008 10:18:48
It`s poor that we are being discouraged from discussing tonight`s OF game on these threads. Maybe it`s some self policing to impress the PC brigade !!
Shame on you !! Call yourself The Scotsman !! Not exactly a Braveheart move !!
32

Royalty,

Zandvoort 16/04/2008 10:20:56
Jimmy C should return to The Netherlands.

The best small country in the world, with some of the best young players anywhere (apart from Murray Park).

Jimmy still has a fine reputation in Holland despite his spell at Aberdeen.

33

Black Five,

edinburgh 16/04/2008 10:25:33
Comment 30 ....yesHe along with a procession of managers have never remotely achieved anything like Ferguson.That`s Aberdeen`s problem.They have too much expectation.Truth of the matter is they are Scotland`s Newcastle.They are geographically too far North.No one in their right mind would stay up there.Just as Newcastle who would want to stay there.It`s a no win situation and Saturday`s result will not be the last like that.Untill they can attact better players and that means paying them to play and stay up there it`s a no go.It`s just not going to happen.Only challenge to the old firm is Hearts and Hibs and both clubs seem unwilling to hold on to their best players ,allowing them to travel West along the M 8 .Untill Romanov and Petrie decide that they are going to put up a challenge it will be Celtic and Rangers.Aberdeen never.
34

DonaldDon,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 10:27:49
#15 - you hit the nail on the head big time.

A club like Aberdeen can only survive by bringing through good young players and then hope to make a good buck out of them if they are any good. Look at the profit and loss account at Hibs, and you can see the way they have been keeping themselves afloat by producing and selling really good young players. Now they have a decent training ground, I expect they will be producing even more good youngsters, and keeping their balance sheet in the black.

The 2 Jimmy's have brought through how many outstanding youngsters...struggling here...ok, Maguire looks ok and Diamond has his good days. Foster can be ok if played in the right position. Considine should be a centre forward not a centre half!!! Not many clubs are going to be offering millions for these players.

Stewart Milne should have used his cash to buy a bit of land that could be developed into training facilities and a football academy for the whole of the North East. That would have been a philanthropic legacy for him to be proud of. There has been a large lack of long-term vision at board level at Aberdeen...

And finally, can Jimmy Calderwood coach his team to defend. The team always lose their shape after they have had the ball, and don't know where they should be when they lose it and are trying to get it back. Defence and attack are team efforts.

Dons fan losing interest in all football due to boredom that is the SPL. By the way, the EPL is just as bad with only Man U and Chelsea ever likely to win the league, as they've got the most money...football has just become a reflection on society...who has the most money has the power to make even more money to the detriment of the rest of us.
35

Indie Rep Kid,

16/04/2008 10:43:01
#34

"football has just become a reflection on society...who has the most money has the power to make even more money to the detriment of the rest of us"

spot on, and until this is addressed, the future is dull

for starters, i would support the OF in Europe if their prize/sponsorship money was split equally amongst their national clubs and not just used to fund raids on the cream of talent to sit on their benches

i might even have supported Aberdeen if I thought the prize/sponsorship money would be split!
36

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 16/04/2008 10:44:35
One of the interesting thing about Hearts is that the increased gates generated by the early days of Romanov have pretty much remained the norm This is despite an equaly poor period for them. Similarly the Hibbee bounce has stayed solid despite players being sold on. What this demonstrates is that once you get back into the habbit of going to the games its difficult to shake. Aberdeen are right now demonstrating the opposit of this.

We seem to be in a catch 22 here with our youth system. No decent training facilities to bring on the youth = no decent players to sell on = no money for facilities! We seem to be hanging on for a super-duper new stadium with state of the art training facilities which at the earliest won't appear for 5 years and in reality will probably come to nothing! Meanwhile we will continue to clear dog sh!t from parks to allow us to train when they are not frozen over / waterlogged. It has been obvious that this situation has hindered us this season and that at least cannot be Jimmy's fault.

