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'Trump said jump, Salmond said how high?' - golf row deepens



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Published Date: 25 April 2008
ALEX Salmond was yesterday accused of compromising Scotland's planning system with his handling of Donald Trump's application to build a £1 billion golf resort.
MSPs yesterday debated the findings of an investigation by Holyrood's local government committee, which last month found the First Minister showed "exceptionally poor judgment" with his actions over the controversial planning application by the American tycoon.

During yesterday's debate, Duncan McNeil, the committee's Labour convener, criticised Mr Salmond for meeting Trump representatives after the application was rejected by Aberdeenshire Council.

And he raised concerns over Mr Salmond arranging a meeting by phone with Jim Mackinnon, Scotland's chief planner, while with the Trump representatives.

Mr McNeil also attacked the Scottish Government for "calling in" the application when Trump refused to appeal, adding: "Cynics might say, 'Trump said jump, the First Minister said, how high?'."

He said the intervention on the application for the Menie estate in Aberdeenshire was not a solitary incident, citing ministers' alleged interference in a multi-million-pound hotel application in Aviemore.

He concluded: "Yes, they have succeeded in keeping the (Menie] development alive, but at some cost – the planning process has been compromised and the Trump development is facing further delay and a possible court challenge."

The SNP was quick to dismiss the debate and inquiry, with back-bench MSP Alex Neil calling it a "witch-hunt".

Stewart Stevenson, the planning minister, pointed out that the committee had agreed ministers broke neither the ministerial code nor the law.

He added: "Ministers and officials have at all times acted properly, objectively and in full accordance with planning legislation, the Scottish ministerial code and all other requirements."

Kenny Gibson, an SNP MSP who was denied the chance of summing up in yesterday's debate, even though he is vice-convener of the committee, added: "I realise opposition politicians are excited at the prospect of raising the hazy perception of Scottish Government wrong-doing, even if no evidence is available to support it. It would have been better to await the Scottish Government response before forging ahead."

SNP MSPs yesterday decided to abstain on the motion to note the report's conclusions.

But opposition MSPs were unrepentant about "holding ministers to account". David McLetchie, the Tories' local-government spokesman, claimed the meeting with Trump representatives only took place because Alex Salmond was First Minister.

He said had Nora Radcliffe, the former Liberal Democrat MSP for Gordon, held her seat, it would have been very different, and asked: "Does anyone in this chamber believe that the Trump Organisation would have been rushing to meet Nora Radcliffe?"

He added: "We were asked to believe a decision (on calling the application in] had to be made within such a short timescale because there was a serious risk that this option would be closed off. In other words, it was a race against time. What nonsense."

Robert Brown, a Lib Dem MSP who sat as an extra member on the inquiry, said: "The overall picture of the current Scottish Government is one of breathtaking arrogance combined with staggering ineptitude which could and did imperil this application.

"Not for them the proper balance between competing interests required by the due process of the planning system and by the ministerial code."

COUNCIL TO BACK TYCOON
ABERDEENSHIRE council yesterday rejected a call to stand firm on the original decision of its infrastructure services committee to throw out the £1 billion golf development proposal by Donald Trump, the American tycoon.

Martin Ford, the Liberal Democrat councillor who was sacked as convener of the council's planning committee for using his casting vote to reject the application, claimed that the authority's decision to later support the scheme had undermined the democratic planning process.

However, he failed to secure support from the council to stand firm on the original decision of the infrastructure services committee to reject the application as a meeting of the full council overwhelmingly voted in favour of the Menie estate development for a second time.

The council voted 56 to five to support the Trump application when the controversial application comes before the public inquiry in June.


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  • Last Updated: 25 April 2008 5:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Stepford Nat,

25/04/2008 00:08:23
Alex can do no wrong! It's as simple as that.
2

Spock Undercover,

25/04/2008 00:10:11
Forget the deep-fried Mars Bar.

Top favourite down my chippie in Leeds is the "Gordon Brown supper" - Battered Haggis and (had his) Chips!
3

doublescotch,

U.S.A. 25/04/2008 00:12:23
#2...Yikes!
4

Jimmy the Pie,

25/04/2008 00:17:32
10 out of 10 for effort Red Wendy, but will it ever dawn on you that you have been out-thought, out-manouvered and out-classed by our Government. Move on.

