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Barça plead for the real Henry to turn up



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Published Date: 29 April 2008
BARCELONA'S third competitive trip to these shores this season sees the celebrated side in need of the Thierry Henry British fans know so well, but who those in Catalonia are still desperate to see.
While Henry has struck in Champions League ties against Rangers and Celtic this season – and also scored on his Barca debut against Dundee United in a friendly match at Tannadice – he has failed to deliver too often for the Barcelona fans to be comp
letely convinced of his merits.

While the Henry of three years ago rightly commanded a reputation as one of the most fearsome strikers in the game the Frenchman's powers have diminished of late, something which provides tonight's already fascinating clash between Manchester United and Barcelona with yet more intrigue.

Can Henry use this return to a ground he knows so well to re-ignite his season, and add to United manager Sir Alex Ferguson's woes? The Scot is already counting the cost of a bruising encounter with Chelsea, where United's 2-1 defeat rendered less straightforward their bid to land a second successive title

Tonight's tie is evenly balanced after last week's 0-0 draw at the Nou Camp, with United hoping for good news on the injury front after striker Wayne Rooney and defender Nemanja Vidic missed training yesterday. "We think both could make it but I can't be dead certain about that," said Ferguson.

There are many in need of a fillip tonight, with Barcelona manager Frank Rijkaard also attempting to sustain his hopes of winning a trophy in what seems set to be his last season in charge at the Nou Camp. There are few doubts Ferguson won't be at Old Trafford next season, but he himself admitted yesterday that United's European record is not good enough for a club of such means, although they have won 11 successive Champions League games at home.

After Saturday's 2-1 defeat, United's season could be in danger of unravelling should they also fall to Barcelona tonight, with Henry aiming to re-emerge as a potent force.

The Frenchman started Barcelona's defeat against Deportivo La Coruna on Saturday, a result which erased the slim hope that the Catalan club might lift the Spanish title this season. Perhaps Henry's inclusion in what was essentially a Barcelona B team says it all about his first season in Spain after last summer's much-hyped £16 million move from Arsenal.

The forward has endured a miserable spell at the Nou Camp, and has not been helped by a chronic back problem. Though this first surfaced at Arsenal, fears about his health were set aside in the excitement his signing generated. One former Barcelona director recently said that whoever sanctioned the transfer "should be shot".

Yet Henry can blow away all the doubts with a starring performance against United in a stadium that knows all about his prowess. Henry scored eight times in 16 matches against United for Arsenal and, when he came on last week during the first leg, looked the most likely player to break the deadlock.

Together with his Barcelona team-mates, Henry is determined to achieve something in a season that, when contemplated on their pre-season camp in St Andrews in July, promised so much. He is also on a personal mission to re-assert himself at the club. Even 17-year-old Bojan Krkic has out-shone him this season, something bound to hurt such a proud and, some would say, arrogant man as Henry.

The French striker has not played at Old Trafford since April 2006, when he was a second-half substitute in a 2-0 defeat. He remains an admirer of English football and this week acknowledged the intensity of a trip to Old Trafford, even if, he maintained, it can't compare to Liverpool.

"It's not like Anfield, which has an incredible atmosphere, but there is some atmosphere," he said. "It will be an important moment for them after playing Chelsea on Saturday especially knowing that playing against us won't be easy for them. With Arsenal we played some incredible games there."

While last week's first-leg clash was anything but the extravaganza many had anticipated, tonight's match is bound to be a more attacking affair. United's performance last Wednesday was criticised for lacking ambition, and the side struggled to put two passes together.

Ferguson's team will be forced to set the tempo tonight while Rijkaard has insisted he will not permit his team to sit back. He revealed that in his four-year tenure at the Nou Camp he has only once asked his team to ignore their attacking instincts, and that was on another trip to England.

"I think that we have always maintained our style of play wherever we have been, with only one exception, which was when we went to play at Chelsea's ground," Rijkaard said, recalling the 1-0 defeat at Stamford Bridge in the group stage of the Champions League in October 2006.

"There we played much more defensively than we are used to because at that point Chelsea were a very well-armed, organised and hard-working team, who were very dangerous on the counter-attack. But against Manchester United, we have to play with aggression and by putting them under pressure."

