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Published Date: 11 October 2008
NEXT week's Canadian federal election has thrown up the usual issues of the economy, the environment and national unity.
Yet simmering in the background is Canada's contribution to the war in Afghanistan, where it is paying a higher price than any other Nato ally.

The casualties of this country of 32 million people rose to 98 on the day the election was called – 7 September – with the death of a fourth soldier in less than a week, giving Canada the highest ratio of deaths for any Nato nation in Afghanistan.

While the United States has lost 510 soldiers out of 14,000 troops, and the UK 120 out of 8,500, Canada has just 2,500 men and women on the ground, largely in Helmand province.

Both the ruling Conservative minority government and the opposition Liberals agreed earlier this year to extend Canada's mission until 2011, but the war is increasingly unpopular with ordinary citizens.

August was one of the deadliest months, with two solders and two Canadian aid workers killed. It has kept the issue of the country's contribution to battling the Taleban on the front burner, with the federal election vote on 14 October.

On Thursday it was revealed the cost of the Afghan mission could cost $18.1 billion by the end of 2011. The figure is $10 billion more than conservative estimates of the cost so far, but $10 billion below calculations by an Ottawa think-tank a day earlier.

Stephen Harper, the prime minister, campaigning ahead of the federal election, said: "Look, we've been clear the cost is high. We are doing important work there as part of the international effort. We're certainly not alone in spending money."

Many cars sport a yellow ribbon sticker of support for the troops. The question is whether that support matches significant trends in votes during the last Canadian federal election, and if it will be repeated.

Liberals refused to join the Iraq war, yet initially allowed the deployment to Afghanistan in 2001 while in power. Once in opposition, they opposed the mission's extension, only to back a new deadline of 2011.

In 2006, Liberals took every seat in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal.

The Conservatives, who extended Canada's presence, drew their support from suburban and rural centres, enough to form a minority government.

Polls last week suggest the Conservative administration could be on the verge of winning a majority in the parliament.

Yet support for the war is not high. A February poll found that 61 per cent of Canadians felt Mr Harper's government had not effectively explained the mission in Afghanistan.

His early reaction to the war was widely criticised – the Canadian flag atop Parliament Hill in Ottawa was no longer lowered when a solider died, and the filming of flag-draped coffins returning home was banned.

The survey found 58 per cent of people opposed extending the country's mission in Afghanistan beyond February 2009.

The deadline of 2011 has now been criticised, most notably last week by former Canadian commander of UN forces in the Balkans, retired Major General Lewis MacKenzie.

He said: "I don't like announcing deadlines to an enemy force that now says to themselves, 'Well, we're getting rid of the Canadians, so let's turn our strategic attack on some other country'."

Family man who died on a 'million to one' chance

MASTER Corporal Colin Bason was one of six Canadian soldiers killed in a single attack in July 2007, the worst toll since Canada joined the war in Afghanistan in 2002. He told his fiancée, Katrina Blain, 26, that the chances of him going to war were "a million to one". She's now bringing up their child alone.

Their daughter, Vienna, is now 18 months old, having only seen her father in person for the first four days of her life. Ms Blain shows her photos of him every day so she will grow up knowing who he was and what he stood for.

Master Cpl Bason was a history buff, with 500 books on the subject. And when he met Ms Blain for the last time, in Paris in April 2007, they travelled to the sites of Canada's other great sacrifice of soldiers, and the First and Second World War battlegrounds in northern France and Belgium.

After four years together, only two and a half of them full-time, Ms Blain knew the life of a soldier's partner, but also finally understood her partner's attitude to Afghanistan.

She said: "Canada has been trying to keep the peace for a long time. Colin viewed Afghanistan as part of the history of Canada, helping others enjoy the freedoms we have.

"We had a big talk about it, and he was of the opinion, as am I, that he was doing something for his family – looking out for us."

