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Published Date: 11 May 2009
DAVID Cameron has insisted he would treat the people of Scotland with respect if his party came to power – aware that he will almost certainly do so without a clear mandate from north of the Border.
However, the Conservative leader said he would expect the Scottish Government to respect Westminster on certain issues too, such as nuclear weapons.

Mr Cameron also stressed yesterday that he has no immediate plans for a shake-up of the Barnett f
ormula if his party wins the next election.

He said: "If we win the election I know I will not have enough MPs in Scotland to just say, 'Well we have an automatic mandate', and I will be straight up to Scotland to talk to the First Minister and say to everyone who wants to make the United Kingdom work – I will work with you.

"I will govern the UK in a way that shows respect to people in Scotland, that recognises they may not have voted en masse for the Conservative party. It means co-operation, it means respecting that what is decided in Scotland by the Scottish Parliament should be respected by the Westminster parliament."

He said that he would respect the decisions of the Scottish Parliament on issues such as student fees and prescription charges, but that it should respect the UK government on issues over which it has a mandate, such as defence.

Mr Cameron said that the Barnett formula – which allocates a share of spending increases to Scotland – would have to be reviewed but was not a priority.

He said: "If you replace the Barnett formula you replace it with a needs-based formula, and Scotland has a lot of needs and has some very deep pockets of poverty. There isn't some pot of gold. Even if you replace the Barnett formula – we don't have any proposals to do that right now – it would not make a material difference, a big difference to the UK Exchequer."





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  • Last Updated: 10 May 2009 10:39 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
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11/05/2009 01:52:36
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Wisnaeme,

11/05/2009 02:24:30

He say's whit?

Lying toerag. Wae wid believe a Westmidden oink, onyway.

Sqealing like stuck pigs, so they are. Somebody's clypt on us. Yon's criminal so it is. Waur's ra Polis.

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smokey joe 1,

11/05/2009 05:28:00
It would be hard to exceed the disgusting behaviour of Brown and his total disrespect for the elected gvmnt of Scotland.
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W Smith,

Middle East 11/05/2009 05:30:42
Considering the kiddy on SNP marxists polticians have bought shares in the utilities that Maggie privatised I don't see what the fuss is about.

The Nationalist still pretending that Brian Soutar DIDN'T make his fortune from Maggie de-regulationg public transport then, eh?

As for Scottish Labour, it was their own supporters who lined up in their tens of thousands to buy their council houses handing Mrs Thatcher victory in the ideological war against socialism.

She also prepared the political highway for Tony Blair's business friendly New Labour while the Old Labour decided to go along for the ride - and the expenses.

As for the "class war" assistant editor of the newspaper he should know that The Scotsman is privatised and listed on the stock market which in itself is more Thatcherism than Marxism.

Its not Mrs Thatchers fault if socialists in Scotland can't practice what they preach because they can't keep their hands out of the capitalist cookie jar.

The recent expenses scandal which involves many prominent Scottish socialists from Darling to Salmond to Gorbals Mick proves that.

So how many political parties in Scotland are prepared to make re-nationalisation part of their General Election manifesto and put their policy where their mouth is?

That would be none then.

ADVANTAGE THATCHER.

BTW
It was South Korea's Daewoo ship yard that helped kill off Britain' ship building industry.

Expecting Mrs Thatcher to force foreign shipping companies to order ships from strike hit British shipyards was a complete fantasty.
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11/05/2009 07:50:46
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eric,

11/05/2009 07:51:21
Dont think your english voters will be too pleased at that mr cameron,as far as they are concerned Scotland is getting far too much respect as it is!
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 11/05/2009 08:03:40
How condescending from the Eton biscuit boy, isn't that how they used to speak to their Empire? You will have no mandate to govern Scotland. Not that it matters we never voted for the government of 79-97 but we got decimated by it.
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thinking,

Scotland 11/05/2009 08:28:22
9 Bigwull
Has courtesy become condescension now?!!
How else is he going to say he will work with the Scottish Executive?
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TWC,

exLabour 11/05/2009 08:41:16
13 Rulesbutnotrulers

If that's what English voters want that's ok, surely
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David MacVicar,

Web 11/05/2009 08:52:45
Inequality in the union is clear enough when the UK PM in waiting feels that it is necessary to state that he will treat the parliament of a treaty partner of some 300 years and neighbouring country "should be respected."