When are we getting to see the e-mails, Red Wendy???????
5

McGinty,

25/04/2008 00:17:48
Oink oink.
6

Senga Jean,

25/04/2008 00:21:00
Wendy is daydreaming. Her own "government" or (silly word) EXECUTIVE used helicopters all over the land to suck up to Donald Trump. I am not saying they were wrong since Scotland appears desperate for inward investment, I am just saying it is strange that she is criticising Alex Salmond (praise be his name) for wot they done themselves.
7

Senga Jean,

25/04/2008 00:23:02
Irony? I'll gie ye IRONY!
8

Jwil,

25/04/2008 00:45:20
The best thing that could happen is for Trump to say stuff the lot of you and take his project to Ireland. It would be a severe loss of inward investment but it would be the death nell of the Labour and Liberal parties in Scotland.

9

Jwil,

25/04/2008 00:46:35
Sorry. ....and the Tories too.
10

brian mcc,

the arctic 25/04/2008 01:12:11
Salmond may take up golf or exercise his unwritten option for a retirement bungalow on the 9th fairway. The trumpster will even provide free lessons.
11

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25/04/2008 01:28:27
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Beth Boyle,

NY 25/04/2008 01:29:47
Salmond is a sucker for ignorant American loud mouths.
13

Phil C,

25/04/2008 01:33:39
#7 Senga

Infamy, infamy!! They've all got it infamy!...

At least the Hootsman has it in for Alex on this one. Labour's dirty mouthpiece is all they are with this issue. It's still a non-story of government trying to encourage and mediate a very big investment in the north east, which Labour themselves were rightly keen to encourage. There's no personal gain anywhere, except maybe the people in that area and Trump if it all works. The question of whether the golf and housing project is right or wrong is another matter, which clearly should be taken right out of the hands of the incompetent local Liberal and Labour councillors who, it would seem, couldn't organise a Sunday school picnic. Labour and Liberal MSPs are not doing much better and are just causing more damage by delaying the necessary decisions.

Labour have come out of all this looking like silly hypocrites and Scotland is the poorer for their daft and childish squabbling. Only the most blinkered of Wendy's clapping seals can approve of their behaviour.

Fortunately for us all, Alex Salmond is maintaining his dignity despite these misplaced attacks.
14

Beth Boyle,

NY 25/04/2008 01:39:13
Hee hee, Salmond never had any dignity to start with courting the likes of Trent Lott and Donald Trump. He is shameless! Salmond is a banker and can't trust them folks.
15

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 01:42:30
Its Simple is it not,?

I have the Power! I will sell my Country for Money!

As the Dollars and Pound notes pass the eyes!

Greed is an unfortunate fact of human nature, is it not,?

Any,..'Bids' for Edinburgh Castle,?

Or better still the Scottish Parliament Buildings,?

I am sure the 'Arabs' would be up for that one! :-))
16

Vivas,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 02:06:33
How Jack of clubs came up trumps for Donald - Scotsman.com News (14 May 2006)

"...based on a dossier of government e-mails, minutes and correspondence between officials and Trump's advisers, obtained by Scotland on Sunday, which reveals the full extent of how the office of the First Minister was put at the disposal of one of America's richest and most controversial men.
...
Under Freedom of Information legislation, Scotland on Sunday has obtained documents from Scottish Enterprise (SE) revealing the government's close working relationship with Trump.
...
The billionaire's golf company was lavished with attention. Two memos released by SE show that - at a cost of £4,800 to the public purse - the agency paid for two helicopter tours of Scotland, taking in the golf course site, as they showed off the country to their deep-pocketed American friends.
...
A further e-mail shows they offered to meet the £40,000-£50,000 cost of a feasibility study into the Menie Links site. Trump's people were impressed, "raving" in August last year about the way enterprise agency officials were courting them. All was set fair for a deal.
...
On September 23 last year, Lorna Jack, American director of Scottish Development International (SDI), an arm of SE, met Trump to discuss what had been termed Project X. "Mr Trump expressed an interest in meeting with the First Minister...to discuss how this project could be brought forward," she wrote in an e-mail back to Scotland. "Could you please ask the minister's team if they would view this as a favourable meeting."
...
SE's courting of Trump was one thing, but for McConnell to get involved personally was another matter.
...
The meeting with Trump was arranged nonetheless. SDI informed Trump that McConnell was "very excited" about his vision for this project."

And so perhaps the headline for THAT story should have been "Trump said deeper, Jack said how much more ?"
17

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 25/04/2008 02:09:11
The Scottish public's verdict on this is simple.

SNP at 40% plus
Independence at 40%

Salmond +70%

The combined popularity of the three unionist leaders is less than 40%.

