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Published Date: 13 February 2009
MORE than half of Scotland's local authorities had agreed to freeze the council tax as of last night, with the others expected to follow.
The decisions made yesterday by 18 councils to back the freeze marked a victory for John Swinney, the finance secretary, in a tough week for the minister. He was still smarting from being forced to ditch his local income tax proposal on Wedn
esday.

With four councils already signed up to the council tax freeze before yesterday, it leaves only ten more to confirm it in the coming weeks. Council leaders said yesterday it was unlikely any would decide not to support the freeze.

Pat Watters, the president of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla), yesterday said he expected his colleagues to give their support.

Local authority leaders have questioned whether any council would risk the wrath of voters by exceeding an inflation rise in the council tax at a time of a recession.

As the £70 million offered by Mr Swinney covers an inflation rise, which would be withdrawn from councils if they increased the council tax, the view is that it would be better to take the government's money.

One of Mr Watters's deputies in Cosla, Neil Fletcher, a Liberal Democrat Aberdeen councillor, told The Scotsman: "The Scottish Government will penalise financially any council that raises council tax, hence making it impossible to do so. The money is more than inflation, but less than any council will need during the current economic conditions."

It means threats of rebellions by some of the councils over refusing to freeze council tax have ultimately proven to be hollow.

Yesterday, Alex Salmond, the First Minister, was already celebrating the second council tax freeze in a row since the SNP came to power.

During First Minister's Questions, he mocked the Conservative leader, Annabel Goldie, about her party's record. He said: "We know that when the council tax was introduced by the Conservative Party they put it up by 40 per cent. In the ten years from 1997 it went up another 60 per cent.

"The reason the council tax freeze in Scotland is so widely welcomed is that these parties, the council tax parties, managed to double it between them."

The Scotsman had already been told by 27 of the 32 councils that they would be freezing the council tax. Among the councils to do so yesterday was North Lanarkshire.

The council's finance convener, John Pentland, said: "By freezing council tax levels, we should maintain our record as having the lowest council tax levels in the west of Scotland."

However, many councils have issued warnings over the economic climate, combined with the lack of flexibility by being "forced" to freeze the council tax. East Dunbartonshire has said it will need to find £6 million worth of cuts, and in Falkirk there will have to be £9 million of savings.





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  • Last Updated: 13 February 2009 12:13 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Council tax
 
1

webwise,

Scotland 12/02/2009 22:31:32
The council tax freeze will help many on low incomes, it's just a shame that the Labour/Tory alliance at Holyrood effectively scuppered the removal of council tax and the introduction of LIT.

What also seems to have been forfotten this last day or so is the £1 billion of cuts that Labour will shortly inflict on Scotland.

However, despite the deliberately false headlines from the Scottish media LIT has not been ditched. The SNP will fight the next election with LIT at the helm in the hope that they can muster a majority at Holyrood to support it.

Labour have no ideas, no proposals and no vision - they exist only to read from a London prepared script.

Please, if you have the wellbeing of Scotland at heart, vote SNP.
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Rufus-T-Firefly,

12/02/2009 23:11:54
1 webwise,Scotland 12/02/2009 22:31:32
Please, if you have the wellbeing of Scotland at heart, vote SNP.
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Looks like desperation is setting in amongst the NatZ.

They are now using this forum to plead for votes.

How pathetic.
3

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/02/2009 00:21:49
Hmmm? Wasn't this wee story on here a couple of days ago?

Whatever. Groucho, why are you not on Lexx defending Stanley?
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Resolutions,

13/02/2009 00:46:56
#2 Desparation?

Your comment is pathetic. What ae you saying? That the 'opposition' have any policies for Scotland?

Really where?
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UK007,

13/02/2009 00:51:22
#RFT- Nice comment confirms the Beautiful Nice People political party is best.
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13/02/2009 00:55:30
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13/02/2009 01:09:36
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/02/2009 01:14:07
8, a proud doonhamer. That would be difficult to Con-troll.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 13/02/2009 01:14:27
#2 Rumpus (in his own head)

It is better to plead for votes, than to have the people bleed, under the jackboot of NuLabTory.
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13/02/2009 01:20:53
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donald,

glasgow 13/02/2009 05:00:57
The Unionist media keep repeating the Unionist Alliance propaganda. LIT has NOT been cancelled, merely POSTPONEDED, deferred until the SNP have a proper working majority in the Scottish Parliament to fight Westminster cutbacks.
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walter,

13/02/2009 06:59:06
A manifesto is a pledge of what a party will do in the following term in office if it wins the election being fought.

From the SNPs manifesto,
"We will scrap the unfair Council Tax and introduce a Local Income Tax set at 3p".
Now the SNP say they are not going to deliver what they promised in this term but will fight the next election on the same promise meaning they have "SCRAPPED" a manifesto promise.