The full article contains 811 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 10 October 2008 10:06 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Afghanistan
 
1

Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 01:12:56
Well I have a son that is about to be sent to Afghanistan and I have been 100% against this war from day one. It's the Americans that suckered everybody to go there after the 9-11 attacks but in reality Afghanistan has nothing to do with those attacks and everybody involved keeps sending their personel back in body bags. It's high time for everyone to pull out and let the Americans deal with their own problems, problems they've brought onto themselves by interfering all over the world and by terrorizing so many countries.
2

SCULLION1,

Canada 11/10/2008 01:26:59
SCULLION1
Canada never has and never will shirk her duty. However, the price she has paid in this misadventure gives her the right to comment on its uselessness. If Canada were to say this very moment, "We're packing up", who would have the temerity to say a word against her?
3

Dougie - Edinburgh,

11/10/2008 01:55:52
While Canadian soldiers are dying fighting Muslim extremists in Afghanistan, their politicians are selling out the country behind them by importing amongst other unassimiliable immigrants, large numbers of Afghanis.
4

2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 01:59:01
Scullion-I will NEVER say a bad word about Canada. Whatever gods there may be,bless and keep Canada. This is not a joke,I'm serious.(Also, if McCain should win, my family may need a back door.)
5

SCULLlON1,

Canada 11/10/2008 02:12:51
4 2dogs

SCULLION1
You are always welcome north of the boarder, Canada has a long history of taking in your cowards.
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 02:14:07
#4 2dogs in D.C.,
Hey double dog, the above comment I made was not against Americans as a whole, but rather the stupid ones that support the likes of Bush and the numbnut team of McCain and Palin. I rather enjoy your comments and you've got a great sense of humour.
My son is a member of the Canadian military and about to be sent to Afghanistan and I don't like the odds of him returning alive.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 11/10/2008 02:51:51
#7 Hey, here I am, you're welcome sir

What a senseless war going on over there in Afghanistan and Iraq.

What a terrible price everyone is paying

What a needless loss of life

What a criminal act to send army deserters back to the US to be gaoled for not wanting to take another life

Let's hope both Canada and the US elect new responsible leaders at the forthcoming elections

God bless everyone's sons and daughters and damn the cowardly leaders responsible for death and destruction
9

Guga II,

Rockall 11/10/2008 02:54:39
The Canadian people, like all the peoples with troops in Afghanistan, need to wake up and realise that their troops are there to protect an oil pipeline for the war criminal Bush and his business buddies; and for no other reason.
10

57Nomad,

california 11/10/2008 03:02:29
Frankly, I don't expect any help from any other country. As for the Canadians, they are great, great, soldiers. They are tough guys and good shots. Those that cannot see that this war is for their own survival may well not survive. We intend to keep fighting. We know it's not a waste of time nor is it misdirected. In the eyes of the Islamofascists, it is a good way to separate the weak from the strong. It is the ones that appear weak that will first on their list. That should be a relief for those who are attacked because it will allow them to redirect their anger and fear away from the US. It must be boring people by now. Only the strong survive.
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 03:06:15
#8 Rob Bennett,
Canada just gets bullied by the US and the only reason they never went to Iraq is because the UN didn't sanction the invasion of Iraq. Every elected Canadian politician is in bed with the American Administration, Stephen Harper being no exception and he will get elected again and probably this time by the majority.


#9 Guga II,
You're 100% correct in your assessment of why the Americans are really in Afghanistan, it's all about the black gold. 9-11 was a convenient excuse.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 11/10/2008 03:30:26
Scullion, I am not so sure that Canada is a safe haven for Americans who refuse to fight in the wars.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3421&Disp=2

here is a link that displays much info on this subject. The Canadian government is attempting to set down standards against the will of the Canadians to reject those who refuse to serve in the wars.

