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Local income tax 'would be illegal'



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Published Date: 27 May 2008
THE Scottish Government's plan for a local income tax has been dealt another blow after an expert said it would break European and UK law.
Professor Chris Himsworth told MSPs that a European treaty ratified by Westminster could kill off the idea of replacing the council tax with a fixed local income tax of 3p in the pound.

The Edinburgh University law professor believes the move woul
d be in breach of the Council of Europe treaty known as the European Charter of Local Self-government.

In his submission to Holyrood's local government committee, Prof Himsworth said the charter was legally binding because it had been ratified at Westminster. He pointed out that articles 7 and 9 enshrined the right of councils to vary their own levies, and that this would be removed in the Scottish Government's proposal for a fixed income tax charge.

"It seems to me that a proposal to remove from Scottish local authorities any power at all to determine the level of their own financial resources through local taxation is almost certainly in breach of Article 9," he said.

David McLetchie, the Scottish Tories' local government spokesman and a member of the committee, said: "I would be very surprised if the Scottish Govern-ment had looked into the potential effect of this charter, given how flaky their background work seems to have been for this proposal."

But a spokesman for the Scottish Government said ministers were looking at the legal issues as part of their consultation.

"We are currently consulting on our proposals and are asking if councils could be given the power to set any rate of local income tax they choose, whether they could have the power to vary the rate within a defined range or whether to set a single national rate of 3p in the pound," he said.

"We will bring forward proposals to abolish the council tax and replace it with a local income tax that will be within devolved competence."

Prof Himsworth will give further evidence to the committee tomorrow, along with two other experts, Professor Richard Kerley, of Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh, and Professor Alan Page, of Dundee University.

The committee is looking at the legal competence of the local income tax proposal to feed into the Scottish Government's consultation process.

BACKGROUND

THIS is not the first time the legality of the SNP's proposals for a fixed 3p local income tax to replace the council tax have been questioned.

Professor Richard Kerley, a local government expert from Queen Margaret University, the UK government and David McLetchie, the Conservative local government spokesman, have all raised legal problems. They have argued the Scotland Act may make the SNP's fixed rate local income tax unconstitutional because it would be a national tax.

The Treasury added another difficulty by saying it will withhold £400 million of council tax benefit if the council tax is abolished in Scotland.



The full article contains 490 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Highland Mighty,

27/05/2008 00:06:21
Did the SNP do ANY homework on this?!

Yet again the fallacy and HYPOCRISY of the SNP demanding fiscal autonomy from Westminster while denying it to local councils is torn apart.

Oh, and Salmond, please can you repeat the spin how this year's DECREASE in police numbers shows you are on target for your manifesto pledge an INCREASE of 1,000 new police (a 'promise' quickly dropped by the SNP but then forced through by the Tories)? It's just that a few of us love to see you wriggle!
2

Jimmy the Pie,

27/05/2008 00:10:25
Another day another scare story from a soon to be extinct 'newspaper'. Quite sad really.

Hello Highland - not heard from you for a while.

Have you been posting under another moniker???
3

Richardinho,

27/05/2008 00:13:02
I know enough about politics and law to know that for every 'expert' pronouncing on things, there's another who'll say the opposite. Also, regardless of what this law says, I don't doubt that there will be means and ways round it.
4

Jimmy the Pie,

27/05/2008 00:15:47
Highland, when you use capital letters are you shouting?

As for election promises, are you really stupid enough to think they will all be implemented in the first year?? By a minority government at that??
The Scottish electorate seem happy with Alex and Co.

Try a different moniker - maybe British Pride or English Master???
5

Callum MacPherson,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 00:17:45
Grow up Highland Mighty, of course they've researched it. Don't be so childish.
6

Backofthenet,

27/05/2008 00:27:14
The Scottish government can of course increase the basic (non-local) rate of income tax to raise funds, which they could then spend or distribute. Do they feel this option would be too unpopular?
7

Sanny,

Portugal 27/05/2008 00:31:44
Here we go again - everyone and his dog telling the SNP what they can and cannot do.