Rijkaard is set to play with three up front tonight, and Henry's experience and familiarity with the setting is likely to count in his favour when it comes to handing out starting berths. Even given his difficulties this season it doesn't take much effort to imagine a scenario where he puts United to the sword – again.

PREVIOUS MEETINGS

European Cup Winners' Cup quarter-final, March 1984: Barcelona 2 Manchester Utd 3 (agg)

In the first leg at the Nou Camp, Barca were clearly superior, winning 2-0 courtesy of Graeme Hogg's own goal and Rojo's brilliant strike from distance. In the return, Bryan Robson's first-half diving header gave United the breakthrough. Robson got the second early in the second half and United completed a stunning turnaround as Frank Stapleton blasted home the winner.

European Cup Winners' Cup final, May 1991: Manchester Utd 2 Barcelona 1

After the ban on English clubs competing in Europe, this final in Rotterdam saw United end a 23-year European trophy drought. Johan Cruyff's great Barca side – who were to win their first European Cup at Wembley a year later – were without suspended goalkeeper Andoni Zubizarreta and midfielder Guillermo Amor and injured star striker Hristo Stoitchkov. Barca reject Mark Hughes struck twice in the second half before Ronald Koeman's goal.

Champions League group stage, November 1994: Barcelona 4 Manchester Utd 0

The first group game at Old Trafford ended in a 2-2 draw – Hughes and Lee Sharpe scoring for United, Romario and Jose Mari Bakero for Barca. In the return, the wonderful forward pairing of Stoitchkov and Romario were superb. Stoitchkov (two), Romario and Albert Ferrer all found a way past Gary Walsh.

Champions League group stage, September 1998: Manchester Utd 3 Barcelona 3

Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs scored within three minutes of each other early in the match before Brazilians Sonny Anderson and Giovanni (penalty) brought Barca level before the hour. David Beckham restored United's lead but the impressive Luis Enrique's 71st-minute penalty secured a point.

Champions League group stage, November 1998: Barcelona 3 Manchester Utd 3

Amazingly, the sides did it all over again. This time Barca led first, through Anderson, but the irresistible combination of Dwight Yorke (two) and Andy Cole saw Barca trail twice with Rivaldo levelling both times. United went on to win the tournament at the Nou Camp that season.

Champions League semi-final, April 2008: Barcelona 0 Manchester Utd 0

A match which promised to showcase two of the most exciting football sides failed to live up to the hype. Cristiano Ronaldo missed a third-minute penalty.





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imprimatur,

S.W.A.L.L.Y. SirWantawayAbsenteeLandLordYes !!! 29/04/2008 00:39:32
Who gives a monkeys curse !!

Wheres the page(s) to allow us to disect then celebrate Champions Celtics glorious victory on Sunday.

Dear Scotsman,

Scottish Football does deserve better,surely to goodness.
Doesn`t it.
2

calum,

29/04/2008 06:09:13
#1 - Well you know why there are no postings on Old Firm matters - but in case you don't it's because the nutters and bigots will be on with their hate and bile which has blighted Scottish football and still does. It seems there is no room for rational discussion and debate on matters concerning the OF.
3

ninenro,

29/04/2008 06:37:49
2
Agreed and 1 is one of the worst who very rarely talks football and only posts anti-Rangers mumbo jumbo !
Although when I look at other non OF threads there appears tae be more post removed for inappropriate content than the OF ones. Could this be east coast bias.
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29/04/2008 06:52:04
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29/04/2008 06:53:38
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Pat the Hat,

Baile atha Cliath 29/04/2008 08:28:36
Forza, why don't you get lost.

It's the likes of you that give bigots the excuse they need to post their staple diet of anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bile.

You are the only "Celtic fan" who posts sectarian dribble. Give it a rest.
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bring them on,

29/04/2008 10:11:37
Idee,

Too bad aboot the thread.

Just have to get on wi it.
10

Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 29/04/2008 10:26:50
Come on Barcelona - make Ferguson's face go even more purple. A trophyless season will see him on his way.
11

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 10:27:14
Morning all, shame on you Scotsman for the lack of comment boards. Yesterdays thread on the Celtic v Rangers match was actually pretty decent, well untill Forza and his bile was posted. Why can't you just remove these comments the way you do on the other team threads.

