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US presidential debate - as it happened



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Published Date: 08 October 2008
Barack Obama built on his momentum as he came face-to-face with his Republican rival John McCain in the second presidential debate last night. The Scotsman was blogging live from the event.
Click here to read our blow-by-blow account.

The "worst financial crisis since the Great Depression" dominated the encounter, which also saw the two candidates trade blows on foreign policy, the Iraq war and health care.

A CNN poll taken immediately after the debate showed 54% thought Mr Obama won, compared with 33% for Mr McCain.

Some US political pundits said the Republican often came across as condescending, suggesting voters may not have heard of the US mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and at one point referring to Mr Obama as "that one" when talking about an energy bill.

Mr McCain also left the debate hall at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, before his Democratic rival, who stayed behind with his wife Michelle to chat with audience members.

The Arizona senator needed a game-changing performance in the debate to get his campaign back on track, and initial reactions in the US showed there were no signs of it.

With just four weeks to go until the election, Mr Obama leads in virtually all the battleground states and has more than a five point lead nationally in the latest average of polls by RealClearPolitics.com.

Mr McCain's poll numbers plummeted as his campaign stumbled in its handling of the financial crisis engulfing the nation in recent weeks.

Mr Obama said it was the "final verdict on the failed economic policies of the past eight years".

The Illinois senator said the US was "in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression" and the 700 billion dollar (£400bn) financial rescue package was "step one".

He also reminded the millions of Americans watching that his rival had recently said "the fundamentals of the economy are strong".

Eager to get started in the town hall debate format which he was known to favour, Mr McCain stood up next to his seat while Mr Obama was talking.

"Americans are angry, they're upset and they're a little fearful," he said.

He also proposed a 300 billion dollar (£171bn) programme for the US government to buy up bad home mortgages and allow homeowners to keep their houses.

"Until we stabilise home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy, and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America," he said.

Moments earlier, the two candidates walked to the centre of the arena at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, smiled and shook hands before taking their seats on the tall stools set out for them as they prepared to take questions from pre-selected "undecided" voters in the audience.

They were meeting after the race took an aggressively negative turn over the weekend, with the McCain campaign claiming Mr Obama was linked with terrorists and the Obama campaign accusing Mr McCain of using "smear tactics" to distract voters.

But the debate format allowed few opportunities for the pair to clash directly and they offered little that they has not said previously.

In those rare moments, Mr McCain criticised his rival's economic plans, saying that tying down his tax proposals was "like nailing jello to a wall".

In response, Mr Obama said: "Senator McCain, I think the Straight-talk Express lost a wheel on that one," referring to the name Mr McCain uses for his campaign bus and jet.

After 45-minutes of debating the economic crisis, roughly half of the debate, the questions moved on to other issues, including energy, foreign policy and healthcare.

The two men clashed over the Iraq war, which Mr Obama opposed and Mr McCain supported, and over plans to end it – Mr Obama wants to withdraw US troops within 16 months of taking office while Mr McCain said US troops would only come home if it was in "victory".

Mr McCain said that, unlike his rival, he would speak softly but carry a big stick and attacked Mr Obama for saying he would invade Pakistan.

The Democrat urged the moderator to allow him time to respond, against the rules of the debate, and both candidates were given more time, leading to an unusual direct confrontation between the two presidential candidates.

Mr Obama said "nobody called for the invasion of Pakistan" and added he had said that if Pakistan "was unable or unwilling to hunt down bin Laden then we should".

"Senator McCain suggests that somehow I'm green behind the ears and I've just spun off and he's sombre and responsible," Mr Obama said.

"Sen McCain, this is the guy who sang, 'bomb bomb bomb Iran'; who called for the annihilation of North Korea.

"That I don't think is an example of speaking softly."

Mr McCain explained that he was joking with "an old veteran friend" about Iran and that the point was that he knew how to handle crises.

Mr McCain, who shuffles slightly and holds his arms stiffly after being tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, was a stark contrast as he walked around the stage to the tall, lean Mr Obama, 47.

At one point Mr McCain, who at 72 is also grey and balding, poked fun at himself and drew attention to their images when he said that he might need a hair transplant one day himself as the debate moved to healthcare.