All of this nonsense is resolved if Scotland becomes totally independent of both Westminster and Brussels, that would make us the masters of our own destiny. This said, we can be certain that the EU would stretch the rules to breaking point to keep one of the richest nations in Europe within the fold. This is the reason they put up with Westminster’s antics. If Scotland secedes from the UK I wonder what the EU’s attitude will be to the remaining rump.
8

Conan the Librarian™,

27/05/2008 00:32:32
2
Jimmy, perhaps he has been trying to sell his car?
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27/05/2008 00:41:30
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PaulW,

Borders 27/05/2008 00:47:13
Richard Kerley. Don't make me laugh! Ex-Labour councillor and party hack. The Scotsman isn't even trying hard to disguise they are trying to do Labour's dirty work for them.

Sadly I agree with Jimmy the Pie's conclusion that the Scotsman newspaper will be dead before long. Once with a circulation of more than 100000, surely it must now be not more than 50,000. There are none so blind than those that will not see.
11

Jimmy the Pie,

27/05/2008 00:51:11
Has anyone heard of any recent utterances from Red Wendy of late???

Or is she hiding again???
12

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 27/05/2008 01:03:20
The UK government already appears to be ignoring the "Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities" and possibly also does not comply with some other terms agreed with the CoE. Introducing the CoEinto this subject could backfire spectacularly.
13

Conan the Librarian™,

27/05/2008 01:29:52
9
Mother,(it is you isn't it mater?)
Just how many Scottish Government incentives have now been deemed "possibly illegal" by this effin rag?
14

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 27/05/2008 01:38:25
Another Prof with a headline-making article. Just because they have 'Professor' in front of their name doesn't mean they have endless integrity or are neutral for that matter. If it's not Professors of Geomorphology campaigning against the Aberdeenshire Trump development, it's political professors trying to talk down SNP policies. It does help to sell their books though.
15

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 27/05/2008 01:43:48
More opinions... very little facts.

The SNP should just demand that the powers be given to the Scottish Parliament and if not, let Labour take the fall for the continuence of the Council Tax. Perhaps we could give wee Wendy a referendum on this question.. a wee practise run for the real one. Maybe held the same day as the European election or even the Westminster vote.
16

Jimmy Fae the West,

Enbra 27/05/2008 01:45:07
I am stunned that some tory toff has forgotten that a new law allows authorities to increase levels of business taxation which comes under the same ruling has just been passed by Westminster. It seems that it must be just non-unionist supporting authorities who cannot alter taxation. Further, the tory toff has either forgotten or answers in ignarance that, any proposed alterations to Scotland's (Poll Tax) local taxation would be by national agreement and not by Westminster style diktat?
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27/05/2008 01:56:02
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/05/2008 02:07:18
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Candyman 8?

Chumrade, bordering on obsession?
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Matt there,

somewhere 27/05/2008 02:10:20
Rent-a-quote profs are wonderful.
20

Edward,

27/05/2008 02:12:23
the European Charter of Local Self-government was ratified by the new Labour governmet in April 1998
The Scotland Act had royal assent in November 1998
Basically the Scotish Government should just ignore the European Charter of Local Self-government which is a piece of legislation from the Council of Europe and nothing to do with the European Union
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Guga II,

Rockall 27/05/2008 05:10:11
#1 is yet another of those foreigners trying to tell us what we can and can't do.