The Canadians should pull out of this war and go home. So should the Americans and the British as well as those from the European continent.
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11/10/2008 03:47:49
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 03:54:13
#11 57Nomad,
Frankly, we don't care what you expect. This is yet another war that your Administration entered into on lies and many soldiers from many countries are dying because of those lies.
9-11 was a result of payback to your country terrorizing globally, not the other way around.
So by your measuring stick, they have every right to do what they do because they were attacked first and therefore are now defending themselves.
If your navy wasn't in Yemen, guess what cornflake, it would not have been attacked. You brought the fight to them and they responded and will again, and when they do, 9-11 will seem like a walk in the park.
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AIan Reid,

nz 11/10/2008 04:00:19
#7 Skidmark

#15 Skidmark

Communist Troll.
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11/10/2008 04:11:24
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 11/10/2008 04:48:14
#11 57Nomad,california
"Only the strong survive"

Actually 'what goes up, must come down'

The US economy is going down the drain. The international monetary fund has the US ranked at 40th position out of 134 countries and it will get a lot worse. I believe the US is heading for a severe depression within 2 years. It really could turn out to be another 'fall of the roman empire'

#12 Postmark-55,China
"Canada just gets bullied by the US"
Unfortunately far too many countries get bullied by the US. It's got to stop.
With Brazil, Russia, India and China (BRIC GROUP)growing stronger and the US economy spiralling downwards for years to come it can only be assumed that many world leaders and countries will pull right away from the US and become more independent.
18

cramond1,

Love thy neighbour 11/10/2008 05:18:44
"I have a son that is about to be sent to Afghanistan and I have been 100% against this war from day one."
Sad to hear. I hope he survives. I suppose he too realizes like many of his senior officers that the wars are criminal, pointless, unethical and not in the interests of the USA?
I agree with you. America has to stop believing the crass propaganda of "Islamofascism", the "War on Terror", "Londonistan" the “imminent collapse of Europe” etc. The warmongers will only increase the revenge and hatred of other nations by going out and slaughtering them. The horrific figures since 1991 speak for themselves.
The ranks of the Taliban and other groups will continue to swell as they see it as their right and duty to expel the invader. On this I am sure every Afghani, Iraqi, Pakistani and Iranian is agreed. This does not mean they wish to take over the world. Some people have hated the infidel since the Indian Mutiny and before, but the “suicide attacks” in Europe are a direct result of current US policy and America's stupid wars. Who can deny this? The Pakistanis are right. Arrogant American attempts at empire building are indeed the best recruits for jihadists, either literally when they bankrolled them against the USSR, or now as NATO is being forced to “dewargame”.
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 05:33:04
#19 cramond1,
Thank you for your kind words and support and it's good to see that you're not blinded by the propaganda war waged by the US.
20

Pilrig,

Livingston 11/10/2008 06:03:18
Sooner or later Bambi and Dubya will get their collars felt by plod.
21

Jim A,

11/10/2008 06:10:42
AIan Reid,
22

Jim A,

11/10/2008 06:11:39
Postmark, hmmm it didn't work for me.
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Jim A,

11/10/2008 06:15:48
Postmark, I hope your lad makes it through his tour ok mate, I'm sure he will. Despite your feelings on the wars I do hope you are proud in that the lad accepts it as his duty to his country. I'll think of your lad often mate.
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11/10/2008 06:20:58
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Postmark-55,

Chinam 11/10/2008 06:24:50
#24 Jim A,
Thanks so much for your kind words Jim, that means a lot to me coming from a 'class' guy like yourself. I am definitely proud of my boy but worry just the same. He's going to a place where none of us have any business being and I'll never understand why we still wage wars, it only produces loss.
26

Jim A,

11/10/2008 06:47:53
Postmark, you wrote "I'll never understand why we still wage wars, it only produces loss."

Believe me mate I understand what your saying.
27

Jim A,

11/10/2008 06:48:57
Postmark, ok got it now with the troll thing, thanks.
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 06:52:37
#28 Jim A,
Any time Jim.
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danielrober,

11/10/2008 09:36:10
The principles of dignity, honor, bravery and the determined democrat has defined the Canadian service person for over a century.