3 Pretty rich coming from you.
12

ninenro,

29/04/2008 10:31:22
11
Are you wanting salt & vinegar on those chips !!!
13

ninenro,

29/04/2008 10:36:38
I can see Man Utd winning 2-0 at home tonight as although Barca are great going forward they are not the best at the back and you have tae take Ronaldo tae score in nearly every game and he only missed out from the spot in the 1st game. This would have made a great final !
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29/04/2008 10:38:26
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Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 10:57:39
14 You are showing yourself up for the complete moron that you are, I happen to be a Celtic fan, a (PRACTISING) catholic and also a human being with a brain.

There are many views on these forums that I dont really agree with but I will always defend peoples right to hold whatever view they wish. I even defend Ninero's right to look at the world through his blue tinted specs (sad though it must be)

However you come on to these threads sout your rubbish and damage everyone's right to have a discussion about football on a football forum.

You are obviously a brave little cyber hard man who should probably be at school, but at a guess you will about 3 foot f@ck all high with the ugliest coupon (well maybe apart from Carlos).

Please f'ck off and let the adults have a conversation
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29/04/2008 11:26:07
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paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 11:27:03
Right lads....hands up time....which one of you Rangers boys is at the madam....and pretending to be Forza Cola at #14.....

C'mon now....yer attempt at pigeon English is fairly good....but seriously the last sentance gives it away!

A foreigner with pigeon English would have had the words in a different order!

So in summary....if you are a Rangers fan at the madam...then ffs grow up...

But....if you are indeed a foreign chap....possibly of Italian birth....then either feck off or cut out the crapiola....

Do that.....and we won't mention Mussolini!
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29/04/2008 11:29:45
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ninenro,

29/04/2008 11:29:55
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What`s Paulo Di Canio got tae do with anything !
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paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 11:36:47
#19

We believe you....

The shortest book ever written....

The book on Italian military tactics...

Surrender...

The end!
24

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 11:39:14
17 In reference to your "i italian cant be ugly" comment I refer you to Rino Gattuso. Another handsome Italian
25

paulmac,

Surrey 29/04/2008 11:44:00
Any how.....moving swiftly on....I had a look at the JVOH challenge again.....and it should have been a straight Red Card....

The only thing that might have had a bearing on it....was that the ref was to close to the incident to see the full intent and impact.....

Celtic's first goal was offside....
Weir's goal was luck....(aff the back of his heid)...
Broadfoot....should have walked....
Cauldwell and Dailly..handballs would have been harsh..

Other than that....nothing much to discuss!?
26

dangleberries,

hangin' aboot 29/04/2008 11:50:34
Typical baws frae Forza. Ignore it all o yeez.

Henry is not having a good season in Spain. Why? He's no that guid.... He farmed his trade against the carthorse defenders of the EPL and believed the hype. Hs stats against MUFC whilst he was at @rse-nil are poor 1 goal in 18 appearances according to spanish sources.

Barça aren't having a good season. R.Madrid will pick up the league title this week in Osasuna and as champions play Barça at the Bernebau. They need the CL final to save a lot of necks starting with the president Joan Laporta.

Celtic lost to last years CL Champs in the last 16. Lets hope we can say the same thing again this year.
27

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 11:53:20
25 Interesting view on th JVOH tackle, it was hard and possibly it may have merited a red, although the replays that I seen were when I was in the pub and just after the game when I was still jumping around full of the joys of life. I feel that he was watching the ball and not the player therefore it was an illegal challenge but not a deliberate attenpt to hurt the opposing player. I may be wrong in that view but I have not seen it since Sunday.

First goal was very tight and in the cold light of day it was offside.

On another topic the front page of the Dailr Record has a stroy about Aiden being involved in a fight outside a night club, with some alleged season ticket holder at parkhead saying he should have known better.

How ridiculous that players cannot go out and celebrate a win withoput being abused and without inane comments from idiots that should know better.
28

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 12:06:38
#27

Not a problem.....if you do get the chance to see it again...watch the intent with his foot when JVOH spins around...

To be fair to the ref..the speed at which it happened and the distance and angle he had....would not have allowed him to see the intent....

It would just have looked like a mis-timed challenge...