Enough said.
18

Vivas,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 02:10:42
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2006/05/02081820

Trump declared Globalscot, 30/04/2006

"Donald Trump today accepted a personal invitation from First Minister Jack McConnell to become a Globalscot.

Mr McConnell said:

"Donald has shown me a real passion for Scotland. He is a globally recognised figure who can help us to promote Scotland. I am delighted that he has taken up my offer. This is a good bit of business for all concerned."

Mr Trump said:

"As an international businessman I've enjoyed success over the years and I like to think that part of my achievement can be attributed to my Scottish roots.

"Being immensely proud of my Scottish background and recognising that this is a country with world class strengths and opportunity, I recently announced my new $500m golf and leisure development in Aberdeenshire.

"I am also very pleased to have been asked to join the Globalscot network. For a long time I've been aware that Scottish people are fiercely proud of Scotland and that they like to help their fellow countrymen."

The Globalscot network aims to harness the talents, expertise and commitment of the many Scots and friends of Scotland who are active in international business around the world.

The network consists of overseas-based Scots and friends of Scotland or Scots in the UK who operate internationally and have been invited to become globalscots because of their valuable experience and willingness to help Scotland. Members are spread across the globe with representation in all key markets in the US, Europe, Middle East and Asia Pacific."
19

Matt there,

somewhere 25/04/2008 02:14:56
So, it is right and proper for Labour to speak with Mr Trump, but wrong and improper for the SNP to speak to Mr Trump?

Just so long as we know how the "mind" of Wendy Alexander "works"...
20

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25/04/2008 02:20:37
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a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 25/04/2008 02:22:36
Scotsman Panics: Labour yells or help, Papers go for low blow

More realistic headline for this and many other stories.
22

Traquir,

Alba 25/04/2008 02:28:45
This merits top headline !!!!!!!!
Looks like the Unionista cabal is lapping it up,
which I guess gives them something to do since
they appear to have nothing positive to contribute
to Scotland future direction.

Labour and the Unioniastas appear
not to dedect the irony in their latest tantrum - it
is they who Jump like true Sycophants to Brown
and/or Westminsters every bidding. I don't recall
one significant thing that Scottish Labour have not Jumped at -
massive tax on whisky - jump; nuclear weapons - jump;
illegal war - jump; pay England prisons more but
not Scottish - jump ; give 6000 square miles
of Scottish territorial waters to England- jump
....... Gives a whole new meaning to
Zebedee on acid.
23

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 25/04/2008 02:31:13
And meanwhile in the real world Aberdeenshire Council has voted 56 to 5 (Martin Ford one of the five. surprise, surprise) to support the Trump application at the forthcoming public enquiry.
Now there's 56 councillors delivering what their electorate request. As for my own Councillor Ford. Ah well only three more years to go before we wave him farewell on his bike.
24

Jimmy the Pie,

25/04/2008 02:31:58
#11 Truthsleuth

"There is no doubt where funding for the SNP comes from."

Are you saying Trump is funding the SNP? Are you doubting the words of all the investigations(done by all parties MSP's). Do you have any new info?? No I didn't think so. You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you on the AS with an R and an E.

You are a buffoon and an idiot

25

Vivas,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 02:33:59
Jack and Donald "were just good friends".

Jack "Donald...I've awarded you the title of Globalscot. What with the golf course and everything and us getting on so well..."

Donald "Eh gee, thanks Jake, sounds great (I guess)...anyway pardner, about that golf course..."

Jack "I love it Donald, just love it to bits. It's going to be soooooooo good ! This is what you guys call a win-win situation. And to be honest the timing couldn't be better, got elections coming up soon here in the worlds best wee country and well ... y'know..."

Donald "I know Jock, I know. The Scotch people are gonna love you for this."
26

Just an opinion,

USA 25/04/2008 03:37:16
Said it before, and I will say it again. Our Ancestors sold us out to the English noblemen for a purse full of silver.
Our ancestory lives on in Salmond who is selling his soul to an American.
The guy is a sophisticated prostitute, maybe he is not selling his body in the physical sense, but.......
27

Guga II,

Rockall 25/04/2008 03:56:48
Marvellous, isn't it? One greenie with the casting vote on a council committee tries to scupper a multi-million pound investment in Scotland. The full council ends up giving him the boot (rightly so) because of his blatant greenie bias.

The Scottish Government calls the proposal in for further examination, and the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch) tries to vilify and slander the First Minister for doing so.

They are, of course, more interested in attacking the SNP for having the temerity to win the Scottish elections, than they are for any possible investement or development in Scotland.

