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Published Date: 03 July 2009
COMMITTING men, money and firepower, the United States opened a new chapter in the Afghan conflict yesterday, sending more than 4,000 of its best combat troops tearing into a stalemated patch of hell, the name of which the British know all too well: Helmand.
Nearly eight years since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, and in the week when US combat troops finally pulled back from Iraq's urban centres ahead of their total withdrawal by 2011, Barack Obama's administration has begun to fight in earnest the war the president has always believed was the "right" one – but which critics say will be his Vietnam.

"You're going to change the world this summer, and it starts this morning," Lieutenant-Colonel Christian Cabaniss, commander of the 2nd battalion, 8th Marines, told his troops, before they clambered into helicopters to begin Operation Khanjar, or "Strike of the Sword", their assault on Afghanistan's most dangerous area.

"Where we go, we will stay and where we stay, we will hold, build and work toward transition of all security responsibilities to Afghan forces," said US marine corps general Larry Nicholson.

The operation came as the US announced one of its soldiers was missing, believed captured by insurgents in eastern Afghanistan. He was not involved in the Helmand operation.

The offensive in the south was launched shortly after 1am local time, as thousands of marines poured from helicopters and armoured vehicles into Taleban-controlled villages along 20 miles of the Helmand River in Helmand province, the world's largest opium poppy-producing area, which has claimed the lives of scores of British soldiers.

The US goal is to clear insurgents from the region before the Afghan presidential election on 20 August. The offensive involves nearly 4,000 marines plus 650 Afghan forces. Last week, British forces, led by the Black Watch, 3rd Battalion, the Royal Regiment of Scotland, undertook similar, but smaller, missions to clear out insurgents in preparation for the US operation.

Early yesterday, transport helicopters carried hundreds of marines into the village of Nawa, 20 miles south of the provincial capital, Lashkar Gah, a region where no Nato troops have operated in large numbers.

The troops took many insurgents by surprise, dropping behind Taleban lines, according to Captain Drew Schoenmaker. "We are forging new ground here. We are going to a place nobody has been before," he said.

Several hundred marines took positions in a freshly ploughed field at 3am. The soft, deep dirt proved challenging for troops weighed down with days' worth of water, food and gear.

At dawn, they walked along tree lines, and at 6:15am took their first incoming fire, from an AK-47. The next three hours brought repeated bursts of gunfire and volleys of rocket-propelled grenades, sending deep booms across the countryside – but there were no pitched battles, and the US marines suffered no serious casualties. "The enemy has chosen to withdraw, rather than engage for the most part," a US spokesman said.

Pakistan's army said it had moved troops from elsewhere on its side of the Afghan border to the stretch opposite Helmand to try to stop any militants from fleeing the offensive.

The US is sending 21,000 extra troops to Afghanistan in time for the elections and expects the total number of US forces there to reach 68,000 by the year's end. That is double the number of US troops in Afghanistan in 2008.

Last night, the people of Sorkhdoz in Helmand were out on the streets to get a good look at their new neighbours, a company of about 200 US marines.

Capt Junwei Sun, the marines' commander, walked the streets at sunset, introducing himself and his Afghan government ally, Lt-Col Gul Agha Almiri, from the border police. Villagers listened politely while Lt-Col Almiri told them he was there to help bring peace.

Capt Sun said he was not surprised the Taleban did not try to stop the advance into the valley, but doubted the insurgents, who held it firmly until yesterday morning, had simply vanished.

"They do not want to test us," he said. "But I expect, once we settle down, they will try something."

Analysis: Troops surge may see Nato finally achieve its objective

THIS is proof that the surge has started. The blitz into southern Helmand is Nato is flexing its newly arrived US muscles.

The American marines have the same mission Nato troops have had for years: the doctrine of "clear, hold, build" is nothing new. But until now, it has been impossible. Helmand is Afghanistan's most violent province and British troops have been stretched thin, from Garmsir in the south, to Musa Qala and Kajaki in the north.

Of the 8,300 British troops in Afghanistan, only half are based in Helmand, and even fewer are in the combat outposts, doing battle with the Taleban.

In the three years since they first arrived, they have launched countless "clear" operations to flush the Taleban out of so-called "strongholds". But, until very recently, they've always had to withdraw, to fight elsewhere.

The Taleban, who invariably melt away when there's an overwhelming assault, re-infiltrate once foreign troops have gone, and locals are left to rebuild their homes under the watchful gaze of the insurgents, who bill their return as a victory.

