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MacAskill sorry about 'cooking lager' jibe



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Published Date: 12 May 2008
HE TALKS tough about Scotland's booze shame, but now Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, has been forced to grovel to the brewers of the country's best-known lager.
The MSP apologised after referring to Tennent's as "cooking lager" during an interview. Senior figures from the company behind the drink, InBev UK, accused Mr MacAskill of being "at best flippant, and at worst derogatory" about a firm they say is committed to helping tackle the country's problems with alcohol.

Mr MacAskill vowed to rid the country of its record with alcohol abuse and the crime that stems from it. But in e-mails from him to the head of external relations of InBev – released under freedom of information laws – he admitted Tennent's was his "drink of choice". And Mr MacAskill even offered to make a public show of downing the lager.

The brief row erupted after he spoke in an interview in March about the nation's drink shame. In it, he said: "I was in the pub the other Friday night with my son. I had three pints of Tennent's cooking lager and a glass of wine when I got home."

But the remarks angered the brewing firm and Rob Bruce, then the company's head of external affairs, wrote directly to the justice secretary.

Mr Bruce said: "Do you think it's appropriate for a Scottish Government minister to talk in such a derogatory way about Scotland's only indigenous lager brand of note? A lager brand that supports hundreds of jobs?

"One that has arguably been instrumental in creating a modern cultural landscape our country can be proud of? A brand which has been the longest-running commercial supporter of football in this country?

"Do you think your comment was appropriate? Helpful? Did it add anything to your message about responsible drinking?

"It is a shame that it's about you being at best flippant, and at worst derogatory, about a brand which is committed to helping you and your government tackle our nation's drinking problem."

Mr MacAskill responded to the e-mail within just six minutes – and asked to be reminded of what he had said. He then wrote: "It (Tennent's] is my drink of choice and if I said something inadvertently then I unreservedly apologise. I don't need persuaded of what you guys do."

Mr Bruce said, "call us anything else except Tennent's lager being cooking lager", and within 20 minutes relations had been smoothed over.

The justice secretary stated: "Very sorry. It was meant as a whimsical aside and reference to higher ABV (alcohol by volume] continental drinks that I now don't touch. I accept that it was out of order – so sorry once again. It was actually meant to be supportive though misplaced.

"Happy to sup a pint for you sooner or later … happy to be seen with your product as that's what I consume in Leslies Bar."

Mr Bruce accepted the apology and suggested a meeting over a "pie and pint". Mr MacAskill offered a coffee at Holyrood. Mr Bruce has since left InBev and was unavailable for comment last night.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "While the justice secretary is well aware of the need to tackle Scotland's cultural problem with alcohol, he also recognises that alcohol is part of our culture.

"The industry has a key role to play in helping to combat our binge-boozing culture and we welcome the opportunity to work with them to tackle the complex issues surrounding alcohol."

BATTLING THE BOOZE BINGE

KENNY MacAskill, the justice secretary, has made alcohol abuse and Scotland's binge-drinking culture a focus of his first year in the post.

Just last week he warned that the time for excuses for a "bevvy culture" had passed.

He said: "We cannot go on as we are – the damage in our communities, as well as to our health and economy, is too great.

"We need each and every Scot to stop, think about and, if necessary, reduce their own alcohol consumption."

The justice secretary has said the Scottish Government will not shy away from tough action on the issue, despite opposition from some parts of the alcohol industry. There have already been moves in the Scottish Parliament to end cheap pub deals.

The government is drawing up an alcohol strategy, but seems unlikely to raise the legal drinking age from 18 to 21. A higher age limit on the purchase of drink, as well as setting minimum prices to bring an end to "cheaper than water" discount deals from shops and supermarkets have been proposed by campaigners.






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1

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:06:17
This is typical of the SNP, they hate Scotland, they are pessimistic weaklings who are the prime example of the Scottish cringe.

You don't hear the American Government slagging off budweiser do you? I think Scotland deserves optimism and the right to be proud of our country and produce, MacAskill is typical of the SNP cringe.
2

I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:12:04
I believe that Kenny MacAskill farted last Thursday.