We need an all weather training facility ASAP or the club is going to slide further. The board need to put forward a coherent vision for this with or more likely without the new stadium.
37

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 10:44:46
It's going to be a long and problematic season for Aberdeen next time round I fear.
I reckon most of the players in the squad are quite happy to try and achieve a top 6 finish and MAYBE get a European run by doing well in the cup.
It always amazes me how they can be a decent team against either of the OF yet seem to struggle when playing the likes of Kilmarnock, ICT, etc. (no offence to those other teams intended).
In my opinion the players should take a long hard look at themselves as it is down to them to produce the goods on the park and NOT the manager !

Anyway, as there's no "official" thread to discuss the OF game tonight I'll give my views here.

It's too close to call... ;-)
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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 10:49:24
#35 Indie

Your comments beggar belief !!!

"I would support the OF in Europe if their prize/sponsorship money was split equally amongst their national clubs"

Surely you AREN'T being serious ???

The rewards that successful teams obtain is for their SUCCESS !

How would you feel if you were rewarded a bonus at work and then told you had to share it with everyone even if they had done nothing but sit on their backsides all day ?? No doubt you'd be handing them their share AND a cut of your wages as an "extra" ?? I DON'T think so !!
39

Iain Bhern,

16/04/2008 10:51:33
"Isn't Barry Nicholson joining Hearts?"
yes you're right #25. He isn't!
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Iain Bhern,

16/04/2008 11:01:13
#38 I agree with your comments regarding the OF sharing prize/sponsorship money. However what I don't agree with is their attitude that they should get the lion's share of TV money for SPL games. Quite simply put, if there weren't other teams in the league for them to play there would be no revenue for them at all. TV money should be shared out equally. At least that way their constant bleating about lack of competition in the SPL might be partly resolved. If every club had an equal share of the pot then the so called weaker teams might be able to hold on to some of their talent instead of selling them to the OF as benchwarmers!
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SouthSideHibs,

16/04/2008 11:02:30
#36 Flip

Interesting point of view. We've spent nearly £5m on a training facility, which on the face of it seems like a lot of money.

I don't actually think we've seen the benefit of it yet in terms of performances in the SPL, but that will come I'm sure.

Clubs with poor or no facilities will find it harder to attract players in future, it's where the players do most of their 'work' after all. Sooner or later you'll need to fork out for an 'Academy' or get into a JV with a Uni, so it's a bit of a vicious circle as you say.
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Iain Bhern,

16/04/2008 11:11:26
Just a thought for sheep fans to ponder on the clearout that's been announced. One of two things will happen. Either the players will think "well I'm leaving anyway" and won't try a leg for the remaining games or in the hope of finding a new club they'll start playing out of their skins
43

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 11:14:58
#40 Iain

The OF get the lion's share of the TV money because they are taking part in almost every game that is televised.
Your statement "if there was no other teams in the League for them to play then they would have no revenue" works both ways.
If not for the OF then there would in all likelihood be NO TV deal at all.
This can be confirmed by checking the ratings for all games shown involving the OF against those shown that don't include the OF.
It's a case of supply and demand I'm afraid.
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Indie Rep Kid,

16/04/2008 11:19:16
#38 Just thinking aloud, mate. Many companies will pay a bonus based on the company performance which goes even to the workshy staff...the good workers would always get additional bonuses

Maybe 50% to the club and the rest split?

Or we could just carry on with the OF winning all the money and using it to buy talent from other clubs, thus weakening them, thus making the OF stronger, thus ensuring they will never be challenged, thus ensuring they always qualify for Europe, thus ensuring they get richer etc etc etc



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Iain Bhern,

16/04/2008 11:28:07
#43 Oh yes agreed they do have the bigger pulling power BUT as you say it works two ways. They still need someone to play to get on TV in the first place.
As it happens the best game I've seen all season didn't involve either of the OF and appropriately given the article this thread is attached to it involved Aberdeen. For the neutral the game on Saturday was excellent entertainment. What more could you want, end to end stuff, seven goals and a good few near misses! I can't remember the last game involving either of the OF I saw that I could honestly say "I was entertained" and that at the end of the day is what TV is all about.
46

Indie Rep Kid,

16/04/2008 11:38:31
#45 Old Firm games are traditionally shocking and the only reason they get decent viewing figures is non-OF fans watching in the hope it's a kicking match with the stretcher bearers hopelessly overworked

