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Published Date: 12 May 2009
THE expenses of senior Conservatives were put under the spotlight last night, with further damaging claims emerging. Here are the latest revelations:
• Douglas Hogg, a former agriculture secretary, spent more than £2,000 clearing the moat on his Lincolnshire estate. Amazingly, public money was also used to help pay for work on Mr Hogg's stables and even for his piano to be tuned.


9 James Arbuthnot claimed for pool maintenance as well as £2,433 for the cost of a housekeeper and £2,749 for work on trees, it was reported.

Eton-educated Mr Arbuthnot is the chairman of the Defence Select Committee.

In total, he claimed £108,062 on his second home in five years, the most available under the MPs' allowances system.

• Sir Michael Spicer, chairman of the powerful Tory backbench 1922 Committee, spent £5,650 of taxpayers' money having his garden maintained. An invoice detailed "hedge cutting" and "helipad". He also claimed for the hanging of a chandelier at his manor house.

• Sir Alan Haselhurst, deputy Speaker of the Commons, also claimed for gardening – £12,000 over five years.

• Former Home Secretary David Davis claimed for more than £10,000 of home renovations and furnishings, including a new £5,700 portico.

• Backbench MP David Heathcoat-Amory was named as the Conservative who had claimed more than £380 for horse manure.

• David Willetts: the shadow innovation, universities and skills secretary claimed over £100 to replace 25 lightbulbs at his second home in west London.

• Chris Grayling: the shadow home secretary, received thousands of pounds to renovate a London flat 17 miles from his constituency home. Despite already owning three properties within the M25, he bought the flat with loans subsidised by the taxpayer.

• Francis Maude, the shadow Cabinet Office minister, claimed almost £35,000 over two years for a mortgage on a London flat a few minutes' walk from a house he owned, but rented out.

• David Cameron, the Tory leader, put £141,820 on his second home allowance over five years. The majority of his claims were for mortgage interest and utility bills for his constituency home.

• Oliver Letwin claimed over £2,000 to replace a leaking pipe under his tennis court.

The taxpayer also picked up the tab for regular services to his Aga.

• Nick Herbert, the shadow environment secretary, claimed back £10,000 of the £14,700 stamp duty when he bought a home with his partner in his constituency.

• Alan Duncan, the shadow leader of the Commons, claimed thousands of pounds for his garden before agreeing the spending "could be considered excessive".

• Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, spent thousands of pounds renovating a thatched Tudor country cottage – and sold it shortly afterwards. He then "flipped" his expenses to a Georgian flat in London, and claimed for thousands of pounds in furnishings.

• Michael Gove, a close ally of Mr Cameron, spent more than £7,000 in five months furnishing a London property in 2006 before "flipping" his second home designation to a new property in Surrey, for which he claimed more than £13,000 in stamp duty and other fees.

• Ken Clarke, the former Chancellor, was apparently repeatedly asked, because of poor book-keeping, to submit receipts for thousands of pounds for security and cleaning at his second home.







The full article contains 572 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Bevin Boyce,

11/05/2009 23:53:31
Lord Mandy holds the key to the closet.
2

subrosa,

12/05/2009 00:19:13
How many moats did the man have? The headline says 'clearing moats'.
3

Iainbroch,

12/05/2009 00:22:11
Clearing moats - Did he claim for repair of Drawbridge and Port Cullis as well by any chance?
4

Gina Gibson,

Wales 12/05/2009 00:32:50
Why would any MP need to buy manure??

Surely they provide enough just by talking?
5

Jimmy Le Pie,

12/05/2009 01:21:53
Looks like the New Labour loving Polly Toynbee is putting the boot into Our Dear Leader,

From the Guardian,

It's all over for Brown and Labour. The abyss awaits. As long as he remains leader, there is nothing that wretched Labour candidates can plausibly say on the doorstep at next month's European elections. They are struck dumb. Why should people vote for them? The horse manure bought on expenses is garnish for a decomposing government. The heart of the matter is the economy, and Brown's responsibility for the bubble years. He personally is to blame for Labour's failure to ensure that ordinary people on median incomes and poor people at the bottom received a bigger share in national growth: it turns out that they fell back and only the wealthy prospered. Labour made the rich richer and the poor poorer: growth for the few, not the many.



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12/05/2009 02:06:09
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12/05/2009 02:39:39
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Canny Mann,

12/05/2009 02:53:05
Continued...
Public borrowing of a colossal amount, so high that they are stealing the breakfast from our grand children's mouths, in repaying it and the interest that must be paid on it.

Labour are a busted flush and no-longer fit for purpose.

The Euro elections in June is only a forerunner to the implosion that is lying in wait for Labour. For almost 20 years under a tory government Labour were unelectable.
Since 1997 the tories have been the party who were ineffectual, unelectable and boom to bust , Labour are once again unelectable. This unelectable period is likely to be terminal for the Labour movement and party. Labour have lost the love and support of the majority of Scots. The SNP are the favoured party in Scotland, talking up the country at every oppertunity. The tories are the flavour of the moment in England, leaving Labour nowhere to hide.

SNP for Europe, on the 4th of June 2009.

Alba gu brath.
9

The Kids Are Alright,

12/05/2009 03:03:18
When they (hopefully) send all these people to jail, they should be given the sort of hard conditions that they tell us are required to make sure prisoners don't reoffend.

These people, however, make "offending" a part of their everyday life.

Not enough can be made of this scandal

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12/05/2009 03:21:59
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The Kids Are Alright,

12/05/2009 03:27:40
Just surprised that no revelations have come to light about claiming for whips, leather masks and handcuffs.

Might not be too long now...
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12/05/2009 03:36:30
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The Kids Are Alright,

12/05/2009 03:45:34
#19

What do you have against the Gorbals?
14

W Smith,

Middle East 12/05/2009 03:50:57
#20 I don't want to use my real name

What are you doing up this late asking stupid questions?
15

The Kids Are Alright,

12/05/2009 04:47:48
#21

1pm.

I usually get to stay up until a bit later to watch the TV programs, and stuff.

Also, please feel free to use your real name if you so wish.
16

Astonished,

12/05/2009 05:51:02
W. Smith said "Anyone seen the 'objective' Ms Kirsty Wark recently?" - Even if she was capable of criticizing labour (and we all know that she isn't) the present BBC would not allow it.