The Hootsmon, with its usual bias against the SNP and for the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party, weighs in with a biased article with a deliberately pejorative headline, namely: "'Trump said jump, Salmond said how high?' - golf row deepens".

It seems to me that those people, organisations, newspapers and political parties that are hell bent on deprecating out First Minister have no real concern for Scotland, only for attempting to score cheap political points. What makes it even worse is that these people are primarily supporters of a defunct Union that has the sole aim of keeping Scotland as a subservient colony and as a milk cow for this so-called Union.
28

2Right,

On Location 25/04/2008 04:47:24
The FM should be allowed to intervene where he sees fit.
It would be a far better country if all our MSPs stood up to unjust decisions
29

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 05:20:01
Wee Jockee was asked to jump by Trump. His response was that Donald didnt have to exert himself jumping, he would pay for a helicopter instead.

Get real unionists, Do you really think that you lot have the slightest chance of being seen as anything else but cheap little people who have sold out to their London Masters.

Our Prime Minister and Scottish SNP Government are the real deal. Read the comments in the English media by normal English People. They want an English version of Alex Salmond. They are absolutely desperate for England to be run by an English Government who put the English People above all else. Instead they have Gordon Brown and his plague of Greedy little people, who rob the people blind.

There is a very large amount of People all over Europe who want their Countries Independance from authoritanian states like the London example. Get with the programme, revolution is in the air, and the mistakes of the past are being reversed on a yearly basis. Just as the former people of the imperial Soviet, imperial US and imperial former UK empire have sought their freedom to exercise their fundamental right to determine their own future.
30

Ban MacTire,

Weegiestan 25/04/2008 05:21:49
the impression I get from the article is that Trump exercised undue influence on the FM to get this deal done. Trump has repeatedly stated this was not so. If that is indeed the case then heaven help the Liebour & Limp Dem MSP's making acussations against The Donald - as they'll find his pockets are deeper then theirs when it comes to their libel trail - probably held in New York, as any parliamentry privilege would not apply in US courts as Trump is a US citizen
31

Alan Reid,

NZ 25/04/2008 06:01:07
More sh!te from the Unionists morons.
This story really is nothing, and shows how pathetic Labour and the Hootsman are. All they can do is to try and smeer Salmond and the SNP.
Well you failed again so change the record.
32

Strickland,

Dundee 25/04/2008 06:05:35
Another non-story. Gaun yersel Alex.
33

NemarketNDPer,

Taipei 25/04/2008 06:25:57
A real statesman would be able to sell Donald on creating a subsistent eco-paradise that would both protect the environment and attract global tourism.
34

brownlie,

25/04/2008 06:35:07
33 Nemarket

Yes, indeed, it could be based on the eco-paradise which us unionists created in Iraq with our US friends.
35

yockel,

25/04/2008 06:39:51
I see there is no need for me to bother saying what rubbish this is.
36

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 25/04/2008 07:08:01
Come on Alex - you intervened quickly on behalf of Donald - now you must intervene in the Grangemouth crisis. Get involved for goodness sake. Scotland needs leadership, not obfuscation or pontification (but I must admit that you are pretty good at both).
37

McX,

25/04/2008 07:13:35
I say, I say, I say, what do you call an English owned, English edited, English staffed newspaper with a distinctly anti-Scottish government bias?


The Scotsman.


Tim Bowdler really is laughing all the way to the bank...

Heh heh heh I wonder which £17k a year graduate web based journalist will edit this name away lest his £1m a year boss gets miffed that his name gets mentioned on one of his own forums...
38

Roy,

25/04/2008 07:14:09
Pathetic headline, Unscotsman.

39

1745,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 07:17:07
Scotsman go back to your roots

Sir Edmund Findlay would have sacked the whole of the "subs" for such reporting !
40

steve 1511,

aberdeen 25/04/2008 07:17:27
mcneil and labour are pathetic
41

11+failed,

the pans 25/04/2008 07:22:31
Simple , poseur Martin Ford makes Scotland a laughing stock and Salmond tries to salvage something from the wreckage.
42

Norman C.,

MacLondon 25/04/2008 07:23:59
Appalling that Alex 'Smoked' Salmond should be pilloried, a man who has singlehandedly dragged Scotland up by its keelty strings into the 19th century, transforming it from a bedraggled loser into one of the powerhouses of the known world, feared and loved equally by its rivals, tea-cosy India and bone China, courted by every country where curling is the national sport, and befriended by all from ....... here ........ to ........... there.

Shame on you traducers and denigraters.

Salmond and cream cheese beigel for ever say I. And let every true Scot dree his weird.

