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SPL snubs Rangers' call-off request



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Published Date: 06 May 2008
THE Scottish Premier League is to explore options to help ease Rangers' congested fixture schedule despite rejecting a request from the Ibrox club to have Saturday's game against Dundee United postponed.
Walter Smith's side saw Celtic move further ahead in the title race at the weekend as Rangers were held to a goalless draw at Hibernian.

But, after reaching the Uefa Cup final last week, Rangers have asked for special dispensation with regard to a
crammed fixture list before the end of the SPL season, which is currently scheduled for Thursday, 22 May – two days before the Ibrox side play Queen of the South in the Scottish Cup final at Hampden.

The SPL turned down yesterday's request to postpone Saturday's match at Ibrox against Dundee United, but it is understood that the governing body for the top flight will continue to assess potential options to help the Glasgow side.

A spokesman for the SPL said: "We have received a request (from Rangers]. At the moment, the request has not been acceded to.

"We put in place two schedules on the basis of Rangers reaching, or failing to reach, the Uefa Cup final. We are keen to have all SPL clubs finish at the same time, in order that no-one has an advantage. Postponing Saturday's game would have a knock-on effect. We would have to move all the top-six fixtures to end the season with all teams playing at the same time."

Smith criticised a perceived lack of support for his team with regard to fixtures after the 0-0 draw at Easter Road on Sunday. Coupled with Celtic's win at Motherwell on Saturday, Rangers have seen a strong position at the SPL summit turned into a seven-point deficit behind the Parkhead club, although the Ibrox side have three games in hand.

It is those games in hand, however, which have produced the current furore. The tragic death of Phil O'Donnell while playing for Motherwell in December plus the alarming disrepair of the Fir Park pitch saw a backlog created for Rangers, although two Scottish Cup replays and the postponement of other matches has not helped the team's cause.

Rangers' opponents in the Uefa Cup final, Zenit St Petersburg have been excused league duties ahead of the final in Manchester a week tomorrow by the Russian Football Federation. However, the season in Russia is only weeks old, meaning the option to rearrange matches has acceptable consequences.

Choices for the SPL seem limited,with an extension beyond the Scottish Cup final appearing to be the only possible conclusion. A further statement is expected from the SPL today.

Believe it or not, Celtic can win the league this weekend

Glenn Gibbons
Chief football writer


THE edginess that seems to have afflicted Rangers in recent weeks is unlikely to be stilled by the realisation that Celtic could win the Clydesdale Bank Premier League championship as early as Sunday. It is a possibility that has arisen almost unnoticed, like a mugger padding towards a victim from behind.

A widespread pre-occupation with the Ibrox team's matches in hand, together with an assumption that they would win them, has tended to lend a sense of artificiality to the lead their fiercest rivals have established, even the Parkhead side's successive victories in the last two Old Firm matches apparently insufficient to dispel the impression of Rangers as notional champions-elect.

The scoreless draw with Hibernian at Easter Road on Sunday, however, has clearly brought awareness of the closeness of the duel for the title; Celtic's seven-point advantage suddenly appearing much more formidable than before.

It is, indeed, so useful that, if Walter Smith's team lose both their matches this week – at home to Motherwell tomorrow night and Dundee United on Saturday – and Celtic beat Hibs on Sunday, the latter will retain their title, ten points ahead with Rangers having just three fixtures remaining.

While this outcome looks improbable – and anyone betting on it will be offered handsomely rewarding odds – it is self-evidently not impossible.

Rangers' progress in the cup competitions at home and in Europe has almost certainly deflected attention from domestic form that has been both unimpressive and damaging. Only two points have been garnered from their last four league matches, which include the losses to Celtic and draws with Dundee United and Hibs.

In fact, they have won only two of their most recent ten games – against Sporting in Lisbon in the Uefa Cup and Partick Thistle at Firhill in the Scottish Cup. Their failures have included the draws with United in the CIS Insurance Cup final, St Johnstone in the Scottish Cup semi-final and Fiorentina in the European semi-final, all settled in their favour in penalty shoot-outs.

In those ten matches, too, they have scored just 11 goals, in four of them failing to find the net. It is a run that is reminiscent of Celtic's difficulties through March and the first week in April, when the Parkhead side seemed to be caught in a downward spiral, seemingly helpless in the matter of avoiding damage even in matches in which they were largely dominant.

During that desperate period, Gordon Strachan's team achieved one victory from seven outings – by 3-0 over Gretna at Almondvale – and failed to score in five of them. These included the defeats by Barcelona, Aberdeen, Rangers and Motherwell and a 0-0 draw with Dundee United that brought their elimination from the Champions league and the Scottish Cup and the loss of eight league points.