The realisation that Scotland would be much,much better without westminster is dawning on many - even folk whom I thought unthinking labour fodder. Scotland is having an epiphany - thanks to wise men.



Not long now !



Haven't heard the thoughts of labour MSPs on this matter - well done the Scottish media and the BBC- Just what gordon ordered.
17

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 06:05:30
It is hard to imagine how one could possibly be expected to best represent one’s constituents’ interests when the moat is full of weeds and the piano is out of tune.
18

The Kids Are Alright,

12/05/2009 06:09:58
#24

Sadly, his piano will always be out of tune.
19

Marian,

12/05/2009 06:12:28
The UK has now got to such a state after a decade of Blair-Brown's so called socialist policies where no amount of New Labour spin can change the picture into anything other than that of a very sick country, what with the lowest standards in public life, the out-of-touch justice system, the draconian powers the police and public officials have been granted, the massive intrusive surveillance of the populace, the nanny state, the ruinous benefits dependency culture, unfettered public service bureaucracy, runaway government spending, and the ruined national economy.

We urgently need an antidote to New Labour and its claptrap that is fed to us by their acolytes within the BBC and the dead tree press. There is only one choice of antidote for Scotland so long as it is within the UK and that is to elect a large contingent of SNP MP's to the UK parliament at the forthcoming UK general election in order to send out a clear message that Scotland will no longer put up with the status quo.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:04:27
27
The speaker is only known as 'Gorbals Mick' by right-wing English tories who snear at Mr Martin's working class roots and catholic faith.
Every Scot knows that the speaker is from Springburn so why would the nats nats repeat this pathetic and elitist attack on a catholic working class boy from Glasgow?
22

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 12/05/2009 07:08:05
It makes you wonder why the People of Scotland need to participate in this "Mother" of all parliaments at all.

How about this for a way Scotland can solve this problem, devolve every single reserved power from the corrupt parliament in Westminster to the uncorrupt one at Holyrood.

Problem Solved.
23

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:10:21
26
Absolutely. Because the SNP are whiter than white. They have never moved house in Linlthgow to make money out of expenses at Holyrood. Oh no. Nor have they ever claimed for a food allowance during Westminster recesses or tried to get the British taxpayer to foot their hotel mini-bar bills. Oh no.
Pot. Kettle. Black.....
24

Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 07:10:45
David, there you were dreaming of an overall majority at best, or a coalition with the BNP and SNP at worst. As the man said, a week is a long time in politics.
25

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:11:01
29
lol
26

Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 07:11:36
Friends, it is time for a Scottish socialist republic.
27

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12/05/2009 07:16:10
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:17:30
34
So which one are you?
A right-wing tory or a nat who enjoys snearing at working class catholics?
29

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 12/05/2009 07:22:04
#28 Grahamski

So should we start calling him "Springburn Muck"?

Aye Graham, he was only living the dream. What "catholic working class boy from Glasgow" has not fantasised about going to Parkhead in a chauffeured Jag?

Though most of them probably fantasised that they where rich enough to pay for it themselves. Not stealing it from the public purse.
30

Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 07:22:40
35

Grahamski, I suspect that he/she is a bit of both - like many others, a disaffected middle class right wing presbyterian (nothing wrong with that) Tory who has jumped ship temporarily to the SNP.
31

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:25:26
37
Yes Mr Salmond and Ms Goldie do seem like two peas and a pod, and as Mr Salmond made clear he didn't mind Mrs Thatcher's economic policies....see tories, see tartan tories?
32

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:26:50
36
What about calling him Mr Martin? Try growing up and leave the infantile name-calling to the toddlers.
33

Bejjy,

Europe 12/05/2009 07:30:27
35 Grahamski

Neither and I don't believe in a class system. Now you'r buggered!
34

brownlie,

12/05/2009 07:35:13
35 Grahamski

Why do you make repeated mentions of Mr Martin's religion?
35

Bejjy,

Europe 12/05/2009 07:37:37
37 Walter Ego

Given that you know nothing about me your comment is nothing short of being pathetic. Martin is known in the political and journalistic world as "Gorbals Mick" so who are you and Grahamski to contradict that.

And by the way Walter Ego, I have never voted for any political party in the United Kingdom. I have lived and worked for many years in major cities within the UK but am not a British national. Have you any comment about that?
36

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 12/05/2009 07:39:52
By the way Graham, what has the speakers religious beliefs or social background got to do with this discussion about his personal conduct?

I think a lot of working class and catholic people will be offended by your insinuations that people with that background are as dishonest as Michael Martin.

(Notice I haven't used Mr. as you suggested because quite frankly his conduct shows that he is not entitled to that honourific let alone "the Right Honourable".)
37

TWC,

exLabour 12/05/2009 07:41:43
1 RufusTeaFirefly,
Aye but only the Labour MPs risk Court appearances and what aboot Gorbals Mick yesterday?

Bretheren Sistern

Labour are finished Ruf even after these revelations The Tories will beat you.

SLAB nee to break away now.

I'm off guys I'll see the posts later
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:42:18
41
Because the use of the name 'Gorbals Mick' is an attack on Mr Martin's religion and background by sneering tories.
The SNP posters here need to understand that by using the tory rightwing's cheap shots at working class Scots makes them no better than the tories.
Quite frankly the nats should raise their game.
39

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:44:02
42
Actually 'Gorbals Mick' was a name invented by the intolerant right-wing of the tories. It has been reported but it is a name only used by the rancid right and the nats. There's a surprise, eh?
40

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:45:29
43
Carry on with your attacks on working class catholics. The rancid right and the SNP stand together. Again.
41

Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 07:48:00
42

Indeed I do Bejjy - like everyone else, you have the right to contribute to this forum. But why?
42

Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 07:48:58
Onward to a secular Scottish socialist republic.
43

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 07:49:04
45, 46 and 47

Lies I'm afraid. Gorbals Mick was so called by Quentin Letts, a well known writer for many a newspaper (and written factual and satire). The joke within the joke his he was named after the area the Gorbals but Martin never camee from that area.

It's no more or no less an attack than me calling you Gray Ham.