It's the same reason I only ever watch Formula 1 up to the first corner, then switch over.
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Iain Bhern,

16/04/2008 11:52:21
#46 I wasn't actually talking about OF derbies but I agree with your point. Actually if you ignore the results and take a neutral stance you would find that few derby games anywhere in the world are exceptionally good games to watch. Principally because neither team wants to lose, rather than both teams want to win, so they tend to be defensive stalemates!
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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 11:52:45
#44 Indie

Companies pay bonuses based on the "comany's" performance. I can just imagine the directors of BT sitting in the boardroom saying "You know, we've had a really good year this year so we'll pay all the staff a bonus.... Oh, and to show what REALLY good folks we are at BT we'll dish out all our profits to Tiscali, NTL and anyone else that's in the same business as us"

The reason the OF has more cash is down to fan base. 50,000-60,000 watch the OF at almost all their home games and at 25 quid a ticket that's bound to be more than teams that only draw between 6,000 & 15,000 per home game.

The OF can only buy the "cream of young talent" in Scotland if the other teams are willing to sell (assuming the player is under contract).

The only solution is for the SFA/SFL/SPL to restrict the number of players in a squad and that would cause a whole load of bother in the courts I reckon !!
49

Indie Rep Kid,

16/04/2008 12:02:19
#48 I totally understand what you're saying but using business analogies (?) does not always fit when it comes to football. The difference is that BT don't sit there saying "it's not fair - we need decent competition" and then proceed to rip them off.

The OF want competition so they are going to have to give something up to get it.

Of course it's pie in the sky but something has to give.
50

Indie Rep Kid,

16/04/2008 12:05:21
#48 Also you're a bit naive on the "OF can only buy the "cream of young talent" in Scotland if the other teams are willing to sell" line.

The Old Firm simply find out the "background" of a potential purchase and utilise the media to unsettle a player until the selling club has no option. Also, very few clubs can turn down a bid in excess of £500k and they can also, of course, offer vastly increased wages due to their wealth, created from guaranteed Champs Lge revenue, created from....you see where it's going.

51

Phil1,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 12:05:37
Jon Bon Jovi on 3 & 4
Try not to swaer and abuse people just because you don't like what they do - Did you finish school? does anyone like you or do you swear and abuse everyone you meet.
Your rants will be removed and you should apologise for the personal abusive language you use.
52

Stoobing,

London 16/04/2008 12:20:31
As a Dundee United fan, it's fair to say I have no love for Aberdeen but I think some folk really need a reality check.

Yep, Aberdeen have been poor this season and JC maybe underestimated just how important Russell Anderson was to the team (see last Saturday) but Aberdeen have made top six, made two semi finals and played a creditable UEFA cup campaign featuring two spectacular performances. If all that counts as a horrendous failure, then it's just a measure of how much Tangoman has done for Aberdeen.

Losing Nicholson for nothing is careless to say the least but I don't think he's as good as he reckons he is. Time will tell on that, see who comes in for him. As for Lovell, we'll have him! Don't understand why he hasn't been getting game time.
53

Stoobing,

London 16/04/2008 12:24:03
Can anybody suss out why some posters here are - on a story that is 100% about Aberdeen FC - discussing the Old Firm? Can these people not read or are their lives so short of variety that all they can talk about is (stifles yawn) Celtic and Rangers? Begone blinkered children, begone.
54

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 16/04/2008 12:25:34
#49 & 50

So What you're really asking is for the OF to sell their shareholders and fans short by not playing "the game" to their full potential ?
Is it the OF's fault that the other teams in the SPL (or Scotland in general) don't have the fan base, and therefor the finances to compete ?
The reason most of the other teams in the SPL are in the financial state they are in is due to the fact that they spent millions trying to compete with the OF in the post Bosman years and bought a load of dud foreigners on high salaries to try and compete.
Hibs are a prime example of what CAN be achieved in the SPL if you are prepared to put faith in the teams youth policy. They are reasonably financialy sound, playing quite attractive football and give both sides of the OF a run for their money whenever they play them despite the lack of financial resources.
They could AFFORD to sell Brown, Thomson, Whittaker, etc. as they have a production line of young talent that seem to replace the players they sell on.
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16/04/2008 12:31:13
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Gordieboy,

Musselburgh 16/04/2008 12:32:03
#47 too true. This is now also the case in England with games involving the "Big Four" which are generally absolutely stinking, simply because neither side can afford (quite literally) to lose. The recent Liverpool-Arsenal game in the CL was a glorious exception.