I await with interest the Scotsman's front-page scoop on this.

Hopefully there will be no photo illustrating the story .
3

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:13:31
MacAskill only has a 2:2 from Edin Uni.

How can Scotland have confidence in a Justice minister with a lower second class education? We deserve better.

What's MacAskill preaching to me for anyway? He's the one that got arrested for brawling when drunk is he not?

Yes sir, failed academically, like a drink and a fight, but bored with Labour? Join the SNP. Preserving Scotland's right to poor government.
4

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12/05/2008 00:17:06
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senza nome,

12/05/2008 00:17:11
He's right.Compared to many continental lagers, it's awful.
6

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:20:45
4 Fakey

You forgot to remove you location you fool.

You are typical of the free-speech hating nationalist.

A SNP minister who was arrested for being drunk and disorderyl preaching to the electorate about drinking too much!
7

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 00:24:49

Tennents are "committed to helping tackle the country's problems with alcohol"

Haud me back!

8

Teofilio Cubillas,

12/05/2008 00:25:03
Mr Bruce said: "Do you think it's appropriate for a Scottish Government minister to talk in such a derogatory way about Scotland's only indigenous lager brand of note? A lager brand that supports hundreds of jobs? "One that has arguably been instrumental in creating a modern cultural landscape our country can be proud of?

Yes, seeing these jakies lying in their own p1sh on the benches in Hunter Square and Register Front after a few cans of Tennants Super Lager makes me proud of Tennant's role in creating our modern cultural landscape. A message to Mr Bruce -stop being so precious and hypocritical - you sell bevvy, nothing more than that. To Kenny MacAskill - start drinking Deuchars IPA or a proper beer - Big T's for schemies and wee laddies.
9

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 00:25:16
3 Alfred E. Neuman, 12/05/2008 00:13:31

Now I've heard it all
10

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12/05/2008 00:25:45
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:27:15
Can you picture Tennants reconciling themselves with MacAskill? Maybe they can do an advert, it might go a little something like this...

Camera opens on a football tournament in England.

In rolls a Scottish MSP KMcA, he is drunk out of his tiny and thick skull and mouthing off about how much he hates the English.

In steps a Bobby on the neat and arrests him.

The advert finished with a drunken MSP sitting in a London jail cell, head in hands eyes blood-shot.

"Drink responsibly" This message is supported by Tennents and Kenny MacAskill SNP, brewing hypocrasy since 1864.

12

Steve,

Bo'ness 12/05/2008 00:28:15
Is this what passes as "politics" when Labour are up to their necks in it? A welcome distraction I suppose. No wonder Scotsman sales are plummetting.
13

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 00:28:25
1 Alfred E. Neuman, 12/05/2008 00:06:17

Alfred, Proud of Scotland's reputation for one of the highest instances of alcoholism in the World..... dressing your BNP filth up in a kilt doesn't change it to anyone that reads your garbage

Your unionist hatred of this nation knows no bounds.



14

Steve,

Bo'ness 12/05/2008 00:29:51
Alfred, 6 posts already.. you're like a praying mantis ready to pounce on the slightest negative SNP headline.
What a saddo!
15

Vivas,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 00:29:54
Don't be sorry Kenny. Scottish lager is total and utter p1sh as any fool doth know.

I'll bet the author of this article, "Tristan Stewart-Robertson" has never let it pass his lips and would probably declare it to be "beastly" in a squeaky toff-type voice. Sounds like a Pimms No 1 man to me...
16

I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:30:30
RE: Alfred E Neuman - this ID is of course taken from a comic book character. The comic book is called "MAD".

Both these facts tell us all we need to know.
17

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 00:30:35
11 Alfred E. Neuman, 12/05/2008 00:27:15

"...The advert finished with a drunken MSP sitting in a London jail cell, head in hands eyes blood-shot. ...."

