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Trump puts himself at head of drive for £1bn golf resort



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Published Date: 01 May 2008
DONALD Trump is to personally lead his business empire's bid to persuade the Scottish Government to back his controversial plans to turn an environmentally sensitive stretch of coastline into a £1 billion golf resort.
The Trump Organisation yesterday confirmed the tycoon would fly to Scotland in June to give evidence at a public inquiry into his plan for the Menie Estate near Balmedie, Aberdeenshire.

The planning inquiry, ordered by John Swinney, the Scottish f
inance secretary, is scheduled to begin at the Aberdeen exhibition and conference centre on 10 June.

Speaking yesterday from his office in New York's Trump Tower, the billionaire star of American television's The Apprentice said: "This development is currently a top priority for me and the Trump Organisation. The site is very important to me because I just love its natural beauty and because of my connection to Scotland.

"I respect the need for an inquiry and am totally committed to appearing as I really want to see this development come to fruition. I want the public to hear my plans and share my enthusiasm for them.

"I am confident I will be able to demonstrate my passion for this site, on which we want to create a world-class development that works in harmony with the natural environment. The inquiry is also a chance to underline the huge benefits our proposals could secure for Scotland."

He added: "I am looking forward to visiting Aberdeen city and shire again and meeting some of the many people who have been so supportive."

An estimated 30 witnesses, both for and against the massive development are expected to give evidence at the inquiry, scheduled to last three weeks.

Legal representatives of the Trump Organisation told the inquiry's reporter, James McCulloch, that they expected to call up to ten witnesses to give evidence on environmental issues and the economic case for the development, and one possible witness from the Trump Organisation. That witness will now be Mr Trump.

The government intervened after Aberdeenshire Council's planning committee threw out the plans for two championship golf courses, a five-star 450-room hotel, almost 1,000 timeshare apartments, 36 golf villas and 500 homes.

Mr McCulloch, Scotland's top planning appeals official, has made it clear the inquiry will focus on the main issues in dispute in the Trump plan – the proposal to site part of the main golf course on sand dunes designated a site of special scientific interest, the housing element, the financial case for the development and public access.

He told legal representatives at a pre-inquiry hearing that the "identity of a developer" would not be a material consideration.

Mr Swinney has pledged to announce his decision on the development within 28 days of receiving the report on the inquiry from the Directorate for Planning and Environmental Appeals.

Earlier this year Mr Trump expressed surprise over the announcement of a public inquiry into his scheme, but said it could be a positive move provided "it can go quickly".

However, he warned: "If the process takes too long, I'll have no choice but to go some place else."





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  • Last Updated: 30 April 2008 10:33 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Arthur X,

01/05/2008 00:16:33
Enough bullying and bluster. Enough bending of the planning system, bought and sold. This beach is Scotland's asset, not for sale. Shoo!
2

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 01/05/2008 00:36:29
Arthur

On the contrary, we need to use our assets for economic diversity. Welcome Donald.
3

Alfred E. Neuman,

01/05/2008 01:36:31
2 Andrew BOD

Good intelligent SNP moment there, Scotland has so few Golf Courses let's diversify!
4

Alfred E. Neuman,

01/05/2008 01:37:30
Can we find away to let trump build some 2 bedroom luxury flats next to his gold course?

We have a shortage of those in Scotland in all.
5

overton,

balmedie 01/05/2008 05:59:01
Arthur X,01/05/2008

This isn't about the beach you moron - the Crown owns that.

Donald Trump wants to develop Menie Estate which he in fact owns.
6

Beth Boyle,

NY 01/05/2008 06:07:29
Trump ALWAYS puts himself first. Salmond was playing with fire just entertaining the idea of having such a environmental rapist come to Scotland.
7

overton,

balmedie 01/05/2008 07:05:11
6 Beth Boyle,NY 01/05/2008

Beth,

You not gone in for the electric shock treatment yet?
It will help you slip back into the real world and your gibberish will cease.