Trump is a true benefactor, a Scottish hero, like wee Georgie Wood, who has nought but Scottish welfare coursing through his marrow, an unselfish, modest and unassuming philanthropist, all but a saint. Remember, a dram afore ye gae, many a mickle makes a muckle, many a pickle makes a mickle, many a snickle cakes a wuckle, and too many dickles flake a duckle.

Thankee.

43

Alasdair,

25/04/2008 07:25:40
I see The Hootsmon's noble quest to become The Daily Record continues unabated.
44

Anne, Glasgow,

25/04/2008 07:25:42
Very biased headline. Shame on The Scotsman, so much for objective writing
45

Anne Robinson,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 07:28:54
Stewart Stevenson - Planning Minister??

Stewart was culled from his senior management position in BoS IT, primarily for a failure to plan and manage.

It's just too hard to take the government seriously with people like this in high places.
46

Norman C.,

25/04/2008 07:36:12
Norman C's remarks were spot on.
47

Phil C,

25/04/2008 07:38:08
#36 B U Merchant

From the Scotsman- "Isn't anyone trying to stop all this? (Grangemouth crisis)
Yes. Mr Salmond, John Swinney, the finance secretary, and the UK government have spent the past few days trying to get management and unions to take part in talks to resolve their disagreements. The Scottish Government also arranged for independent pensions expert Stewart Ritchie, president of the Faculty of Actuaries, to carry out a study to clarify the issues in dispute in relation to the Ineos pension fund."

Now shut up with your nonsense already!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 07:41:41
Here we go again with more use of single quote marks to give the impression that opinion is fact.

What a disgusting standard of journalism.
50

john z,

edinburgh 25/04/2008 07:44:06
For heavens sake, can't labour just do something positive for Scotland. What you think of trump is irrelevant. What matters is he is willing to dump large wadges of hard cash in northern Scotland. The chance is NOT likely to come again.

Or is it the case hat Scotland is still just a 'silly wee laddie', and wants to take the usual parochial approach of 'let's do nothing'.

Alex salmond did what he did in order to secure this huge investment into northern scotland, but clearly London labour don't want that.

Are you aware how stupid this makes Scotland look from an american perspective. Time for some scottish labour MSPs to grow up.
51

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 07:45:36
Listen Hootsman,

The only *uckers that need to jump high are the Labour Party.

IN THE POLLS,
IN THE STREETS, they need a springboard
52

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 07:48:15
THE INDEPENDENT SCOTTISH LABOUR PARTY

'It's coming yet fer a' that'
53

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 25/04/2008 07:51:41
I watched the committe inquiry and the travesty of the general paliamentary debate on Hollyrood TV.It was clear early on that Alec Salmone,had not attempted to influence the planning processs and if guilty of anything,it is that he cares about his constituents and Scotland.It was evident (as testerday confirmed that Labour and the Liberals deliberately set out to find something that could be used to discredit Salmond.In Labours case the aim was probably to distract the public from Wendy Alexander's illegal donations.For the Liberals,I suspect that the aim was to distract from Nicol Stephens foolish and unsubstanuated allegation of sleeze,and the fury that his statements caused in the north east of Scotland.Their bias was evident by seconding a lawyer MSP onto that committee.Mike Russell was spot on yesterday when he pointed out that the flimsy report confused opinion as fact and that many conclusions were in fact innuendo.He also pointed out that Jackie Baillie ,MSP had yesterday met the planning officer about a planning issue in Dumbarton.

I have no doubt that lessons can be learned about this.For example:
1) Future inquires should be conducted by a neutral body and removed froim political bias.
2) Clear criteria needs to be set that delineates the circumstances under which ministers and MSP's can talk with private investors,or respond to MSP's concerns about the planning process.
3)Training should be provided for MSP's in communication and committee work since some are clearly not up tro the job.

I hope that we can now move on with serious issues,such as child poverty,removing unfair tax systems,developing renewable energy etc
54

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 07:51:42
The groaning baulking hulk of New Labour,

a political experiment in,

'hoodwinking of the electorate'
55

brownlie,

25/04/2008 07:53:58
42 Norman

Your extremely witty - I can hardly type for laughing - posting is an absolute gem and furthers our unionist cause no end. Any one with half a brain - what did they do with the other part of yours - knows that the Scottish government should not encourage any businesses - especially business men with an inappropriate hair-cut - to invest in this country and create employment.