The reversal of fortunes began with the 4-1 victory over Motherwell at Fir Park, since when they have completed a five-timer that includes the double over Rangers, a home win against Aberdeen, and another at Motherwell last Saturday. The run has also yielded 12 goals, with five conceded, helping the Parkhead side to extend their goals difference superiority over Rangers to eight.

Smith will be more cognisant than anyone of the need to pull out of the dive, but, in these circumstances, the controls are not always immediately responsive. And the manager's attack on the SPL fixtures planners in the wake of the Easter Road match hints at the onset of a certain anxiety.

Smith's renowned sangfroid should not be mistaken for insensitivity. He will surely be feeling that his team have not been accorded the credit they deserve for their efforts this season, his understandable pique prompted by regular criticism of the defensive, generally uninspiring, style they have adopted.

But, as with the vast majority of managerial outbursts, Smith's is flawed by self-interest. It is, for example, quite irrelevant to compare the League's sanctioning of Celtic's bringing forward their match with Dundee to allow them more time to prepare for the 2003 Uefa Cup final.

Five years ago, there was a blank midweek, Dundee were amenable to the switch and it is much easier to bring a fixture forward at the end of a season than it is to put one back. As for the SPL's four-day extension to the present campaign, the chairman, Lex Gold, and the secretary, Iain Blair – the men responsible for the re-arrangement – insisted that they had to consider their other members, to save those clubs from having to wait 17 days between their penultimate and their final outings.

Despite the popular perception of a European final as a fillip for the entire country, executives of leagues and national associations will invariably make their own flagship tournament their priority, because that is their primary remit.

Rangers' schedule over the next 16 days – five league matches and two cup finals – is unquestionably more demanding than any club would consider ideal, but it is the consequence of a conspiracy of circumstances, rather than a plot to ensure their downfall.

RANGERS' LAST TEN GAMES

• Hibernian 0, Rangers 0
Premier League, 4 May

• Fiorentina 0, Rangers 0
(Rangers win 4-2 on pens)
Uefa Cup semi-final, 1 May

• Celtic 3, Rangers 2
Premier League, 27 April

• Rangers 0, Fiorentina 0
Uefa Cup semi-final, 24 April

• St Johnstone 1, Rangers 1
(Rangers win 4-3 on pens)
Scottish Cup semi-final, 20 April

• Celtic 2, Rangers 1
Premier League, 16 April

• Partick 0, Rangers 2
Scottish Cup quarter-final, 13 April

• Sporting 0, Rangers 2
Uefa Cup quarter-final, 10 April

• Dundee Utd 3, Rangers 3
Premier League, 6 April

• Rangers 0, Sporting 0
Uefa Cup quarter-final, 3 April

Played 10, won 2, drawn 6, lost 2



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  • Last Updated: 06 May 2008 5:42 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Rangers FC , Celtic FC
 
1

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 11:58:11
Seems we are about to get a cave in from the SPL according to todays DR Headline.

Surely not, Can Murray and Bain have that much influence, maybe they have pictures of Lex Gold in a compromising position involving Max Mosely and his friends.
2

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 12:07:18
Just seen on the SPL site that they have confirmed the original 22/5/08 as the final league game. Maybe the photos were a bluff!!
3

Nice 1 Simmy,

06/05/2008 12:17:00
Justice

Looking forward to humping the RAGS at Pittodrie on the 22nd.

'Mon the Zenith

Stand Free

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

4

Nice 1 Simmy,

06/05/2008 12:17:09
Justice

Looking forward to humping the RAGS at Pittodrie on the 22nd.

'Mon the Zenith

Stand Free

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

5

Ian.M,

North Ayrshire 06/05/2008 12:18:07
There is one vital point being missed in this whole argument, and I'm not convinced it's just an oversight.

If Celtic are made to extend their season any further, then they would have four key players unavailable to play, as they will be on Euro 2008 or World Cup Qualifier duty. This would indeed 'damage the integrity' of the SPL as it would seriously disadvantage Celtic and benefit Rangers. Furthermore, Celtic (would under FIFA rules) be entitled to refuse to play - where would that leave things? Rangers can't have it both ways. The season extension can only be to assist them in Europe and must not help them win the league. People need to stop being selective in their arguments.
6

stavanger,

here 06/05/2008 12:18:11
Wattie has a damm cheek, hopefully slick dick will put them to the sword.
7

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

06/05/2008 12:21:20
The SPL and SFA are between a rock and a hard place.

Change the schedule and they are condemned by Celtic fans as conspiring to give Rangers the title.