If you are going to tell lies, do it from the privacy of your own home, in front of no one with no one listening.
44

brownlie,

12/05/2009 07:51:13
45

You were the only one who mentioned that Mr Martin was a catholic - no-one else.
45

Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 07:54:46
Anti Catholic today, anti somebody else tomorrow. shameful.
46

Bejjy,

Europe 12/05/2009 07:54:49
48 Walter Ego

Although I'm now retired I retain an active interest in the political and social events of the cities and countries in the UK, Republic of Ireland and Europe in which I have lived and worked. Thus I read newspapers such as The Scotsman, Manchester Evening News, Belfast Telegraph, London Evening Standard etc, etc, and make comment when I feel the need to.
47

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:56:22
50
Dear dear...you cybernats really need to lay off wikipedia. The joke within a joke? Nothing as subtle as that. Mr Letts, along with his groupies on the reactionary wing of the conservative party hate the idea of a working class Glasgow boy being the speaker of the House.
The joke is that his is a mick from Glasgow (who cares exactly where in that ghastly place, right?).
Go on nats, laugh at that.
I wonder if you would be so keen to snigger at and repeat racist jokes about Keith Vaz?
Or is it just jokes at the Scots expense that the nats think suitable to repeat?
48

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 07:57:29
51
'Gorbals Mick' - a mick from Glasgow. If you are going to make sectarian jokes at least be aware of them, eh?
49

caithness,

12/05/2009 07:57:45
It shows in what contempt people hold Michael Martin that his common nickname is Gorbals Mick. No previous speaker (including working class ones which Grahamski seems to harp on) was given such a pejorative nickname. BTW I wonder what his voters thought when he turned up in his chauffeur driven limousine (paid for by us) to visit Springburn Job Centre?
50

Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:00:27
56
Think accent. Every other 'working class' speaker spoke 'proper'. Mr Martin speaks like he comes from Springburn and the rightwing tories (including Mr Letts) hate him for it. The nats go along for the ride because they are too stupid or too bitter to see that attacking a man for speaking in a working class Scottish accent is a bad thing...
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 08:01:00
54

Don't need to wiki anything (I see you have though) since I have the capacity to read and learn (unlike yourself).

Your lies are a disgrace. Your attempt to convert this to a racist and/or bigoted point of view is shameful. You appear to be full of hate, I would see somebody about that as it will ultimately destroy you and drive people away from you.

BTW, some "cyber nats" come from the Gorbals or have connections to the Gorbals and are of Irish ancestry and are Catholic (I myself are Catholic) and we get the joke within the joke, you don't.

Stop. Grow up and behave yourself.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:02:29
58
That as may be although I suspect that there will be plenty scratching their heads at a supposedly pro-Scottish SNP lining up with the tories to give a guy a tanking for speaking like a Scot.
53

brownlie,

12/05/2009 08:02:41
55 Grahamski

You are the only one who brought Mr Martin's religion onto this site. Why? I did not see anyone making any kind of joke.
54

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 08:03:18
60

Stop. Grow up and behave yourself.
55

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 12/05/2009 08:05:43
#47 Graham

The only one sneering at working class catholic's is you and your sleazy Labour cronies.

You where the first to bring up Michael Martins religious and social background (at #35) as if this will somehow shield him from the wrath of his constituents at the next election.

If anyone on this bored is guilty of stirring up religious bigotry and class hatred it's you.

I don't give a flying f**k what his personal beliefs or social background are. He is a scheming piece of filth who has wasted taxpayers funds to live a lifestyle his constituents can only dream of.

If he had gone into politics to help his constituents he would not be in this trouble. But by his own words "As a life long trade unionist, I did not come into politics not to get what I am owed out of it".
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:05:45
59
Davey boy,
Whenever a cybernat starts spouting 'facts' it's time to visit Wiki.
In the meantime stop repeating anti-Scottish and anti-catholic bile. It's not a joke within a joke, it's not post-modern irony it's old fashioned snobbery and sectarianism and it's vile - you should leave it well alone.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 08:06:29
65

Stop. Grow up and behave yourself.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:10:12
64
You want to check that quote?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:11:45
66
stop using sectarian and anti-Scottish jibes just because they happen to be directed at a Labour politician.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 08:12:26
69

Stop. Grow up and behave yourself.
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Bejjy,

Europe 12/05/2009 08:17:21
Whether or not Gorbal Mick is catholic, working class or actually from the Gorbals is irrelevant. What is relevant is that he is incompetent in the job of Mr Speaker and should be sacked for his recent poor judgement and performances in the House of Commons.
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brownlie,

12/05/2009 08:19:37
69 Grahamski

Your posts, in attempting to provoke bigotry, should be treated with the contempt they deserve.
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12/05/2009 08:21:03
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Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging Around 12/05/2009 08:21:55
Time for a quiet revolt.

At the next election - the European one - people everywhere need to vote against the sitting MEP. Now, if they do so randomly, then the chances are that the sitting MP will return with a reduced majority. If, say, 30% of people vote for the sitting MP and the remaining 70% vote randomly for 3 other candidates then each candidate will poll on average 23.3% of the poll and will obviously lose. If, however, the 70% all voted for the same person, that would replace one MEP with a fresh face, one who would know that a strategic vote got them in and a strategic vote could get them out, unless they listened hard to their constituents.

So, instead of a random vote, at the next election, vote for the person whose name is BELOW that of the sitting MEP on the voting paper - it doesn't matter what party they represent - and if the sitting MEP is the last man on the list then vote for the person at the TOP of the list. I will be doing this - even if it means voting for an extremist party once - and if enough people pass this idea on and carry it out then we, the people, can create a shock wave that Brussels, Westminster and Holyrood will all have to pay attention to.

What do you have to lose - apart from one Euro-vote? We all know the worth of a Euro election anyway; the Parliament in Brussels/Strasbourg is an expensive talking shop and the EU is run by an unelected commission so we won't really be losing anything; instead we will gain the attention of ALL our elected representatives, in the 12 months leading up to a UK General Election.

If you're up for it, pass the word on. Only a few weeks to go!
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12/05/2009 08:22:59
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 12/05/2009 08:24:51
how do the voters in gorbal micks constit think about him
with his "i see no poverty,where i represent"
how many of his voters,are sitting joe lint,and trying to work out ,how to feed the kids till pay day?
socialist principles went like his bum ,oot ra windae
they are all the same,one sniff of what you can get via the tax payer,and they live better than some tory toffs
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W Smith,

Middle East 12/05/2009 08:27:06
Some of the Scottish wide boys who are on the take are catholics and some are proddies - WHO CARES?