Maybe too expensive in the States - have you no got mental health insurance?
8

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 01/05/2008 07:12:30
Ignore Alfred, I fear he has nothing of interest to say. A huge, empty vessel.

I think the Scottish Govt will recognize there is an overwhelming case for this fantastic development.

The views of those objectors are not worth tuppence.

This area needs good news this year...job losses, council cuts & so forth. Thus far 2008 has not been good.
9

Beth Boyle,

NY 01/05/2008 07:33:33
overton you funny!
10

overton,

balmedie 01/05/2008 07:55:40
9 Beth Boyle,NY 01/05/2008

Thanks Beth. Maybe your sense of humour will see you through this bad patch.
11

haggis 10,

The Capital City of Scotland(Not For!) 01/05/2008 09:31:02
Anything that improves job projects in the highlands is welcome, its time for the people of the Central belt to realise the edge of the earth is not located 1 mile beyond Perth !!!!!!!!
12

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 01/05/2008 11:18:56
Haggis. Aberdeen, much of Aberdeenshire & particularly Menie have never been in the part of Scotland considered "Highland". In fact, you'd get your heid to play with for even suggesting it in some parts round there.

Anyway, its not going to do that much for jobs - the size of the staff barracks alone suggests that they are looking to ship much of their staff in.
13

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 13:51:38
Everything goes at a snails pace in Aberdeen. That city is going nowhere and needs to get a grip. When the oil goes, the population is going to plummet. What then?
14

Shawl,

Scotland 01/05/2008 14:15:13
Trumpy. What part of "environmental sensitive coastline" do you not understand? Government. If you even think of entertaining this clown to a meeting then you will not last long in power. The country belongs to the people. The last time the Govt sold out to rich landowners they burned the roofs from our heads and send us packing on ships to the colonies. Don't let that happen again. Maggie would have kicked hus butt. We are not independant yet and the vote could swing back out of your favour if you make ill informed choices. You are a young government afterall. So learn from the experiences of the past as you have no experience yourself. Alba gu brath.
15

Dr Avoido,

Gated Community #221, Wako-coco, HON 01/05/2008 14:18:01

How much £ do you think the local area will receive out of this sham?

How about VERY LITTLE, the multinationals have taken our oil and outside employing those to turn the cogs for them have put nothing back into the local community since the 70's.

How much have Shell, BP, Total et al put into Aberdeen over the years? how many schools, hospitals, libraries, gardens have they built whilst they made their trillions of USD?

All they have done is deprived us of a vast natural resource located in our own backyard because this country is to backward to have siezed upon the upon it and founded ScotiaOil and kept the profits to ourselves.

Trump Links will be the same old same - the rich get richer. Why couldn't the Scottish Govt Council have insisted that a % of turnover be re-invested into the community (akin to planning gain)

Nope, bend over Scotland and get shafted by the Yanks again

I'a awa
16

John Blackley,

Florida 01/05/2008 14:19:24
Quoth The Donald, "The site is very important to me because I just love its natural beauty and because of my connection to Scotland."

When a flim-flam man like The Donald starts pouring out the snake oil, keep your hands on your wallets.

By all means entertain this proposition but be very, very careful.
17

Nomada,

01/05/2008 14:46:04
'The site is very important to me because I just love its natural beauty...'.

So, because it is natural and beautiful he wants to make it about as unnatural and unbeautiful as it is possible to be. How can anyone take this clown seriously when he comes out with such transparent insincerity?
18

McGinty,

01/05/2008 16:31:42
Alfred E. Neuman,01/05/2008 01:37:30
'Can we find away to let trump build some 2 bedroom luxury flats next to his gold course?' Not on your life.
Can we find a way to let Trump build some 2 bedroom ordinary flats next to his golf course. Not on your life. The only thing he cares about are the exclusive properties in his gated village. He cares not one jot about the local housing needs and shortage thereof. What he does care about is probably too depressing to mention. By all means let him come, but do it on Scotland's terms, on the terms of the law, on the terms of the local authority planning department and the Scottish government, on the terms of the appeals process, on the terms of the economic, social, cultural and environmental needs of the North East and Scotland and with the grace, honesty, humility, respect and decency that any decent manager should possess. If he still has a case left, he's welcome.
19