Keep the schedule as it is and they are condemned by Rangers fans as conspiring to give Celtic the title.
8

dangleberries,

hangin' aboot 06/05/2008 12:26:42
#5 gottae agree wi ye there.

Whatever happens when Celtic win the league/they fail to lift the UEFA cup, the Gers will be using the 22/5 cut-off date as an excuse.
But then they can always look back on their cup victory over St. Johnstone and the potential SC final victory over Q.O.S as making this an unforgettable season for them.
scraps off the table or what?
9

Ian.M,

North Ayrshire 06/05/2008 12:28:03
7# If you look at my post (no.5), I have presented a scenario where the SPL would indeed be handing Rangers a huge advantage in the League - not to mention risking total chaos if Celtic refuse to play. The SPL cannot risk unfairness in their own competition just to help Rangers in one that does not come under their control.

10

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 06/05/2008 12:30:47
There has been a lot of talk that the failure to alter the fixtures somehow diminishes the standing of the SPL. Especially when compared to the Russian position. The opposite is true though, none of the nmajor leagues would consider such a move just as none would consider postponing matches to help their national team. This constant re-arranging makes us look totally mickey mouse, as if the league doesn't really matter as Celtic and Rangers are always going to fill the top 2 places.

I do see Rangers point here but ultimately they could put out a bunch of kids for the Utd. match but won't cause they quite rightly want to win both. They therefore want to move the fixtures so that they have a better chance of doing so, just as Celtic did on their run to Seville. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. You cannot artificially manipulate the fixtures to help one side. If moving the match increases the team's likelihood of winning it autoamatically becomes unsupportable regardless of what the stated intention is. I know that much of the congestion is just down to bad luck with the weather but what Rangers propose is the wrong way to solve this.

Hopefully we have learned a lesson and we'll have no more of this unnecessary interfering in the future. A move away from playing in January and February would be an even better way of helping our clubs longer-term but I doubt that we are ready for such a major change.
11

Lion-O "Lord Of The ThunderCats,

06/05/2008 12:32:15
Rangers have 75 players.

Why do any games need to be rearranged?
12

Rouleur,

On ma bike 06/05/2008 12:33:43
2003...Celtic had a free weekend before the final

2008...Rangers do not have a free weekend before the final

SPL.....what a joke
13

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 12:37:54
it was only a few seasons ago that we had a winter shutdown. The players went on holiday for 10 -14 days followed by another 10 or so days "warm weather "training. It was hailed as a major success but has never been replicated. Why??
14

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 12:39:45
12 Selective understanding of the situation. Celtic brought forward a game to the Thursday, feel free to do so this week. I'm sure utd will be more than willing to accomodate you.
15

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06/05/2008 12:41:53
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16

Dave58,

Outside lookin in 06/05/2008 12:43:44
From an objective perspective (no interest in either Rangers or Celtic) I cant help but think the SPL's intransigence typifies our parochialism.
Rangers winning the UEFA Cup will do more for Scottish Football in terms of image, representation etc. than the "wee diddy" SPL ever will.

Common sense dictates we look objectively at the situation and postpone Rangers' game on Saturday until after the final. One Game, only one team affected, done. You can argue that Rangers will then know exactly what they have to do to win the SPL. Offer Celtic the opportunity to delay their game until the same day.

If the Russian League can do it (OK it is mid season) why cant the SPL?

Sometimes I despair
17

Rouleur,

On my bike 06/05/2008 12:45:04
14....simple fact which you cannot deny

Celtic had a free weekend...Rangers do not

What a stitch up by the SPL.
18

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 12:46:35
15 We feel your pain. Such drivel from a supporter of a team with a well documented sectarian policy and a group of supporters currently displaying racist banners about a current celtic player.

Get on with it and play the games, the best team will win the league at the end of the season, no excuses required
19

The best-Rangers,

06/05/2008 12:47:15
#16 The argument that teams will know 'exactly what they have to do' cuts no ice as far as I'm concerned. Rangers know what they have to do now, win every game.

20

Rouleur,

On ma bike 06/05/2008 12:47:25
16..Dave, good points and a good idea. However there is as much chance of the SPL and Political FC buying into that one as my dug learning to surf.
21

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 12:48:07
17 A fact made possible by bringing the game FORWARD by 48 hours As I said why not bring your forward at least 24 hours.
22

Rouleur,

On ma bike 06/05/2008 12:48:24
18...what banner? Nakamura ate my dug? Why is that racist?
23

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 06/05/2008 12:49:59
#15

Simple question. Does extending the league past the 22nd of May increase Rangers chances of winning each match and therefore the league? Never mind the valid points put across by #5. You can't look at this only from the persepctive of the impact the SPL match has on the UEFA Cup, the vice versa effect has to be considered. I know its not fair but either is Celtic and Rangers snaring all the fans in Scotland. You just have to deal with these things.