Gorbals Michael fought a legal battle trying to stop these expenses being published.

Now its pay back time!

End of story.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 12/05/2009 08:29:41
I see the Labour Party has been on the phone to The Scotsman encouraging an article in which NOT ONE SINGLE Labour Party member is mentioned.

Does the Hootsman honestly expect the people of Scotland to read this and immediately go back to supporting Labour.

Simple question for Scots to answer at the Euro election: Who is better at putting forward Scotland case within Europe?

I think the last two years has shown us just who is for Scotland and who is against us.

This is a question that has gone unanswered from unionists: If there were an action that would benefit the union and the rest of the UK, but would be detrimental to Scotland and it's people - would you support that action.

We all know the answer we would get from the Westminster-Centred unionist parties.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:32:46
So the nats throw sectarian jibes at the speaker then whine about being pulled up for it. Perfect.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 12/05/2009 08:33:10
#75
There again. If the 70% voted for the SNP we would get the same result, wouldn't we.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 12/05/2009 08:33:39
hey grahamski why dont you go to west lothian,and see all the protestant bile in some villages
smashing green traffic lights,telling buisnesses to get rid of green in their logo
and i heard one village had a union jack with the red hand of ulster on it flying as you entered the village
then again what do we expect from you,who sees it ok to dump londons radioactive contaminated soil,from the olympic site,in falkirk
take yer heid oot yer archibald
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tommy,

belfast uk 12/05/2009 08:34:20
Dont be too quick to judge-- Maybe these funds came from their own pension schemes-- surely by now these must be the only ones left intact
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 08:42:24
69 Grahamski,


I was entirely unaware of Michael Martin’s religious affiliations until you brought the subject up.
It remains a matter of no concern to me how this guy chooses to worship whatever god he may happen to believe or indeed not believe in.

As far as the “Gorbals” description is concerned, perhaps in some ways this may indeed be seen as pejorative.
Particularly to those good people of that part of Glasgow who would not wish to be associated with this individual.

Maybe I am a “Gorbals Teuchter”.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:47:12
84
The point here is that rightwing tories sneered at Mr Martin's background and religion. That the nats chose to emulate this vile behaviour is regrettable.
A defence of ignorance doesn't make the behaviour any less reprehensible.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 12/05/2009 08:51:25
the gorbals is another scottish area,like in most cities,is an area that is deprived
and as usual they have a sitting labour MP/MSP/Councillor
what i dont understand is ,i have lived in areas like the gorbals,and not once do you see ,your MP etc doing something really positive for the area
you get what you vote for,but being poor and hearing of vast sums of cash,going into the pockets of these grubby little men,must annoy some
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 08:51:39
Grahamski

The first person to call him "Gorbals Mick" today was our own Mr Smith (Tory).

I too think it's pathetic to slag someone off because of where they came from. It's even worse if he didn't come from there in the first place!

It's like calling you Stirling Graham.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 08:55:23
85

Stop. Grow up and behave yourself.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 08:56:29
87
Indeed, although a nearer comparison would be to sneer at me and call me 'Raploch Prod' which I'm sure the tories and those misguided nats would find hilarious...
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 08:57:29
89

Stop. Grow up and behave yourself.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 12/05/2009 09:01:51
Poor MP David Heathcoat-Amory, forced to put manure on his expenses.

Perhaps his constituents should have a whip round and see if they can't get a couple of tons of pig manure delivered to his front yard. After all he seems to like his manure but just doesn't seem to be able to afford it on his salary.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 09:03:26
Wouldn't it be good if we could track down all these politcians who railed against benefits cheats and have a right good look at their expenses?
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:03:49
Grahamski.

Why did you bring up the guy's religion? Have you a hang up? The only person doing this is your good self.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 09:05:45
92

It would be better if we tracked down the benefit cheats instead, we could start with "Raploch Ski"......
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 09:06:19
An impressive if not a devious way to reduce the damage these expenses would have had on the Tory election machine by the Telegraph. Imagine if you would all of the revelations being published in one go. The damage to the Labour Government wouldn’t have been half as damaging. Our own Alex Salmond the First Minister’s errors would have been lost within the menu. Yes the Telegraph certainly knows how to spin news which would have potentially been even more damaging to no more than evens with that of the Government. I think with all of the damaging news for the Government lately the Telegraph would expect that would carry over these events negating the damage to the Tory election machine.
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John S,

12/05/2009 09:06:38
Grahamski - Your mentions so far:-
#28 catholic
#35-catholics
#47-catholics
#65-catholic
#85 -religion

I am a retired working class Catholic but not from Glasgow and I support the SNP, I use to be a Labour Party supporter.
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Class On Grass,

Trespassing 12/05/2009 09:07:44

Why are they still there? The queen should have dissolved this dishonourable rabble by now.
Above reproach? Maybe evolutionary above a roach, but certainly the same exo-skeleton.

#59 Maybe you should try to Wiki trespass law in Scotland (yes I do read other articles)

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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:08:35
Grahamski at #45

"Because the use of the name 'Gorbals Mick' is an attack on Mr Martin's religion and background by sneering tories."

Garbage. Are you seriously saying that the "Gorbals" jibe has anything to do with religion? You've lost it here mate.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 09:08:40
96
As a catholic SNP supporter I'm sure seeing your fellow nats indulge in cheap sectarian jibes for petty point scoring makes you very proud indeed...
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 09:08:48
97

Why?
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 09:09:37
Raploch Ski

Stop. Grow up and behave yourself.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:10:35
Grahamski

In the Gorbals there's a Muslim Elderly Day Care Centre. Would this be for RC Muslims?

LOL

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 09:11:11
98
Meths,
Nothing to do with the Gorbals - that is a sneering piece of anti-Scottish invective.
The word mick is a pejorative term for an Irish catholic. Gorbals mick....see how clever and amusing those tories are, I'm sure they're laughing like drains down that old boy's club, what?
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 12/05/2009 09:12:57
I would also like to encourage anyone who recently refurbished there Bog to send the old toilet seat to:

The Right Honourable John "2 Loo's" Prescott
Her Majesties Piggery
Westmidden, UK


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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 09:15:49
Voters shouldn't really be shocked by the expenses claims of Conservative Party MPs?