Later, both candidates said the US was a "great nation" and would face unknown challenges in the future as they aimed to woo voters in a bid to become the 44th president of the United States.

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1

2dogs in D.C.,

08/10/2008 01:51:29
Yep,everyone's gonna fix Washington.But, what you all may not know,is that every summer,about August, Washington purges itself. Most of the politicians go home.
2

2dogs in D.C.,

08/10/2008 03:52:16
Oh,dear God. my Brother was here tonight for the debate. We played a drinking game,slam it down when McCain said"My friends".My Brother's staying the night, and I wonder if I'll make it to work in the a.m.
3

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 03:55:38
Both candidates may have some good ideas to fix long-standing problems but it is all very well to say, "I voted against it", which seems to be McCain's favourite expression, that is an admission that he is a lousy debater and that his influence where it matters is negligible.

During his 26 years with the means to improve the situation he has failed, therefore it is imperative the next president should be a better salesman. It is evident that is not McCain.

Roll on REAL change.

4

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 04:32:38
For a man who "Knows how to fix everything" McCain's own words, if you are one of those responsible for breaking everything in the first place, sorry, that's unbelievable.
5

British Military Vet Veritas,

Nashville, Tennessee, USA 08/10/2008 05:46:24
Obama won the debate hands down. McCain is now desperate and falling behind in the polls each passing day.

It looks like curtains for McCain and McPalin, and that is good news for the US and for the rest of the world.
6

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 08/10/2008 05:47:59
LIVE: US presidential debate

BORING...BORING...BORING

Give me the Britney Spears type Bimbo, Palin every time. We her high frequency shrill voice, and her Joe Six Pack mentality.

GC

7

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 05:56:30
As incompetent and frightening as Palin would be in the chair if McCain kicked the bucket, after watching his performance in the latest "debate" it's a throw of a coin as to which one would be worse.

It seems The Scotsman doesn't like the term "t*ss up"
8

Pilrig,

Livingston 08/10/2008 06:14:10
Palin - the Martha Mitchell of oor time.
9

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 08/10/2008 06:49:43
#6 Politics isn't meant to be entertainment. Boring is often good.

If I was a US citizen I would be terrified by the vice P candidates; each at heart beat from the top job. Dear God.
10

DocORock,

Venice, CA (USA) 08/10/2008 06:54:06
I like hearing views outside our country, so crazed during these times. I hope the rest of the world understands we Americans really tire of this mud-slinging and character bashing as anyone else. Media seem to believe we demand it, hence it's glorified.

I also hope other countries understand that we didn't REALLY vote for Bush. Either time. Sorry about the killing and global mess and all that. We're trying to do better by ourselves by showing how we CLEARLY prefer Obama over McBush this time...perhaps minimize the ability to be cheated out of our intended president this go-around.
11

DocORock,

Venice, CA (USA) 08/10/2008 06:59:44
RULES: Yes, we're petrified of at least one of the VP candidates - "You betchya'!" {wink} She needs to continue with her beauty queen contests and let go of this little joke of trying to run a country.
12

Boy Wonder,

08/10/2008 07:53:37
You'd think after Quayle, no-one would pick eejits for running mates ... but hey ... it IS America. I suppose the running mates are chosen to make the candidates look like intellectual giants!

Only, from here ... it looks like they keep missing the point of why they're elected with a vice-prez!
13

2dogs in D.C.,

08/10/2008 08:36:23
McCain didn't look so well,did he? President Palin,anyone?
14

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 08/10/2008 10:16:25
#13 2dogs in D.C.,
"McCain didn't look so well,did he?
McCain looks worse every time I see him.
He's so fragile, and that giant lump on his left cheek keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Obama won debate over McCain: polls
SNAP polls indicate Barack Obama easily won today's second presidential debate against John McCain, who was in need of a game-changing moment to help resurrect his run for the White House.

A CNN poll at the conclusion of the debate in Nashville, Tennessee, had 54 per cent of voters saying Obama won, versus McCain at 30 per cent. A CBS poll had a narrower result but still favoured Obama at 39 to 27.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24465331-601,00.html

It's bye bye republican pie.
Obama won easily and there's no prize for second place

LOL. Yee Haaa!!
15

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 08/10/2008 10:18:13
2 dogs in D.C.