That's no way to talk about Lord George Foulkes or indeed any of your BNP chums

18

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:35:33
17 Wardog

Is some SNP worshipper honestly going to deny that Kenny MacAskill was arrested for being drunk and disorderly?

And he spends his days preaching to the majority of people who have never been arrested for being drunk and disorderly.

What is your opinion on this flagrant hypocrasy?

Are you going to defend a government class that goes areound getting drunk and being arrested but demands millions of people who have drunk responsibly their whole lives get taxed more because of his crimes?

Kenny does the crime, but he fines you £0.50p a can for it, what a cheek.
19

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12/05/2008 00:35:36
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I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:38:57
19.

Im certain the f art emanating from your anal "orafus" will make more sense than anything that comes out of the orifice under your nose!
21

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12/05/2008 00:41:16
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:47:15
Alfred E Neuman says...
"You don't hear the American Government slagging off budweiser do you? I think Scotland deserves optimism and the right to be proud of our country and produce, MacAskill is typical of the SNP cringe."

I'm waiting for some optimism from you Alfie. I must have read hundreds of your posts containing only pessimism and personal attacks.

Go on. You can do it.

23

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:47:37
21 Fakey (I'm not a madam)

Have you read up on Scientology and "fair-gaming".

That is what you are doing, trying to trick and deceive and cause harm.

Scary! You need to chill out and stop worshipping the SNP.

They have elected a drunken criminal, who was a Scottish minister at the time of getting drunk and committing a crime while under the influence, to preech to responsible and peaceful citizens.

If you cannot accept this as obviously relevant to the story and feel the need to trample on free-debate, you need to ask yourself some werious questions.

Although Alex Salmond did write to Robert Mugabe to express concerns on some issues that Salmond would like to explore common ground against the English, so I guess you are just short on role models for tolerance of free-speech.
24

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:48:20
Alfred E Neuman says...
"You don't hear the American Government slagging off budweiser do you? I think Scotland deserves optimism and the right to be proud of our country and produce, MacAskill is typical of the SNP cringe."

I'm waiting for some optimism from you Alfie. I must have read hundreds of your posts containing only pessimism and personal attacks.

Go on. You can do it.

25

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:49:33
Andrew BOD

What do you think of the SNP electing someone who has committed drunken crimes preaching to peaceful and responsible citizens?

For some reason there is a shortage of SNP worshippers ackowledging the obvious hypocrasy.

Do they throw you out the cult if you accept reality?
26

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:49:34
Sorry about the repeat - keyboard problems
27

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:51:55
Andrew BOD

As long as your not drunk.

I know how you SNP types shun native produce for that continental stuff you like.
28

I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:52:24
I'm bowing out on this thread.

Alfie boy is obviously deranged.
29

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:57:38
28

You mean you got caught faking me by leaving "Rutherglen" in the location at 3 and are too cowardly to acknoweldge the failings of the SNP.

Namely they have a Scottish cringe advertising other countries beverages as far superior, a SNP MSP who also was arrested for being drunk and disorderly preaching to peaceful and responsible citizens, and the same man with a second class lower education behind him in charge of justice.

I don't understand why an SNP worshipper cannot admit that?
30

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:59:43
25 Alfred E Neuman

I suppose I felt a bit uncomfortable when I heard about his past incident. However, I suspect he is driven by the lessons he has learned personally and is tackling our alcohol problem head on. That to me shows a degree of courage which is lacking in other politicians with similarly colourful pasts, i.e. Lord Foulkes.

See. No hypocrisy. No spin. Just honesty. Come join the 'cult' Alfred.
31

Samoyed,

Costa del Menie 12/05/2008 01:01:01
In figures published last week, The Scotsman’s full-rate circulation has fallen to just under 45,000; its overall figure, including bulks, was just over 50,000, while The Herald’s full-rate figure was just under 64,000. Bulks brought its total up to just over 65,000.

There is price for everything, stupidity is expensive.
32

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 01:02:17
30 Andrew

When you say "our alcohol problem head on" I presume you are referring to the SNP.