Legacy,

NE 01/05/2008 17:14:32
To hear some of the comments above, you would think it was a Giant Petrol Refinery or a Nuclear Power Plant that was being built!
It's a **oody Golf Course, and to say that it will not benefit the area, is utter rubbish, assuming that this Golf Course gets the go ahead, do you visualise it surrounded by a high barb fence, watchtowers with spotlights and armed guards along its length to keep the yokels out, get real.
Scotland has stagnated far to long.
Your arguments against this development are tiresome, away and play with your spades and pails in the Sahara, plenty of wide open spaces to accomodate you there.


20

Nomada,

01/05/2008 18:06:16
#19 Legacy writes: 'It's a **oody Golf Course'. Not exactly. What is planned is a mini-town with 2 golf courses, and while there may not be 'high barb fence, watchtowers with spotlights and armed guards along its length', the effect will be precisely 'to keep the yokels out'. If you think you are going to be able to drop in for a drink and a chat with Donald and his ultra-rich clients, you are going to be disappointed. (As, at the end of the process, I suspect Donald himself will be.)
21

John Blackley,

Florida 01/05/2008 18:26:16
#19 Legacy. Your uncivil comments aside, you may be closer to the truth than you imagine.

Given Trump's other ventures, I'm guessing the yokels actually will be kept out - as Trump won't be able to up his prices on the exclusivity factor otherwise. (However I trust Aberdeenshire council will not permit actual watchtowers and guards with guns. I'm sure The Donald will have to content himself with alligator-filled moats.)

As for "only a .......golf course", I'm afraid you're misinformed. There will be more than one golf course and those golf courses - given the need for massive amounts of phosphate-based treatments to keep the grass green-enough for Americans - will pollute surrounding watercourses. There will also, as Nomada has pointed out, be a new 'gated community' where the 'yokels' will be about as welcome as they are at Balmoral when my Auntie Liz is in residence - except Trump's security will probably be more effective.

As I said before, The Donald's a slippery character and anytime a slippery character comes a-calling and waxing lyrical about huge amounts of money, sensible folk keep their hands on their wallets and their eyes hard on the character.
22

fgreed,

01/05/2008 18:29:28
#19 Legacy
"Scotland has stagnated far to long."
On what are you basing this statement? I'm sorry but it really doesn't make much sense to me-are we talking economic stagnation? Cultural stagnation? Societal stagnation?

In fact I find it rather offensive whatever your meaning. Scotland is a vibrant Country, with rich national heritage, high employment, and more importantly some of the most stunning scenery in the world. Why do you think Trump is so desperate to develop here? You're talking as if he us here to 'save us,' like some sort of philanthropist.

This development is a highly lucrative business and will be run as such with profits running straight back to the states-despite what the local press would have us believe. Otherwise there would be no need to build so many houses, holiday homes, a hotel and staff baracks-the golf course itself would suffice.

We are not a struggling third world country. We don't need this development, we can boost tourism in Aberdeenshire on out own terms!

fgreed.org
Join the Debate
23

DaveSubsea,

Aberdeen 01/05/2008 20:49:18
Jointly funded by the English Golf Union and the government’s wildlife advisers English Nature, the service is being provided by TRI, the golf industry’s leading advisory and research specialist.Lee Penrose, an STRI ecologist, is co-ordinating the project.
So far over 30 golf clubs are benefiting from advice provided during he first phase of this new scheme. A further 50 golf clubs will be isited through to April 2003 before the second phase of the scheme ommences. Opportunities for other golf clubs to participate in the cheme will be made available in early spring this year when the second phase gets underway, and again in 2004 when the third phase will begin.
It is hoped that this free initiative will give particular encouragement to golf clubs who have so far had little or no ecological or environmental input to their course. The three year project consolidates
better co-operation between golf clubs and nature conservationists to make golf clubs more welcoming to wildlife.
Dr Keith Duff, Chief Scientist for English Nature, added: “English Nature knows that golf courses can be of great value to many types of wildlife, particularly if they are managed sympathetically. With a mix of many different habitats—hedges, ponds, woods and grassland—golf courses are oases and stepping stones for plants, animals and birds in both rural and urban landscapes. English Nature and the English Golf Union
are co-funding this project so that golf clubs throughout the country can get free advice to make them even better for wildlife conservation.”
Golf courses are often a haven for a diversity of wildlife species