Good idea to praise your own contribution but next time it would be better to remember to use your other monicker to do so.
56

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 07:54:55
What will the Spaghetti Houses of Islington do,

with their customers all at sea???
57

Alfred E. Neuman,

25/04/2008 07:56:46
Salmond has disgraced himself, the SNP and Scotland. (Again.)
58

McX,

25/04/2008 07:57:25
Shouldn't the headline be, 'Local MSP does job and protects local investment'?
59

roughrider,

Glasgow 25/04/2008 07:59:25
Utter rubbish non story.
When is this pathetic rag going to employ journalists who report the news and not labour lies and drivel?
60

CASEY PURVIS,

WEST HILLS 25/04/2008 08:00:44
NO TRUMP!!
CASEY PURVIS
61

Conan the Librarian™,

25/04/2008 08:00:53
37
McX
"The Johnston purchase, which took The Scotsman back into Scottish ownership for the first time in 60 years, was widely welcomed in Scotland. "I think there was a view that the new owners, Johnston Press, would be more sensitive and sympathetic to the needs of the community in which The Scotsman publishes," says Bowdler."
The Independant 21 Aug 2006

HAHAHAHA

62

JayJay,

Right here 25/04/2008 08:03:05
So, to sum up:-
1. Everyone in Holyrood (bar the Greens) wants the project, supported it in the past.
2. The former Lab/Lib Executive bent over backwards to bring Trump to Scotland and "show him a good time".
3. One guy with a bike in the Council in Aberdeen created a stushie, got binned, the Council and the locals want the development.
4. Wendy Alexander now thinks Alex Salmond is corrupt and craven to Trump.
5. Wendy Alexander represents a party that kow-tows to Bernie Eccleston over fag advertising and receives a £1m donation, has taken donations from multi millionaires posing as their cleaners has ministers having to resign after taking large loans from multi millionaires to buy a big hoose...etc
6. Wendy herself gets into an awful pickle with donations she can't explain, some of which came from tax exiled property developers, some from prominent business types (who "enjoy" job after job on quango after quango), some from people who actually are supposed to police politicians activities.
7. Wendy was hardly cleared and vilified over the dodgy donations affair.
Who is encouraging this woman to go on the attack over a non issue when she herself had to go into hiding for 4-weeks (sorry campaign hard in a consituency she doesn't even live in) when her activities were exposed? Is this what Simon Pia calls rebuilding your reputation?
63

glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 08:04:20
brownlie...

Tell me are you on the By-pass with Nicol??

or maybe just the slow boat to China with Brown?

if neither, I hope my good fellow,

your not one of the cyber spooks marshaled by the new Chairman of the Scottish Conservative Party ??

Please forgive me,I forgot 'and Unionist' although nowadays loosely termed.
64

McX,

25/04/2008 08:06:28
# 61 morning Conan, your post won't last. Any mention of Tim Bowdler or Freddie Johnston gets wheeched off as soon as the be-ponytailed £17k a year web based journalist spots it.
65

Conan the Librarian™,

25/04/2008 08:12:03
64
Morning McX
So free speech gets Bowdlerised?
66

brownlie,

25/04/2008 08:18:17
63 glasbennmhor

Yes, my friend, you are quite correct. I am one of these unionists that has never criticised Wendy's inappropriate illegal donations, Jackie's intemperate use of language, Blair's dodgy dossier, the murder of innocent Iraqis, the possession of deadly weapons, the dumping of nuclear waste in Scotland and any negativity surrounding the unionists.

Can I direct you to a little fall-out I had with my esteemed unionist colleague Highland Mighty on this forum two days ago? Could I also ask you to carefully, please, read my posting again?

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A Crofter,

Western Isles 25/04/2008 08:19:21
So what about the SSSI then? The Lewis windfarm has just been kicked out because of EU law; the same legislation presumably applies to Menie.

The protection of Scotland's natural heritage (on which our tourism and own wellbeing depends) is not negotiable by any dumb Stonyrooder. And all the main parties have consistently sucked up to this revolting Loadsamoney.

These emvironmental laws are nothing new. Why have both the SNP and previous Labour/LibDem admistrations wasted years deliberating these applications? Does the Scottish Government not have any legal experts who could explain this to our representatives?

BTW, is it just me, or is there an uncanny resemblance between our increasingly fat and smug first monster and the Churchill Insurance dog? OH YES!!!
68

Phil C,

25/04/2008 08:24:15
#67 It's just you!
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 25/04/2008 08:24:46
The same story again and again, guys its getting boring now. No wrong doing, no laws broken let it go. Or are you trying to pi$$ off trump who in turn goes elsewhere and then I predict you lot would jump in saying the SNP lost the contract it was their fault? truthsleuth SNP funding?? Keep taking the meds.
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David MacVicar,

web 25/04/2008 08:28:41
This is getting beyond a joke its like a Scottish version of the Spanish inquisition!