I must congratualte you on your insightfulness of being able to see through the entirely reasonable arguements put forward here and see the RC conspiracy behind it all.
24

Rouleur,

On ma bike 06/05/2008 12:51:36
21...so do you not want to see Scottish clubs succeed in Europe? Or does your support only stretch to Irish club teams?

As for the free weekend, Celtic had one, we don't.

SPL...what a joke
25

Horserider,

Belgium 06/05/2008 12:51:41
Absolute nonsense my sash garmented friends. The Russian season began in March so it is hardly a similar situation.

You are looking for special treatment for your creaking team - although why anyone would want to have to watch Scotland's Shame playing anti-football for another week is beyond me.
26

Busymale,

06/05/2008 12:53:32
Rangers have now tried every trick in the book and now they have to win trophies using the pool of players they said was sufficient to cope on all fronts.

Extending the fixture list would have helped them win not only the UEFA Cup (which is fair enough) but would have meant they have an unfair advantage over the others in the League and Cup Final! Good for Scottish football was their claim - rubbish! Good for Glasgow Rangers and no-one else.

Good to hear the SPL have seen through their ploy and not caved in! Message to Rangers - shut up and deal with it!
27

Jealousy,jealousy,

06/05/2008 12:54:25
What a mess. No matter the outcome one side will feel aggreived and will have valid reasons for doing so.

On to the SPL. I think now if Rangers are to win the title they will require Celtc to drop more points. Despite a run earlier in the season of 14 games 14 wins i think it is a tall order for Rangers to gain maximum points from their remaining games, far from impossible though. The return of McCulloch and Adam to the squad is a bonus however.

Most bears would have bitten your hand at the start of the season for the current scenario but to lose the league now would be a bitter pill to swallow such has the team raised expectations. Still, its the nature of the beast and no matter what happens the memory of reaching a Euro final will live long.

Mon The Gers.
28

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 12:56:10
16 Why should other clubs accomodate a team that they are trying to beat in a competition ?

If Celtics game was postponed to later it would leave us nearly 3 weeks without a game, that has an effect on march sharpness as much as playing games every 3 days. Add into the mix that a whole host of players are being called up to their international squads after the 22nd, that will also put Celtic at a disadvantage. As it is Queen of the South will be without a competitive fixture for some time before the SC Final and to put that back as was suggested then they would be nearly 5 weeks without a game.

Where is the fairness in that.
29

Rouleur,

On ma bike 06/05/2008 12:57:21
21....did Celtic have a game on the prior wednesday when they brought their game forward by 48 hrs?
30

The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 12:58:35
#18 Tuatha, if it was a case of the best team winning the league, you know, i know and every fan on this board knows that would have been Rangers had the fixture congestion occured.

The only reason Celtic are still in this race is because of the fixture backlog - and you know it.

The fact that Celtic got out of playing us at New Year for well documented reasons was your first major let off. Then the scheduling of both Parkhead OF games within 11 days of each other - with a UEFA cup semi-final in between was the second.

And now to add insult to injury, you won't agree to some preparation time for the UEFA cup final - which clearly benefits everyone in the whole league.

You then want us to conclude the season with 4 league games in 8 days in the interest of "sporting integrity".

Personally, i'm all for playing the fixtures as they stand - victory will be all the sweeter then and Celtic would NEVER recover from this shameful, bitter lack of sporting integrity.
31

Boyne Bhoy,

06/05/2008 12:59:02
As a shareholder in CFC I am willing to intercede with our Directors requesting they offer to extend the season on the understanding they request UEFA delay the European Championships accordingly so CFC are not disadvantaged by losing players before the eand of the season.

With regards to the SC Final-are the Teddies running scared of QoS and hoping for them to be as ring rusty as possible-something like 5 weeks between matches if Final re-scheduled?
32

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 13:00:40
22 If I have to explain that to you there is really no hope.

It is a slur on an Asian player, but as usual never let the facts get in the way. Japanese people do not eat dogs, the only country in the Asian area that have that repiutation are Korean.

The banner was an attack on their culture whether you like it or not.
33

Rouleur,

On ma bike 06/05/2008 13:01:43
16...aha well atleast you are being honest...not using the integrity line your chairman was using. You just want an unfair advantage that will allow Celtic to win the league.