I certainly do not have an alcohol problem, but accept many in the SNP do, up to and including the Justice minister who has been arrested for being drunk and disorderly.
33

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 01:04:45
32 Alfred

When I say "we", I mean Scotland. That's where I live anyway. Maybe you do not. Scotland clearly has a well researched alcohol problem which does need to be tackled 'head on'.
34

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 01:20:50
33 Andrew BOD

I think one of the reasons we have such a bead alcohol problem is because we let MSPs who become drunken criminals keep their jobs.

The SNP in promoting a drunken disorderly arresstee to "Justice Minister" of all things has sent out a clear message that even in public office it is okay to get sh!t faced and become abusive on our streets.

By ducking the question, as you and the the other SNP bam-pots will all so you show your unbridled support for getting drunk and being abusive.
35

Navvy,

12/05/2008 01:20:51
Hey Kenny was right

Lager is for girls and *oofters
36

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

12/05/2008 01:21:14
Aye, there's bound to be a few deleted posts on this one!
37

Vivas,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 01:51:40
I offer a partial retraction to Tristan, seems he's Canadian and (probably therefore) not a squeaky voiced toff after all.

However, he should DEFINITELY recognise p1sh lager !

38

SilverShred,

in the jamjar 12/05/2008 02:37:15
What law school did old Alfie, go to then?

Thing is, if he had gone to one, he would know that a 2:2 is the degree classification of around 60-75 per cent of law graduands of MacAskill's vintage ie it is the norm.

He would also know that being arrested does not make you guilty of anything, far less make you a criminal. We have judicial process for that.
Tut tut.
39

Justin Time,

Fettes Avenue 12/05/2008 03:00:33
Why is this on this website, reported as if it is a story of interest?

For at least the last 15 years, I and all of my friends have referred to Tennent's Lager as 'cooking lager'. When someone goes to the bar and asks what your having, the response it usually 'just get me a cooking lager'. It is in no way meant to be derogatory to the beer as WE ALL drink it!

As for those who are going on about MacAskill being in the wrong, please get a life. You should be doing something that the Scotsman also needs to do and that is to try to get back in touch with mainstream Scottish society!
40

Guga II,

Rockall 12/05/2008 03:12:50
So the total waste of space, Kenny MacAskill, has dropped himself rght in it once again.

This is the well known waste of space, drinker and brawler who doesn't want to gaol anyone under the age of 18, even if they are violent neds and thugs. He probably wants to give them a slap on the wrist and send them on an overseas holiday.

This is the well known waste of space who wants to up the age limits for drinking, and force up the price of alcohol, in order to control under age drinking. As if either of these measures will do anything other than penalise ordinary people going about their lawful pursuits.

This is the waste of space that can't do anything about overcrowding in our prisons, other than let violent criminal be sent to open prisons, where they can, and do walk out as they please.

This man is a menace, and will cause severe damage to Scotland and the Scottish people if he is not brought under control or, preferably, booted out of his job for which he is manifestly unsuited.

He is a total waste of space, and betrays his earlier Labour party brainwashing with his tendency to promote knee-jerk reactions to things. Wee Eck, do us a favour and get rid of him before he doeas any real damage.
41

DunCraig,

Brisbane 12/05/2008 03:47:03
Tennents Lager = Chateau Pis du Chat 2010! I used to love it, a LONG time ago. These days, give a REAL lager any day, whether it be Dutch, Belgian, Danish, German or our local brews, Cascade Premium or Boag's Premium!
42

somerferg,

Perth 12/05/2008 04:28:59

What a storm in a small glass of awful tasting beer. A non story from a non newspaper. Only outdone in the idiotic stakes by the purine ramblings of A E.N
43

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/05/2008 05:48:17
It IS cooking lager, the same applies to Fosters & Carlsberg.
44

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/05/2008 05:52:23
32 - "I certainly do not have an alchol problem" .
Just have tae take yer word for it Alf !
Where's Lords Foulkes and Watson this morning ?
45

Itchy,

12/05/2008 06:59:24
Salmond should fire Macaskill. He is a loose cannon with an obsession about booze and he thinks he is living in the Soviet Union.
46

yockel,

12/05/2008 07:15:15
#28 SilverShred you agree with Alfred then? MacAskill is at best average.
47

gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 07:20:00
What a disgrace for what purports to be serious paper to publish a rubbish story like this.