Regards Aiden.....it is sad...but it is the day and age we live in....

There should be locations players can go for a drink or a meal without the added baggage that sometimes follows.....

Why Aiden and a Celtic season gticket holder get into a disagreement....God knows?
29

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 12:12:07
28 The initial fight was with a group of rangers fans, but the comment was from the season ticket holder, Aiden was with Skippy but guess who got the abuse.

What a sad world we live in
30

ninenro,

29/04/2008 12:24:55
29
If you compare the two stories from the Day late Retard and The Sun they are opposite ! The so called laptop loyal at the Retard have a story by Paul O`Hare and he claims McGeady was attacked but then in The Sun report by David Goodwin it has a picture of a student with a black eye that claims he was attacked by McGeady and that he wants tae press charges so maybe you should reconsider your comments on the matter and ask yourself what are these pro footballers doing night clubbing in Glasgow city centre at 3 am hours after an OF game. Did I say pro footballers ... not very professional really !
31

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 12:29:09
#29

Believe me.....I have come across some awful stuff in my time when I was involved in Pro football in England...

There was an incident after a Football League Game....where I heard an elderly female pensioner tell a player she hoped his kids would suffer from cancer?

A female pensioner ffs?.....

The player in question wanted to kill her....

Unfortunatly football fans at most clubs have a small number of idiots who with a combination of drink....say and do stupid things......

However there is no excuse for those that say and do stupid things when they are sober!
32

ninenro,

29/04/2008 12:40:04
Just when he thought he had gotten away with it he gets reported ! Why dae you think Craig Thomson never had the Pope loving T-shirt wearer in his match report ? Maybe he forgot !
33

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 12:43:21
#32

Jeeesssus......are you still greetin....you've got it bad......

Have you arranged any councilling yet?
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Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 12:45:06
30 Haven't read the story in the Sun, and to tell you the truth I have skimmed the front page headlines from the retard.

Why should players not be able to go out till 3 am after a game. Mc Geady and Skippy are young men who are entitled to go to a pub or a club after a match. Thet have no midweek game and assuming neither are injured they would more than likely have had monday off.

I know you hate Mc Geady and therefore of course there is no way that the record version could possibly be right in your eyes but at the end of the day footballers have every right to go out and enjoy themselves without being hounded by morons. Many players step out of line and this should always be condemned but the night after a big match they are entitled to celebrate. When I was growing up in Glasgow I used to go to the same nightclubs as Charlie Nicholas. On many occasions I had seen him leave a club after only a couple of beers, and then see the headline in the retard about him being drunk. It sells papers and what you read should be taken with a pinch of salt even more so with the Sun. (Makes the retard look like a newspaper)
35

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 12:47:36
32 - Perhaps it was because it was an irrelevance to thompson's duties as a referee?

If he wasn't gesturing to anyone - regardless of it being in bad taste IMHO - it has no relevance to Thompson in his capacity as the referee.


But on a lighter note - you're totally gutted still. Quality!
36

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 12:51:37
Paulmac - I also think 'Forza' is one of our blue blooded ladyboy friends who seem to want the threads shut down.

I reckon she's Jo Jo or SENTRY ofvanguardgays.com fame.

It stinks of their odour!
37

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 12:53:35
2 - Are you referring to Hearts fans?
38

bring them on,

29/04/2008 12:55:03
Got some false ID, and a crackerjack photo taken on a camera we made oot of old balsa wood. No luck with the glider or radio, so far.

Just try to get a message through. Place is full of goons and some other blokes who need a shave, and a clean shirt.

Celtic won 3-2. Stop. Lucky, but got away with it. stop.

No need to change the bet on the SPL, Rangers to win. stop.

Special note. Shug is a spy. Repeat, spy. No mercy required. stop

signa; l fading,.,.. stop
39

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 12:55:19
Isn't it nice to see the "dignity" that they have accepted their defeats.

Did you know that against the top 6 sides Rangers have only one once away this season.