Thank you for being honest...shame your Chairman can't be.
34

Flip Hamburglar,

NI 06/05/2008 13:02:55
From memory the Celtic game was brought forward with the agreement of Dundee, this was not imposed by the SPL. If Dundee had not agreed then the match would have been played on the Saturday. They could play the Utd. match any time before the 22nd (the new end of the season) with Utds. agreement but there is no better date that would not reduce their chances of winning it so they've thrown it all back to the SPL to extend the season.

Is this scenario fair on Rangers? No not really, but any correction adversely affects someone else so they'll just have to get on with it.
35

scottish turk,

06/05/2008 13:03:12
most people here in Belfast regard the spl as a mickey mouse league, todays decision proves it once and for all. The rest of Europe is laughing at us.
36

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 06/05/2008 13:04:19
laughing at the attempts by gordon smith to help his team but listening to the almost hysterical rantings of the likes of darly king and reading derek johnstones greetin' in the evening times today leads to a genuine question.. what would the solution be ? everyone (well rangers fans) are complaining..but noone has offered a fair outcome...moaning is easy.
and smith has complained about getting no help..well they postponed the gretna game and have put the league back 4 days..he can say they have not given him enough help..but to say rangers have had no help is simply untrue..
37

Boyne Bhoy,

06/05/2008 13:04:29
THTMAT: The only reason that CFC are still in the League is because we have earned the number of points we have.

The hysterical reaction to incorrect decisions on corners, 'soft' free kicks etc etc-Paranoia FC really is in the southside of Glasgow.

You could look to Ragers dodgy form of the last month or so-fixture congestion caused by replays is the fault of no-one but the payers & management of the club involved. No Excuses.
38

The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 13:05:38
#32 Tuatha, don't talk keich man! Where exactly did you read that only the Korean's eat dog?

Some of the arguments on these boards never cease to surpise me!
39

Rouleur,

On ma bike 06/05/2008 13:06:50
32...Freddie Starr ate my hamster...is that racist?

Who knows Naka maybe partial to a wee bit of dug. The banner was in tasteless humour for some but not racist.

I am Jewish, if you said Rouleur ate ma pig..would that be racist?

Or if I was Hindu, Rouleur ate my burger? Is that racist?

No it isn't, sadly this is another comment that Political FC have deemed racist.

Maybe if we said Naka ate my semtex....
40

Exasperated,

Guildford 06/05/2008 13:07:24
Why don't the tic fans, who have no interest in Scotland or Scottish football, just go with their club to Ireland and live happily ever after? They wave Irish flags and have no interest in the good of Scottish football. Oh wait a minute, just remembered they're desperate to move to England for the money, maybe not such great lovers of Ireland after all - what a bunch of deluded bigots. At least the gers (& I'm not a gers supporter) have stated they'll stay in Scotland.
41

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 13:09:07
30 In a season of 38 games the team that scores the most points is the best team, the nature of the tournament decrees that. The fixture congestion is not down to 1 game against Celtic being postponed, despite it being the first thing all of the rangers fans point to. You were offered the chance to play a couple of games back in December when you had a couple of free midweeks and you turned down the opportunity, bad decision in hindsight. You called off a game before the Champions League match against Lyon, another bad mistake in hindsight. You also needed replays to beat Hibs and Partick Thistle, hardly anyone else's fault, (well apart from the Hibs and partick players).

So your excuses cut no ice I'm afraid. We all knew the fixture dates before the start of the season and they should have been fulfilled. The current extension, in my opinion was wrong let alone extending it further.

Enjoy your exciting season, if you win the lot then you deserve it. If you don't then like us in 2003 you will have had a bl**dy good time at the UEFA final and it will live long in the memory win or lose.
42

The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 13:13:21
#37 Where exactly is this dodgy form you talk of? OF games apart and before this weekend, the only time we "dropped" points was drawing 3-3 with Utd, which actually was a 1 point gain given that Celtic LOST at home to Motherwell.

If you look at recent results, won 2, drawn 6 and lost 2 in last 10. 2 away defeats at the tatty dome and 3 draws in europe hardly constitutes dodgy form. Quite the opposite as we're now in the UEFA cup final!

I haven't said anything about the dodgy corners or freekicks you mention (although thanks for acknowledging them).

I may however have commented on blatantly offside (or onside in Aberdeen's case) goals and dodgy penalties (like mcdonald's outside the box or caldwell's 2 seperate handballs). But it was merely to point out the good fortune of Celtic in recent weeks, rather than to claim a conspiracy is at work.