SSSI designated sites

In addition, advisory visits have been provided to golf
courses supporting statutory designations, i.e. the Sites of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI) of which there are about 100 in England alone. These golf courses support some of our most rare and vulnerable habitats and species. Clubs receiving visits during the first round have includ
24

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 20:52:19
What's important to us here in Scotland? Of course some will warmly welcome inward investment, a good thing often, but at what cost here? The unemployment in both Aberdeen city and shire is less than 2%, so the need for the jobs is less pressing than the need to preserve the area's best environmental features.

Golfers Jack Nicklaus and Paul Lawrie haven`t needed to take land designated for wildlife in their Scottish golf course proposals.

25

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 20:53:20
Development - Planning Submission
Outline application by Trump International Golf Links to Aberdeenshire Council for the development of multi-million pound golf course and luxury resort development:

Facilities proposed:
450-bedroom hotel
clubhouse
golf academy
950 holiday homes
36 golf villas
2 x 18 hole courses
Environmental Impact Assessment due to be submitted to Aberdeenshire Council
281106
26

Beth Boyle,

NY 01/05/2008 20:57:51
I don't understand why anyone would want our garbage. Donald Trump is the worst we have to export and many Scots are standing with their tongues out waiting to lap up his ----.
27

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 21:00:05
Here, in the southwest corner of the Mull of Kintyre, where the movements of sea, sand, wind and grazing sheep have intertwined over countless centuries, a landscape has been crafted: a landscape perfectly and naturally suited to the purest form of the royal and ancient game of golf. This is where the ancient traditions of the game are finding a renewed spirit of awareness. Here, in this unique corner of Scotland, lies one of the last remaining natural links sites in the homeland that gave golf to the rest of the world.

When Machrihanish Dunes Golf Club opens in 2008, it will be the first golf course to be have been built on a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSi) since the days of Old Tom Morris himself. It will also be the first 18-hole links golf course to be built on the west coast of Scotland in 100 years. Course architect and Scotsman David McLay Kidd, who is internationally acclaimed for his design of Bandon Dunes in Oregon and the The Castle Course at St. Andrews, created an inspired routing for Machrihanish Dunes measuring 7,300 yards and featuring six greens and five tees at the ocean’s edge.

This is the way golf began. This is Machrihanish Dunes.
28

Jock Wilson,

01/05/2008 21:03:46
22

"We don't need this development, we can boost tourism in Aberdeenshire on out own terms! "

You are howling at the moon, Fgreed, if you really think that. Tourism is based on demand and knowing the market. At the moment and probably for the foreseeable future, golf tourism is a significant industry.

24

You are too short-sighted and complacent. There are some serious contra-indicators for the future economy of Aberdeen and the Shire, not least a decline in working-age population. So, as you say, what's important for us here in Scotland?
29

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 21:09:47
12/03/2008
The most northerly golf course in the UK is not just a players' dream - it is also part of a natural heritage site which has a wealth of designations for its outstanding plant and wildlife interests.

Durness Golf Club in Sutherland has a membership of around 100 and is popular with visitors and locals alike keen to play the nine-hole course with its views out over the Atlantic.

Golfers can take advantage of a place rich in natural heritage interest with the surrounding area designated by Scottish Natural Heritage (SNH) for wildlife features including spectacular sand dunes, geology including major areas of limestone, flower-rich heaths, and otters.

The course is laid out over a European Special Area of Conservation (SAC) and lies within the area of a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI) which together contain a total of 18 features of interest. This makes Durness special, if not unique, as it is one of the few golf courses in Scotland to be sited entirely within a European protected area.

