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Tycoon Trump accused of getting 'carried away by his golf dream'



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Published Date: 04 July 2008
A LEADING planning consultant, speaking for environmental groups opposing Donald Trump's £1 billion golf resort plan, yesterday launched an astonishing personal attack on the American property tycoon.
In his closing submission to the Menie links inquiry in Aberdeen, David Tyldesley claimed the star of American television's The Apprentice was in danger of "being carried away by his dream" of building the world's greatest golf course on a protected
stretch of the Aberdeenshire coastline. Mr Tyldesley accused Mr Trump of making overstated claims about the potential of the resort at the Menie links and having "over ambitious" aspirations for the scheme when he gave evidence to the inquiry four weeks ago.

But last night, speaking to The Scotsman from New York, Mr Trump dismissed this, insisting: "What has happened is that they failed so badly in their case having to do with the environment that they now have to attack me personally. It's a shame that they can't try and stick with their arguments. But their arguments have been so badly beaten.

"I hired the best environmental consultants there are in the UK – the most respected. And their case was far stronger than the other people's case.

"So we won the environmental argument. We won the financial argument. We won the tourism argument. We won every argument, and probably the environment argument was won most conclusively. They know they can't win on that, so now they attack me personally, which isn't nice but it's par for the course. I get used to it."

Mr Trump also suggested that his plans may have had a role in Nicol Stephen's decision to stand down as leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.

He told The Scotsman: "I hear the head of the Lib Dem party resigned yesterday because of the fact that he opposed this so strongly and it's such a popular thing. I don't know – maybe that's true, maybe that's not."

He also insisted that the inquiry could not have gone any better for the Trump Organisation: "I think the other side has been totally discredited."

Earlier, Mr Tyldesley, who appeared for RSPB Scotland, the Scottish Wildlife Trust and the Botanical Society of the British Isles, told the inquiry: "He appears to disregard, or deny, the prospect of disappointment or failure in much the same way as he disregarded or denied the harm to the natural environment the project would cause.

"Mr Trump was not originally driven by a compelling urge to build a golf course at the Menie estate, or even in Aberdeenshire, or even in Scotland. His search was across Europe and at one time even in Asia.

"He says that what attracted him to Menie was the drama of the dunes, but it is hard to appreciate his enthusiasm for this now. He bought the site without actually seeing them."

Mr Tyldesley also criticised the tycoon's "worrying lack" of appreciation of the damage the development would have on a protected site of special scientific interest (SSSI) – the shifting sand dunes at Menie.

Mr Tyldesley continued: "It is Mr Trump's personal aspiration to build the best golf course in the world and his personal conviction that the SSSI dunes are essential to do that. I submit that cannot be a matter of national importance sufficient to clearly outweigh the extensive, certain and permanent harm to the SSSI interest features."

A Liberal Democrat spokesman said Mr Trump was "absolutely and categorically" wrong on Nicol Stephen's resignation.

He said: "Nicol Stephen set out very clearly in his statement why he was resigning. It had nothing to do with this development."

The inquiry is expected to end today.



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  • Last Updated: 03 July 2008 9:49 PM
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 00:18:24

Maybe this old saying comes into it,....

"Money Speaks Louder Than Words"!
2

Blue Tooner,

Aberdeenshire 04/07/2008 01:16:43
Deals, big and small, are all about trust. How can anyone trust a team of developers who set the ball rolling by sending in Neil Hobday, their project director, to buy adjacent property and land, as cheaply as possible, by introducing himself to folk under the pseudonym “Peter White” (The Times, 2/12/07). The ethical standards are now set, and from that moment on the trust is gone. The steamroller moves in and all in its way are destroyed. Aberdeenshire Council and Holyrood are then sucked into a celeb fan frenzy. The Trump team are thinking, “Hey, this is too easy, we can do what we like with these guys!” The only voice with enough bottle to fight the corner is Martin Ford, and all he gets is abuse.
3

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 04/07/2008 01:19:09
Besides being obviously biased, Mr Tyldesley is unprofessionally and unnecessarily rude. He destroys his own credibility.
4

Matt there,

somewhere 04/07/2008 02:20:06
"Besides being obviously biased..."

Oh, dear, oh dear! Do TRY to keep up, Sierras Foothills Scot!

It is his JOB to be biased in the favour of environmental concerns! That was WHY he participated in the hearings.