Under Pressure!!!
40

ninenro,

29/04/2008 12:56:56
35
Not gutted but angry at the amount of bad ref calls in the two OF games and all Celtic`s recent games for that matter. It stinks ! I grew up supporting Rangers in the successful 70`s and very poor early 80`s and can take getting beaten now and again but only if it`s fair and square. I hope that Cardiff win the FA Cup and are allowed tae represent England in Europe cos then we can leave this bent set up and head south.
41

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 13:01:17
#38...BTO

Is the wife no lettin you oot again?..Stop.

Where has she locked you up this time?....Stop.

Don't worry....we'll try and smuggle you in fags....booze and some Jazz mags later....Stop.
42

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 13:08:27
40 - So you are telling me that there is some sort of refereeing conspiracy in place that allows one team to gain an advantage?

Have you any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

Have you any idea how paranoid you appear to be?
43

bring them on,

29/04/2008 13:08:43
#41

Singapore then on to Malaysia. stop.

Rounding up the last of the POWS, bringing the boys home. stop Try for the fags but tricky with all the goons aboot. stop

One of the most badly injured asks if any chance of a Daily Record. stop

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ninenro,

29/04/2008 13:14:00
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Paranoia is when you imagine things that are not happening ! This is reality ! I make it at least 15 points from poor reffing decisions and it doesnt seem tae be evening itself out ! It`s one blatant "mistake" after another.
45

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 13:15:24
Jeeeesus does ninero do irony or what. A Rangers fan screaming conspiracy. Its enough to make you laugh and laugh. Maybe he's been spending too much time with his tim mates and their paranoia has now rubbed off.

Next they'll be telling you that all the refs are catholic and are wearing Artur Boruc t shirts under their black shirts.

Or maybe it will be JFK shot himself in the head.



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ninenro,

29/04/2008 13:17:16
45 read 44
47

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 13:19:16
43 - Does that make you 'King Rat'?
48

bring them on,

29/04/2008 13:19:39
TDD

I thought we let the wee T-shirt go.

No big deal.

The size was no quite right, though. Putting on the beef. So, the biggest abuse required is, get a bigger T-shirt chubby.

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Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 13:20:34
44 - paranoia is when you imagine things are not happening?

Like you're paranoid that your team aren't winning?
50

bring them on,

29/04/2008 13:21:51
Shug,

Always a man for the wee jokes.

Tell me this. Why do you have to have a Bloody Mary with gin.
51

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 13:26:03
Ninero when you have a little problem like this the first step to recovery is admitting it to yourself.

I'm sure we will all rally round an help. Just keep away from Jo Jo and the like they will only exacerbate your little problem
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Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 13:26:21
Not sure?

But here's a topical joke:

Why wasn't jesus born in Poland?

Because God couldnt find 3 wise men or a virgin!

Boom, Boom!
53

bring them on,

29/04/2008 13:27:26
Shug,

You are already on the Interpol list. Take is easy. stop
54

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 13:27:49
48 Your probably right sorry shouldn't mention t shirts, opps sorry
55

bring them on,

29/04/2008 13:28:10
TDD

Is he one of them?
56

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 13:29:49
55 Now I'm confused
57

ninenro,

29/04/2008 13:32:11
51
Ridicule all you like but it`s true. I would rather chuck it than get help fae the officials every week !
When was the last game Celtic won without the officials help ? I would`nt want tae admit it either !
Sad state of affairs !!
58

bring them on,

29/04/2008 13:34:19
A jerry spy. stop

Rangers fan dying and last wish is to have a Daily Record, and Oor Wullie album (any year) stop Can we do an air drop stop
59

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 13:35:28
57 - Then you should have chucked it a long time ago!

60

ninenro,

29/04/2008 13:40:06
59
The old ones are the best ! Maybe 50 years ago !
Roll on Thursday as we may get beat but I am hopeful that we can sneak it ! At least the ref with be impartial for a change !
61

NemesisofWilliam,

29/04/2008 13:43:44
I hope there is an impartial ref. This must surely lead to Rangers biggest thrashing of the season? Maybe not, with a ten man defence no team would get hammered. Here's hoping though!
62

bring them on,

29/04/2008 13:44:59
Nay Daily Record will do stop ALways says the same stop

Words of a dying man stop
63

ninenro,

29/04/2008 13:51:21
61
Even when the dice is fully loaded you lot can only just sneak it past us wae injury time goal by thug that should have already been off and penalty that even if it was a foul and not a dive was outside the box oh! and deflected goal and one off-side. You would need tae hope that someone will hammer us cos you sorry lot can`t !
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NemesisofWilliam,

29/04/2008 13:55:51
Reading your comments it's obvious your a worried man!