Re: the Dons, unless there is a dramatic improvement in the signing policy over the summer, and I can't see it, then I doubt I'll be back. I average about 20 games a season at the moment and, being based in Musselburgh, every game is an away game and consequently quite expensive. I just can't see me making the effort next season. I feel so let down by what happened on Saturday at Hampden that even the news of this long-overdue exodus has failed to cheer me. And there are more clear-outs yet to come!? Scary though, at this rate we're going to need to sign about 15 new players just to end up with a squad of the same size as what we have currently, with nae cash, nae youth policy and nae scouting network!?

Oh dear Christ. Bottom 6 for us next season, and a stack of seriously disgruntled fans.
57

Kiwiarab,

Christchurch, New Zealand 16/04/2008 12:57:32
#55

'Stand free'? What is this absolute nonsense? Kindly explain.

Rather ironic you sheepies have this as some kind of meaningless catchphrase, since many Dons incorrectly claim to have had Britain's first all-seated stadium. (Meadowbank Thistle were the first.)
58

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 16/04/2008 13:04:31
Seeing as there seem to be a fair few 'disgruntled fans' from other teams on here I thought I'd try and give them at least a good laugh seeing as we appear to be doomed. The EE has us linked to Scott Wilson, Darren Young and Ryan Esson! Apparently a fee may be involved for Wilson and no smart @rses, they won't be paying us!

No wonder everyone else is p!ssing themselves at us.
59

Indie Rep Kid,

16/04/2008 13:05:51
#54 We are clearly coming at this from different sides!

Of course I would never expect the OF to split their money - any change to the prize money would have to be initiated by UEFA and, of course, this would never be accepted by all the major clubs in Europe.

Are the OF culpaple for other teams having a lower fan base? Of course piggy-backing on organised religion helps.

As for: "Hibs are a prime example of what CAN be achieved in the SPL ". Er, what have they achieved, exactly? They might finish 3rd and, er, that's about it. They hit a glass ceiling which will NEVER be breached.

The problem facing Scottish football is hitting European football. When do you think a team outside Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool will win the EPL? That is acceptable to many, including the powers that be, but it will drive the rest of us away.
60

Indie Rep Kid,

16/04/2008 13:07:19
#55 yaaaaawn - typical sheepy, having respect for THAT mob.

Still, better than the Old Firm sympathiser you have as a manager.
61

Iain Bhern,

16/04/2008 13:14:21
#53 Well mate apart from Aberdeen you only mentioned two other clubs there. And they were.................

Checkmate!
62

Silence of the Yams,

16/04/2008 13:24:26
Kerr for Nicholson :))
63

Royalty,

Zandvoort 16/04/2008 13:25:46
#55

Its reptiles like you that give Aberdeen such a bad name.

Your chosen name speaks volumes.

Simpsons actions ended his own career (unlike his victim) & he's had to live with this ever since.

Cretins like you do Mr Simpson no favours by refering to his actions.

Do yourself a favour.
64

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

16/04/2008 13:34:28
I understand that Nicholson and also Lovell are players Frail is keen to bring in
65

ninenro,

16/04/2008 13:44:44
62
The OF threads have not been opened never mind closed and so you`ll find that this is everyones thread.
66

bring them on,

16/04/2008 13:49:46
Anyone know why all the shops in Coatbridge are sold out of brown trousers?

Was reported in the Daily Record.
67

Nice 1 Simmy,

16/04/2008 13:55:47
#64

Neil is was and will always be a winner and a Dons LEGEND. I am disgusted by the mistruths that have been circulating regarding the Durrant Simposon incident.