Note: Not treated as equal.

The Union is plainly unequal at the country level. There is much comment on Scottish politicans voting on England only matters but the 90% of UK represntatives don't just vote on matters effecting Scotland they dictate it and we have no recourse.

The Scottish parliament has already voted against New Nuclear in Scotland, yet the MPs outside of Scotland want to enforce it. They have the power yes, but it is clearly a complete disregard for the overriding opinion of an entire country because of the advantages to another.

The English Reps would never give Scots Reps an equal status in parliament and the represntation ratio has widened greatly over the years. Personally I think a geographic as opposed to a population ratio would be fairest since obviously concentration in investment in the SE UK, leads to population flow there and a concentration of power. With devolution there is even less represntation on reserved areas: perpetual second class. Thats the rub.

As Westminster is too corrupt and too archaic and lethargic to change, then full fiscal control and vetos on key Scottish topics should be the minimum power the SP should have. It wont happen, but a referendum will.
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Mark Insch,

11/05/2009 09:11:22
#6 W Smith,Middle East
"As for Scottish Labour, it was their own supporters who lined up in their tens of thousands to buy their council houses handing Mrs Thatcher victory in the ideological war against socialism"

It wasn't the offering to tenants the right to buy their "own" home that was the issue - Maggie also put a block on new council house building. So, the choice ended up being either buy a house or rent a second-rate council house that no one wanted. Add to that massive discounts for long-term tenants, practically guaranteed mortgages (mostly thanks to finanacial deregulation), guaranteed increase in house prices since everyone now has to buy their own home, and you had a situation where your Scottish Labour supporters (or any one else) would be foolish not to take up the opportunity.

Most working people at the time were quite happy to rent their couincil home and receive the services the council provided as a result. I would suggest very few Scots were influenced by Maggies "Right to Buy" policy when voting.
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bluewave,

11/05/2009 09:32:54
Cameron says: "If you replace the Barnett formula you replace it with a needs-based formula, and Scotland has a lot of needs and has some very deep pockets of poverty. There isn't some pot of gold. Even if you replace the Barnett formula – we don't have any proposals to do that right now – it would not make a material difference, a big difference to the UK Exchequer."

Obfuscating nonsense. He won't touch Barnett even though it enrages much of his core English vote brainwashed to believe it's unfair to them because he knows just how hugely valuable Scottish contributions to the Exchequer are and how little the Scots get in return. This is precisely why we have these "very deep pockets of poverty" he alludes to even though we produce per annum more oil than Kuwait (source:BBC) and much much more too.

That's the sole basis for English Tories wanting to keep Scotland in union because Scotland is such an important asset to them. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
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Edward,

11/05/2009 09:33:05
What a funny thing to say and an equally funny thing for Labour's mouth piece to report.
'Tory party will respect Scots if it wins power'
Does this mean the current Labour Govenment does NOT respect Scots? Well actually thy dont, but Labour have been continually stating they ae working for Scotland, except that they havnt, they have been working for themselves!.
Doe this mean that the Tories upto know have not had any respect for Scots? Well some would argue they never have.
Then its the 'if its wins power' Actually its not if, but when now. The main question should be'are the Tories up for negotiating the settlement for the disolving of the 300 year old Union between Scotland and England'?
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Phil C,

11/05/2009 09:37:12
Great!! A nice friendly transfer to independence. It's what we all need, and quick.