Good morning to you, sir, and hope you recover from last night's uncharacteristic overindulgence in the "wee drams".

Palin is the wackiest woman I have seen on television in years - be it comedy, tragedy, drama, or last night's digraceful exhibition of "down home" humour and "understanding" by that ageing numptie by the name of McCain.

Thank GOD Palin was not there to whip up her usual caldron of witch's brew.
16

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 10:57:38

McCain

2-Old

2-Last

4-Years
17

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08/10/2008 11:28:54
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 11:30:58

Talk about US symbolism -

"The Failing Warior" VS "The Pragmatic Leader"

Only one way to go
19

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08/10/2008 11:32:50
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 11:34:23
#17

"They would not allow any William Ayers terrorist questions".

It would not have been a problem for Obama if they had as it's only a smear campaign by put about by the Avon Lady.
21

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08/10/2008 11:35:04
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 11:39:58
#21

Do you have some sort of affinity with senile individuals with a short term memory problem about ready for an old folks home?
23

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08/10/2008 11:41:20
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08/10/2008 11:42:57
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 11:52:09

#21

The "Failing Warior" is obviously McCain
The "Pragmatic Leader" is Obama
Have a coffee
26

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08/10/2008 11:56:10
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 12:00:03
#24

You wouldn't recognise a fact if it smacked you in the face.
28

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 12:04:16
#19

Here's a fact for you to chew on:

http://washingtonindependent.com/11173/raid-on-acorn-offices-in-nevada-reflects-republican-desparation-to-stop-voter-registration-drive

If you have the intestinal fortitude to open it.

29

Miss Pixie,

formerly of Dinleyhaughfoot Cottage, Roxburghshire 08/10/2008 12:05:42
I fell asleep after 20 minutes but I did notice that McCain appeared to shuffle about like he was wearing bedroom slippers. I did not know until now that his suffling is due to being tortured. Having said that, Obama does not stoop to ridiculous behavior like the opposition does. Palin's flirty winking and other body language is not appropriate for the office she is seeking.
30

D-945,

08/10/2008 12:12:16
Do you have anything of substance to add?
31

D-945,

08/10/2008 12:30:52
#31 FH Troll

Obama is the second largest recipient of donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in History.

2 years ago McCain & Bush wanted to overhaul Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but Democrats that were given large sums of money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac said they were solid companies and should be left alone.
32

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 12:51:11
#32

"2 years ago McCain & Bush wanted to overhaul Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but Democrats that were given large sums of money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac said they were solid companies and should be left alone"

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that 2 years ago the Bush administration was in power.
33

bill2,

england 08/10/2008 12:58:52
#33 LHTT

You are wrong in that you always try to mislead people. Of course Bush was in charge of he White House and as everyone knows there are 3 branches of government in the USA. Congress is controlled by the democrats, they took it over 2 years ago. Remember Nancy Pelosi? Ding Ding The Speaker of the House??

Just because Bush wants to do something he still needs support of congress which he did not have with congress with the Fannie Mae problem.

The question for the Yanks should be "Are you better off now than you were two years ago prior to the democrats taking over congress"?
34

Number 6,

Germany 08/10/2008 12:59:00
#29 Actually, there is no evidence whatsoever that McCain was ever tortured. he admits in his own auto-biography that his arms were broken on ejecting from his aircraft. Yes, he was apparently man-handled on the ground by the villagers he was bombing, but tortured ?
all evidence would suggest otherwise. This is one of the main reasons he has campaigned all his life to close down the investigations into MIAs and to keep vietnam prisoner files, especially his own, from being made public.
35

bill2,

england 08/10/2008 13:04:17
35 Number 6

Your demented tasteless comments have no bounds.
36

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 13:10:32
#34 bill2

"You are wrong in that you always try to mislead people".

I'm flattered that you believe I am in a position to mislead people.

I see your posts here often enough espousing your opinions and just maybe they are not all valid. Would you be attempting to influence (mislead) people by any chance?