And was he rude? No.
5

Saltireblue,

Out Here 04/07/2008 02:29:34
Look, I'm ready to tee-off anytime. So, I hope it's built soon! I'm getting tired of waiting!
6

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 04/07/2008 04:25:09
Hi #4, Matt there

You are right. Being biased is Mr Tyldesley's job. But I stand by the rest of my post.
7

Beth Boyle,

NY 04/07/2008 06:48:20
The whole thing was botched. Trump and the council should all be put out of a job. It's so much a circus its beginning to really look idiotic. The only one with a brain was Mr. Ford who had the good sense to put the breaks on this.
8

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04/07/2008 06:56:42
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/07/2008 07:16:48
Alex must persuade his pal Donald to build his golf course and toffs' housing in Glasgow East End. The Scottish Xenophobist Party can then claim the credit and win the by-election. QED.
10

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11

Alexander,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 07:42:49
Typical of the anti brigade, lose the argument so resort to personal attacks.
12

Buttress,

04/07/2008 07:51:23
As anyone who has ever been to a public inquiry will know, this is hardly an astonsihing personal attack, it's what happens. Selected highlights made to sound controversial by a reporter are - well, selected highlights made to sound controversial. The Trump mob are hardly able to say they are whiter than white, although I do wonder, reading Trump, if he has any idea at all what the Scottish planning system is about.
13

11+failed,

the pans 04/07/2008 07:54:47
10
Not a fan of Trump then?
14

11+failed,

the pans 04/07/2008 08:03:21
7 Beth Boyle
"Mr. Ford who had the good sense to put the breaks on this."

I can't myself identify even one break that Ford has extended to Trump!
15

The Tin Man,

04/07/2008 08:04:54
Also, I am not employed by Trump's Scottish PR company. I live right next to the site of the development and my heart yearns for a few hundred more cars trying to get over the Don bridges each rush-hour. Furthermore, I want my local GP's surgery, and Primary school to be overwhelmed.
16

drew 33,

04/07/2008 08:09:35
Roll on December when this politically face saving charade is over and Donald can get on with this great project
17

paulr,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 08:11:07
#3 Sierra Foothills Scot
Mr Tildesley is absolutely correct, Trump is an egomaniac who cares nothing for the environment, as for the people whose lives this will affect, Trump does not care one iota.
As the saying goes "Money talks" and Trump unfortunately has far too much of that.
18

drew 33,

04/07/2008 08:11:17
15
NIMBY!
19

The Tin Man,

04/07/2008 08:41:45
#17

Maybe, but Trump is just trying to make a buck. The thing that astounds me are the people who comment on this development and seem astounded that planning regulations apply to it.
20

donald,

glasgow 04/07/2008 09:08:12
Will the twitchers move to Lybster now?
21

subrosa,

04/07/2008 09:21:09
It's interesting to read that the land was bought 'blind'. All things considered (so far) the NE needs this project and I hope it goes ahead.

As for the Trump setup. "The best golf course in the world". He's no chance. Quality doesn't seem to be a high priority and you can't build the 450+ years of the game into this or any other project.

Interesting main story in the Dundee Courier this morning:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/04/newsstory11603067t0.asp

If someone could tiny that I'd be grateful.
22

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 09:22:20
Tyldesly is right, and anyone with any sense would see that this is not at all astonishing. It's not a personal attack either. What happened to Martin Ford - that was a personal attack.
The fact that a so-called 'environmental case' has been made for the site is the astonishing aspect that the reporter should pick apart. There was no need for this inquiry, it was rejected and on reasonable grounds according to the correct procedures. It should have been left there.
23

Number 6,

Germany 04/07/2008 09:22:52
And who is this non entity to accuse such a succesful business man of getting carried away. God the politics of envy really tie some peoples guts in knots.

Trump will never back down, when are these idiots going to learn that. He is perfectly at home dealing with "Rent-a mob". It's standard procedure when people see he is about to make more money. It will just make the victory more sweeter.
24

dianne12,

Aberdeenshire 04/07/2008 09:32:08
In my opinion Donald Trump is an environmental criminal- he doesn't care about the environment as he suggests he just shouts very loudly and makes completely unfounded claims- he only cares about short term gain regardless of the cost! He seems to think life is one big game where you have to destroy the opposition and conquer mother mnature for man's idle pusuits. I thought his generation had died out with the industrial revolution. In the future people will look back and recognise him for what he is. As long as people support this type of greed and destruction we really don't stand a chance.

What an ugly business this has been!
25

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 09:37:40
#10 How is the appalling and crass Trumpty going to help unemployment in Aberdeenshire? In his typical fashion he will build it in the cheapest way possible with immigrant low paid workers. Then he'll staff it with housemaids and caretakers also sourced from the cheapest immigrant labour pools. I put it to you that you are very naive if you think this self-centred businessman cares two hoots for Scotland.
26

bogmon,

04/07/2008 09:39:04
"I hired the best environmental consultants there are in the UK – the most respected..."

