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HBOS could end up 'poisoning' takeover partner Lloyds TSB



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Published Date: 17 December 2008
THE newly created Lloyds Banking Group may need to raise additional capital and could end up being "nationalised", a leading City analyst has warned.
Simon Pilkington, a banking analyst at JP Morgan Cazenove, is one of several City observers who are beginning to express fears over the Lloyds takeover of HBOS, which will formally be constituted next month.

Pilkington and other analysts have been
studying HBOS's announcement on Friday of corporate impairments of £1.7 billion in the nine months to September, and the additional £1.6bn it admitted to in the following two months to end-November.

In a note to clients, Pilkington wrote that "the probability of nationalisation now feels uncomfortably high".

He added: "We are conscious that our estimates show a poor outcome and there is great uncertainty. Yet the speed and scale of deterioration at HBOS Corporate is remarkable."

Pilkington said that he believed now that Lloyds Banking Group "will be in loss in 2009 and 2010".

The warning came as another analysts focused in on HBOS's highly negative trading update on Friday, which coincided with a vote of its shareholders in favour of its takeover by Lloyds TSB to form Lloyds Banking Group.

Alex Potter, at Collins Stewart, said HBOS's corporate asset quality looked "very weak". He said the latest up-dates meant there would be delays in profitability for "standalone HBOS" assets within the new Group by "another year to 2010 at least".

Potter said: "You cannot rule out a round two of recapitalisation. It would not be exclusive to Lloyds Banking Group.

"But as far as 'nationalisation' goes, it has become touch and go. Is the government having over 50 per cent equivalent to a bank being nationalised?"

He pointed out that the taxpayers already has 59 per cent of Royal Bank of Scotland.

Potter added that a difficulty in working out a return to profitability at the HBOS businesses to be subsumed in Lloyds was that "it seems to be getting massively worse on a month by month basis".

Other banking analysts said the "shocking" trading update by the bank showed the vulnerability of its trading model in the current extraordinary conditions for the banking sector.

Asked if a further recapitalisation of Lloyds/HBOS was likely, Leigh Goodman at Fox-Pitt Kelton said: "Frankly you cannot rule it out, although it is not our expectation at this stage."

Goodman said the latest trading update from HBOS, while unnerving the stock market, showed that the bank needed a rescue takeover.

He added: "It's a bank built for a bull market. It does not work when property prices do not rise and liquidity is not plentiful. The management have got to take a share of the blame for this."

Fox-Pitt said it was easily conceivable that the Lloyds Banking Group could still be in the red "in the second half of 2009 and first half of 2010".





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  • Last Updated: 16 December 2008 8:38 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Halifax Bank of Scotland
 
1

Jimmy Twoshoes,

16/12/2008 22:48:16
Smells a bit like HBOS cleaning out the closet before the new guys come on board.

Typical accounting policy to deliver buoyant year 1 results in challenging times. What a success story, no matter how artificial its creation.

City analysts.... does anyone listen to them any more?
2

Fecker,

17/12/2008 10:39:30
Richard Branson is 100% correct, the economy is f&ck*d! Thank you greedy incompetent bankers, you have lined your pockets using smoke and mirrors to generate phantom profits to generate huge bonuses for yourselves.
3

Mistakes in the making,

17/12/2008 13:05:53
The Halifax (a Building Society) contaminated the Bank of Scotland(est:1695). Now HBOS and with their combined book of business will contaminate and destroy Lloyds Bank(est:1765). Building Societies have a lot of fixed illiquid assets supported by short term deposits. If Lloyds survives this,without losing control to the government, it will be a real feather in their cap.
4

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 17/12/2008 13:15:13
The damage was done when Halifax took control, greed and bonuses driving decisions.

How some of the senior managers have the audacity to stay on and keep taking huge salaries is staggering.
5

Mistakes in the making,

17/12/2008 13:49:11
James Crosby is now Deputy Chairman of the FSA. Bio reads, "In January 1999 he became Chief Executive of Halifax plc and in September 2001, following the merger with the Bank of Scotland, was appointed as HBOS's first Chief Executive. He stood down from this position in July 2006 and left the Group". How ironic that a regulator is now overseeing a firm that he once Directed!!
6

Phil1,

Edinburgh 17/12/2008 15:18:03
GrahamH,Edinburgh 17/12/2008 13:15:13 Halifax's fault eh why is that? are you perchance from the nasty party?

HBOS dragged low by nasty Halifax - Scottish Directors had to pay themselves millions in bonuses they didn't earn because Halifax the junior partner insisted on it. Nasty Scottish Directors gambled billions on odd American scams because they were told to by nasty Hailfax junior staff!!

Come on grow up and live in the real world - HBOS directors and senior staff were useless and not the vaunted great Scottish Entrepreneurs they and the nasty party claimed they were.

I think a crook is a crokk is a crook and certainly the harm they have done deserves punishment not bailouts. HBOS should have been allowed to fail it was bankrupt and may now even bring down Lloyds.

Well Alex S have't heard you blethering about the latest sacndal from HBOS and RBS " cat" or the true got your tongue I guess..
7

JenJen,

17/12/2008 17:48:04
Phil1 is correct. Clearly some people are anxious to believe that it was all the fault of Halifax. It just isn't true. Bank of Scotland Corporate is just as culpable as Halifax, if not more so.
8

barrow5,

glasgow 18/12/2008 01:58:34
The wicked Halifax has helped thousands of families including my OWN, to have a roof over their heads when the only alternative was spending years on council waiting lists. I wouldn't have qualified for the corporation house I was born in when my moher died.We had to hand in the keys after 53 years & didn't own a brick.Having gone thro' several redundancies in the eighties & nineties I had hoped this generation would never have to experince it.My heart goes out to them.
9

Norma,

Edinburgh 18/12/2008 11:28:12
“Since the average dealer now sits at a desk straight out of the Space Shuttle - and in many cases is relatively inexperienced & working underconsiderable pressure - mistakes are inevitable.In May last year, London’s FTSE 100 index dropped by more than 2%, after a trader typed £300m, instead of £30m, while selling a parcel of shares.In 1998, in the biggest incident of its kind ever, a Salomon Brothers trader mistakenly sold £850m-worth of French government bonds, when he carelessly leaned on his keyboard.And at the end of 2001, shares in Exodus, a bankrupt internet firm, jumped by 59,000% when a rogue trader accidentally bid $100 for its shares, at a time when its value was 17 cents.” http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-rogue-traders/
Does no one ever learn?

 

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