The "hold" was always short-lived. The "build," which is supposed to involve substantive reconstruction, has been risible. In Garmsir, Britain had a handful of soldiers spread across two small outposts. They struggled to control much beyond their bases.

The Taleban would plant improvised explosive devices in the tracks around their camps. Occasionally, they'd fire rockets at the British camps. The British would fire back.

"The British troops they come, they bomb an area, and capture it, then go and the Taleban come back," said Mohammed Sabir, a student who fled Garmsir to live in Lashkar Gah because schools in his village were destroyed. "The fighting begins again and in between the civilians die."

The Americans have promised to change that. More than 8,000 US marines have deployed in Helmand, and more are on their way. They will give Nato the ability for the first time since 2001 to try to control Helmand's border with Pakistan.

• Jerome Starkey has reported for The Scotsman from Afghanistan since October 2007.

Jerome Starkey in Kabul


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  • Last Updated: 03 July 2009 12:01 AM
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Transformers rule,

China, 03/07/2009 01:38:58
Hopefully the Taleban will wait them out, and then with the element of surprise slaughter each and every one of the foreign troops in their country.
The Taleban are a disgusting bunch themselves but Afghanistan is their country and it's up to the Afghanis to do something if they grow tired of the Taleban, it's nobody elses business.
Remember who the Taleban are and who propped them up and armed them to fight off the Soviets, and now it's all coming home to roost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taleban

The US is going in there with fortified troops ahead of the upcoming elections to force in a government of their choice, the US is all about forcing regime changes, well, like I said earlier, I hope that each and everyone of their troops get slaughtered and sent home in body bags.


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2dogs in D.C.,

03/07/2009 02:05:28
So ya found a handle that made it through 2 days,there #2-good job.Can't agree with you about the body bag thing though,too many Marines are and were my friends.Seems a bit on the far side of hoping for a peace in this world with statements such as yours,though.Really,if you support the Taleban,and hate any and all things western so much,the Taleban has no requirements on the nationality of their recruits.Come on,Man this hate will do you in early.We don't want that.
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Transformers rule,

China, 03/07/2009 02:15:42
Hey double dog, please read my post again where I said that the Taleban are a disgusting bunch, but your friends and troops have no business going there and sorting things out for that makes them equally if not more disgusting.
How would you feel if superior armed forces were to invade your country because they thought to make it their business who ran your country and were there to make a regime change?
All my life I lived under the oppression of Democracy, which gives you anything but freedom and just lies to get your vote and kills all opposition to it in countries who don't accept Democracy.
Nah dogs, I ain't got an ounce of respect for that, just like I don't have an ounce of respect for the Taleban, your lot and their lot are oppressors.
And you know this is nothing personal against you, just your criminal administrations and those who support them.

Scotsman55
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2dogs in D.C.,

03/07/2009 03:04:41
Well,old friendly enemy,these things are all above our pay grades.I just know that the current financial situation has put a lot of kids in uniform. Where they get sent is above their pay grades too.
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Diego Plasma Residue,

USA 03/07/2009 03:19:10
The Afghans gave the Soviets their Vietnam , this is where the British Empire started it's decline. I don't think Alexander the Great really conquered them , he had to marry off almost a third of his infantry to the local women , that's why so many Afghans from the remote high grounds have green eyes and light brown hair , they have Macedonian and Thracian blood flowing in their veins. Mr. T-Rule , the wife has totalitarian control over all my finances , I might have to go forage for bottles & cans to recycle , if I want those two yaks. I shall call one yak Nietzsche and the other one Sartre and by the light of the silvery moon we shall have long convaluted loopy rhetorical debates on which form of continential nihilistical ontology and dialectical phenomenology is the most objective and logical solutions to the futility of dismal snivelling exsistence? I lean towards Nietzsche myself , but then again there is the fact that nobody gets off this planet alive: D.
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Diego Plasma Residue,