Broadfoot should have went for that assault. I've not sat and watched 1000 replays of the incident like some folk but it looks like it was just inside the box. THe ref has a half second to make a decision

One Nacho Novo shot in the second half? Did you get near the penalty box other than that?
65

ninenro,

29/04/2008 14:00:04
64
It was well outside the box and I don`t remember Alexander having a lot tae do second half so don`t kid yourself. Without the help of officials yo sorry can`t win a game !
66

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 14:00:16
63 - Your manager obviously thinks that we must be able to 'hammer you', otherwise why would he play with 10 defenders and a goalkeeper against us everytime?

He actually must be worried about a lot of teams 'hammering you'!

67

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 14:01:00
62 - please stop.stop!
68

ninenro,

29/04/2008 14:03:32
66
Fact is Shug you can`t win a game without help ! You cannae even beat Dolly fair and square and they are rank !
69

NemesisofWilliam,

29/04/2008 14:05:57
Fortune favouring Celtic? Davie Weir's header was pure luck and Dailly handled the ball in the box. Carrick was penalised for the exact same thing!

Take off your blinkers!
70

ninenro,

29/04/2008 14:11:51
70
Celtic had three handballs in the box and I am not talking about the small decisions only the important ones. Cheats one and all !! Well played Mr Murphy !!
71

Dark Horse,

29/04/2008 14:13:55
#69

I think the timing of the big decisions was crucial. The offside goal and JVOH assault are the key things the ref got wrong. I don't think Dailly's had ball altered the outcome...just perhaps the score.

#68 point is valid. In the 3 last games at CP, Celtic have benefited from 3 huge slices of luck. Fair enough, I always maintain its swings and roundabouts.

Rangers deserve a slice of luck on the run in.
72

NemesisofWilliam,

29/04/2008 14:15:31
There's no educating the ignorant!

All your comments are 100% correct and not biased in anyway! Fair play to you. Your team is a beacon of light in the dark underbelly of the SPL. Rangers have NEVER had a fortuitous decision! EVER!

73

Dark Horse,

29/04/2008 14:17:13
I wonder if Mr Murphy will attract the same media scrutiny as Andy Davis??


As I recall Peter Maguire/Martin on Radio Snyde commented and I paraphrase " the championship is tainted with the stench of cheating".

Has he mentioned the same about Iain Brines and Tom Murphy??


74

Dark Horse,

29/04/2008 14:20:14
NOW @ #72

Calm down dear. I don't subscribe to the paranoia theory....thats your bag old chap.

I subscribe to luck is generally dispersed evenly over the piece, hence why I think The Gers are due a wee slice of it over the next few games.

Simple really.
75

NemesisofWilliam,

29/04/2008 14:22:55
The gers have been riding their luck all season. It must have run out surely? 2 goals against Bremen, the CIS cup final? The St Johnstone penalty shoot out?
76

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 14:49:59
74 - You seem to have bee in your bunnet about 'timing'

Celtic had a perfectly good goal chopped off against Aberdeen that would have seen them go 2-0 up. Yet when Aberdeen get a perfectly good goal chalked off that should have seen them get a consolation strike in the dying seconds of the game, you seem unable to grasp that both teams have sit equally in the pans of the scales of injustice!

What you really want to say is that you arent intersted whatso ever in the perfectly good goal that Celtic got chalked off - you just wish to kid yourself on that there was only one perfectly good goal chalked off!
77

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 14:54:54
The BBC replay of McDonalds first goal against Rangers shows no fresh air between him and the last Rangers defender when the ball leaves JVOH's head. Thats in line and the FIFA directive states that the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking player. No luck required.

The Zander Diamond 'goal' came after the ref blew the whistle and all but two players in the box stopped. If that wasn't the case, would he have scored - probably not.

So, Im still expecting Celtic to get their slice of 'luck' as you have said - these things balance themselves out over the course of the season!
78

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 14:58:10
#75

Don't stop there....the CIS semi-final against Hearts..

The last minute fumble by the Hearts keeper at the Brox...