Like i say, let's play the fixtures as they stand remember this year forever more...as the proudest in Rangers' history and most shameful in Celtic's.
43

Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:13:21
4
Is that the Zenith data systems ya spud !
44

Jealousy,jealousy,

06/05/2008 13:14:07
#37 Boyne

The fact is that there fans of both clubs who begin to harp on about conspiracys when the other mob get a run of favourable decisions. To me Celtcs good fortune refereeing wise certainly doesnt point to an agenda against Rangers. However it certainly does dispel the ridiculous notion that many tims have held for years and years of refs favouring the Gers.
For gods sake think back to the reaction of the parkheid lot when DU were denied in the SC final.
45

Jealousy,jealousy,

06/05/2008 13:14:20
#37 Boyne

The fact is that there fans of both clubs who begin to harp on about conspiracys when the other mob get a run of favourable decisions. To me Celtcs good fortune refereeing wise certainly doesnt point to an agenda against Rangers. However it certainly does dispel the ridiculous notion that many tims have held for years and years of refs favouring the Gers.
For gods sake think back to the reaction of the parkheid lot when DU were denied in the SC final.
46

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

06/05/2008 13:15:27
"14 Tuatha De Dannan,06/05/2008 12:39:45
12 Selective understanding of the situation. Celtic brought forward a game to the Thursday, feel free to do so this week. I'm sure utd will be more than willing to accomodate you."

Not quite true - it was Celtic and Dundee who both agreed to bring the game forward. In fact if I remember rightly it was Dundee who made the offer not Celtic asking for the game to be moved.
47

Jealousy,jealousy,

06/05/2008 13:17:01
#41 TDD

A fair post.
48

Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 13:18:28
46 As I said I am sure your opponents this weekend would gladly bring the game forward.
49

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 13:18:50
#30 - The Celtic - Rangers game at Parkhead was originally rescheduled for January 23rd. It was then postponed because Rangers pitch was flooded and the cup tie with Stirling took precedence. It was Rangers fault that game was not played when it was supposed to be.

Celtic would have much preferred it was played earlier, rather than the final situation when there were two games at Ibrox before one at Parkhead.
50

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

06/05/2008 13:19:16
#45 Fans of non-Old Firm teams are somewhat non-plussed when they hear the conspiracy theories.

In my experience both teams tend to get more than their fair share of decisions comapared to teams outwith the Old Firm.

51

Jealousy,jealousy,

06/05/2008 13:19:40
#48 TDD

To when exactly? We have a game on wednesday.
52

Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:19:57
These muppets that run Scottish football are finally being shamed into doing the right thing and helping the Scottish club in their quest for Euro glory ! Shame it has taken so long ! The selfish Celtic minded cannot see past themselves and are being shown up for what they are ! Bitter ..... must win at all costs .... bad sports !
53

The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 13:21:52
#49 Sorry, you talking about Rangers and Celtic from Glasgow, planet earth or someone else? Who are you trying to kid that Celtic weren't running scared of Rangers in January?

**NEWS just in - appeal denied, no further change to fixtures. I'm glad personally - time to get back to football.
54

Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:22:34
Too little too late from David Murray. The mistake Ranger made is in Martin Bain, conducting his lobbying and discussions in private.

If Rangers had played the entire scenrio out in the media glare ( as Big Blue Chip does so expertly) then things would have been different.

The integrity of our game here is in tatters, and Scotlands parochial wee "cooncil mentality" administrators are the laughing stock of Europe.

Should Rangers win the league, then I would hope Barry Shakes hands with the opposition, and leads the team off the park.

Embarrass these clowns in front of the world's media and embarrass their sponsors.


55

Horserider,

06/05/2008 13:22:43
Why is everyone assuming this is a Rangers v Celtic thing? I don't know anyone who wants Rangers to get their way. Why? Because they have spent their entire history draining away the talent from small Scottish clubs and are quite happy to see that continue. As for their manager's behaviour during the Scotland job, well the less said about that the better.
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Horserider,

06/05/2008 13:22:50
Why is everyone assuming this is a Rangers v Celtic thing? I don't know anyone who wants Rangers to get their way. Why? Because they have spent their entire history draining away the talent from small Scottish clubs and are quite happy to see that continue. As for their manager's behaviour during the Scotland job, well the less said about that the better.
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yaryar,

US 06/05/2008 13:23:02
An American football coach (Chuck Knox) always used to say, "You have to play the hand your are dealt". Get on with it!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

06/05/2008 13:23:17
"They'd rather support a Russian team that wont sign black players because of their racist fans than back a British team."

Utter tosh - it's about a rivalry - nothing else.

It is no different to me, a Dundee fan, who supported Gothenburg when they played United in the UEFA Cup final.