Also from the SNPs manifesto
"However, with anticipated underspends of £200 million and a Scottish reserve of unallocated money worth some £800 million, there is a pool of potential available resources of £1 billion for next year".

The last exclusive had saved over the years to build a reserve for just such times as this.
The SNP in Holyrood just like Labour did when they came to power in Westminster spent every penny they could get their hands on so as to look good and kept nothing back for the hard times.

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drunken proffet,

Tassy 13/02/2009 07:45:30
It would be doubtful if the tax could be introduced economically without the benefit of the assets and workforce of the Inland Revenue. However when it does eventually get installed, the biggest complainants will be as usual those with three or four incomes going into the house. The world does not change, does it?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 13/02/2009 08:01:56
#16 Walter

“A manifesto is a pledge of what a party will do in the following term in office if it wins the election being fought.”

Yes indeed, and that is why this measure will be included in the next manifesto, when the SNP will ask the electorate for sufficient support to allow them to implement the policy.
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13/02/2009 08:59:54
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Time to Show Courage,

13/02/2009 09:05:41
#19 Rulesbutnotrulers

You really are a pathetic specimen. Whether LIT is a perfect solution to the unfair Council Tax, at least the SNP are putting forward a potential alternative. Answer this.......what is Labour's alternative? Or hasn't Brown found the time to tell Mr Grey what it is yet? Or perhaps the Coucil Tax is quite acceptable to Labourites.

Don't reply with your usual irrelevant waffle, give us all an answer. Put up or shut up.

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Scotsbloke,

Edinburgh 13/02/2009 09:09:23
I say well done to Swinney.

This is the first thing that the Government have done that actually matters to people.

If only they would concentrate on more things that make a difference to peoples lives rather than the usual political nonsense we see day in day out.
19

Boab1,

13/02/2009 09:12:16
'The Scottish Government will penalise financially any council that raises council tax, hence making it impossible to do so.'-that's a lie. The money set aside by the Scottish Government is to cover the councils' shortfall so that they can freeze CT. If they don't freeze CT they don't need the extra cash. They are penalising no one. Of course, the wasteful councils think they should get the extra money and be able to raise CT rates. Crazy.
20

Number 6,

Germany 13/02/2009 09:14:32
Isin't the childish spite ridden whinging of the unionistas hilarious ?.

Rufus and Rulers, get a grip of yourselves. The pathetic footstamping of labourite councils was always going to end with them toe-ing the line.

They are intimidated by the SNP's superiority and have enough sense to see they will only drag the country down further by holding on to the unionista coat-tails.

Better to put your country first, which they are slowly but surely begining to recognise.

No point in protesting SNP policies when you have nothing, zilch, zero to offer the people as an alternative.

Eventually, when their westminster handlers have abandoned them in fustration, our resident unionist sheep will get the message.
21

Time to Show Courage,

13/02/2009 09:19:29
#19 Rulesbutnotrulers
"The SNP should keep its nose out of grown-up politics.
"

The decision to POSTPONE, not "ditch" the LIT proposal was a perfect example of "grown-up" and mature politics. The SNP could have quite simply put the proposal forward only to have it voted down by the vaccuous Labour air-heads, and then shout to the electorate again about Labour's infantile blocking tactics preventing a sound SNP policy that would benefit 2/3 of households in Scotland. We would then likely see Labour squirming, embarrassingly, again like they did when they made the massive U-turn to finally support the recent budget proposal. All be cause they were so out of touch with public opinion, and obsessed with punishing the SNP.

Grown-up politics? We are seeing grown-up, pragmatic politics in Scotland at the moment for the first time in living memory, thanks to the SNP government.
22

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 13/02/2009 10:02:26
Highland Council is about to build a "New Inverness" out towards Nairn costing £100 million....
23

Mikey,

13/02/2009 10:03:30
The whining of the unionists is pathetic! Here we have the man in the street being slightly better off than under previous unionist administrations and all they can do is whine! It really shows the true (red, white and blue) colours of the unionists.

Rather Scotland a desert than independent! What scum!!!!
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Melly,

Dunblane 13/02/2009 10:09:07
#19 Rulesbutnotrulers
Can you give us an example of grown up politics from the oposition parties?
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John S,

13/02/2009 10:33:43
The decision to postpone the LIT was the correct one because this will allow the SNP to concentrate on these upcoming elections without the distraction of the LIT which would have dragged on and on.

4 June 2009 EU elections. (in 111 days time).

In theory anytime between now and 3 June 2010 being last possible UK general election date (in a max of 475 days time) with a possible change of UK Government.
26

Miss H,

13/02/2009 10:40:38
16 Walter I often wonder about you. Indeed I worry about you.

Remember when you were in school and you did adding up. Here's a sum.

47+16 = 63

46+16+2 = 64.

That accounts for every MSP in the Scottish Parliament apart from one - Margo MacDonald.