Its a tradition that is still continued and excelled in modern Canada, by modern Canadians.
30

Deuchars,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 11:41:30
19 cramond1

"I have a son that is about to be sent to Afghanistan"

Luckily it looks like the apple fell far from the tree then, tell your son good luck and we are glad he does not take after you.
31

2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 13:01:34
#5-Fake Scullion-Coward? I spent 10 years of my life in the military. My son is about to go into the Coast Guard.Get back under your bridge. Postmark-Best of luck to your son. Tell him to look up Murphy's Laws of combat,and learn them well.
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 13:29:29
#32 2dogs in D.C.,
Hey double dog, thank you for your kind words, and if your son is anything like you he will do fine in the Coast Guard.
I will also pass your words of advice down to my son and hopefully that will help him.

By the way, Alan Reid at post #16 is also a fraud, I exposed him at post number #17 but of course he had that post removed.
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11/10/2008 13:38:28
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Pilrig,

Livingston 11/10/2008 13:45:54
34 - note the royal 'we' in post 31.
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11/10/2008 14:09:00
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 14:09:26
Postit-Thank's back at you-Tell me, how does one expose the fakers?
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11/10/2008 14:29:34
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D-Day,

Toronto,Ont Canada 11/10/2008 14:57:25
As a proud Canadian, I'm proud of our Canadian troops serving in Afghanistan.We are there to make a difference and to help the Afghan people.These evil groups like the Taliban and al-Qaeda who murder, kidnap and torture innocent men women and children need to be defeated period.Seems a lot of people have forgotten 9-11 and the murder of almost three thousand people in New York City.Terrorism needs and must be defeated.I for one am tired of hearing the bleeding hearts who always blame this whole thing on George Bush.What about Bin Ladin, no one seems to be pointing the finger at him and his terrorist organization for all the hell and death he has caused.Our troops need to stay the course.Having spoken to a number of our soldiers whom have served in Afghanistan, I understand why we are there.Their stories, the bravery and the honor of the Canadian soldier has made me proud to be Canadian.
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 15:21:45
#39 D-Day,
No disrespect for you, but you need to look at the other side of the coin and talk to the parents of those who laid down their lives for a war that should never be. This war has absolutely nothing to do with 9-11 but 9-11 was used as a convenient excuse to get closer to the oil supply as in this case oil pipelines. You also need to remember immediately following the 9-11 attacks Bush closed all US airports and Canada became the landing point of all US bound aircraft and we were facing grave danger because we did not know at the time if we too would be attacked. And then Bush had the gall to totally overlook Canada's role and instead thanked Britain in its role for supporting the US. What was that all about? Bush is the global enemy, period. He could care less about anyone else but himself and his immediate family and he has proven that by running his own country into the ground and by terrorizing globally. If you indeed support Bush then I can honestly say that you're anything but a proud Canadian, but rather an American wannabe, and Canada has enough of those already. Look no further than Stephen Harper.
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Finnqueen,

Lempäälä 11/10/2008 15:23:12
#34 Postmark

Then Deuchars is even more Spot On!
41

Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 15:34:25
#41 Finnqueen,
What's the matter? Can't speak for yourself, but rather have someone like Deuchars do the talking for ya? If you got something to say to me, say it, that's what this forum is all about, after you've commented on the article that is, which you have so far failed to do. Go ahead and sling mud and names at me, I can handle it.
42

2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 15:42:42
Postit-Thanks for the info re:fakers. So, using this method,who is the phony Scullion?
43

2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 15:47:16
OOPs-Never mind.
44

Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 15:53:30
#43 2dogs in D.C.,
Anytime double dog and never mind the oops, happens to the best of us every once in a while eh?
45

2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 16:12:37
here in the trenches, the fist of the beast,with fear of the night mist and poison deceased, with a gas mask to keep me from breathing my death, it's American soil I long for at best. The duty I serve can't begin to compare, to my ancestors battles,and wars through the years.Though the loneliness strikes like an enemy shell,I long for that corner I once knew so well.Sail away to a place that's unknown. Taken away from my friends and my home, to a place they call sacred, a place I call hell, Ilong for that corner I once knew so well.Nose to the ground is all that I've ever gotten on with nothing to show but a graying face in this dieing place that's a lock in solitude" Dropkick Murphys-done with acoustic guitar and penny whistle.
46

Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 16:23:44
#46 2dogs in D.C.,
Hey double dog, what's the name of the tune?
Dropkick Murphys have quite a few and I don't recognize the lyrics you gave us.
Thanks.
47

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/10/2008 16:33:57
46 2 dogs in D.C.