It would be like expecting the entire Tartan Army to support England if they reached (god forbid) a World Cup final - it's not going to happen.

In any case, by your argument, I take it you were whole-heartedly behind Celtic when they played in Seville?
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Seoras67,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 13:23:50
Good to see the Tabloids showing their usual pro Rangers colours. They are aptly named the laptop loyal. Rangers should stop whingeing and get on with it. They have a big enough squad, what's the problem. Man Utd beat Newcastle in the FA Cup Final on the Saturday then beat Bayern Munich in the European Cup Final on the Wednesday. Wasn't a problem for them. Then again, real big teams view lots of games as an indicator of success. It's the price you pay.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

06/05/2008 13:24:35
"#48 Tuatha De Dannan,06/05/2008 13:18:28
46 As I said I am sure your opponents this weekend would gladly bring the game forward."

Your?

I'm not a Rangers but a Dundee fan.
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Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:26:24
59
Name some of your imaginary laptop loyal ! Take your time !
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Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:26:36
59
Name some of your imaginary laptop loyal ! Take your time !
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Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:26:55
59
Name some of your imaginary laptop loyal ! Take your time !
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Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:27:07
59
Name some of your imaginary laptop loyal ! Take your time !
65

Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:28:04
Sorry about the multiple post ! It appears tae be a blip in the Scotsman thread !
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Jealousy,jealousy,

06/05/2008 13:28:13
#52 Magnet

To be fair mate if the shoe was on the other foot would we want Celtc to be granted any help. I know i wouldnt. Its football rivalry, we want to see the other mob fail.

Was i impressed when Celtc made the UEFA cup final? Yes.

Did i want them to win the final for the good of Scottish football? No chance!
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Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:28:17
Magnet,

There are none. BBC ( Big Blue Chip) has them all in his hipper.
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Jealousy,jealousy,

06/05/2008 13:28:23
#52 Magnet

To be fair mate if the shoe was on the other foot would we want Celtc to be granted any help. I know i wouldnt. Its football rivalry, we want to see the other mob fail.

Was i impressed when Celtc made the UEFA cup final? Yes.

Did i want them to win the final for the good of Scottish football? No chance!
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invictager,

06/05/2008 13:28:27
#54
Shake hands with the opposition - are you having a laugh. Have you read post 3 today.
When we win ( and hopefully stop Aberdeen qualifying) just walk straight off the park.

Lets stop the moaning and get on with it. We dont need help.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 13:28:41
51 It was a"tounge in cheek" comment, though with a bit of thought perhaps playing on Tuesday and friday may have been more acceptable, instead of pinning hopes on a further extension.

42 you can make some good arguments for both sides, but I am afraid your last sentence lets you down, If Rangers win or lose the three competitions then you are right it is an historical season considering where you were last season, however your comment regarding Celtic does you no credit. Celtic have done nothing to be shamed of this season. No doubt you will point to the new years fixture, but I have said all along that should never have been an issue as the whole league programme should have been cancelled that weekend, the shame is on the SPL for not doing so and even worse for forcing Dundee Utd to play.
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Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:29:37
#66

JJ they have had enough help from Brines, Tom Murphy and the Steve Conroy over the past few weeks. Time for Rangers to get a slice of luck.
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Magnet,

06/05/2008 13:32:32
68
We may not have liked it and neither do they but that is why we have a governing body. They are supposed tae be in charge not us or nowadays Celtic. Nothing seems tae happen without their say so ! Sign of the times !
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Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:33:43
TDD "No doubt you will point to the new years fixture, but I have said all along that should never have been an issue as the whole league programme should have been cancelled.."

But it wasn't, and you gained a significant advantage from that. Did CFC lobby for the whole card to be postponed? I doubt it.

AS I said a few days ago, Blue Chip cynically exploited a tragic situation to benefit CFC. I therfeore contend Celtic do indeed have something to be ashamed off. I doubt the individual concerned cares though.
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invictager,

Kent 06/05/2008 13:35:12
#70
Sorry I disagree. I admired O'Donnell greatly, and said at the time the OF should have played and donated the gate money to his family, but what other major organisation shuts down when an ex employee dies.

However what happened is in the past and Rangers agreed at the time so they should just get on with it.
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Silence of the Yams,

06/05/2008 13:35:13
Murray should be brought in for bringing the game into disrepute!! Shut up Murray, idiot.
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Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:35:22
#69

Fair enough, but it might not go to the last game of the season (LOL)
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Nervous Bear,

In a Quadruple Wonerland! 06/05/2008 13:41:00
The SPL must support the famous Glasgow Rangers quest for the European Cup. They need to take two steps to do this:

Step 1: Cancel Saturday's game
Step 2: Extend the season until the 31st of May.
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Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:41:23
Regardless of your views on a league extension does anyone really think the people who administer the SPL are compotent, and capable of discharging their duties?