This is what one expects to see in the likes of The Record and The Sun.

Incidentally. I almost fell off my chair laughing om saturday while reading the hypocritical crap in the supplement extolling the 'quality' and 'fairness' of The Scotsman's journalism.

Obviously written by your Cloud Cuckoo Land correspondent.
48

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 07:20:22
18 Alfred E. Neuman, 12/05/2008 00:35:33

Hypocrasy?

The first thing he did as a minister was apologies again for it.

Are you saying that these indiscretions prevent him from being an effective justice minister?

He's done more in the last 12 months to curb anti-social drinking than labour or the tories (echo echo echo) have done in the last 28 years.

I think you'll find that it is Gordon brown who is hiking tax on responsible drinkers, unless ofcourse Alfred you partake in drinking alcopops down the park of a summer evening., you don't wear a white shellsuit do you Alfie?




49

Doug Morrison,

Inverness 12/05/2008 07:21:55
The thing is - MacAskill is right. It's fizzy chemical muck. If that's what you like, fine: but if it's beer you like, then go for a real beer (many brewed in Scotland) crafted by real brewers from natural ingredients with pride.
50

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 07:23:58
25 Alfred E. Neuman,12/05/2008 00:49:33

eh, the SNp didn;t elect Kenny, Aflie

The people of Edinburgh East and Musselburgh elected Kenny, al

I don't recall many elected Tory MSP's in Scotland, why is that?

Conservative Hard on crime, hard on Everyone!


51

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 07:25:31
32 Alfred E. Neuman, 12/05/2008 01:02:17

Aflie, have you sat your final exams yet.....
52

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 12/05/2008 07:25:52
"The brief row erupted after he spoke in an interview in March"

Oh, Scotsman. Shame on you. And all credit to McAskill, a politician actually capable of immediately admitting it and apologising when he makes a mistake.
53

Wardog,

Buckie 12/05/2008 07:27:10
47 gus1940, Edinburgh 12/05/2008 07:20:00

Anything to deflect from labour's woes....

The hootsman is in New labour's pocket.

Snivelling grovelling and ultimately comic book journalism
54

jdships,

12/05/2008 07:27:51
Interesting to note how a story that carries even just a tadge of criticism of the SNP immediately brings out the " we can never be wrong" brigade who blame the newspaper and everything else but the person(s) involved.
Macaskill made a mistake in saying what he did it's not the end of the world but why can't it be accepted ?
55

jdships,

12/05/2008 07:30:14
53 Wardog,Buckie
Why buy it/read if you feel that way?
It's just like TV/PC you know ! If you don't like what is on switch off/ delete.

56

Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 07:36:11
But, but, but he's right it is cooking lager.
57

yockel,

12/05/2008 07:51:00
#55 jdships in politics stating an obvious truth can be more than a mistake. It can be a display of utter incompetence.

Guga, what's this about his Labour roots? Apart from being overtly obvious,none of his bios mention it.
58

Boggle fey the Bog,

12/05/2008 08:06:27
56 Independence? Bring it On!,12/05/2008 07:36:11

Aye an tastes like cauld p is h, an their Heavy is even worse!!!

Ah see Alfie's no takin his tablets again, whit a poor wee sorry excuse fur a person.
59

Iain green,

12/05/2008 08:07:06
Alfie, you really should learn to spell words like 'hypocrisy' before you try to demonstrate your intellectual grasp.
Similarly, learn to use commas appropriately.
I understand that you refer to yourself as a student.
If you want to, send me your essays for editing; I'll be more than happy to correct any errors before you embarrass yourself further in front of your fellow students.
Any application for employment I might receive from you which contained these errors would end up in the bin.
As for Macaskill - so what? He got arrested - no charges brought.
If you're going to dig up ancient history for cheap slurs, I suggest you've got to find better things to do with your time.
Like studying grammar and spelling, for example.
60

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 12/05/2008 08:09:11
#3 Alfred the Grate
Yes sir, failed academically,

#25 Alfred the Greet
the obvious hypocrasy.