37

Number 6,

Germany 08/10/2008 13:18:17
#36 I think you will find that the phrase is "Knows no bounds". Incidentally I stand by everything I said.
Instead of expressing mock outrage, why don't you have a go at proving me wrong.
38

Bemused and above it all,

08/10/2008 13:19:52
Anyone think Obama will survive if he's elected?

McCAin will win, simply because he is white and from established money.
39

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 13:28:21
#39

You may be right. You can bet your boots that the rethuglican machinery is working on how to rig the election just as they did in 2000 and 2004 and to deny insofar as is possible, the coloured vote.

(For bill2's benefit) No I'm not trying to mislead!

40

Number 6,

Germany 08/10/2008 13:33:34
#40, in some states the Republicans are trying to impose a dress code as they see so many young, t-shirt wearing people registering as democrats.

They will actually try and stop students etc, in fact anyone wearing a t-shirt, from voting.

"Land of the Free" ?. Where do they get that from ?.
41

Fidelio,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 13:45:28
Taxi for a couple of f@nnies!!
42

Number 6,

Germany 08/10/2008 13:51:28
Those of you not aware of this attack on your civil liberties google " Pennsylvania Dress Code" to see what I mean.

#42 you will need your probation officer to help you.
43

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 14:12:58
#41 Number6

"They will actually try and stop students etc, in fact anyone wearing a t-shirt, from voting"

The similarities between present day USA and the run-up to the Third Reich are startling.

44

George.,

08/10/2008 14:16:14
http://townhall.com/columnists/Teren..._see?page=full


The Obama Debate Every American Should See
by Terence Jeffrey

The most telling debate Barack Obama ever had was not with John McCain but Patrick O'Malley, who served with Obama in the Illinois Senate and engaged Obama in a colloquy every American should read.

The Obama-O'Malley debate was a defining moment for Obama because it dealt with such a fundamental issue: The state's duty to protect the civil rights of the young and disabled.

Some background: Eight years ago, nurse Jill Stanek went public about the "induced-labor abortions" performed at the Illinois hospital where she worked. Often done on Down syndrome babies, the procedure involved medicating the mother to cause premature labor.

Babies who survived this, Stanek testified in the U.S. Congress, were brought to a soiled linen room and left alone to die without care or comforting.

Then-Illinois state Sen. Patrick O'Malley, whom I interviewed this week, contacted the state attorney general's office to see whether existing laws protected a newborn abortion-survivor's rights as a U.S. citizen. He was told they did not.

So, O'Malley -- a lawyer, veteran lawmaker and colleague of Obama on the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee -- drafted legislation.

In 2001, he introduced three bills. SB1093 said if a doctor performing an abortion believed there was a likelihood the baby would survive, another physician must be present "to assess the child's viability and provide medical care." SB1094 gave the parents, or a state-appointed guardian, the right to sue to protect the child's rights. SB1095 simply said a baby alive after "complete expulsion or extraction from its mother" would be considered a "'person, 'human being,' 'child' and 'individual.'"

The bills dealt exclusively with born children. "This legislation was about preventing conduct that allowed infanticide to take place in the state of Illinois," O'Malley told me.

The Judiciar
45

George.,

08/10/2008 14:17:16
http://townhall.com/columnists/Teren..._see?page=full



The Judiciary Committee approved the bills with Obama in opposition. On March 31, 2001, they came up on the Illinois senate floor. Only one member spoke against them: Obama.

"Nobody else said anything," O'Malley recalls. The official transcript validates this.

"Sen. O'Malley," Obama said near the beginning of the discussion, "the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as -- as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb."

Obama made three crucial concessions here: the legislation was about 1) a human being, who was 2) "alive" and 3) "outside the womb."

He also used an odd redundancy: "temporarily alive." Is there another type of human?

"And one of the concerns that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not being properly cared for during that brief period of time that they were still living," Obama continued.

Here he made another crucial concession: The intention of the legislation was to make sure that 1) a human being, 2) alive and 3) outside the womb was 4) "properly cared for."

"Is that correct?" Obama asked O'Malley.