Could never happen under those slimeball sleazebags Labour as they need the votes of our dumionists.
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buzzer,

Aberdeen 11/05/2009 09:38:39
David Cameron has no chance against Alex Salmond until he tells us that 500 million pounds will be returned to the Scottish budget. Oh and Dave will you respect the Scottish people when they tell you they dont want nuclear power on their doorstep.
Nah i really think that independence for Scotland is just round the corner as most Scots cannot stomach the Tories and then Cameron will cut his losses and stop prattling on about the Union
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Darien,

Panama 11/05/2009 09:50:18
"DAVID Cameron has insisted he would treat the people of Scotland with respect"

This is condescending in the extreme, but will not be the last in a long line of Tory gaffs related to Scotland. Remember Thatcher's "We in Scotland" comment? This is simply a colonial Governor-General approach and reflects the fact England (aka UK) rules over Scotland. Scots need to wake up - so long as Scotland remains part of the union and is ultimately ruled over by its larger neighbour then it is no more than a colony.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 11/05/2009 09:52:08
The Tory leader is hoping that by being concilliatory
he may encourage more voters to elect Scots Tory MPs?

However, what happens IF the Scots Electorate once again reject the indigenous Tories?

IF elected, with a large majority, once in power the Conservatives will do whatever they please.


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Chief King Bonga,

11/05/2009 09:59:07
I hope Cameron means that he will respect the Scottish Parliament if they ever find the courage to vote for independence.
Independence for Scotland,(please take Wales and Northern Ireland too), is the best option for the "Celtic Tiger" and England to go forward. Is it time yet ?
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W Smith,

Middle East 11/05/2009 10:15:29
#16 Markinch
The famous Trade Union leader Jack Jones died recently and never moved from his council house.

That's because Karl Marx was against the individual owning property.

Our Jack was trying, at least, to remain faithful to his beliefs.

This ideology was being imposed on working class Scots by their own beloved Scottish Labour Party.

By buying their council houses these folks effectively rejected one of socialisms fundamental beliefs - while at the same time claiming to hate Thatcherism and or capitalism.

The "massive discounts" are a bit of a myth.

Some of these council houses were built in the late 1950's for about 1,000 quid.

They were then sold at around 25,000 pounds in the mid-eighties. Thats more than a 12.5% increase year on year for 25 years.

Plus the state had already made alot of money from rentals while the socialists amongst us prevented the tenants from buying.

I have yet to hear a good reason for expecting working class people to live say 40 years in the same council house as tenants and at the end of their lives they have nothing to hand on to their kids.

The "services the council provided" were a bit of joke and doesn't justify keeping people as captive tenants for decades while at the same time saying they were "quite happy".

The truth is under this system they lacked the social mobility that was already being enjoyed by millionaire socialists like Dalyell and Benn.
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TWC,

exLabour 11/05/2009 10:29:05
he'll treat Scotland with respect in case it bites him on the behind just like it did to Gordo
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Ananurhing,

11/05/2009 10:33:38
So basically he'll respect the Scottish democratic will on certain issues, but is willing to foist unpopular decisions upon Scotland at westminster's discretion.

Same old, same old democratic deficit then! A Tory Scottish Governor General in London, imposing his will against Scotland's elected representatives!

I don't think so Mr Cameron! Interesting times ahead.

"Deep pockets of poverty". An oxymoron that sums up Scotland really!
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Jeeemy,

St Andrews 11/05/2009 10:50:00
It has been noted that David Cameron will treat Scotland and those living there will be treated with respect, oh goody.
Is this to be the same respect that those representatives of the people that have been sent to Westminster that they have been treating their expense claim’s?
No I didn’t think so, I wonder just how many will actually be returned at the next election?
How many will stand for re-election wearing white suits? As it would appear at this time the average turnout for the next General Election will be lucky if it reaches 20%
Which of course will mean that those returned will have a mandate to do whatever they like, as has been done for the last 50 years with absolutely no respect what so ever for those who temerity sent them there in the first place.
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Boy Wonder,

11/05/2009 10:57:06
"Cameron: Tory party will respect Scots if it wins power"

Aye ... right!