22

Sod off labour!,

edinburgh 27/05/2008 05:57:35
Cancel the euro gravy train! Far too many politicians of every hue, feathering their nests. Too many councils here, duplicating things, and was not the 6 billion for the edinburgh tram system a good idea ? NOT. My windows and my kitchen could do with a renovation, could I please put in an expense form for that? Sorry perhaps that was Million, not billion, I'm getting confused, just like the great Gordon..... must really do better.
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Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 27/05/2008 06:09:25
This is not new. Swinney admitted as much a couple of months ago. Hence the delay in the SNP making detailed proposals. As he hinted at that time, we could end up with poll tax mark II.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 27/05/2008 06:19:15
I see the cyber hacks of SNP HQ have stopped even trying to give the impression that they are attempting to refute the report. Instead, all we see from them is a litany of personal attacks on the academic and on the publication. This is becoming something of a worrying trait as the SNP's policies crash and burn with each new scrutiny. By the end of their term they will be left with little more than bitterness and incoherence. Pretty much how they started out.
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Colin Wilson,

27/05/2008 06:36:40
"In his submission to Holyrood's local government committee, Prof Himsworth said the charter was legally binding because it had been ratified at Westminster."

Interesting. The UK parliament has ratified at least one other charter of the CoE, the Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, but has always insisted that the charter is NOT legally binding. There's an incoctency here that needs to be resolved.
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Colin Wilson,

27/05/2008 06:41:39
Re 25 : "incoctency" - "inconsistency". Half-asleep early morning typing. Sorry.
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 27/05/2008 07:40:31
I believe Mr Swinney doesn't actually care about this scheme. The guy isn't daft, he knows fine the legality of the issue.

Let's be honest, it isn't the best proposal but most local tax generation is the same. Can't please 'em all unfortunately.

Mr Swinney? Scrap it. Look at something else.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/05/2008 07:53:09
It dossn't matter if LIT is legal, or not. It is just another meaningless Monday morning policy release designed to generate headlines of a couple of days / a couple of weels / a couple of months. Same as SFT, same as 'fishing rights', nuclear-free Scotland, etc.

Empty Blairite headline-grabbing tosh. Surely if they were serious about LIT, some thought would have gone into it? Or do the exec need more than 12 months to come up with concrete, workable plans? I hope it is spin, because if they are serious about this, then the work done is pathetic.
30

Green booger,

27/05/2008 08:08:26
European law is supreme.

http://www.ukip.org/ukip/index.php
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Iain's,

Barcelona 27/05/2008 08:34:37
What is wrong with a local income tax? Those who can pay council tax should pay, those who cannot should not.

Here in Europe, they only pay lip service to European law. The UK is seen as a nut house where you follow every euro law like lambs to the slaughter.

Remember, you can change laws. Even European ones.

I should like to know the reference of the law that forbids local income tax. I doubt that it exists.

p.s. Why is my council tax only a tenth of that I paid in the UK? The services are just as good, if not better.

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Claire22,

27/05/2008 08:36:04
Whether it is illegal or not should not be the main story.

Maximum council tax in Edinburgh is £2338 at the moment.

A family income of more than about £78,000 will pay more than this in local income tax.

This is obviously a high income for a family but not that unusual. Just watch an exodus for the border of doctors, dentists, highly paid plumbers etc., etc.
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Alasdair,

27/05/2008 08:41:35
I don't know about the rest of you, but I love it when Highland Mighty CAPITALISES WHOLE WORDS for effect. It doesn't come across as at all childish and certainly adds gravitas to his already weighty comments.
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27/05/2008 08:43:26
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Melly,

Sussex 27/05/2008 08:52:36
"IT SEEMS TO ME that a proposal to remove from Scottish local authorities any power at all to determine the level of their own financial resources through local taxation is ALMOST CERTAINLY in breach of Article 9," he said.
He doesn`t seem very sure does he ? sounds like he`s got room to change his mind to me.
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Mikey,

27/05/2008 09:00:15
Claire, Just like all the fearties said of the same people after the Beveridge report!

Do try to keep your fantasies to yourself...
37

ddmc,

27/05/2008 09:06:46
not sure about the term national & what it extends too, which is the crux of the profs arguement.

Is Scotland a nation state within Europe or a region of the UK ? If were a region then we can vary tax rates, if not we can't. I realise this goes against SNP & Independence thinking but....