It is yet another glorious day in Ottawa - expected high of 18Celsius with low humidity and the trees are ablaze in red and orange and yellow and purple etc. ad infinitum.

You are a gentleman and a scholar and I always enjoy rading your posts.

I DO NOT enjoys the babblings of Mashmaro and his partner in crime Postmark - 55.

What a couple of gormless, brainless numbnuts.

Have a glorious Saturday in D.C. with your family and your dogs.

Chester extends a polite and gentle paw to you and yours.
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Postmark-55,

China, 11/10/2008 16:41:57
#48 TimW1234,
That's OK Timmy, I still love you.
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 17:19:23
Postmark-"Faraway Coast"
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 17:27:15
Tim-Hi.Looks to be a great day here.My wifes birthday as well. I just had her dog,The Tukker of the lot groomed,and she is quite pleased.As to me being a gentleman,well, thanks. I'm really not used to anything connected to myself and gentleman in the same sentence.I'll take it anyway,with thanks.Hope Chester is enjoying the weather your way,as well. Just as a small note, Tim, Postmarks son is in the Canadian Army, and about to be posted to Afgan. Give his son that. See you soon, and all my best, Dogs.
51

2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 18:17:47
Postmark, if faraway coast works for you, try also "Last letter home"
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Whitecaps,

Vancouver, Cda 11/10/2008 19:38:09
48 TimW1234

Hi Tim,

I don't know what 2dogs sees in the communist troll PM either.
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2dogs in D.C.,

11/10/2008 19:50:13
Whitecaps(sounds like my hair),please don't presume to speak for Tim or Chester.
54

Taz,

The Land of the Free. 11/10/2008 20:19:50
There is nothing new about Canadians dying for the liberty of others. They have always answered the call out of all proportion to their population and assets. God Bless Em.
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Postmark-55,

China, 12/10/2008 00:18:50
#50 2dogs in D.C.,
Hey double dog, thanks for the name(s), it was late and I fell asleep but I'll try it this mornong.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/10/2008 11:02:56
49 Postmark 55 - China

Well, that was unexpected.

Hugs and kisses to you, too.
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 12/10/2008 16:23:00
Wally for once I do agree with you. We need to leave the Afghans to the Pakistanis
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 12/10/2008 17:35:08
Reading Public in 59:

here is a link demonstrating why it is that we should not be in afghanistan or iraq or somalia or iran or anywhere but here in America quite frankly.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/102352/%27we_were_told_we_were_fighting_terrorists%3B_the_real_terrorist_was_me%27/

this link shows exerpts from a book that has the stories in it of many soldiers who participated in the wars, but then realized that they were wrong.
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57Nomad,

california 13/10/2008 22:45:03
#1 pm

pm said:

"It's the Americans that suckered everybody to go there after the 9-11 attacks but in reality Afghanistan has nothing to do with those attacks."

Well, that certainly comes as news to most. During the '90's, OBL set up a number of training camps in Afghanistan. It is there where he planned the bombing of the Towers. After the attacks the US requested the Taliban government to arrest and deliver OBL to be tried in an American court. This they did not do. Nor did they make any attempt to close down the terrorist training camps. Consequently they played a significant and indispensable role in the attack on the Towers.

Had we not kicked the Taliban out, all those training camps would be in operation and OBL would still be running around loose instead of holing up in a mud shack in Pakistan and eating gravel sandwiches for lunch.

 

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