Politician will say anything to get your vote!

I'd say they were all a buncha weasels ... but that would be disrespecting weasels!

I trust not Cameron one single micromillimetre.

Or any of the rest come to that!
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Sedov,

11/05/2009 11:21:16
Sorry,

what's the difference between the Cameron Tories and the Tartan Tories?

Answer: Cameron's Tories do not like Annabel Goldie.
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AJ Fife,

11/05/2009 11:23:04
The Conservative Party are the establishment party of England. They were born to rule our southern neighbours and good luck to them.

Just as long as he keeps his neb oot of our affairs, everybody's a winner :)

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Brianwci,

11/05/2009 11:32:13
Cameron recognises that Scotland "has a lot of needs and has some very deep pockets of poverty."

Shame he didn't carry on to say 'despite 30 years of Oil and Gas revenues'. But nice to for him to admit that Scotland has done so badly out of the union.....

....unless of course most countries which discover Oil and gas still have "a lot of needs and some very deep pockets of poverty."

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Brianwci,

11/05/2009 11:41:09
He said that he would respect the decisions of the Scottish Parliament on issues such as student fees and prescription charges.....

Well bully for you David. But as these are devolved issues you have no choice but respect them....if not actually copy them because they are such good policies.

As for the Scottish Government respecting English/British policies like Trident.

To have Trident based on the Thames....no problem..enjoy.

To have Trident based in Scotland, no thank you, we are not worthy. You take Trident, we'll take the Oil and gas revenues.

And David, as we like you so much we are going to grant England Independence in order that you may rule as you see fit, without Scottish interference.

Bless you for your respect.
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nova albion,

11/05/2009 11:55:11
30. He will be PM of the UK,how exactly can he keep his "NEB" out!
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nova albion,

11/05/2009 12:07:47
Is David Cameron having a laugh! It will be the people of England that put him into power,try treating the 51 million English with "respect" that means sorting out the barnett formula,answering the "west lothian question",and giving the sick and infirmed of England the same drugs that are available in scotland. If Scotland don't like it TOUGH!
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Chief King Bonga,

11/05/2009 12:11:26
Brianwci 31
"Shame he didn't carry on to say 'despite 30 years of Oil and Gas revenues'. But nice to for him to admit that Scotland has done so badly out of the union".....

But where has the money to finance Scotland for the other 270 years come from Bri, you know, before the oil ?

And Trident......lets base it in Cumbria or Northumberland, and man it with English jobs, you keep your oil, your bent bankers, and take back the Tartan mafia running the country and its a deal.



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Stephen_Gash,

Carlisle England 11/05/2009 12:17:57
The disrespect for England will continue, then, under Cameron.

The Tories will be on probation in England after the next general election. As they will be too busy respecting Scotland, they will fail England and will be wiped out at the following general election.
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nova albion,

11/05/2009 12:24:09
36. The tories have one last chance,if they screw this one up then i'm afraid they will not see power for a long,long time,all we ask cameron is that England gets it's fair share and that starts with abolition of the Barnett Formula!
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David MacVicar,

web 11/05/2009 12:43:01
Some of Camerons comments as reported in the times are at least in the right direction within the short term status quo. Labour has handled the relationship with the Scottish parliament so poorly that it seems almost guaranteed that the UK and Scottish governments should be able to work more effectively under a Cameron Government.

However I can't see Cameron handing over the Barnett consequentials we are still due under the current agreements given the train wrek labour is leaving.
If the UK government cannot honour existing agreements then they wont honour new ones either.

Cameron is putting himself forward as someone that will at least pick up the phone on a regular basis. This is still miles from the level of control that Scots want over our own future. Many are still to be persuaded on full independence but most Scots want devolution to go much, much further with fiscal control and accountability to end the stupid games over Scottish revenues and expenses.