It's only what you expect from the Tories!

However, one of the most bizarre claims was made by the one and only Scots Conservative MP David Mundell who claimed back the cost of four £30 wreaths he laid at Remembrance Day Ceremonies?

Lest We Forget: Mundell was totally unapologetic about these insulting claims when interviewed by journalists!
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Gina Gibson,

Wales 12/05/2009 09:19:44
Grahamski, why do you keep going on about religion?

He is called Mick because it is short for Michael...get it??
YOU are the only person to have seen a religious connection.

As for the gorbals connection, that is down to the geographic ignorance of english journalists regarding "No Mean City" as a tourist guide.

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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:19:56
Grahamski

He's called Mick 'cos his name is Michael ya bampot.

If his name was William Martin, he'd have been called Gorbals Billy. Would this have been anti-prod?

Grow up.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:22:16
Thank God the speaker wasn't called Timothy Martin.
If he was nicknamed Gorbals Tim, Grahamski would be foaming at the mouth.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:22:37
ps

Grow up!
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 12/05/2009 09:22:40
#80
I see the spoilers have successfully side-tracked the thread, and in addition got in anti-SNP jibes like #80, when all that #27 did was refer to a nickname given by Tories.

As #84 said - It was YOU Grahamski who brought up the subject of his religion - and then have the gall to accuse the SNP posters of "throwing sectarian jibes"

"Gorbals Mike"?? Well, his name IS Michael, so I think the "Mike" refers to that and not his religion. "Gorbals"?? Well, apparently the English Tory MPs thank that's just a derogatory term for anyone from Glasgow.

Grahamski, it is YOU that started the sectarian rubbish, and then it is YOU that then accused the SNP posters of starting it. That's a tactic we are well used to, living in a Scotland dominated by Labour for decades. Thankfully, that period in our history is over.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 09:23:49
110
Make excuses all you want. The nats seem to be happy to ignore a boorish tory's anti-Scottish, anti-working class and anti-catholic sneering because the target just happens to be a Labour MP. Pathetic.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 09:25:01
@#98 Mèths – You can’t be naive enough to believe the usage of that name doesn’t have sectarian connotations.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 09:26:38
89 Grahamski

I note that you use the “Raploch” area in Stirling in a rather disparaging manner.

Would you care to explain who exactly created this and other similar sink council house schemes in the first place?

I will give you a clue:

It was the Labour Party.
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57vintage,

Keith 12/05/2009 09:27:04
Grahamski, I am with you on the origins and right wing prejudice behind the sniping at The Speaker by those who find it intolerable that a working class Glaswegian can be elevated to such a position, but I have to confess that I assumed and believed that the "Mick" bit was derived from his name rather than suggesting sectarian motive.

Maybe that's because up here in the forgotten and neglected NE, despite the efforts of some organisations and influential individuals, the whole Billy/Dan, proddy/tim, green/blue nonsense is regarded as just that.

And welcome back brownlie, you old Kingsmills devil - where have you been?
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:29:16
John MacLean (Gorbals) in 1923 said in his Manifesto:-

"Before England is ready I am sure the next war will be on us. I therefore consider that Scotland’s wisest policy is to declare for a Republic of Scotland, so that the youths of Scotland will not be forced to die for England’s markets."
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 09:29:59
116
I didn't use it in a disparaging manner, I used it as an example of how an area with working-class connotations can be used as a jibe. If you knew the Raploch you would know that a new community college has recently been opened and the local coimmunity have gone to tremendous lengths to make their environment a better place.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:31:02
... and agian in 1923

"The increasing poverty and misery in Gorbals ought to convince the most conservative workers that all the "Woolworth" pottering of the petty politicians of all the "practical" parties (the Labour Party included) has brought no improvement into the life of the citizens of the Gorbals."
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 09:31:26
@#113 For Scotlands Future – Listen to me carefully, it has to do with the possible connotations which people choose to exploit. Yes his name is Michael but this is Scotland and the alarm bells should ring when possible sectarian responses are possibly in use.
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Sgian Dubh,

12/05/2009 09:32:46
Grahamski,
My Late Mother, lived with Michael Martin's uncle for nearly twenty years. The whole family are not to be trusted as far as you could throw them. My mum's partner's two sons, Owen Martin Jnr and the other half-wit, who's first name escapes me, wanted my mum's house sold from under her to prop up their flagging bank accounts after my mum looked after their father through a long illness during which time the sons NEVER visited or called. The older one only turned up after his father's death to see what was due him. The younger one had to be reported to the police for making abusive calls to my mum before and after his father's funeral which he did not attend! Bloody cheats and liars them all. Looks like Michael Martin is of the same blood.
If you know any of the Martin family, you'll know they are indefensible.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 09:32:50
117
I fully accept that in the NE the everyday use of sectarian epithets is thankfully rare. Rest assured the loathsome tories were well aware of the sectarian connotations of the term 'mick'.
It would help if the cybernats would realise that repeating rightwing tories anti-working class and anti-catholic invective does them no favours.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:33:15
Anndra

I fully am aware of the connotations of using the word "Mick". What's yer point? Are you trying to sidetrack also?

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Scottie,

South Africe 12/05/2009 09:35:32
Why do all the residents and taxpayers just put up with this nonsense and ridiculous expense? What a cushy job these guys have got!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 09:43:07
119 Grahamski,

This being the case, why would you not be proud to be known as the “Raploch prod”.

“Prod” obviously being short for someone who was “prodding for greater benefits for my community”.

Or did you have a different meaning in mind?
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 09:43:24
@#124 Mèths – The trick is in the connotation and if you had realised your error the use and degree of sidetrack would have been averted. He was right about its possible use end of story. It was you who fell into the trap. Why not acknowledge the possibility of his point and leave it there.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 09:45:56
Grahamski calm down. Now you have a point - the use of the phrase Gorbals Mick does indeed have connotations when used by the kind of sneery Tories who don't believe a working class man should have the Speakers Chair.

But that's not what most readers here will understand the phrase to mean. How many English (and I use the word advisedly in this cotext ) Tories post on here ?