But even if Margo MacDonald voted with the 63 SNP and Lib Dem MSPs for LIT, giving them a total of 64 votes, the Presiding Officer (who doesn't usually vote) would vote with the 64 Labour, Tory and Green MSPs to keep the status quo (council tax) as happened in the first Budget vote.
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13/02/2009 10:45:21
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brownlie,

13/02/2009 11:12:32
Rules etc.

You talk about "grown-up" politics whilst looking for a federation which would, inevitably, still governed be governed from Westminster by Labour or the Tories.

The voters voted for grown up politics and they cast their votes for the party who they thought would have the best interests of Scotland at heart. What they find now from Labour, Tory and Lib Dems are parties whose sole aim is to frustrate the Government by any means at their disposal.

Instead of voting for solutions which are transparently beneficial to Scotland and in particular to their own supporters they seem to have embarked on a process of negativity and childish, but ineffectual, opposition to each and every initiative.

Witness, for instance, Gray's pathetic tearing up of a piece of paper which might have worked as a spur of the moment impulse action but the fact that he had the manifesto at all showed that it was a pre-thought and staged act.

What,precisely did he hope to achieve and why was it greeted with applause by the "nodding dogs" behind him.

Was this an example of grown-up politics?
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brownlie,

13/02/2009 11:51:54
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The Tin Man,

13/02/2009 12:02:36
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British flag,

13/02/2009 12:35:34
I bet they do with a 210 million pound deal funded by English taxpayers.
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fiferjohn,

13/02/2009 12:42:54
#british flag as long as we have to beg westminister to have our money back it is lways going to look as if it is the english taxpayer is oaying.
what you should be doing is demanding the english mps why to they hang on to scotland seeing we are taking money out of englands mouth.
34

British flag,

13/02/2009 13:26:06
'The council tax will be no higher than it was when this government came to office - that is what we will deliver for the people of Scotland.' You know what,the people of England should deliver something to our councils and government! A "get stuffed" message!
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Brian Hill,

13/02/2009 13:38:11
So, in 2 days the Scottish Government has gone from 'Meltdown' to business as usual with yet another success, i.e. year two of a Council Tax freeze with councils, including Labour ones, falling over themselves to sign up for the freeze.

And much to the unionistas' chagrin they will find that it's business as usual too when it comes to the next polls showing the SNP still in the lead.
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Number 6,

Germany 13/02/2009 13:46:21
#38 Chin up old chap. One still has the England oylimpics to look forward to.
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13/02/2009 13:48:07
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13/02/2009 13:48:23
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fiferjohn,

13/02/2009 13:49:29
that is what a vote for the snp is if your in scotland and in england it tne english independant party i think or just vote bnp that is more fitting for england
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Patrick O'Reilly,

Coatbridge 13/02/2009 14:00:56
Watch your back John. It's your freeze now.
41

The west awake,

Argyll 13/02/2009 14:03:44
Miss H - "But even if Margo MacDonald voted with the 63 SNP and Lib Dem MSPs for LIT, giving them a total of 64 votes, the Presiding Officer (who doesn't usually vote) would vote with the 64 Labour, Tory and Green MSPs to keep the status quo (council tax) as happened in the first Budget vote."

- I'm a Nationalist but I don't agree with you. The fact is the Greens could (I reckon fairly easily) be bought off and this could go through.
I don't understand why the SNP has done this, I thought it looked extremely likely now given the thawing of relations going on at the moment between the SNP and the LDs.

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Miss H,

13/02/2009 14:09:24
46 Greens wers not 'bought off'in Budget and did not vote for ministerial appointments yesterday.

They are, I understand, hopping mad at the SNP and in no mood to play ball.

The Lib dems were also insisting that LIT had to be locally set which was not the SNP policy.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 13/02/2009 14:29:56
#46, The West's Awake.

I, too, am disappointed that the SG has decided not to pusue the introduction of LIT.

But, pragmatically, it would be bad government. It would entail the SG horse-trading, with the consequent NuLabTory/Tory vacuity, that would distract from the job of steering Scotland, as best it can, through this NuLabTory generated Depression.

Why spend months on debating a policy, however good, that will, ultimately, not be ratified because the main two Unionist Parties will not break from the Westminster masters. Also, there is no reason to believe that the Greens would support LIT; remember the Budget vote, and the tantrums of Mr Harvie.
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walter,

13/02/2009 15:30:12
Miss H
You should not worry about me I can count.
It is said by the nationalist like yourself that the people of Scotland wanted this National Income Tax that the SNP are proclaiming to be a Local Income Tax.
Yet the people of Scotland did not vote SNP in enough numbers to allow them to introduce it.
In other words the majority of the people did not fall for the lie that this National Income Tax was a Local Income Tax or the promise made by the SNP that they would deliver it and the people who had the sense to see through the SNP lie have now been proved right.
No matter how much the SNP or their supporters try to blame other or make excuses to defend the actions of the SNP the fact remains they lied.
45

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/02/2009 15:49:28
46 I agree with you. However, I believe that Salmond has made a calculation that postponing LIT until after the next GE will go down badly with the electorate and that they will blame Labour and, to a lesser extent, the Tories.