USA 03/07/2009 04:51:08
Hark! The need for subjects and followers is null and void. The yaks follow the food and we are just humble guides for the yaks , but the yaks might be teaching us humans both how to be patient and more just. The concept of hacking , into limbs or those hidden corners of cyber space , are we not all just collective illusions of a greater reality? This lowly wage drone is a renegade monk from the pre-celtic pictish blue men whom were driven from old caledonia across the Atlantic to pointless exhaustion attempting to fit into a new world hyper-capitalist trade and commercial enterprise called America. The dream was to get ahead , but when one has everything one trully needs in mind but not in material reality , then whom is getting ahead of what? You can't take it with you so why spend an entire terribly miserable lifetime trying to keep up with the Jones's , and if them thar Jones people are just a bunch of obnoxious jerks , then what is the point. The pursuit of happiness , it is not relevant if you delight in wallowing in your our misery , then pass the single malt scotch , my brain hurts! The next sermon I shall call: "The Company Must Love The Misery!" See you next time:D.
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Tom in DC,

Daly City, CA 03/07/2009 05:04:08
#6
They harbored the monsters who caused 9/11. They get what they get.
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Blogman,

Atlantis 03/07/2009 05:17:55
#11 Tom
Yeah let's stoke the fire and encourage them to return.
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blackops,

03/07/2009 05:35:40
#2: Perhaps you would prefer all were like the Chinese dictatorship which continues to try and censor the people. It seems that you had no business taking over Tibet but you did, and now trying to lay claim to numerous small islands off the shores of your country.
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Victor Glasno,

03/07/2009 06:06:24
My problem is with the amount of money that is being spent on these little expensive excursions when America is in such debt.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/07/2009 07:10:34
It is nice to see that the American's are finally getting serious about consigning the Taliban to the dustbin of History.

This conflict was always unwinable as long as Pakistan allowed them to have a safe haven in the tribal regions. But after some arm twisting the Pakistani Government has been made to realize that the Taliban are also a threat to their own existance, and are now doing what is necessary to eliminate that threat.

Winning a Counter Insurgency campaign is never easy, but there are successful examples to follow. The Boar War and Malaya being 2 British examples. Both conflicts where won by driving the Guerillas away from friendly settled areas to deny them supplies and support and then slowly tightening the noose by driving them into ever smaller areas.

First you drive them away from the Poppy Fields to deny them money for arms, then you drive them away from towns and villages to deny them food and shelter and then you drive them away from water sources to deny them life itself.
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Tim C,

Southern England 03/07/2009 07:12:17
This is all part of the Chinese plan to exhaust the Westerners and weaken them for 500 years. Only a moron would waste resources fighting an unwinnable 'war'. But in 'democracy' the idiots are allowed to vote... for morons in suits.
Afghan people respect warriors, and I expect they get the pick of the young ladies.
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James1480,

03/07/2009 07:20:33
#19

"First you...,
Then you...."

I like that.
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Alan, New Zealand,

Leeds 03/07/2009 07:28:48
Brave Attempt but will be futile in the end, the Afghans will be fighting over the poppy fields a hundred years from now. Best to let them get on with it and to deter drug dealers by prosecuting them here and then sentencing them to death. THAT would deter the pushers. Simple but effective, unlike our Politicians who are simple but uneffective.
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Damarcus,

03/07/2009 07:47:45
#20 Tim C
Very funny but very true. The Chinese are probably sitting back laughing at all this wasted money that can only lead to more and more debt. They must be rubbing their hands together with glee.
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Thistledhu,

03/07/2009 10:42:55
Some seem to choose to ignore the fact that the Taliban in the main is not an indigenous afghan group they were formed in and around pakistans borders with afghanistan.

the Taliban are the invadors
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Ham Mei Si,

Hong Kong 03/07/2009 11:23:34
The shocking tragety is...that the British know already .....from terrible past experience....that fighting a war in Aghanistan is futile....
WTF are they doing back there?
Answer:---They are proving once more that MAN is the most stupid animal in the world!
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Thistledhu,

03/07/2009 11:28:49
26 in case you havent noticed there is hardley a nation in the free world who does not have forces in Afghanistan .

I afghanistan fell back into the hands of the taliban pakistan would quickly follow.
a nuclear capable Taliban/Al Queda the world simply can not allow that to happen
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Ham Mei Si,

Hong Kong 03/07/2009 11:46:37
I am right then....MAN is the most stupid animal in the world!
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Brideun,

Culloden 03/07/2009 11:55:43
#28 Not all of mankind are stupid - just the majority judging by the contributors to this site particularly when the massed SNP supporters are stirred.
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john calvin,

03/07/2009 12:59:56
#2, you really are a sad bitter hateful perosn, and what garbage you speak. Thank God the Americans and Brits are standing up to these sub human thugs, and what's this garbage about going to "their" country. The Taliban are a bunch of idealistic lowlifes brought together from all corners of the Middle East. I suspect the average Afghani does'nt want them there, nor to live under their extreme form of sharia law. 9/11, Madrid and London you readily forget took the lives of thousands of innocent people. Don't forget also what side you would really be on if it came down to it. If you want to live your life in complete oppression you can go work in one of the countless sweat shops in China, or go live in a cave in Afghanistan. It really troubkes me that people like you have the gall to wish our troops to be slaughtered when they are essentially protecting our way of life. You are scum.
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 03/07/2009 13:19:30
John Calvin in #31 is incorrect.