I agree #31 , we take the EU far to seriously, just do what we want & let the EU sue us if they want. But i dont see France, Greece, Italy or Spain giving 2 hoots, why should we.
38

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 27/05/2008 09:23:37
#24 Grahamski

Pathetic!
39

haggis 10,

27/05/2008 09:34:42
Roll on INDEPENDENCE A rolling stone gathers no political moss.!!!!!
40

sm753,

27/05/2008 09:36:35
If the Nats want to impose a "national" (across Scotland) tax of 3p/£, why aren't they using the existing Scotland Act "tartan tax" power which allows them to set a rate of, er, 3p/£?

Why pretend it's a local tax when it isn't?
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Boggle fey the Bog,

27/05/2008 09:43:06
http://www.doeni.gov.uk/lgrt_gov_appendix_2.pdf

Article 7 – Conditions under which responsibilities at local level are exercised

This is about the 'wages of and working conditions of coocillors'

Article 9 – Financial resources of local authorities

'3 Part at least of the financial resources of local authorities shall derive from local taxes and charges of which, within the limits of statute, they have the power to determine the rate.'

This would appear to be the clause the good professor is prattling on about.

the operative phrase is 'within the limits of statute', remedy, the Scottish government remove that discretion from 'statute' then no case to answer, or the tax is 'set locally' and under 'equalisation protection' (all in the same charter), is then 'adjusted nationally', and collected nationally, and redistributed in terms of the 'charter'.

However while we are on the subject, why did the same good 'professor', not chastise his 'Nu Labour/Owld Torie' paymasters, when they 'broke the 'law' '


5 The protection of financially weaker local authorities calls for the institution of financial
equalisation procedures or equivalent measures which are designed to correct the effects of the unequal distribution of potential sources of finance and of the financial burden they must support. Such procedures or measures shall not diminish the discretion local authorities may exercise within their own sphere of responsibility.

6 Local authorities shall be consulted, in an appropriate manner, on the way in which redistributed resources are to be allocated to them.

7 As far as possible, grants to local authorities shall not be earmarked for the financing of specific
projects. The provision of grants shall not remove the basic freedom of local authorities to exercise policy discretion within their own jurisdiction.

8 For the purpose of borrowing for capital investment, local authorities shall have access to the
national c
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Boggle fey the Bog,

27/05/2008 09:45:30
42 cont:

8 For the purpose of borrowing for capital investment, local authorities shall have access to the
national capital market within the limits of the law.

Everyone of the above sub-sections have been broken by Nu Labour/Owld Torie:

6. never consulted only dictated.

7. 'Ring Fencing' is illegal, was illegal and always will be illegal under this section, so why did Nu labour/owld Torie make 'ring fenced grants to' to local authorities e.g. education funding

8. Local Government Bonds, anyone? this would knock that argument on it's head.

Just more poorly researched, lies and innuendo from a truly discredited political pamphlet and a Nu Labour Lackey.
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Nikostratos,

27/05/2008 09:46:03
The one certainty emerging from all these constraints on the onward march of the snp to the sunny uplands of an 'Independent' Scotland.

Is even in a 'Independent' Scotland for majority of people it is going to be a lot like living within the 'Union' only the flavor may be slightly different.

Perhaps withdrawal from the E.U is the only answer. Don't know if Alex's is keen on that one even Norway is tied up with the The EEA Agreement..
No escape then Oh dear..................How about .........................'Independetish' for Scotland.........


#39 meths

Still he has moved up from writing 'P#sh'
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Gtj,

Dundee 27/05/2008 09:46:29
"Local income tax 'would be illegal'".

Oh no, not that old chestnut. This story has been recycled more than the Thames water.

Can someone give that needle a nudge.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 27/05/2008 09:59:33
Do trolls get recharged overnight?

If any council wants to give a rebate they could. There would be a local tax because it is spent locally. Another part of the EU constitution is that every member state must use PR for elections. The UK has been in breach of this since its membership started.