O'Malley tightened the logical knot. "(T)his bill suggests that appropriate steps be taken to treat that baby as a -- a citizen of the United States and afforded all the rights and protections it deserves under the Constitution of the United States," said O'Malley.

But to these specific temporarily-alive-outside-the-womb-human beings -- to these children who had survived a botched abortion, whose hearts were beating, whose muscles were moving, whose lungs were heaving -- to these specific children of God, Obama was not willing to concede any constitutional rights at all.

To explain his position, Obama came up with yet another term to describe the human being who would be protected by O'Mall
46

George.,

08/10/2008 14:17:51
http://townhall.com/columnists/Teren..._see?page=full




To explain his position, Obama came up with yet another term to describe the human being who would be protected by O'Malley's bills. The abortion survivor became a "pre-viable fetus."

By definition, however, a born baby cannot be a "fetus." Merriam-Webster Online defines "fetus" as an "unborn or unhatched vertebrate" or "a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth." Obama had already conceded these human beings were "alive outside the womb."

"No. 1," said Obama, "whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements of the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term."

Yes. In other words, a baby born alive at 37 weeks is just as much a human "person" as a baby born alive at 22 weeks.

Obama, however, saw a problem with calling abortion survivors "persons." "I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions," said Obama, "because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute."

For Obama, whether or not a temporarily-alive-outside-the-womb little girl is a "person" entitled to constitutional rights is not determined by her humanity, her age or even her place in space relative to her mother's uterus. It is determined by a whether a doctor has been trying to kill her.
47

George.,

08/10/2008 14:24:06
Berg Outraged: Obama & DNC file motion to delay discovery until after defendants motion to dismiss is decided
Monday, 06 October 2008 19:51 administrator
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Berg is “Outraged” that Obama & DNC Hide Again Behind Legal Issues as their attorney files a Motion for Protective Order to “not” Answer Admissions & Production of Documents while Betraying Public in not Producing Documents proving Obama is “qualified” to be a candidate for President.

It is believed Obama is an “illegal alien”

http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/29-berg-outraged-obama-a-dnc-file-motion-to-prevent-concurrent-discovery
48

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 08/10/2008 14:27:37
George'

"It is believed Obama is an “illegal alien"

Is he is from another planet where they are more advanced than planet Earth?
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08/10/2008 14:29:07
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Number 6,

Germany 08/10/2008 14:34:34
#45 George,

Is this Nazi like slaughter of the new borns still going on in modern America.?
51

DocORock,

Venice, CA (USA) 08/10/2008 14:43:48
Hey, George - that's a really old smear. Are you Repugs that desperate by now? Still trying these stunts to get McBush elected? Here is a little picture for you - it's Obama's birth certificate: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Enjoy.
52

Number 6,

Germany 08/10/2008 14:46:23
George, would you mind reminding everyone just where Old man McCain was born ?.
53

Leftie,

UK 08/10/2008 15:03:26
Once Obama is elected Pres he will definitely be there for 8 years and will probably become the best president in US history.
54

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 08/10/2008 15:51:44
McCain's campaign says now that they will cut medicare by $1.3 trillion over 10 years. here's a link on that.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122315505846605217.html

Obama has a birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii. The Hawaii state officials say it is a valid document and that he was born there. But it is still controversial in that some people say it is a fraud, that he was really born elsewhere.

McCain was born in Panama as his parents lived there when he was born. but both parents are american and his family was there due to his father's assignment in the US Navy.
55

Sandi,

San Diego 08/10/2008 15:56:01
#41,

"They will actually try and stop students etc, in fact anyone wearing a t-shirt, from voting."

Not true. Nor is it a Republican issue only. The law in every state forbids campaigning within a certain number of feet from the entrance to the polling place. In California, for instance, it is 100 feet. You aren't allowed to wear clothing with a candidate's name, picture or a campaign slogan, or campaign buttons, etc. when you go into the polling place to vote. Campaigns may not post signs within this distance either. The idea, obviously a foreign concept to you, is that voters should not feel harrassed and/or threatened while voting. This is not new, it has been the law for as long as I have been voting here and before that.