He says we're justified in attacking Afghanistan because of some alleged terror events including sept 11, madrid & london bombings. But there has been no evidence brought forth linking Taleban to those incidents. The US government has issued statements more than once saying that there is no evidence of Taleban involvement in sept 11 events. The FBI issued a statement saying that there is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden was involved in sept 11'th events.

also, I take issue with Calvin when he said that troops in afghanistan are protecting our way of life. This is completely false.

There is no legitimate justification for US or UK or EU troops to be in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
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john calvin,

03/07/2009 13:27:32
Wally, the only thing which rings true about your post is your name. So what are the US troops doing in Afghanistan if not tracking those responsible for the 9/11, London and Madrid atrocities. As for protecting our way of life, like it or not they are. Think about it if you can.
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Boab,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 13:29:41
Let's see how long "clear, hold, build" stands up against "bomb, sabotage, bomb again".

#31 John Calvin: Agree with Wally. The West are in Afghanistan to protect oil supplies from Central Asia, not root out terrorism.

#19 KampungHighlander: It's worth remembering that the Taliban stamped out the opium trade but it returned under Western occupation.

I was interested in your example of the Boer war; the trouble is, unlike the Boers, every militant for thousands of miles will head to Afghanistan to blow up and shoot at the US troops. I will be happy to be proved wrong, but I think the USA will be thrown out of Afghanistan sooner or later.
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Thistledhu,

03/07/2009 14:17:45
A lot of rubbish being spouted here
the taliban did not and have not repressed the opium trade in fact the oppisate that is where a large part of there funding is come from now that there benafactors the Al Quedaare on the back foot.

The Taliban are mainly from Pakistan not Afghanistan so they are the invadors remeber the ISAF forces are there at the invitation of the afghan goverment unlike the chinese in Tibet who invited themselves.
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oder,

Scotland 03/07/2009 14:28:12
should read "your"
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Findlay Thompson,

03/07/2009 15:21:06
I think we have missed the point somewhere along the line. For what reason are these US Marines in the country of Afghanistan? Please inform me of a valid reason for their presence there!
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 03/07/2009 15:41:57
Remember that in 1939 many of the German public believed that Poland was on the verge of attacking Germany and that therefore the german invasion of poland was justified. Afterwards many germans were convinced that if germany didn't first attack Russia, France & other countries that they would attack germany.

It is similar with John Calvin.

On sept 11, 2001 a high official named Donald Rumsfeld came on tv and asserted that Osama Bin Laden was behind the crime. This same high official had previously been enthralled with Saddam Hussein in the 1980's and had been a proponent of giving him massive aid.

The FBI has issued a statement saying that there is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden was involved in those crimes. and separately the US government has repeatedly said there is no evidence the Taleban were involved in it either.

I think it takes a psychotic person to think that by killing Iraqis or Afghans or Pakistanis that we somehow enhance or protect our societies. They have not attacked us. We attacked them.

The financial drain of these wars will in fact destroy our way of life. So will the enemies that we create if we keep going.

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Taz,

The Land of the Free 03/07/2009 18:28:44
As usual the Brits can't hack it. "Where's the Americans" "Where's the Americans" Have no fear, the Yanks are coming. At least the Brits never ran this time as they did in Basra.
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Dunnie,

Canada 04/07/2009 03:55:39
49 - Taz- Oh yes, the Yanks who always ignore facts and either stick their heads in the sand (WWII) or come in when all the hard fighting is done(WWI).

However, Hollywood has dealt that problem nicely as it does with all the ugly problems that plague America.

Perhaps Michael Jackson should hae been sent there. Now there is an American icon!!
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 04/07/2009 15:16:56
51 Thistledhu,03/07/2009 21:02:52
49 Taz really so explain why the US forces are carrying out the same plan in the rest of iraq as was carried out by HM forces in Basra
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The British army RAN from Basra. We as usual had to go in and clean up what ya'al can't hack.
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 04/07/2009 15:18:57
52 Dunnie,Canada 04/07/2009 03:55:39
49 - Taz- Oh yes, the Yanks who always ignore facts and either stick their heads in the sand (WWII) or come in when all the hard fighting is done(WWI).