Get used to it kidos - there shall be a local income tax, end of story.
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Arfur,

27/05/2008 10:00:50
what absolute cack. this is the 5th time this paper / labour lovers have aposed an SNP pledge as illegal.

change the tune hootsman!

i mean how the h**l can it be illegal? we already get taxed on income, this is basically increasing that and getting rid of council tax.
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maximum,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 10:15:19
legal or illegal it is just a poor idea. As #41 points out already have a process to raise tax by 3p, why are they wasting our time and money endlessly looking into this. Just headline grabbing guff from the SNP again.
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Publius,

Girvan 27/05/2008 10:20:10
#41 sm753
48 maximum

You're right. LIT is not a 'local' income tax. It is the tartan tax masquerading under another name.
I doubt whether LIT will happen at all, but if it hits the taxapyers in the same year as a referendum on independence, won't that be fun?
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Publius,

Girvan 27/05/2008 10:25:14
#46 Alex the Laird
The European Charter of Local Self-Government has nothing to do with the EU. It was issued by the Council of Europe (not the EU), that largely proceeds by drawing up charters. And, so far as I am aware, the Charter of Local Self-Government is only an aspiration. The only Council of Europe charter that is legally enforcible is the Charter of Fundamental Rights
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kimba,

27/05/2008 10:33:58
Incompetence at the highest level,salmond,swinney are a joke.
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 27/05/2008 10:37:16
Interesting,what exactly ie UK law? I thought that when Scotland gave away its independence in 1707,it at least had the good sense to retain Scottish Law.If it is the case that the EU and Westminster does not acknowledge Scottish law,then it is certainly time for independence.Then the Scottish Parliament can decide whether to ratify EU laws or not.However,the allegation that LIT,as proposed is illegal appears to be based on flimsy evidence.

The urgent need to implement a system of local taxation based on ability to pay should take priority over party politics.Whatever the difficulties are in implemting a form of LIT,there is a need for all parties (including Labour) to find a way around those difficulties.It is amazing that while Labour advocate social justice ,their actions do not match their rhetoric.The Labour party in Scotland have still not developed the skills needed to provide constructive and positive opposition.
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cataibh,

Bo'ness 27/05/2008 10:49:50
If labour were in power instead of the SNP I would be paying an extra £129.00 to my annual 'community tax'.
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kimba,

27/05/2008 10:51:58
53. Indeed,are you a clairvoyant!
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Galaman,

Galashiels 27/05/2008 10:59:30
When are the powers-that-be in the Treasury going to learn that if there is no council tax, the need for any council tax benefits would automatically cease to exist?
Put another way, how can there be any need to help Joe Bloggs pay for something if that "something" doesn't exist??
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blair,

North Berwick 27/05/2008 11:02:45
This is the final proof that an Independant Scotland should not be a member of the EU but should negotiate a free trade deal like Norway. An Association of Nordic Nations would seem to be the way ahead with electrical power supplied by Hydro and Wave Energy to ensure independant energy for all needs.
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antifa,

27/05/2008 11:08:10
Even if it was legal, LIT would be a major erosion of local democracy.

I'm a bit surprised that the people on this board who are pro-independence are uninterested in local democracy. It's a strange inconsistency.

In my view, it would be a mistake to turn councils into little more than locally-based quangos, with no political character.

As most pro-independence people accept, decision-making power without tax-raising power, or other forms of fiscal autonomy, doesn't add up to a great deal.

It would be especially daft to do this, not as a matter of policy, but simply as a side effect of bringing in a fairer local tax.

Combined with the SFT plan, which envisages a major centralisation of capital investment plans, the LIT represents the effective end of local democracy.

That's why the EU won't allow it by the way, and why Prof. Himsworth is absolutely right in his submission to the Parliament.
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kimba,

27/05/2008 11:30:20
58. Think this applies to you now!

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59

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 27/05/2008 11:32:12
What a load of guff this "expert" is talking. Scandinavian countries have had local income taxes for years and they are all in Europe (excluding Norway).
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 27/05/2008 11:43:44
#59 I think we can safely call your film a complete pile of what-do-you-ma-call-it.