Anyway Mr Martin will be dealt with by the voters in North Glasgow. Of that I am sure.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:49:13
129

Trap? A name coined by an oink from the SE? Blethers man - pure blethers.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 09:49:38
@#130 Observer - The problem is Mr Martin will not be dealt with by the voter while he is speaker.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 09:51:18
133 It is only a convention that you don't stand against the Speaker. Watch this space.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 09:51:42
Raploch Ski

Do you know Gorbals Mick personally?
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:52:37
Anndra

PS - error? Most posters today are saying that Grahamski is typing bawbags. Begone.

(Almost as much bawbags as you posted re Robin Cook a couple of years ago)
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 12/05/2009 09:54:26
127

Nope, no recollection but am happy to be reminded. You can camp in my garden if you so wish but since I don't have one, you can camp in my croft with the cattle and sheep.

Not sure what your point is here, but then again, I'm also not sure of Raploch Ski's point either.
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Sgian Dubh,

12/05/2009 09:55:55
I hope he does, if so, pass on to his family, in particular Owen Martin Jnr, that after I bought his father's share of my mum's house, I kept it for a year before selling it on for a 'handsome' profit and Owen's big brother could do nothing about it! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 09:56:03
@#132 Mèths - Stop for a second and think. How many posts have you wasted on this off topic aspect on this subject so far which would have been better suited with better usage of language. An acknowledgement of the possible use of a sectarian used word would have shown your understanding.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 09:56:21
Grahamski, keep up the fight. Onward to a Scottish secular socialist republic.
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Sgian Dubh,

12/05/2009 09:56:40
My 139 is directed at 135, sorry.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 12/05/2009 09:58:04
# Grahamski.

You are a perfect example of a Labour Party sectarian rabble-rouser.

You are the type of Labour activist found in Glasgow, Coatbridge, Airdrie and your own Falkirk; when all else fails play the sectarian card - a tried and tested frightener that has proved successful for decades.

I'm sure you were part of the sectarian alliance that was instrumental in the deselection of Denis Canavan in Falkirk West, but expect you to deny it.

Unfortunately for you, but fortunately for the people of Scotland, the sectarian card, now, only plays with the small collection of knuckle draggers who attend Ibrox and Celtic Park.

Now begone, and take your bitterness with you. Your fake outrage is recognised for what it is: fake outrage.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 09:58:43
141

I'd buy that. Hmm .. SSSR - or in Russian CCCP. You've got something there Mr Ego!
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 10:00:56
Anndra

Mair bawbags. Away and address the rest of the posters who think Grahamski's a numptie.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 10:02:27
Some of you folks should google Gorbals Mick and see the kind of anti Scottish and anti working class bile that comes back at you. It's objectionable.

Particularly as what is really objectionable about Martin is that he presides over one of the poorest constituencies in Europe, with his son presiding over the Holyrood equivalent. Keeping it in the family.

But as much as I despise the Martins aand all they represent it doesn't put me in the same camp as the rabid looney right. His name is Michael Martin.
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John S,

12/05/2009 10:02:27
#134 Observer,, You are correct:-
Speakers and general elections
Speakers still stand in general elections. They are generally unopposed by the major political parties, who will not field a candidate in the Speaker's constituency - this includes the original party they were a member of. During a general election, Speakers do not campaign on any political issues but simply stand as 'the Speaker seeking re-election'.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 10:02:43
@#136 Mèths – Just because Grahamski is typing in the way you put it doesn’t mean you are right with this point.
Remind me about the re Robin Cook posting of mine.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 10:08:21
Observer

"Some of you folks should google Gorbals Mick and see the kind of anti Scottish and anti working class bile that comes back at you. It's objectionable."

That is my objection too. I have stated on UMPTEEN threads my objection to calling him Gorbals Mick. It is an insult - not to one particular faith - but to all Scots.

Have a read to at Quentin Letts in the Mail. He's an evil little oik. Here's a taste of his anti Scottish bile while commenting about the Speaker:

"Boy, he lost it. Gobblin', gabbling Gorbals Mick!"

...and ....

"What followed was a puce-cheeked, finger-wagging, dooon't-you-cross-me-Jimmy tantrum, improper from any chairman of any parish meeting let alone the Speaker of a Commons in crisis."

Letts is a disgrace.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 10:09:40
150 a lot of people think that Martin won't actually stand. He wants to hand his seat over to his boy. But if he does stand I am fairly certain the SNP will stand against him. They've made gains in the Council in North Glasgow, previously rock solid Labour, but no more. Nowhere in Glasgow is.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 10:10:03
Anndra

"Remind me about the re Robin Cook posting of mine."

No. Your modus operandi is to deflect the thread. Find it yourself.

(site:scotsman.com "Anndra Ailean)

Miss out the brackets of course!
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 10:11:05
Ach the thread's all gone haywire thanks to Grahamski.

Here's yer post Anndra, but I won't comment further about it.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/ViewArticle.aspx?articleid=3336695&CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#1315462
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 10:11:56
153 Yes. I don't know why Grahamski threw the sectarian rocket into the mix it's quite un-necessary. It's just not a name I think Scots should use as it denigrates all of us.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 10:12:13
First Minister Peter Robinson, Democratic Unionist Party MP AND MLA for North Down, is presently under severe pressure from the media in Northern Ireland for receiving THREE salaries, and employing his wife and
FOUR other members of his family, who are paid out of taxpayers cash!

Last year, Mr and Mrs Robinson and their family earned £550,000 per annum between them in salaries and allowances from their House of Commons and Northern Ireland Assembly employment!

According to the Belfast Telegraph, between 2005 and 2008, the Robinson family received well over over
£1 million from the taxpayer!

Before he retired from politics, Ian Paisley held THREE political offices as an MP, MEP, AND MLA in Northern Ireland.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 10:17:09
@#146 frank mcbride – Remind us who used the name in question first on this thread was it Grahamski or those he accuses.
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Beergut,

Embra 12/05/2009 10:17:16
Wot! No Michael Ancram? Even the Torygraph mentioned his mortgage-free three properties worth £8m and still claiming expenses. Is there some reason the good Marquess doesn't get a mention in the Hootsmon?
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Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 10:17:58
146

Frank, you have learned a lot from the master in fake outrage ie Alex Salmond.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 10:19:32
160 But that's what we need to be clear about with the Speaker - he's not there to act as a check on MP's. He's there to look after their interests. He's like their shop steward.