Where the HELL is the inquiry into Labour ministers dealings behind closed doors with EDF in what was supposed to be a public consultation over UK Nuclear power and multi Billion pound contracts and twisted UK energy policty effecting Millions of UK citizens.

Blows the whole trump squall out of the water!

A consultation that was already taken to court once by green peace and others that the UK Government lost!

Where EDF now has prime position over the contracts.

Where Gordon browns brother is employed by EDF.

etc etc.

Papers like the Scotsman are a total disgrace pushing innuendo in a Scottish context and saying Sweet Funk All about their precious unionist masters are corrupt to the very core!

The elements in 'Scottish' media that are but lick spittle amateur hacks jostling for crumbs from the unionist table are a malaise on professional journalism.
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glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 08:36:53
brownlie.....

Please forgive me Sir,

these forms are derided at times, but they are far more entertaining than the paper,don't you think?
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Auckland Arab2,

25/04/2008 08:42:09
The FM has the right and duty to intervene in anything he sees fit for the good of the country. I can't believe all this fake indignation for local planning, which everyone knows is an ass. This is a chattering classes issue and most ordinary folk in Scotland can see through this and will see a £1bn investment being thrown away.
73

brownlie,

Scalpay, Harris 25/04/2008 08:43:51
67 A crofter

You're quite right - all politicians should look slim and lissom.

71 glassbenmhor

Yes, I think they are but you were a bit previous calling me Sir as I have not yet made my £999 donation!!
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beeree,

Local 25/04/2008 08:47:25
You need sunshine to grow bananas. Roll on the banana republic. Perhaps we'll get some good weather then.

However Soutar, Trump, First Group. Notice a theme.
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PJ Walker,

East Lothian 25/04/2008 08:52:00
The Trumpster is either brave or foolish. Has no one told him we're in the middle of a massive credit crisis. Loch Lomond and Arcerfield are reportedly having some difficult times financially and the new Renaissance club is still 550 menbers short of its target.
Does Scotland reallly need another luxury golf and leisure club right now? The dollar is weak and the London IB boys have stopped jetting up for tartan-edged fun weekends.
Salmond is getting what he wants from all this, his name in lights for whatever reasons
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brownlie,

25/04/2008 08:52:05
74 beeree

Great post - us unionists thrive on unsubstantiated allegations, which should be repeated ad nauseam, as opposed to proven allegations against our dear Wendy.
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Union is Best,

25/04/2008 08:53:28
57.Alfred - well said (and welcome back after that wee breakdown the other day -most unfortunate)

You are spot on - Salmond has disgraced something. And you can rest assured that as soon as we Unionists think of a specific allegation of any wrong doing, part of ministerial code broken or part of planning process contravened we will post what we think it is!

Some of you will no doubt be thinking that codes of conduct are not our Unionists strong suit against Salmond given we can't think of any he broke, and what with 120 breaches of law and three investigations by the Standards Commissioner in Scotland ans several criminal investigations in England still pending over illegal donations all against us, but you fail to understand our transference strategy! Some of you may well even be thinking that this is a report on a debate about a committee investigation which found no wrong-doing!

Clearly by putting the Trump thing to a full independent public enquiry the SNP are tampering with the application, I just can't think how or why - but when I do, I will pounce on it with the speed and coiled, tensed inebriation of Lord Foulkes leaping from the gutter at an unsupsecting policeman!

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Union is Best,

25/04/2008 08:55:05
74. Good effort, but a word of advice - as a judge last year described Labour election fraud as being "disgraceful even for a banana republic" we prefer not to use the "banana" reference at present. Please use some other unspecified smear reference and mud-sling away!
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Norman C.,

MacLondon 25/04/2008 08:56:58
Dear 55 Brownlie, ta.

I once had a lecturer called Ian Brownie, but he must be 103.

Assume ye knot that the same name and location betoken the same personage. Nae nae neigh. It's like asseverating that because a Scots Gnat politician calls himself Alex Salmond he must be First Minister.

I'm suing for imitation, disinformation and malapropism in corpus delicto.