For "hypocrasy" try 'hypocrisy'!
61

AM2,

Scotland,UK 12/05/2008 08:12:06
How did the press get a hold of the emails? Not from MacAskill, presumably.

A nationalist boycott of Tennents for “anti-SNP bile” would be amusing. ;-)
62

Iain's,

12/05/2008 08:15:38
Why is it drunks always seem to be cuddling a can of Tennants Super lager?
OK the truth hurts but shurely the booze trade has to accept some responsibility for drunkeness.

p-s. I would NEVER use Tennants lager for cooking.
63

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 12/05/2008 08:19:31
#54 Heavens, you're an idiot. Who here has defended McAskill? Everyone, including him, admits his comments were mistake (not necessarily untrue as such, but unwise) and he apologised for it within minutes. What you call for is precisely what happened. The only people who could arguably be described as not "accepting it" are The Scotsman, dragging it up and putting it on the front page two months after it was done and dusted and everyone was pals again.
64

Sillerton Loon,

Moray 12/05/2008 08:22:36
MacAskill was absolutely correct, Tennants Lager is a disgusting gas ridden concoction of vile chemicals.In fact the farmers in the North East use it as a pesticide.
65

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 12/05/2008 08:25:25
What an idiot, Tennents is a bl**dy good drop, however I may try cooking my porridge in it tomorrow, thanks for the idea you drop kick.
66

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 08:27:08
We pillory politicians when they don't tell the truth and (as in this case) we pillory them when they do tell the truth.
67

bob barley,

12/05/2008 08:27:37
#59
"Alfie, you really should learn to spell words like 'hypocrisy' before you try to demonstrate your intellectual grasp."

Iain green or Iain Green?
68

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 12/05/2008 08:34:03
Although McAskill has shown a lack of judgement again, Tennents lager is indeed 'cooking lager'. It is cheap, and it tastes cheap, therefore it is suitable for cooking purposes. I prefer a glass of 'wife-beater'.
69

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 12/05/2008 08:34:08
I don`t know anyone who likes Tennents lager.
70

Tynietiger,

12/05/2008 08:34:50
Though I think Tennants tastes like p*sh, daft comment by MacAskill
71

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 12/05/2008 08:37:44
#48 Wardog

"He's done more in the last 12 months to curb anti-social drinking than labour or the tories (echo echo echo) have done in the last 28 years"

Please enlighten me about what he has done.
72

Bob M,

12/05/2008 08:39:15
I haven't agreed with much that MacAskill has said about alcohol recently, but he's right on the money here.

73

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 08:43:33
'Mr Bruce said: "Do you think it's appropriate for a Scottish Government minister to talk in such a derogatory way about Scotland's only indigenous lager brand of note?'

Indigenous???

I didn't know that this was how you spell pi$$water.

Anyone who thinks that Tennents tastes good needs a serious 'kicking'. Kenny is right to describe it as cooking lager. It's only good for winos and sixteen year olds. No serious beer afficianado would touch the stuff with a bargepole. The Weegies are welcome to it.

74

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/05/2008 08:48:30
Hello All,

The bottom line is that the minister is totally bereft of any intelligence: he still refuses to accept the FACT that the problems of alcoholism arise from INDIVIDUALS failing to exercise some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Heroin is available. Crack is available. Ecstasy is available.

NONE of them are legal to manufacture. NONE of them are legal to possess. NONE of them can be bought from any supermarket shelf.

Despite all of these facts, Scotland STILL has a serious problem arising from people using these and other drugs.

What's the minister going to do, declare war on Turkey, Columbia, Bolivia, etc., because those countries either produce or allow conduits for the transport of those drugs?

Until the Politically Correct mindless dweebs in the public pull their heads out, and rational people put pressure on political hacks like the minister, NOTHING will change.