Valerie Wilson, SNH Area Officer for North Sutherland, said: "Partnership working has been particularly important and means that the club provides a two-year rolling programme of proposed works which allows us and the planning authority time to consider potential effects on the natural heritage.

"In Durness works on the course require prior written approval of the planning authority which on others could be carried out without the need for consent.

"This area contains many designations and this has presented its own challenges, but SNH and the community have worked together in partnership to ensure that it works and I think the benefits are there for everyone to see. At the same time as golfers are playing the course, they can enjoy the wealth of natural heritage here and SNH is pleased we have been able to work with the community to preserve this balance."

The golf course was constructed in 1988 with a length of 5555 yards and is a par 70,
30

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 21:15:57
Scotland is recognised internationally as the home of golf. With over 500 existing courses, and new
development continuing, golf has an important contribution to make to our natural heritage, both
through its value as open, green space in the landscape, and as managed wildlife habitat.
One of the most significant challenges facing golf today is how to continue to conserve and enhance
this environmental value, and to ensure that the development of new courses follows environmentallysustainable
principles. Fortunately Scotland’s golf courses are among the most natural in the world,
and the traditions of design and management which have evolved here are essentially environmentally
friendly. By ensuring that this fine tradition is maintained and indeed built-on in future, golf
developers and golf clubs have the opportunity to play a major rôle in meeting this challenge.
31

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 21:16:54
This report has been prepared in response to a brief issued jointly by Scottish Natural Heritage (SNH)
and the Scottish Golf Environment Group (SGEG). In broad terms, its purpose is to provide guidance
on aspects of nature conservation on golf courses. The content focuses primarily on the process of new
golf course development. However, as consideration of management issues is an integral part of this
process, aspects of course management are also covered. The report is intended to form part of a series
of guidance papers on environmental aspects of new golf development.
The guidance is aimed on the one hand at developers and designers of new golf courses, and
golf clubs considering extension or re-modelling of courses; and on the other at planning
authority officers, consultees and other participants in the development control process.
Adoption and application of the advice will have many potential advantages both for the
environment and the golfer. These include:
?? Helping to ensure that the development achieves long-term conservation benefits;
?? Increasing understanding among developers and designers of the environmental characteristics of
proposed golf course sites from the outset, thereby assisting in the development of more natural,
challenging, and attractive golf courses;
?? By incorporating an ecological approach from the outset, the developer can demonstrate a practical
rôle in the conservation of natural heritage, and possibly avoid protracted planning consultation;
NATURE CONSERVATION AND GOLF COURSE DEVELOPMENT:
4
?? An environmentally sound development can be promoted as such, enhancing the marketing profile
of the final product;
?? High environmental quality can enhance the golfer’s playing experience.
?? By working with nature it is possible to reduce ongoing maintenance costs.
32

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 21:17:54
Golf is believed to have originated in Scotland over 600 years ago, the earliest players seeking -out
freely-draining areas of short grassland. This was to be found on coastal links and in some inland
heathland situations where there was grazing by rabbits or sheep. The short grass of golf courses is no
longer maintained by grazing but by mowing. In the process, biomass and nutrients are removed –
achieving precisely that which represents an essential element in nature conservation practice. The bent
and fescue grasslands valued for golf thrive in nutrient-poor conditions and are characteristic of areas
valued for nature conservation. It is of no surprise that 30 Sites of Special Scientific Interest (SSSIs)
are to be found on golf courses in Scotland although it should be pointed out that the SSSIs are not
necessarily all valued because of the grassland elements.
33

DaveSubsea,

01/05/2008 21:18:48
http://www.sgeg.org.uk/documents/SGEGNatureConservationGuidelines.pdf
34

mobocaster,

Aberdeen. 01/05/2008 22:02:15
Less is more Dave, Less is more! ;-)
35

Beth Boyle,

New York 01/05/2008 22:05:13
Let's have more nature and less Trump!
36

fgreed,

01/05/2008 22:14:02
#28 Jock Wilson

Alright, if thats the case then why do we need a new golf course? Scotland is the home of golf-we already have some of the best courses in the world, why do we need someone to come over, with no regard for our planning procedures, environment, or democracy, and build another one?