More importantly, the SNP must push ahead with independence and a local income tax. People who can pay should pay, those like pensioners who cannot pay should not pay. I thought this is called social justice and was supposed to be what Labour stands for.

Instead Labour has become nothing but a nasty and unprincipled bunch of snout-in-the-trough politicians who will use the next two years to create a "scorched earth" policy across the UK. They will sacrifice our country and all of us for daring to throw them out of their comfortable offices and lifestyle.
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kimba,

27/05/2008 11:47:33
58.In 2008, a lethal plague ("Reaper") has infected Scotland. As the country is walled off by the British government to quarantine the infected,excellent film!
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birddog,

Kilsyth 27/05/2008 12:02:55
In 1707, when the Act of Union was passed in the Scots Parliament, Article 3 shows quite clearly that the Parliaments of Scotland and England were held to be in abeyance ad interim and that a new Union Parliament was to be elected. It is important to note that both English law and Scots law were excluded from this Treaty of Union designed to set up a completely new United Parliament. What this means is that Scottish Civil Law and Scottish Constitutional Law were left un-compromised and that Scotland retained popular sovereignty. The people of Scotland remained the superior constitutional authority in Scotland and that is still the case today as we approach the year 2000. It was with the foregoing in his mind that in 1953 Lord Cooper of Cardross as Lord President of The Court of Session in the case of "McCormick v The Lord Advocate" pronounced that, "The unlimited sovereignty of Parliament has no counterpart in Scottish Constitutional Law". Thus Lord Cooper reaffirmed that Scotland not only has a written constitution but that it is alive and well. Extant in 1953, Scottish Constitutional Law now has an in situ Legislature ensuring that Scottish Sovereignty remains un-compromised and that only the will of the registered electorate in Scotland can change the status quo.
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27/05/2008 12:04:55
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kimba,

27/05/2008 12:07:15
63. On the contrary,it p---ed you off,and you would spit your dummy out if you heard what some English folk think of scotland!
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kimba,

27/05/2008 12:18:32
63.A taste of what England thinks.
And doesn't this just show how self-obsessed Scots are and how skewed is the debate?

Why is it presumed any referendum is about Scottish independence and not English independence?

Home rule for England.

John Bowman, Sarlat, France
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Deekie fae Midstocket,

Aberdeen 27/05/2008 12:20:22
Kimba
Go and crawl back under your stone in Sassenachland. You and your ilk are poison and have nothing to contribute to the real arguments regarding Scotland's future.
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Arfur,

27/05/2008 12:21:13
#66 kimba - about 6 months ago a local poll found that over 80% of residents in Carlyle would rather Carlyle was in Scotland rather than England.

Thats what some English folk think of England and how its run at the moment.
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kimba,

27/05/2008 12:22:55
63. And.....I think this is a very good idea.Give us English a vote and Scotland will be gone in no time.The long whine from the north will eventually fade, we will not only save a fortune, but lose a good part of the Cabinet while answering the West Lothian question.
Sorted.

robert everitt, wolverhampton,
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 27/05/2008 12:24:53
If Local income tax is illegal why is income tax legal ? -- surely some sort of anomaly - its like saying murder is illegal in Britain but it's OK if you do it locally ?! - there is something not right here .... this country is sooo screwed up it's just getting sad and ridiculous.

The disgusting bloated labour party reckon its fine to double council tax in 8 years and not OK to tax people according to their income !? Isn't that a bit strange for a 'socialist' party ?? The Labour clowns will never cease to amaze me how low they can stoop and how completely divorced from any principal they are. The other politicians are not much better but being the worst of a bad lot is still a pretty rotten write up!
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kimba,

27/05/2008 12:27:37
71. Please learn to spell "CARLISLE" correctly!
From one of your countrymen: Despite what the SNP agitators say, the majority of Scots (and the English for that matter) are perfectly happy with the status quo. I see nothing changing. A referendum will demonstrate that.

Scott, Glasgow,
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