However, Hollywood has dealt that problem nicely as it does with all the ugly problems that plague America.

Perhaps Michael Jackson should hae been sent there. Now there is an American icon!!
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Ah!! ...Brit assistance from the Colonies.
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Jim "Red" Corbett,

370 Keith Blvd. Kerrville Texas 78029 05/07/2009 04:52:54
I have been going to the UK for many years. My inlaws are 85 and 83. They remember the war and they talk of US solders staying in their parents house when they were kids. Their parents welcomed it because they got extra rations for doing so. When I see UK troops on my soil protecting me. I promise I will embrace their presents and thank them for returning the favor. If any of you limey's want to belittle my grandfathers trips to Murmansks Russia on supply runs you can kiss my TEXAS'S ASS and live safe in the fact that I have sex with 1 of your compatriots every night. My address is posted. Feel free to come and visit and discuss in person.
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Jim "Red" Corbett,

05/07/2009 05:00:24
Bye the way who the f--- is Canada. Canada = The guy who lives in a loft flat above a really good party that he is never invited to.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 05/07/2009 08:47:41
#55 Jim "Red" Corbett - If arrogance was a virtue.......
"live safe in the fact that I have sex with 1 of your compatriots every night" - would that perhaps be Inflatable Ingrid?
"My address is posted. Feel free to come and visit and discuss in person" - That might be a tad expensive. What is the dialling code for Kerrville? Now you might want to consider asking to have your own post removed once you realise that you have just posted your home address where every nutter on the internet can view it. Dumb, very dumb.......
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 05/07/2009 19:03:07
Hiya Red, greetings from the coastal bend.
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Jim "Red" Corbett,

05/07/2009 19:56:02
Worry about yourself. I will worry about me. So get on net and view it. If women from the UK are inflatable and named ingrid yes I have sex with a Uk girl everynight.. Do you have anymore bull s questions or statements. In not F off. Hello to Taz in the coastal. I grew up there. Corpus. Graduated from Ray. Oh poo I just told Arminius what school I graduated from. She may be able to use that info and find out the schools entire name.
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Jim "Red" Corbett,

05/07/2009 19:56:42
Worry about yourself. I will worry about me. So get on net and view it. If women from the UK are inflatable and named ingrid yes I have sex with a Uk girl everynight.. Do you have anymore bull s questions or statements. In not F off. Hello to Taz in the coastal. I grew up there. Corpus. Graduated from Ray. Oh S H I T I just told Arminius what school I graduated from. She may be able to use that info and find out the schools entire name.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 06/07/2009 09:57:09
#59 Jim "Red Neck" Corbett - I don't do requests, especially from dobbers who don't have the good sense to heed sound advice (not everyone on this site is nice like me).
By the time US solders were staying in your inlaws house, the war had already been on for 3 years so they were no more protecting the UK than was your granpa Roger the cabinboy on his trips to Murmansk protected by the Royal Navy.
So I take it the offer to visit you and J. in Gooberville is withdrawn then?
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Jim "Red" Corbett,

20/07/2009 00:07:53
If you knew where the term red neck came from. You would know why that does not offend me. I can deal with the biggest jerk or in your case the biggest wuss on the net. Thats awlfull funny my grandfather was on a military destoryer guarding supply ships. My offer will never be revoked niether will be the serious ness of the beating you need to recieve for being a pathetic internet blow hard.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 14:44:06
#62 Jim "Red" Corbett - Bet you are a big Clint Eastwood fan. Full of p*ss and wind and not much else......
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Jim "Red" Corbett,

02/09/2009 03:17:33
Clint Eastwood,P*** and any other nouns you can dream up have nothing to do with this discussion.You can always find out if I stand behind my words. I will be in the UK in about 1 month and will be staying there for about a month. Or if you can scrape together the funds you can always come and visit. My friends love meeting new women. Since you can not really come up with anything better than the NaNa Boo
to defend yourself. I am considering your blow hard words just that. Blow hard words. I am ending your only entertainment. Feel free to reply but you and your mum will probably be the only ones reading it. More likely she will be reading it to you. Have a nice life fool.

 

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