"Tourism is based on demand and knowing the market."

This is true, however you are once again talking like Scotland is a backward country and needs help in that department.

Scotland has a thriving tourist industry, based on its natural beauty and the warm nature of its people. If anything this golf course will detract from that-it will promote a polished and Americanised version of Scotland, aimed at the rich. They will fly in, put thousands of pounds into Trumps already bulging pockets, and then leave. Please, I urge you, look beyond the marketing.

The one thing that we have is our beautiful scenery that is why there will always be a demand for tourists in Scotland. As I said before, we are NOT a third world country-we don't NEED this development, our environment is worth much more in the long term.
37

dianne12,

Aberdeenshire 01/05/2008 22:18:09
Golf originated from the Dutch game 'Kolf' - it's not even Scottish!

Permission to alter SSSI will have to be sought through SNH - if no agreement is reached it will ultimately go through the Scottish Land Court. I hope permission will never be given!

38

mobocaster,

Aberdeen. 01/05/2008 22:23:48
Yes. For income, golf comes a poor second to that generated by our wild lands. By some considerable margin.

However, for golf & its associated services, more of the income suitable for corporate consolidation. Which probably partly explains the lure to Trump & his ilk.


39

Beth Boyle,

Trumped in Old New York 01/05/2008 22:30:44
Golf as not invented in the highands its a sport of the Borders am I not corrent? Does Scotland not already have the best courses in the world? Is Scotland so desperate it would invite in a exploitive looser like Trump who throws temper tantrums like a five year old to develop its coast line? Scotland has plenty of home grown talent. For certain Caledonia is better off with out the man with the bad hair!
40

Beth Boyle,

New York 01/05/2008 22:34:31
From what I have read Golf as we know it today originated from a game played on the eastern coast of Scotland in the Kingdom of Fife during the 15th century. Players would hit a pebble around a natural course of sand dunes, rabbit runs and tracks using a stick or primitive club. The East Neuk and Saint Andrews can claim it but not Aberdeenshire.
41

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 01/05/2008 22:39:05
Again I agree. Scoland is renowned for its fine courses & many of them are still in mutual or local hands & return a large portion of income to the local community.

Even St Andrews has most of its courses in public ownership, with access for the various clubs, hotel guests & public of all status managed by the Links Trust. A more satisfactory sustem by far for this country - People like Trump can still invest but the core attraction remains accountable here.
42

Jock Wilson,

02/05/2008 12:13:31
36,

Scotland may indeed have a thriving tourist industry although that was not always the case and the position is far more fragile than you think. Most tourists from abroad spend the bulk of their time in the UK in England - London, York etc. Edinburgh and the Highlands tend to mop up the remainder of their time in the UK.

The North East definitely does NOT have a thriving tourist industry. It is not conventionally beautiful and on the whole is bypassed.

I have no idea where you get this polarisation of our being a Third World country from. It is not implicit in the support for the Trump Development. Far from it.

43

Jock Wilson,

02/05/2008 12:31:06
40.

The origins of golf are not clear. However your cheap dig at Aberdeenshire needs redressing.

Royal Aberdeen is the 6th oldest club in the world. Fraserburgh, just up the coast, is the 5th oldest club in Scotland and the 7th oldest in the world. It is recorded that golf was being played as early as 1613.

These are irrelevant facts in the context of the current debate about the Menie estate, but don't doubt the pedigree.
44

clarry,

02/05/2008 20:17:55
15


Average oil production on one North Sea rig 800,000 barrel per day.

UK gov. tax £45 + per barrel
Oil company £ 5 + per barrel
45

clarry,

02/05/2008 20:33:10


Comment: The Aberdeen Press and Journal May2 2008


''The inquiry into Donald Trump's controversial plan for a golf resort to the north of Aberdeen is more than a month away, but the main adversaries were testing each other out with some early feints yesterday.