Simpson did not touch Durrant. Simpson took the ball cleanly from Durrant without making any physical contact. Durrant saw Simpson was going to win the ball cleanly and fairly and tried to con the referee by deliberatley throwing himself to the ground. As a result of his dive, Durrant seriously injured his knee and was required to be piggy backed off the pitch. Oink Oink.

Durrant's flagrant disregard to fair play was replictaed by Kevin Thomson when his dive againt Celtic - where he attempted to con the referee into awarding Rangers a penalty - backfired resulting in him sustaining an injury. Thankfully KT's injury was not serious enough to keep him out of Rangers' fine display of anti-football at home to Sporting.

#64 - I do hope this clears up matters and you can now get on with your life. Ian did. Oink Oink.
68

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:02:54
68
You lot of moronic Dons followers (69 included) are just getting what you deserve in terms of cr*p football. Garbage training facilities , garbage scouting , garbage chairman and garbage fans. What can you say !!!
69

Royalty,

Zandvoort 16/04/2008 14:07:25
#69

Have you been smoking our local speciality?

I dont know whats funnier, Aberdeens semi final defeat by Queens or your mind bendingly redicilous ranmblings.

Its a tough call, but I'll stick with the 4-3 defeat.

Awa and have another toke.
70

Royalty,

Zandvoort 16/04/2008 14:09:43
#70 Dandydud.

You been on the same stuff as #69.

Soapdodgers on soapbar.

You dudes are priceless!
71

Bosco Bhoy,

16/04/2008 14:12:42
To fellow football fans may i suggest you ignore the boy who rants that is ninenro 71.

Some intersting points raised earlier abouthe glass ceiling of Scottish football outwithb the big 2 Glasgow clubs. As a fan of CFC i would love to see more genuine competition for us and RFC as i feel that would make my club and team stronger and the SPL more exciting to follow.

I agree with the view that the financial gain we have over the rest of Scottish football mitigates against that type of dynamic competition but equally our disproportionate wealth in relation to Scotland as a country and the SPL means we sometimes punch above our weight in Europe as can often get guys to play for us based on our 'size'. Our size and status does confer on Scottish football and certian level of prestige that most leagus of our size wouldnt normally get.

For me its really tricky, yes if we werent as far ahead of the pitch we had to overcome more than just our city rivals for the title we might be able to make better headway in Europe but would our our stiffer SPL set up help us long term?
72

bring them on,

16/04/2008 14:12:50
If they close this thread, they might get one more spectator at the game.
73

Royalty,

Zanvoort 16/04/2008 14:19:57
#Dandydud

Deffo.

(Apart from the last bit, thats just the effects of the chilly north sea wind).
74

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:21:05
75
Yes that`s right ignore me and side with trash that is 69. You really are showing your true colours. You come on these threads and portray yourself as a voice of reason but you are just another Celtic minded muppet !!
75

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:26:29
77
Hope everything remains miserable up in furry boot country for as long as possible. Great news that Livingston have a new Irish investor as they already have good stadium with excellent facilities and youth development and will soon be replacing you Dons cretins in the SPL.
76

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 16/04/2008 14:31:49
THE SILENCE OF THE SHEEP SINCE '91.

That's 17 years!

OMG.
77

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:35:37
82
Your club is in turmoil and is on the way down. Other Scottish clubs are in far better shape and will soon be on your (wooly) coat tails. You think that you are in the comfort zone because you have a greater fan base than a lot of these clubs but football along with society is changing and you lot will soon be left behind.
78

Nice 1 Simmy,

16/04/2008 14:37:19
#83 oink oink
79

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:38:30
85
Don`t you mean bleat ! bleat !
80

Jock Wilson,

inverness 16/04/2008 14:39:53
Bosco Bhoy,

I used to find weegies indistinguishable - rickets, bad teeth etc But I must say that I pity you having ninenro as a fellow citizen.

You made some interesting points about the relationship between performance in Europe and a stiffer SPL. I think the answer is that having easy games before and after a tough European encounter clearly appears to be an advantage but on the other hand it is glaringly obvious, especially with Celtic in the early rounds, that coming up against a top class outfit is something of a culture shock. The OLD Firm are seldom on the back foot in SPL games and are not allowed to play with patience - witness the witless booing of Walter Smith this year - but in Europe they have to spend long periods on the rack.