People who drink too much (and get stoned on drugs) are the CAUSE of the crime, accidents, injuries, and deaths, NOT the brewers, not the supermarkets, and not the advertising agents promoting the booze.

Just because something is for sale, that does NOT mean you have to buy it.

Cheers from the Rockies
75

It's me!,

12/05/2008 08:53:07
If Tennents lager was any good people would buy it in preference to foreign brands. But it isn't so they don't.
76

Melly,

Sussex 12/05/2008 09:01:57
Strange that the events happened in MARCH !! Presumably Kenny MacAskell didn`t release the emails so we can anly assume it was InBev UK so why have they released these now? Is this a diversionary tactic `cos Wendy`s in trouble again ? Personally I can`t stand any of these mass market crappy lagers and if I had my way I`d ban them.
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Alasdair,

12/05/2008 09:13:06
#75, It's me! - I can't believe I'm coming to the defence of Tennents here, but it's the best of a bad bunch as far as the generic big brands are concerned. Sure, it's not as nice as a lovely Belgian or German beer, or indeen a nice ale, but it's a damn sight better than Carling, Miller, Budweiser, Carlsberg, Fosters, etc. etc.

btw - did you know that it's marketed as an exotic foreign beer elsewhere? Go to Italy and see how many pubs have it on tap, you'll be shocked! Infact, and this is really weird, the Italians have Tennents Super on tap too. It's marketed as a strong foreign beer with an acquired taste! I'm not kidding.

Beer is all about marketing - folk are thick enough here to pay £4 fpr a pint of Peroni, and that's the cheapest cr@p from Italy, and nice bars here sell Fustenberg which no serious German beer lover touches. In fact, a German mate of mine considers it a tramp's beer!

I could go on, suffice to say that of all the rotten beers in the world (and there are many), Tennents wouldn't even make the list. Think of all the goons that drink Mexican or South American beers that taste of water..
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 09:19:57
77 Alasdair
I've been in Italy many times and I was in Rome last year. I haven't seen Tennents lager once. What kind of bar did you frequent?
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Stuart M,

Stoney 12/05/2008 09:21:11
Tennents Lager ...

When I was 18 or 19 I use dto think it was nectar ....

I stopped drinking it about 20 years ago ... went onto real ales. I used to like Tennents Gold Bier it was a decent lager. Tried a pint or two of Tennets Lager the past two months in a fit of nostalgia... it was rotten... didnt even taste of beer.. could not finish the last one. So either my taste buds have improved with age (unlikey as it would appear to be the only thing that has) .. or the beer quality has gone down hill. My money is on the latter.

I'll stick with Deuchars IPA.

Slainte

Stuart M
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cleaning the bathroom,

up on the roof 12/05/2008 09:22:26
well it obviously shows Mr Rob Bruce doesn't have a sense of humour when Tennents is referred to as 'cooking lager'! Jeez - get a grip! lighten up, have a pint of cooking lager - whoops! sorry....
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 12/05/2008 09:26:52
#76 Melly

That's it... join the dots! Tennent's backstabbed Kenny MacAskill. Anti-Scottish traitors to the core! It's a filthy unionist lager. Owned by InBev UK - the clue is in the name. They even - shock! horror! - have English brands: Bass, Boddingtons etc. Come on CyberNats, put your money where your mouths are. Boycott Tennent's! Protest march for all true patriots from George Square to Duke Street 12 noon Saturday! ;-)
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Stuart M,

Stoney 12/05/2008 09:27:04
Alasdair ...

I belive that Tennents Lager and Carling are the same beer, Carling certainly was brewed at Wellpark (might not be now) so its all a marketing scam. I try and buy a lager brewed in the country that it comes from.. not a brewed under license imitation. Stopped drinking, Grolsch, Stella, Carlsberg, Heinekin for this reason... ...