Councillor Martin Ford, who almost brought Mr Trump's grand plan crashing about his ears when his committee voted it out, appeared to be claiming dirty tricks were under way to obstruct his evidence.

He and three other councillors intend to go against their own authority's official line by continuing to oppose the plan. Mr Trump's people were asking if this meant the four could give evidence only as private individuals rather than as councillors. It gives a taste of what is to come when the real jousting gets under way at the inquiry.

Mr Ford and his allies also appear to have a PR firm acting for them, which seems to suggest they will fight fire with fire when it comes to the 'spin war'.

Ultimately, Mr Ford should be allowed to make his views known in a democracy. When his small minority committee made its fateful decision, he tried to bind the majority of the council to it. He was playing by the rules, but those rules were quite obviously unfair and undemocratic.''
46

clarry,

02/05/2008 20:38:55

Many people in the North-east would think it was fair if Ford kept his big mouth shut.

Especially at meetings to gauge the views of local people, where the local people were not allowed to speak. The press was banned and Ford (not the representative for the area) hijacked the meeting from the audience and talked for over two hours.

Certainly always has plenty to say. A nobody trying to be somebody. Only thing the locals are sick of hearing about him.
47

Shire Hobbit, ,

nr Aberdeen 03/05/2008 00:03:12
You wrote:
"Especially at meetings to gauge the views of local people, where the local people were not allowed to speak. The press was banned and Ford (not the representative for the area) hijacked the meeting from the audience and talked for over two hours".

This is just pure fantasy, sorry, but no such thing happened.
48

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 04/05/2008 23:15:24
Shire Hobbit

What did happen then? Do elaborate. No 'fantasy' please.
49

Objective Comment,

NE Scotland 05/05/2008 05:13:17
I have followed these developments over the months and would like to raise a few questions and comments in regard to all this:

1. If the development gets the go ahead, surely the government must ensure 'Ramblers' rights of access are protected? This is indeed a beautiful piece of links land and access should not be denied to those who wish to visit.
2. No one has commented thus far regarding the associated devpt [I am fearful when I hear some of the proposals] but when Norman Foster designed Stansted Airport all those years ago, planning permission was given on the grounds that the height of the terminal building was such that it did not impair the view and remained low enough to be hidden by surrounding woodland. Ingenious engineering adjustments were made but the plan was successful.
3. Perhaps if our American 'cousins' flock to this development, they will stay away from other, better links championship courses where they seem to think that a 5 hour round of golf is the norm - much to the irritation of us locals!
4. Someone mentioned St Andrews - Perhaps their regulations regarding fess paid for a round there should apply here and locals registered and living within an agreed distance should be entitled to greatly reduced green fees. This may encourage development of the area around the courses and genuinely boost the income of the area.
5. I agree with comments that golf courses are great places for protecting environment and encouraging wildlife to exist in a 'natural' habitat.

In principal I am behind the scheme but agree with comments above that we should not be bullied into anything and that the plans for development and indeed running this 'commercial business' are fair to Trump and his boys but equally, must ensure that the rights of common people in Scotland are protected.

May common sense prevail!
50

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 08/05/2008 00:22:57
#49

1 - Golf courses are amongst the property types exempt from public access legislation. A voluntary agreement would have to be sought & TBH, neither Trump nor the whole system of agreements in Scotland has a particularly good history here.

2 - No chance. Trump's proposal dominates the surrounding landscape like nothing else in Aberdeenshire. It is totally out of scale & will be visible for miles in all directions.

3 - I share that concern. Other US-in-a-box tourist operations here seem determined to ensure that the customers do as little off-site as possible.

4 - The St Andrews Links Trust is a public body, formed & backed by legislation, managing courses in public ownership for the benifit of both business & the local community - A very different situation to the entirely private scheme proposed here.

Trump has promised "local rates" but has been short on specifics so far.

5 - Some courses, in some circumstances can be benificial for local environments. At Menie however, the fragility & dynamics of the more sensitive parts of the landscape make it unlikely that this would be the case.

 

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