#50,

The donations from Fannie and Freddie are bundled by executives of the corporations. No individual can donate more than $2300 to a candidate in an election cycle. The primary is separate from the general election for that purpose. No corporation can donate at all to a political campaign.

In this manner, Obama received the second largest amount of donations from Fannie and Freddie, right after Chris Dodd (D), the chair of the banking committee.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

56

Somerled,

Loma Linda 08/10/2008 16:16:01
FOX news poll was 87% for McCain 12 for Obama
57

doublescotch,

U.S.A 08/10/2008 16:40:30
#17 Scaramouche& Pictus. You have risen from the grave?! :)
58

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 08/10/2008 16:43:11
McCain has said many times that "I know How To Win Wars"
He was shot down and captured in Viet Nam - so that one doesn't count. We're still in Iraq, so I have to ask why he hasn't passed this knowledge on to our Secretary of Defense. He says he knows how to capture Bin Laden, but he won't tell anyone unless he's elected. Why is he keeping this information to himself, if he has it, while Americans are still dying in Iraq and Afghanistan?
59

Alan B,

08/10/2008 17:04:48
Have not been that impressed with Obama. Blair without the smarm. However Palin seems like a nutter. Obama's running mate seems head and shoulders above the rest.

Obama is the president the world needs, however probably for the wrong reasons.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 08/10/2008 17:16:15
Dudes . McCain is all washed up.

Amidst threatening shouts of, "Kill Him!" that sent a chilling pall over the presidential campaign of 2008, John McCain swore an oath before a huge audience to get tough with Obama in their no-holds-barred main event in Nashville, but he was all talk and no trousers.

On the night, McCain faltered and fidgeted and failed to deliver one single syllable about William Ayers, domestic terror or Obama being a radical candidate with a dangerous anti-American agenda. McCain went in like a testosterone-fuelled lion, but he came out like an impotent lamb - roasted, seasoned and garnished with a huge dollop of mint jelly.

When McCain charged that Obama did not understand foreign policy, Obama retorted that he understood it was a colossal mistake to invade Iraq. When McCain charged that Obama mis-spoke when he said he might strike Pakistan to destroy Al-Qaida, Obama reminded McCain that he had sung, "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." In the course of the debate, McCain was outclassed, outgunned and outrun, time and time and time again.

Obama's performance was so commanding that he barely noticed the petulant and pesky McCain. In the most telling moment of the crucial event, the debate moderator, Tom Brokaw, put the question to both contenders: "Is healthcare a right or a responsibility?" McCain plumped conservatively for "responsibility," while Obama opted for the progressive notion that healthcare is a fundamental human right. This dichotomy clearly defined the two candidates just as starkly as their foreign policies and their personal performances in the town hall debate.

McCain seemed like a man about to explode in a fit of fury, but he was merely frustrated because he did not have the spark to ignite his own fuse. Obama was as calm and commanding as ever. McCain behaved like a drunken braggodocio swilling double shots of scotch in a smoke-filled officer's club, while Obama exuded an aura of effortless superiority typical of
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GalacticCannibal,

MurrietaCA for more WAR VOTE McCain 08/10/2008 17:18:04
#62 contd...

typical of a Commander-in-Chief in charge of the Situation Room during a crisis.

Adios GC
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 18:05:09

"I know how to do that"
"I know how to do that"
"I know how to do that"
"I know how to do that"
"I know how to do that"

Where has this living God been all of our lives ?
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Boy Wonder II,

08/10/2008 18:14:50
50 DocORock

Stop spewing lies.
65

Boy Wonder II,

08/10/2008 18:26:41
56 Sandi

Nice try but you can't talk sense to radical idiots like DocORock.
66

Boy Wonder II,

08/10/2008 18:27:36
57 Somerled

I'm sure that is a lie, you liberals are good at making up numbers.
67

Sandi,

San Diego 08/10/2008 18:34:28
#62,

Honesty isn't one of your big things, is it?