I think it suits Salmond to do this because he believes that he the SNP will win even more seats next time.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/02/2009 15:51:10
49 Simply stating something does not make it true.
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Elethiomel,

Edinburgh 13/02/2009 16:20:38
#52 Why should he?

The two positions aren't related, you can think they all lie if you like.
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Miss H,

13/02/2009 16:28:41
49 Yes Walter the people of Scotland did not vote SNP in enough numbers to allow them to introduce the LIT.

That is a fair summary of the situation.

The fact that the SNP does not have a large enough majority to get the legislation through Parliament does not make them liars.

You might as well say that all the parties are liars – Labour promised to do a whole lot of things that they have not done. The Lib Dems promised to do a whole lot of things that they haven’t done and so did the Tories. The Scottish people did not vote for them in enough numbers either.

The fact is that no party has a majority in parliament so for any legislation to be passed it needs support from across the board.

Luckily I think the majority of the electorate are a bit more clued up on how minority government works than you are, though curiously less willing to comment.
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The west awake,

Argyll 13/02/2009 16:38:36
Connaughtboy - I'm not sure about your theory. I am sure LIT could have been voted through, even if the Greens are fizzing or not. There must be some reason, I just can't see it, maybe the SNP are fearing that the Brown depression will result in mass unemployment meaning of course less taxpayers.
What is interesting is that every years freezing of the Council Tax makes the eventual LIT more financially viable (assuming of course incomes continue to rise).
- Incidentally, insn't it refreshing to be able to have a conversation which may not agree with our favoured party's "line" while still being supportive. That's a thing you very rarely see with the Unionists, no matter what rubbish their party spouts, they bleat total support.
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livilion,

livingston 13/02/2009 17:17:08
54 Miss H
Remember 'Education, Education, Education!'?
From the party who abolished student grants, education on the basis of those best able to learn rather than best able to earn and introduced students to student debt.
Honest Tony, Union Jack and the Saviour of the World stand up and be recognised.
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walter,

13/02/2009 18:42:07
Miss H
Luckily I think the majority of the electorate are a bit more clued up on how minority government works than you are, though curiously less willing to comment.

Let me explain.
A minority government will go into coalition with another party to allow policies to be passed as the SNP approached the Lib/Dems to do exactly this.
The problem is that there has to be give and take for this to happen and the SNP were not prepared to give only take so the Lib/Dems turned them down.
Being that all parties are in a minority there was no legal reason that Labour and the Lib/Dems could not go into coalition again and form the government but the SNP insisted that since they had 1 seat more than Labour it was they that should form the government and the other parties agreed to this.
The SNP forming the minority government need the support of the representative of those Scots who did not choose the SNP to represent them to pass policies.
They could have had the support of the Lib/Dems on this LIT had they been willing to give a little and introduce it as what they called it a Local Income Tax but they where unwilling to introduce a Local Income Tax even though that is what they call it and insisted on introducing this National Income Tax that the Lib/Dems would not agree with.

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freedom not subservience,

home 13/02/2009 20:29:49
Very much doubt if the fibdems would support anything other that new labour sleeze illusions
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Tris,

14/02/2009 00:07:23
Let's try this again. Any Labour supporters out there.

Does your party like Council Tax?

If yes, why? You hated it when Major brought it in. It hasn't been modified since.

If no, what is your policy for replacing or reforming it, so that it isn't so unfair to the poor?

Anyone? Rufus? AM2???????
55

Tris,

14/02/2009 00:11:58
22. They did it last year too....
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Tris,

14/02/2009 00:33:35
Sorry, that last comment was directed at 21.


49 Walter. Are you for real?

The SNP put forward the policy. The parliament has made it clear that the policy will not be approved. The SNP has said that they will put the policy on the back burner till the next election. It's called minority government. It doesn't take a huge intellect to understand it. The Tories have more of less grasped the concept. Why can't Labour?

No, don't tell me.
I know.
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Miss H,

14/02/2009 13:57:54
57 Walter - a coalition government is called a coalition government not a minority government. A minority government by definition is not in coalition. You are completely correct that there was no legal reason why Labour and the Lib Dems could not go into another coalition. The reason that they did not is because the parliament as a whole elected Alex Salmond to be First Minister. Labour and the Lib Dems could at any time choose to move a motion of no confidence in the SNP Government. They have not done so.
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Number 6,

Germany 19/02/2009 14:45:22
What a sorry bunch of unionista whiners

 

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