Fair ye weel.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 08:58:22
Gosh! The First Minister tries to bring jobs and prosperity to Scotland! Isn't that terrible!
81

Sedov,

Scotland 25/04/2008 09:03:40
The SNP are the party of big capital and finance. Wendy Alexander, speaking at the STUC conference, was correct in describing them as such. Nought wrong with that I suppose but lets drop the pretence you NATS -you are supporting a right of centre party which will move even further to the right in the coming few years. Socialism in the SNP? - forget it!.
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Union is Best,

25/04/2008 09:07:26
81. Well said, we will work that together with our "The SNP are ultra leftist and intent on taxing the rich with their LIT so that company dorectors will leave Scotland" riff. We need to maximise confusion by calling them left wing one day and right wing the next!
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Professor22,

lochgelly 25/04/2008 09:11:40
Well, the nation is doing its self proud with this one, eh?

If I was Donald, I walk, no ....run away. If this is whats its like before he has started whats it going to be when it gets the green light.?

Id go to somewhere were the suns shines more than 5 days a year anyway...

Gun.....Foot.....loud bang!
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Phil C,

25/04/2008 09:16:20
#81 Sodoff

The SNP is a broad social democrat party. It is a mix of different ideals working towards a common goal of uniting Scotland and it's people, in their own nation. Silly little labels like you try to attach are superfluous and shallow.

What happens after independence is anyone's guess just now and quite frankly, it is irrelevant. Unfortunately, as things stand, the 'socialists' might take over again. Plenty time to change that though and Labour and their buddies at the Hootsmon are doing their best to alienate support by puffing-up non-stories like this one.
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Number 6,

Germany 25/04/2008 09:19:45
Is not this current scottish wing of London controlled Labour just about the most pathetic bunch of chancers
to ever soil the political stage? They and they alone
are the only morons howling at Salmond's saving of this project. Only they complain of the many many jobs this will create and the huge inward investment.

They would rather Scotland stagnated and remained so, in order to remain under the Westminster Yoke. If the Scottish people are sick to the back teeth of them you can see why. Nasty , spitefull tactics and all to cover up their own complete lack of forward thinking policies . What are their alternatives to replace this huge investment? Emmm... Nothing, zilch, just shut up and be grateful for having London to look after us because remember everyone :

WE CANNAE DAE IT ON OUR OWN

WE CANNAE DAE IT ON OUR OWN.

And all because they failed so spectacularly in their own woo-ing of Trump, sitting back waiting for the brown envelopes that never came, and it seems they can't forgive him for it. What a dreadfull dreadfull Party. Shame on every last one of them.
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The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 25/04/2008 09:24:38
Well it just shows it dosent matter what your political alliance is that ultimately they are all at it!

Alex Salmond is no better than the rest of them
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The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 25/04/2008 09:26:01
Oh and with ref to No 87 I bet if it was the other way about Salmond would be jumping up and down about it.
88

The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 25/04/2008 09:26:19
doh 85
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glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 09:27:36
I see the McCrononites are in full swing(ers)
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Number 6,

Germany 25/04/2008 09:30:19
No sign of the story here, concerning the latest huge financial scandal to hit East Lothian Council, when it was under Labour control I see. Funny, as the BBC are managing to cover it. You can run but you can't hide.
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glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 09:30:56
Has anyone seen the latest frown on Gordon Callaghan's face?

Bye God there's deep deep thought for you.
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Number 6,

Germany 25/04/2008 09:32:06
#88 Oh good reply , please stay around to fill these forums with your wonderfull reposts. Head back in the sand beachboy.
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Bob Christie,

25/04/2008 09:32:59
Whatever the merits of the Trump development, what is clear that the Liebour Party's comments are driven by sour groups. After all, Liebour and ONLY Liebour nowadays is the party of the wealthy. It actively pursues the policy of aiding the better off at the expense of the most vulnerable.
In pursuance of this policy the Liebour Party firmly believes thatsomebody as wealthy as Trump is theirs and should not be approached by the SNP.
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Number 6,

Germany 25/04/2008 09:34:37
Oh and for the record, Salmond has done nothing, that's nothing wrong here.To rally behind a low life Labour MP critisism is futile to say the least. The stench
of hypocrasy is detectable from here.
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glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 09:38:23
I think one of the biggest political stories of the present is Labour supporters leaving in there droves.

And I don't think for a second there is the slightest validity in the polling of 33% for labour.

Where ever you go in the country the message for Labour is sling your hook, yes, dire indeed.
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glassbenmhor,

25/04/2008 09:42:18
the day is coming,

THE INDEPENDENT SCOTTISH LABOUR PARTY,

as come it will for a' that
97

Prof,

25/04/2008 09:42:34
Another anti-Scot Nats rant from the Galashiels owned Hootsman.
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Phil C,