Para 1, nonsense. That one (1) shout came at a Palin rally when she was talking about Bill Ayers, domestic terrorist friend of Obama's. The shout, IMO, referred to Ayers.

para 2, The subject of the town-hall-style debate was the economy. But don't worry, Ayers isn't going away.

para 3, Obama does not understand the implications of his "meeting our enemies with no preconditions" statement-during a debate earlier this year, on telelvision and Youtube. If you had been paying attention, you would have heard McCain laugh at the bomb, bomb, dig and relate to the audience that he was joking with a fellow veteran. Right back in Obama's smug face.

para 4, At no time did Obama say that healthcare was a "fundamental human right". He did say "right" rather than responsibility. However, "rights" in the US are governed by the Constitution, and nowhere in that document is health care even mentioned. McCain had it correct, as a "resposibility", but I would put the responsibility on the government to provide it. That is not a position either candidate takes.

para 5 is so ridiculous that I won't even comment.
68

Boy Wonder II,

08/10/2008 18:37:26
62 GalacticCannibal

What kind of drugs are you on today?
69

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 18:39:54

Sad to see John McCain going out with a whimper and not a bang.

He's finished. The electoral numbers tell all. Check CNN.
70

Rami,

Derry, New Hampshire U.S. 08/10/2008 18:44:55
Yes my friends' our up-coming election with these
current canidates will be quite a challenge. I don't
suppose you could send over a couple of good write-in
canidates from your U.K. that could help the U.S. and
the rest of the World in general! With over six-billion peoples' of Earth, so hard to believe this is the best my fellow countrymen could come up with to
solve the so many problems that I think we caused most
of them.......
71

Media 1,

cape town 08/10/2008 18:57:03
The American economy is in a diabolical mess and war is out of control. The McCain camp and the party they represent is an absolutely shambolic disgrace.

As I said before many times - Bush went after Saddam and Iraq as opposed to going after Bin Laden. A slap in the face to the American people and a reminder that terrorism is of no relevance to the Bush administration was all that mattered.
Create attacks on your own and then use the reaction to attack whoever you want. And even dupe them into believing that the enemy was a country even thought you already told them it was an organisation called Al Qaeda ,which incidently, was the brain child of the American war machine.

Time for change indeed! OUT with the terrorist creators and the terrorist supporters and in with the new and improved statesman know as Barak Obama.

Go on yersel Barak - you the man!
72

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 19:11:16

"That one" is the man for the job,

The other one needs some Prozac and a wheelchair.

Very disappointed in McCain.
73

SouthernGent,

08/10/2008 20:38:06
The world is headed for recession, and many on here want Obama and his tax hikes. The recession will surely turn to depression if tax hikes are inacted. What are you people thinking?
74

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75

georgia,

just outside chicago 08/10/2008 21:06:26
bit of a flip-flop, isn't it?

Obama is presidential, carries himself presidentially, and (unless the Republicans succeed in stealing another election) he will be president for at least four years. I do believe our country will be better for that.
76

The Guga is hung like a midge,

Rockall 08/10/2008 21:10:00
75 georgia

You sound like a left wing radical hell bent on electing a socialist terrorist appeaser like Obama. You also sound like the typical cold hearted bast*rd liberal that makes offensive comments about McCain’s posture from his broken arms and shoulder that were not set properly as a POW.
77

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 21:13:13

A POW does not a POTUS make - even in a padded suit !

A little fact-check on these pesky TAXES of Obama's-
McCain is simply LYING -

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html
78

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 21:23:21

When the capitalists become the socialists in times of trouble, what can we call that ? Extortion ?
79

georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 08/10/2008 21:27:21
#77 You know you're cute when you get angry...

Guilty as charged...so what else is new? Has it ruined your day? And by the way, that's "cold hearted" b*tch
liberal....

What I find offensive is a man who let George W. Bush malign and slander him in 2000 for having a "dark child" and then climbing under the political sheets with him just a few years later, defending him and mimicking his agenda. Now that's what McCain allowed George W. Bush to do to him when Bush wanted the Republican nomination in '00 - so I must say I have no respect for John McCain. You had best believe that if Bush were able to run for a third term, he would drag McCain's name through the mud once again. So please stop with your pompous, high-and-mighty-sounding posting. McCain may have been tortured in the past, but that makes me wonder why he thinks Bush (who has funneled rendition flights through your own country) is such a great guy.