In the early 70s when our own league had more depth, the OT, Aberdeen, Hearts etc had much more success in Europe.
81

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 16/04/2008 14:40:19
I hear zander's going to throw another 5 goals at septic on Saturday.

Must be wan o' them?
82

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:43:09
87
Bosco aint Glaswegian ya tractor driving cretin !!!
83

Royalty,

Zandvoort 16/04/2008 14:46:22
#80 Your making me feel a tad uncomfortable Dandydud.

Your not in an Aberdeenshire field in the dead of night you know, this is a fitba forum.

But if you must know, its above average.
84

67 was a joke,

The Rangers End 16/04/2008 14:48:57
MY, MY, MY

17 years eh?
85

Jock Wilson,

inverness 16/04/2008 14:51:50
87,

Bosco Bhoy not a weegie? Pull the other one, ninenro

Next you will be telling us that you hold down a proper job and that you are managing these posts without a child's dictionary at your side.
86

Royalty,

Zandvoort 16/04/2008 14:54:02
#88

I think Zanders newspaper pic of his Celtic birthday cake etc gives you an idea of his true coulours.

I sincerely hope he gets the chance to join his boyhood heroes.

Re tonights game, I think Zamaras statements will have been warmly welcomed by Walter & Ally.

The players will be even more fired up after hearing what the Geek & Massimo Donothing had to say.

The Geek appears to have taken over from Caldwell as Celtics mouthpeace.

87

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:54:50
89
Rangers are a true Scots team and fly the Saltire with pride along side the Union flag. We are still part of the Union are we not. Social outcasts are ones that glorify the Ian Durrant tackle and sing about Disasters and vandalise a memorial at Tynecastle in memory of a 10 year old boy on his fathers season seat. I have travelled the world and learned many things of which I doubt you could comprehend.
88

Bosco Bhoy,

----Donegal---- 16/04/2008 14:57:51
ninenro

Bigotted against foreigners and yer ain people, you are a prize turd.Getting it tight here once again.


87 Jock

So much common sense their its hard to know where to find fault. How do we improve quality of the SPL and for me the emphasis must be about the quality of the coaching and excellent youth development.
89

ninenro,

16/04/2008 14:58:32
95
Does Donegal give you any clue. Next you will be trying to tell us that Zander is not a Sellik man !!
90

Nice 1 Simmy,

Lying @ Pittodrie 16/04/2008 14:59:49
#87, ok I' gonna guess he's from Larkhall, home of the Subway bashing, traffic light destroying, tracksuit wearing, Burberry hat weilding PEOPLE. Anyway, regardless of where either of you cretins are from, you are both vermin.

I think 'we all agree' that Aberdeen were the last Scottish team to win a European trophy.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa
91

Royalty,

Zandvoort 16/04/2008 15:00:19
#95 Jocky Wilson

Hows the darts going these days?
92

Nice 1 Simmy,

16/04/2008 15:01:07
#99 Next you'll be telling us Chris Burke isn't a Celtic man.
93

Bosco Bhoy,

16/04/2008 15:01:31
Football fans please ignore ninenro as all he ever does is to pollute these threads with his predictable bile.

BTW

Try this one for a laugh, he said the other evening RFC/CFC are no more bigotted than any other club in Scotland.
94

ninenro,

16/04/2008 15:04:05
98
I have earlier posted on the welcome to Scottish Fitba for Irish investor at Livi. You can go on and try and delude yourself that I am a racist bigot if you like but the truth doesnae seem to matter for you Sellik minded. You are wrongly taught this attitude and lies about anyone that follows Rangers and it leads you into a paranoid inferiority complex.
95

ninenro,

16/04/2008 15:06:28
101 (room)
Dalai Lama from a sheep. Priceless !!!!
96

Bosco Bhoy,

16/04/2008 15:07:27
Go away ninero,

wether its a tim from Donegal or a fellow Scottish footballing fan the thing you find easiest to do is insult.

What a tube!