Unfortunately, we know from Calman that they think this accountable, open government would end the Union.

Isn't it incredible that the Tories are too scared to even change Barnett? It is so important to keep Scotlands financial position under wraps that they dare not change Barnett.

Show us who is REALLY getting a Union dividend!
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 11/05/2009 13:05:30
We know Cameron will win and we know that the level of UK debt racked up by Labour will give Cameron just cause to reduce public sector spending across the board in his first few years in office.

No matter what he says now, expect severe pressure on the Scottish budget. A handful of new Scottish Tory MP's will not be enough to commit Cameron to any kind of long-term promise on this. Especially when the English cities and shires will be demanding that Scotland takes it's share of the cuts.

Up till a year ago, the Conservatives were too scared to do anything other than go along with Labours spending plans. They broke ranks on that only recently. You can be sure that in government and as they gain confidence, their own agenda will come increasingly to the fore. Expect their view of Scotland to change similarly.
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blancmange,

11/05/2009 13:06:02
Chief King Bonga "But where has the money to finance Scotland for the other 270 years come from Bri, you know, before the oil ?"
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Not from where you think.
For example, a couple of quotes from Wikipedia:
"From the 18th century the city (Glasgow) became one of Europe's main hubs of transatlantic trade with the Americas. With the Industrial Revolution, the city and surrounding region grew to become one of the world's pre-eminent centres of engineering and shipbuilding,[4] constructing many innovative and famous vessels. Glasgow was known as the "Second City of the British Empire" for much of the Victorian era and Edwardian period.[5][6][7]"

"In the late 19th and early 20th centuries Glasgow grew to a population of over one million,[9] and was the fourth-largest city in Europe, after London, Paris and Berlin.[10]"
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Chief King Bonga,

11/05/2009 14:05:57
Blancmange,

I was mearly trying to make a point to the "Its oor Oil" "Its oor water " brigade that we get on here, I dont seriously think that we English keep Scotland afloat anymore than the other way round, the fact is that until the Union is fully divided its wealth and debt are shared wether we like it or not !!

39 Vivas,

You are right about the Tories following the Labour formula for power until recently, they were scared stiff of Blair, Brown has porked himself out of a job, as the Teflon kid, Blair would still attract the vote of the stupid, the gullable, the great unwashed, and everyone on social security with his dazzling gnashers and spin.

Surely even in Scotland there must be a desire for change, even a Cabinet full of Scots have only worried about filling their own boots for the last fifteen years without even a thought for their fellow Scot, until polling day that is, could it really be much worse under Salmon in Scotland and Cameron in England !!

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nova albion,

11/05/2009 14:23:29
41. Actually we do! England provides 20 billion of the 31 billion from the UK treasury.
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The Master,

11/05/2009 14:28:57
Nationalism is a relatively unknown quantity in British politics (apart from the good old Tory Euro sceptics, that is!) What I mean is that it's only in very recent times that Nats have had control outside of local government (power sharing in the Welsh Assembly and mounting what, against all the odds, has apparently turned out to be a popular minority administration in the SP).

Dave has obviously been observing quietly from the sidelines as Labour have floundered in the face of the counterproductive "Scotland! Scotland! Scotland!" warcry and decided that it'll be wise to try to work with the Nats rather than confront their chippy Nationalist rantings head on. He is also well aware that the FPTP Westminster Electoral System will fuel the Nationalist rants about how the Tories have no mandate in Scotland.

Having said all this, I think that Dave may have set out his stall over cautiously: the Nats have been cooperating with the Tories more easily than Labour in the SP and I'm sure I'm not alone in detecting that the real antipathy in Scottish politics seems to be between the Nats and Labour; primarily because the Nats have somehow deluded themselves into believing that they can replace them as the primary force in Scotland.
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Chief King Bonga,

11/05/2009 14:35:18
nova albion,

Well that accounts for why the Scottish Mafia have not pushed for independence during the dying embers of the Scottish Raj to stay in power !!
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 11/05/2009 14:43:42
#45 Wouldn't take kimba too seriously if I were you Bonga old boy.
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Chief King Bonga,

11/05/2009 14:48:19
Oh no, is nova albion Kimba ???
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 11/05/2009 14:57:23
"However, the Conservative leader said he would expect the Scottish Government to respect Westminster on certain issues too, such as nuclear weapons."