Off the top of my head they have presided over:

The Gretna debacle

Numerous stadia controversies involving promoted sides, resulting in relegation irregularities.. What a farce.

The top six split, which as been a disaster. Try explaining why a team in 7th place can have more points thean the team above to a Spaniard!!!

The complete failure to deal with the targic death of Phil O'Donnell and subsequent cancellations properly.

These guys couldn't run a WRVS tea shop.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 13:41:48
73 So the fact that the other fixtures were not postponed was Lawells fault, that is stretching it. Perhaps then you could also point fingers within your team, starting with Capatain Unbookable because he wanted the fixture postponed too, or does that no count. It was the only decent thing to do, and as I said the shame is on the SPL's decision.

Peter Lawell is employed to look after Celtic's business interests in a similar vein to that of Martin Bain (excuse the rhyme) He is very good at what he does and because it upsets you you castigate everything he does and claim it as conspiracies against rangers, Hey that's our territory is it not.

Rangers telling the media they did not ask or expect help from any organisation in scotland re the fixture back log, and then scream "blue" murder when they don't get what they actually wanted smacks of media manipulation, that has backfired. Any body who plays the media game knows that at some point it will come back and bite you on the back side. I'm sue Mr Lawell will be "got at" at some point but up till now he has had the measure of the journalists. The suntanned one is not up to the job that he has been given.
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Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 13:43:27
78 Totally Agree. see we can agree on something.
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Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:43:51
TDD

Disagree with most of what you say, but this is entirely accurate...
"The suntanned one is not up to the job that he has been given".
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Dark Horse,

06/05/2008 13:44:59
#78

Yup, and see #81...scary!
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The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 13:50:38
#58 I was actually. I was proud to wear my Rangers shirt and cheer on Celtic in the 2003 UEFA cup final at my local.

Although i have to admit, i got over the disappointment of defeat before i even finished my pint!
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Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 13:51:56
74 I was at the Arsenal West Ham game the Saturday after Phil O'Donnells death,I was hosting a group of businees colleagues all of whom were astounded that the SPL had let any games go on that weekend. The minutes silence in respect of POD was probably the best I have ever "not heard". There is a difference between someone dying and someone dying on the field of play.
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The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 13:55:48
#70 I got a rise didn't i?! haha

My point is that your chairman shamed your club with that sporting integrity speach. Celtic should have shut up and watched it unfold before saying anything - esp as they never once offered a solution.
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invictager,

Kent 06/05/2008 14:00:20
I have no problem with the call off but also believe that it is possible to show respect in the way it was shown at the game you attended.In a way it actually allows all football fans to show they care.
I have also said many times that no-one should be using that to attempt to extend the season.
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Johnnycam1967,

Greenock 06/05/2008 14:12:32
Why all the fuss,
Why do Rangers need to postpone the united game, surely they can prepare fully on Sunday for the UEFA final, it won't take that long to practice PENALTIES!!
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Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 14:19:16
Here is a nice conundrum that possibly explains the SPL decision. Had the league been extended to the 31st may Celtic would have been without 5 or 6 players due to international duties. FIFA rules then say that a club who lose 3 or more players can postpone fixtures until those players return from International duties.

That would have been end of June.
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Brother Walfrid,

06/05/2008 15:18:10
Sir Minty has come out with the rediculous sugestion that the spl is now the laughing stock of the world.

Have you ever heard such drivel ?

It is Rangers that are the laughing stock. They think that because they want an extension then it's the right thing to do.

Their arrogance knows no bounds. This has been a PR disaster for them. They look and sound shambolic, paranoid, delusional....they are a total embarressment.
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The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 15:19:05
#88 Don't think friendlies count Tuatha. The national teams can't extert pressure to attend friendlies, whereas if they don't attend a competative match, the national team can request that they do not play the next competative club match.
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The hun that married a tim,

06/05/2008 15:21:00
#90 Whereas the committee of sporting integrity are right behind Celtic and their cause? Who's on that committee again?

And your chairman's comments weren't perceived as bitter and twisted?
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Tuatha De Dannan,

06/05/2008 15:30:58
90 I think you will find that the deadline for attending the European Championship squads are enforceable. That will include Samaras JVOH and Boruc
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 06/05/2008 15:56:36
still no one able to answer what a fair solution would be..oh well just keep moaning its alot easier x
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Daillyman,<