:-)
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Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 12/05/2008 09:30:27
Actually, I like Tesco Value lager. It's only 22 pence a tin and 2% alcohol, so you can guzzle 2 or 3 tins of an evening without worrying about getting drunk, and it tastes great.
I used to be a big drinker, so I know what the good stuff tastes like, and this stuff is worth trying...
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Doh,

12/05/2008 09:33:14


I dont usually agree with Kenny McKegswill but lets face it it is cooking lager. Mind you not very clever dissing his voters favourite tipple.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 12/05/2008 09:38:20
#83 Filosofo

Tesco?! Another unionist abomination! Boycott Tesco! ;-)

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/unionist-tesco/
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Alasdair,

12/05/2008 09:38:24
#78, Ugly George - you are joking surely? I don't know how you missed it. I was in Rome last year, and many of the bars in the Trastavere stand out in my memory as having it. I noticed it in many Milan bars a few years back too.
They're into their whisky too - did you know MaCallan makes a 7yo specially for the Italian market? Weird.

Anyhoo - a quick google reveals:
"Existing markets include Italy, Spain, North America and New Zealand"
http://www.sundayherald.com/business/businessnews/display.var.2156884.0.tennents_tries_world_lager_market_again.php
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Southsider71,

East Renfrewshire, Glasgow 12/05/2008 09:43:35
Tennent's lager is the buckfast of lagers...vile stuff
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/05/2008 09:49:57
Tennents are committed to doing something about the Nations alcohol problem..

?

Is this the same 'Tennents' that used to coach 'guests' from Glasgow's down and out hostels into the brewery for a guided tour and sampling session...

What clever marketing, like Nestle's and baby milk eh?
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Norman,

12/05/2008 09:55:19
I'd have thought someone arrested for being drunk might know what he's talking about. He'll have a better insight into the results of over-drinking than many others. Course he can never live up to the paragons of virtue that inhabit these pages or write for them...

Everytime I see a can of Tennent's lying in some waste ground, or some of their bright packaging by the side of the road, I think thank goodness there's a company that's "committed to helping tackle the country's problems with alcohol."

Honestly, what are they on?
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Ugly George,

12/05/2008 09:55:23
86 Alasdair
This is, indeed, very strange. I too was staying in Trastavere. I had an appartment just off Via Emilio Morosini and, as I said, I never saw Tennents lager. Perhaps my eyesight had suffered from too much grappa.
I agree with you about the Whisky though.
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Iain MS,

Newcastle - North of Hadrian's Wall 12/05/2008 10:02:38
Mr Rob Bruce talks of "...... Scotland's only indigenous lager brand OF NOTE?". Is that not, in turn, derogatory of the other Scottish produced lagers?
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 10:03:45
I remember Norseman.Now THAT was cooking lager
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Alasdair,

12/05/2008 10:03:49
Probably for the best, George! I accidentally ordered a pint of something called Tennents red ale.. god knows what it was, but suffice to say not much was drank!

Funny place for bars, Rome. Not exactly many to choose from in the old town. Did you happen to go to the strange beer hall in a cellar? It's just on the other side of the river from Trastavere. You could get platters of mixed meat and cheese to go with your beer for about 10 euros. The quality and quantity of both would set you back about £30 over here..
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 10:04:09
Tennants Lager is disgusting.

The only lagers worth drinking are German Pilseners.
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Miss H,

12/05/2008 10:05:56
That this is considered a story is bizarre enough. That 91 people feel obliged to comment is even stranger.

I wonder what flavour crisps Kennny likes best...
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Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 12/05/2008 10:06:45
Tennants helping to tackle Scotland's alcohol problem!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha don't make me larf!

Dad says you've to stay alive people, it's the only way to live

Loki jnr
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 12/05/2008 10:12:53
#95 Miss H

P*** and vinegar, reportedly.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/05/2008 10:13:54
#94 Agreed with you - it's looks like pee and it tastes like pee.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 10:15:19
95 Miss H

You don't accept that this an example of the SNP and their Scottish cringe.

All I have heard is how much better foreign countries are, how bad we Scots are. Surely Scotland deserves more than Nanny MacAskill, surely we should be free to make our own decision