The 2 other Rangers players that should have been sent off against Aberdeen......

The Naismith goal against Hibs that was offside....

The Weir hit and hope lob against Zeta in the dying minutes...that would ya believe it went in.....

The goal Weir scored on Sunday.....with the back of his heid....

So luck wise.....they've had plenty!
79

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 15:00:53
Ninero I will give you credence for the offside decision the rest is rubbish. Your team have had more handouts than enough this season (and virtually every year that I can remember) In the first game at Celtic park I cannot think of a single incident that went in our favour, you were simply played off the park, end of.

The incidents that you refer to in other games, an offside decision against Falkirk that I will argue to this day was not offside and have yet to see an angle on any television picture that will prove otherwise. We got given a free kick from a challenge on Naka in another game. Remember those words, a free kick, it was soft and may not have been given, but it was 30 odd yards out from goal.

I am sure in your blue world you can conjure injustices from all over just in case you lose the title. Squeaky Bum time.

Is it true the Asda in Govan have ran out of sour grapes and humble pie??
80

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 15:06:06
#73

For a marginal offside decision....I wouldn't think so...

Calling for a penalty.....then probably!
81

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 15:12:14
So lady luck has abandoned Rangers....

Now the world is against them....

Aye it's a strange old game indeed!
82

paulmac,

29/04/2008 15:22:34
As it stands.....of all the fixtures Rangers have left there are 2 that might cause them a problem.....

Motherwell away....and Dundee Utd at home.....

Can't see Rangers dropping points in the other games....

However...if Rangers don't win this Sunday....then watch the dark arts go into overdrive from Govan!
83

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 15:28:51
paul Their last game of the season is at Pittodrie, and they hate them as much as we do.

Hibs will give them a run for their money this weekend, mainly due to youth and young legs against an ageing tired team with a Euro hangover.
84

Hugh Hefner,

29/04/2008 15:31:20
Song Moment - Style Council...

"Lights go out, walls come tumblin' down"

or

Crash by The Primitives!

85

ninenro,

29/04/2008 16:09:23
79
You can`t think of a single incident that went in your favour ! Don`t make me laugh ! Robson should have been off in the first minute for deliberate elbow in the face of Dailly ! Shall I go on ? Ok then there was Hartley breaking McCullochs foot another straight red, then Verypoor not Hasselbaink straight red for assault on Novo and maybe even McGeady for slapping Novo and McDonald for deliberate hand ball and worst attempted dive of the season. Do you need any more ! Suppose it`s just our bad luck eh !
86

ninenro,

29/04/2008 16:12:58
84
Song moment from one of your own !
"You little Cheat" Fergal Sharkey
87

NemesisofWilliam,

29/04/2008 16:22:24
Take a breath and read what you've just posted ninenro.

Now face the truth: YOUR TEAM WERE BEATEN TWICE BY THE BETTER TEAM.

Album Moment! - don't believe the truth - oasis
88

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 16:38:48
85 This is a football match we are talking about, I will give you the Robson challenge but at worst it was bookable. The rest are just versions of your paranoia, there were some hefty challenges from both sides and if there was any cheating in the first game it came from Cuellar. Stopping the ball entering the net by use of his hand should have got him a minimum 3 game ban, because it is out and out cheating. Have you ever come out and condemned any of your players, no is the answer.

Please explain why your captain has not picked up a booking this year, despite trying to strangle a player infront of the referee. Why was he the one not to get booked after the melee at the end of the first game at Celtic Park, when he was clearly the instigator of the trouble in the first place.

In your eyes Mc Geady just walked up and slapped Novo, look at the whole incident again, try taking the blue goggles off and see it for what it was, no more than handbags over an incident started by yes you guessed it Novo.

Football is a tough game usually played by tough guys, sometimes things go over the top, but most of the time it is just hard but fair. Try watching a game that does not involve Rangers and you will see the same type of tackles everywhere that get exactly the same treatment from referees all over.

I would love to hear you tell everyone that Carlos was out of order for his handball at Celtic Park, go you can do it. Once you've said it you'll feel better.
89

ninenro,

29/04/2008 16:42:32
88
I could take it if it were fair and square but it aint and you can kid yourself all you like but you can`t win a game without help ! Plain and simple !