A new MP will be taught how to fill out expenses claims before they are shown how to vote. They will be told it is ''poor form'' to underclaim. They will be told that claiming every expense going is legit, because MP's are underpaid, and the expenses takes their salary level up to what they should be (in their view)

That's what they think. That's why Martin was so raging yesterday in the House he nearly had a heart attack.

They think they're hard done to.

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Mèths,

12/05/2009 10:20:04
161

It was W Smith - the Tory poster.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 12/05/2009 10:20:45
What is the prospect of a Tory/BNP/SNP alliance after the general election?
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John1,

Stirling 12/05/2009 10:21:02
I see we have here the usual streams of irrelevant anti-Tory invective which characterise a certain type of anti-union poster. When will Scotland wake up to the fact that the socialist parties have done more damage to Scotland than anyone? Once in power, the socialists behave the way the think (assuming they do think) the 'upper crust' would behave. I have a working class pedigree any socialist would give his right arm for. I'm a Tory and I have friends in the Raploch. What do the class warriors make of that?
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brownlie,

12/05/2009 10:30:30
167

About the same prospect as you posting a modicum of sense.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 10:35:27
@#157 Mèths – The life of a conscientious objector is an admirable one from the viewpoint that all wars are bad. My post about Mr Cook was pointing out there is a difference between the philosophical and the ugly face we see in retrospect. Many MPs will be thinking this very point after the revelations regarding their corrupt behaviour legally stealing tax payers money.
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Mèths,

12/05/2009 10:36:55
173

Post noted. Thanks.
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Tebbit,

Fortrose 12/05/2009 10:40:51
171 Brownlie

What happened to the apology from David Maddox to you on the Steamie it is disappeared.
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brownlie,

12/05/2009 10:47:44
175 Tebbit

Don't know, It was there this morning when I looked. Maybe they didn't want Maddox's fans reading about his "climb down".
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 12/05/2009 10:48:36
#163, Walter.

There was no outrage, fake or otherwise, in my comment at #146.

It was, simply, a statement of fact.

BTW, all Grahamski's comments are hysterical in every sense of that word: yours, on the other hand are, generally, irrelevant.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 10:58:45
178
It's not my fault that nats are so blinkered that they'll pick up a right-wing tory slug's vile insults on working class Scots just so they can score a cheap point.
You nats don't need to use that epithet, you don't need to get into the gutter. Why do it.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 11:06:51
@#170 IndependentlyInclined – A party standing on the premise it wished to take our country into independence would have to be against the status quo I would hope and so against the union – anti-union. Why don’t you try and find a bad quote of mine to batter me across the head instead of these reasonable ones. Point me if you would to where I have said my own party the SNP are anti-trade union.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 11:10:45
@#179 Grahamski - Your point has been noted so move on. You are not trying to tell me there aren't unionists who don't fall foul on our beliefs on equality.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 12/05/2009 11:11:28
# 179, Grahamski.

I would have prefered that he was given the epithet, "The Springburn Champagne Socialist" - it has a nice alliterative ring to it, doesn't it? But I suppose that would have been a slight on the hard working families of Springburn.

However, I'm glad to see that you have not tried to defend your other agenda.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 11:16:14
182
Sorry, anti-catholic too!
181
I hear ya....let's move on.
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 11:19:39



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See that a line has been drawn.
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caithness,

12/05/2009 11:20:01
'Gorbals Mick' shows the contempt people bave for Michael Martin. I think I read it first in Private Eye. Yes, it should be Springburn Mick (or Muck) but it's funny.
PS I know the Raploch very well. It's had millions spent on it over the years and still every few years houses get boarded up, renovated and then more boarded up. It has quite a few problem families dumped in it which make life for the majority of Raploch people intolerable. But because of the govt's laws these people know they have a right to housing so what do they care?
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hoblar,

12/05/2009 11:20:21
One of the main criteria of a 'speaker' in any political forum (if the house of commons can be described as such) is to, er, how can I say it plainly, oh aye: 'speak'.

He has no oratory ability whatsoever, but then he comes from a talentless batch of the type new labour are used to attracting, his accent doesn't matter, it is his lack of talent and speaking that matters.

'Speaking' is in his job description, and anybody, regardless of whether they are the dreaded tories (new labour in a blue basque as we know) witnessed the public disaster of him recently failing miserably to articulate yet another of the multitude of mishaps the new labour government in unprecedented crisis had to explain a few months back.

The few dedicated types who talk new labour mince on here throughout the comments can obviously vote new labour if they like, but don't pretend that the 'speaker' was anything other than an incapable politician out of his depth (way way out) as he read out a pre prepared statement on the police raid at Westminster in a manner that would have had a teacher in primary 5 telling him off.

As to this dreamer:

"The mind set in Scotland will not change - like fools many Scots will go right back to Labour at the next elecction.

Talk about being thick."

Aye?

That would be the Scotland that voted new labour out of our Scottish Parliament two years ago.

Not so thick then, you can keep hoping I suppose but calling Scottish voters thick when the support for new labour is at the lowest ever, and when there is a SNP Scottish Government must mean you are a new labourite.

That is the dying breed throughout these Isles.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 11:20:22
184
And I won't cross it..........
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 12/05/2009 11:22:03
185
Just can't help themselves, can they?
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 11:25:15
@#188 Grahamski - Ignore it or report it as unsuitable as a possible sectarian use of language.
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Nik,

Embra 12/05/2009 11:30:43
Hi Brownlie.

What was the apology from David Maddox for? This sounds interesting. I might have to start reading 'The Steamie'!
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 12/05/2009 11:34:54
#139 good for you,yep stick it to the man as the yanks love saying,or is it mad mandy?,hmm hard to tell
i read how your mum looked after her partner ,and those 2 leeches were only wanting to see how much cash they thought was theirs,boy i wish i could have seen their greedy coupons crumple into abject misery
just shows that ,micks lot put cash before family
rub it into them for many a year
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Anndra Ailean,

12/05/2009 11:42:15
Here's one for the cooking pot how does a multi millionaire party leader need extra money to pay off their home from expenses.
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TWC,

exLabour 12/05/2009 12:38:00
I see Ms Moran is going to pay the money back, I hope that doesn't mean the police won't be taking a look.
A load of tories will do the same but It just isn't enough.

This Parliament needs to be dissolved and a General Election held, nothing else will clean the slate and allow us all to start again.
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brownlie,

12/05/2009 13:49:10
190 Nik

Sorry, I've only just noticed your post.