80

Media 1,

cape town 08/10/2008 21:30:29
Gugga

I would rather vote for what you call a left wing terrorist (bit extreme I must say) than vote for the party who failed to go after the REAL terrorist Osama Bin Laden..

So on the topic of terror!

How many American soldiers have died in the last 7 years? How many children have lost fathers? How many people died in 9/11?

And just where is Osama Bin Laden hiding that the biggest and most technological army in the history of mankind cannot find him?

His hiding place is so good that only the Pentagon and the Bush administration know where it is - after all they owe the dude big time for his efforts! Or at least so it would seem based on their reluctance to find him.
81

georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 08/10/2008 21:44:08
#77

And another thing, I never said anything about the way McCain positions his arms - I said his suit looks like it's padded (everywhere, even his back), which makes him look a bit like a doddering Quasimodo. Heaven help us, the new president is Beauty (?) Queen Sarah Palin!!!!!

I think the Republicans know McCain is not long for this world so have set him up with a Barbie Doll running-mate so she can have lots of years in the limelight under the tutelage of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney (who will never die, it would appear)....
82

sandy,

Land of the free, home of the brave 08/10/2008 22:10:19
#31 Cutty Sark

"I am sure that all "thinking" US voters will see beyond the current republican rhetoric."

Why would we?....It's the most accurate 'rhetoric' out there! :o))
83

sandy,

Land of the free, home of the brave 08/10/2008 22:13:04
#75 georgia

It's called a 'bullet proof vest' under McCains' suit jacket...
84

sandy,

Land of the free, home of the brave 08/10/2008 22:14:49
#56 & 68 Sandi

Well done!
85

doublescotch,

U.S.A. 08/10/2008 22:25:09
#81 Bill Clinton had the chance to get Bin Laden and refused. So if there is going to be a "Blame Game start at the begining.
86

georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 08/10/2008 22:41:29
Why has no one else worn a bulletproof vest, then, during the debates? #84, I think it's not a vest but a padded suit to make the man look bigger, thus of more substance....done all the time in the animal/insect world, actually, and quite successful if one's adversary has an equally small brain.

Does he also have a bulletproof vest on his forearms? Better than the ones they issue to our fellers in Iraq, then....
87

georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 08/10/2008 22:44:57
#86 If Bill Clinton had tried to go after Bin Laden in the days he was president, no one would have let him do it. Bin Laden was not a known threat in those days, was he? And if he was, how come now, many years later, he is still not in our custody or shot dead???? Eight years of George Bush, and not a single Bin Laden has been captured. Methinks he is in Boston, sipping tea with his mother, or perhaps in the Caribbean, supping with Tony Bliar and Cherie.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

08/10/2008 22:50:52

From the quality of his rhetoric, McCain's padding is between his ears.
89

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 08/10/2008 23:16:15
69 Boy Wonder II,

Dude.

Me great red Apache warrior. Me eat wild natural shroom .

U Dudes drink synthetic fire water.

U have big problem
U never ride white stallion

GC
90

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 08/10/2008 23:23:52
68 Sandi,San Diego

Hey Dudess,


McCain is all washed up ......like driftwood on Blacks Beach near UCSD, La Jolla.

A naked geriatric , a has been, living in the evil world of Bush's watch.

evil gone on 20th. Jan 2009
geriatric gone on 4th. Nov, 2008

Chill out Dudess and relax

GC
91

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

08/10/2008 23:57:44
83 sandy

Troll
92

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

08/10/2008 23:58:27
31 Cutty Sark

Troll
93

sandy,

Land of the free, home of the brave 09/10/2008 00:12:32
92
Nope!....I'm the original and not ashamed of my name.

94

sandy,

Land of the free, home of the brave 09/10/2008 00:16:33
87 georgia

Please forgive my brashness?...Wasn't aware i was in the presense of an insider with the absolute truth of it...
95

The FH Site is for Communists And Trolls,

09/10/2008 01:13:28
94 sandy

The oringinal troll that supports the FH site.
96

SCULLlON1,

Canada 09/10/2008 01:35:21
#86 doublescotch

Old Bill I think was offered OBL twice! And said no thank you.

 

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