Sounds sinister - what exacly does he mean by that?
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nova albion,

11/05/2009 15:16:14
47. No i'm not! but anyone English gets accused of being he/she.
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nova albion,

11/05/2009 15:17:48
48. It means what it says,it's called mutual respect.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 11/05/2009 16:03:59
-- Nationalism is a relatively unknown quantity in British politics ...

Racketeering for fun and profit's been the observed quantity for the last 30 years. The UK has no assets left and the imported royalty will soon quit it to their estates in Colorada and South America. The USA is so many trillions in debt no-one's counting any more.

Science advances into the unknown v. the orthodox clergy.

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Mèths,

11/05/2009 16:35:53
HI KIMBA!
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WL,

Livingston 11/05/2009 17:15:09
But Cameron says that he will talk to "everyone who wants to make the UK work". Does that mean that he will only talk to the other Unionist parties and not to the SNP? Quite an empty promise.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/05/2009 17:45:53
48 I think he means that he expects the SNP to review their position on Trident, nuclear power etc, in exchange for being given a fair degree of autonomy this side of ther border, and not getting rid of the Barnett formula, thus ''protecting'' what most folk view as an advantage for Scotland.

A one-sided attempted faustian pact, which will never be kept.
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nova albion,

11/05/2009 18:04:19
51&53. Think what you will,i am not wasting my time on silly little people like yourselves.
55. If Cameron does not review the barnett formula he will have a riot on his hands,people in England are sick and tired of playing second best courtesy of Blair,Brown and Darling,with Salmonds whinging tones in the background.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/05/2009 18:25:50
56 yes exactly. Cameron has to pacify the Daily Mail vote too doesn't he, as personified so eloquently by you. So whatever he does it's not going to work, not here, and not in England.

You have to wonder why he wants to be Prime Minister.
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hoblar,

11/05/2009 18:49:22
How about lubricating the nuclear weapons and sticking them somewhere besides Scotland?

Lubricate the Barnet formula, stick it up the orifice of Westminster, Scotland will raise and spend her own taxes, and England can have Westminster and do the same for a wee change.

Then we are all happy, particularly an sad folk on here and we know who they are.
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Ken Mac,

Glasgow 11/05/2009 19:56:00
#4 Wisnaeme. What is a toerag? Some kind of knackered footwear? Cameron is a Unionist and one who has acknowledged the viability of Scottish independence. His problem is that regardless of his own feelings on the subject, when he becomes Prime Minister he will have a party full and a parliment full, of xenophobic home counties half wits who will be more than happy to ditch Scotland. O.K. by me. Saor Alba.
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Alan B,

11/05/2009 20:20:08
If cameron does treat Scotland and our government and parliament with respect it will be a big change from Brown.

It is not just about respect it is also about sorting out the mess labour made of devolution.
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 11/05/2009 20:58:31
Do Scots have any reason to respect the Tory Party if it comes to power? Mr Cameron/Camshron, your party deliberately deceived Scots as to the revenues Westminster was receiving from our oilfields, and used the money to rebuild England while Scottish industries closed down, one after another. Why should Scots give a damn as to your opinion on nuclear weapons? If the majority of Scots do not want nuclear weapons on our territory then they must be removed. How dare you say otherwise, Mr Cameron/Camshron?! Why should Scots be fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan for the sake of England's bloody special bloody relationship with the USA?! Scots must regain control of their defence, foreign policy, and finances, and that means independence. And now I think it must be as soon as possible. The Union is dead, dead, dead.
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