90

ninenro,

29/04/2008 16:48:09
88
In your dreams any other league in the world and Robson walks especially England. It doesnt matter who starts what if you raise your hands you are off. That numpty that played for you lot on loan from Arsenal is another good example this season I think it may have been at Anfield raised his hands and off. Except in Scotland with the impartial officials ! Got tae laugh !
91

ninenro,

29/04/2008 16:51:15
88
I don`t know if you ever played the game but sometimes with only a split second you can make the wrong decision and handle on the line. Your point is.
92

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 16:51:21
90 I will ask you again what about Captain Barry then.
Hands around another players throat. Is that a straight red. Go on you can say it. You have it in you. Or do we have your selective vison goggles on again.
93

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 16:52:30
My point is he cheated and you cannot bring yourself to admit it. Split decision, ok but it is still CHEATING Go on you can admit it
94

ninenro,

29/04/2008 16:56:03
92
You are the one with selective vision and can`t face the fact that you lot can`t win a game fair and square ! You are only trying your deflection tactics as usual. Face it you have been handed at least 15 points this side of Xmas alone. I would find it hard tae take as well ! I would much rather win by my own merits !
95

ninenro,

29/04/2008 16:59:56
Song Moment "Tainted Love"
96

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 17:02:19
I'm not deflecting anything here, we were having a discussion about fairness, I shall quote you from post 90 "It doesnt matter who starts what if you raise your hands you are off." Why can you not admit that Barry Ferguson should have walked. It is not a matter to even discuss, the issue is if you could look at things from an objective point of view people might actually take your points seriously. However when you cannot admit that Ferguson should be sent off despite you earlier comments or admit a piece of blatant cheating by one of your defenders, is actually cheating then any credibility that you had is now non existent.

97

Bosco Bhoy,

----------Oh the irony of it all !---------------- 29/04/2008 17:03:11
Seems like ninero has joined the ranks of the paranoid bad loser that he often chides Celts for being.

How is it bears put it? oh yes accept you get some 50-50 decisons and other times you dont, accept that sometimes you might be on the receiving end of a bad decision but this mean usually ineptitude rather than anything suspicious or underhand and accept defeat with some sembelence of dignity as it is after all only a game.
98

ninenro,

29/04/2008 17:03:30
93
If you were tae ask a player or former player handling on the line is not really cheating anymore than any other hand ball. Anyway you have missed the point again as usual. Officials help you lot every week !
True !
99

ninenro,

29/04/2008 17:06:43
97
Paranoia is when you imagine something thats not really true ! It is true ! Admit it you lot cannae even beat the Sheep without help ! Week in week out !
It is so blatant it`s sad ! I would hate it as well !
100

Tuatha De Dannan,

29/04/2008 17:09:25
Ninero don't you think it strange that you are not getting any help here from any other bears!!

Keep shouting eventually someone will come along and believe you. I am sure Jo Jo is around somewhere.

Sad Sad Little Man
101

Bosco Bhoy,

29/04/2008 17:10:17
99 It is true because you say so. OK the thats that sorted.


Why dont ye answer the question set by Tuatha De Dannan at 96.

Should Bazza have walked for putting his hands around a players neck?
Try and be a tad impartial and honest here.
102

paulmac,

surrey 29/04/2008 17:12:14
#85

"Hartley breaking McCullochs foot"

Aye righty ho!.....Funny thing is McCulloch carried on and played out the rest of the entire game.....

Making 3....that's right 3 lunging tackles....any one of which could have caused serious injury to himself!....

So.....with that in mind...please enlighten us all....as to how you know which challenge caused the injury?
103

ninenro,

29/04/2008 17:12:55
100
Most bears feel the same but traditionally it`s not the Rangers way we just take it with a good old stiff upper lip but I personally think that it`s time it was said.
101
What Barry incident ?
104

Bosco Bhoy,

--------------Now they are acting like what they c 29/04/2008 17:14:59
100 Tuatha De Dannan

He is sad but also a very bitter bigotted and angry individual. His lack of objectivity here might enlighten you to this but wait till he gets onto his fav topics of RC's and Ireland then he really starts to reveal his more sinister side. Defo one to watch for hate crimes methinks.