It was to do with Maddox's campaign against cybernats. I had posted two innocuous comments on the Steamie which he objected to and inferred that I was lacking in intelligence and hiding behind the anonmymity afforded by the internet in using the moniker brownlie which he interpreted as Brown-Lie - a dig at the Prime Minister - rather than my actual name.

I replied on my blog at sloopjohnb-brownlie.blogspot and he printed an apology this morning - which has now been withdrawn.

In view of the fact that it has been withdrawn, at the moment I'm considering what further action, if any, to take.
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Nik,

Embra 12/05/2009 13:59:03
Hah hah hah!

What a moron! That's made my day :)


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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 14:10:42
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Brownlie

What I noticed when Douglas Fraser took issue with the ''cybernats'' on the Herald and called them ''vermin'', was that it basically made his position as an inter-active journalist untenable. Because he had displayed his active hostility so blatantly, everything he said was analysed on that basis. Eventually all comments on his articles were suspended.

He made a very foolish move, and so has Maddox, associating unpleasant posters with a particular point of view. Other journalists such as MacWhirter have made justified comments about the unpleasantness of posts left on his blog, but it is the individual poster he has the issue with, not their political viewpoint.

But then MacWhirter is a fair journalist. I think it's reasonable to conclude that Maddox, like Fraser, is not. Maddox is digging himself into the same hole that Fraser did. But I don't think there will be a job at the Beeb for him.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 12/05/2009 14:21:42
Well done Alex Salmond for having the unique good grace to admit that you did something untoward.
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brownlie,

12/05/2009 14:29:53
200 Observer

Yes, I would have thought that if Mr Maddox had wanted to vent his spleen on anonymous bloggers he could have picked on the comments the other day attempting to associate Salmond with rent-boys/prostitutes or the other accusing an MP of child-molestation. Of course, they were supposed to be from "unionists" and he wanted to pick on a "cybernat" who made quite mild and constructive comments on his blog. He now claims the article was withdrawn because there was a "mistake" in it. Perhaps Mr Maddox will be more cautious and selective in future and shy away from his usual generalisations.
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Sgian Dubh,

12/05/2009 14:38:28
#'s 195, 196, 197

I like your style!
180

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 14:41:31
202 Perhaps, but I doubt it. I think he will continue seeing what he wants to see, as opposed to what is actually there.
181

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 12/05/2009 16:12:16
Cameron has an uphill job trying to knock out this tendency to theft from taxpayers in his own back yard. I think he has more chance of success and will take muuch more definitive action than Broon, who tends to follow the inert line of trying to preserve privilege and political survival beyond governing the country properly and keeping the pigs out of the trough. This he thinks is where he holds the whip hand, because he does seem to employ brutal tactics among which are threats to deselect MPs stepping out of line.

This does not absolve Cameron of taking a tough line - he must do as some of these excesses from his own sty indicate. The tragedy is that this affair devalues politicians of all parties and derogates the respect they should have from the subjects of the UK.
182

Florence,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 16:59:04
TO GRAHAMNSKI: The contempt in which Michael Martin is held has nothing to do with his working class background or his religion. Who cares about his religion and how many people do you think know he is a Catholic? Betty Boothroyd came from a working class background and was a wonderful Speaker.
There certainly wouldn't be the mayhem at Westminster there is now if she had still been in the Speaker's chair. Martin is out of his depth - always has been. He was given a position way beyond his capabilities and obviously has never understood the responsibilities and necessary impartiality of the Speaker's role.
183

TWC,

exLabour 12/05/2009 17:55:39
205 The Former Mr. Angry,

I thought Cameron did well at least he took some action but he should have sacked someone.

Florence , i think Gorbals Mick's day's are numbered some Labour guys want him to go and if Gordo's secret police go after him he's toast.

That's if gordo ever dithers his way to a decision.

184

notanat,

West Lothian 12/05/2009 18:06:47
Back on the irrelevant Scotsman site for the first time in months, I’d forgotten what a hoot Grahamski’s trolls can be. Pathetic today, defending the ignoramus Mick Martin - known to everyone as Gorbals Mick – as “a catholic working class boy”. Sure, there has been pigging out in all parties, but he just does not get the irony of this “working class boy” being the biggest hypocrite of all. And making an issue of his being “catholic” then alleging religious prejudice in others is classic.

(Martin may be Catholic but he is certainly not catholic!)
185

John1,

Stirling 12/05/2009 18:32:06
176 IndependentlyInclined
What I said was: "the socialist parties have done more damage to Scotland than anyone? "
How does that gell with your comment? The policies you embrace (apart from separatism) are Conservative. Why not elect them, get the prosperity we need, and forget the whining I was compaining about?
186

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 12/05/2009 18:53:13
You have to feel for poor old Grahamski - its been a trying week for the lad, and its clearly hell having to support such a rable of thieves and scumbags that lurk in NEW LABOUR, simply because he has RANCID RIGHT
views.

Remind us Grahamski, if you will, of those every increasing child poverty figures, of pensioner poverty increases,and increased numbers of working familys entering poverty..... I'm waiting....
187

GOODBYE LONDON LABOUR,

Aberdeen 12/05/2009 21:15:06
Aberdeen's two Labour MPs, Frank Doran and Anne Begg , voted to close local post offices. I wonder how much they claimed in expenses at Westminster. There is a growing expectation that at the General Election Doran will lose his seat to the SNP and that Begg will go at the hands of either the SNP or the Lib Dems-such is the local anger at their betrayal of the Aberdeen electorate.
188

lachlan,

12/05/2009 21:53:47
i may be wrong but would any of this come to light without the dreaded european parliaments freedom of information act?
189

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Brianwci,

13/05/2009 01:44:56
Tory expenses: Clearing moats, hanging chandeliers and helipad work – all publicly funded....

I should jolly well thinks so too. If you don't like it ballywell go and vote Green or SNP.

Eh, I think we're ahead of you there sir, but bless you for sharing.

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John1,

Stirling 13/05/2009 10:04:04
211 Ronald Penman
"Rancid Right"? All these events have taken place with a Labour government. Vote Conservative.

212 danielrober,
I assume you have looked at the legal view of your situation? What kind of tenancy do you have? Consult a solicitor.
Good luck.

 

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