Hypnotise anyone you like with a big enough bag of money and they will be anything you want them to be or do anything you want them to do.
27

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 09:40:07
#23 "It will just make the victory more sweeter."

What an appalling person you must be if you think destroying our fragile environment is "sweet victory". Please don't ever visit Scotland. Thank you.
28

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04/07/2008 09:44:47
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 09:48:27
#28 You can't really believe it was called in for an inquiry for any other reason than hard cash over (and probably under) the table.
30

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 09:51:05
He wants to build a golf course. He will be funding it. It will bring benefits to the area.

Why the hell can't they just let him get on with it and stop all this childish bickering?
31

The Tin Man,

04/07/2008 09:53:26
Where are all those fake 'Menie' and 'Balmedie' posters? ....The ones that were champing at the bit to have Westhill sur-la-mere built 'round the corner from their double-garage semi?
32

Alexander,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 09:54:39
29
Call me old fashioned. I am not a Salmond supporter, but I don't think he takes brown envelopes for suitable planning consents.
33

Skiver,

04/07/2008 10:00:51
Trump is a sack. Throw out the application. Get him back to the States where his type belong and let him never darken our doorstep again.

oops was that a personal attack? oh no, the world will end...
34

Scotish Exile,

04/07/2008 10:05:46
fore!
35

bluehead,

edinburgh 04/07/2008 10:21:51
the words 'carried away' sounds appropriate when applied to this guy trump,then the local people can get some peace,
36

Media 1,

cape town 04/07/2008 10:28:55
And we should listen to Mr David Tylesdadly or whatever his name is, because he has achieved WHAT in his life by comparison to Mr Trump? Aye right
37

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 10:30:30
If this hideous sham development goes ahead I hope someone knows how seagulls can be trained to follow their calls of nature on every golfer's head.

Trumpty is an awful person hell bent on squeezing every bit of juice from every pip he can lay his clammy hands on.
38

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 04/07/2008 10:36:33
Hear the words o the sangstress:

"The men o the North hae a' gane gyte"

As insanity is always found in crowds be they chiels, loons, menomoray (menomoney?) but more seldom in the individual. During the 20th century economic power and responsibility has been filched from the old burgh towns to unaccountable central bodies with their grossly paid CEOs. Whereas our forefathers could build harbours, roads, bridges, railways and run them to good effect + making public parks, swimming pools, baths, bowling greens yes even golf courses for the recreation of us working folks.
39

Chris,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 10:44:37
So Trump claims "I hired the best environmental consultants there are in the UK – the most respected. And their case was far stronger than the other people's case." That is interesting considering what his expert actually said: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/Trump-39ignored-own-expert-on.4190516.jp

#28 Alexander: Ford had to use his casting vote because the committee were split 50/50. Why do posters insist on portraying the decision as being Ford's? The infrastructure committee did what they were supposed to do. They looked at a proposed planning application and sent it back. It was Trump's staff that made the peverse decision that they would not alter one iota of their original plan, despite the sensitivities of an SSSI, of which Sorial should have been aware.
#31 The Tin Man: Indeed. Where is 'overton,balmedie' nowadays. It has been nice and quiet without him spouting his usual tunnel-vision comments. Especially about councillors being paid employees and required to do what the council tells them!
40

Media 1,

cape town 04/07/2008 10:46:01
oh poor Mikko!
What happened son? Nobody taught you how to make money and now you are all sour, angry and jealous of those who are successful. Shame wee man, poor you!
Are you the guy who sees a Ferrari parked on the street and proceeds to scratch it with a key because the sight of it reminds you how useless you actually are?
Shame, diddums and poor you!
I say go on Mr Trump, buy and buy and buy some more! Spend money, make money and do what needs to be done to get what you want WHEN you want it.
It's called Capitalism, and if you MIKKO, dont like it, then move to the nearest communist place you can find...
41

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 11:00:00
#40 Thanks. I've never been accused of criminal damage before (ie. as you say scratching Ferraris etc) but I'll ignore the slur as your kind seems like the kind who have to throw cheap personal attacks at those who dare to disagree with you. You also seem to be one of those people who lives in permanent denial of his or her own inabilities and inadequacies but somehow thinks that by supporting the likes of Trumpty or by reading Hello magazine or Heat magazine that some of the crass greedy celebrity culture will rub off onto your own sorry lives.

If you really think that all life is just money and capitalism (useful as it certainly is) then I feel very sorry for you since you miss so much more like a nice natural environment, comradeship for its best reasons (not for money) and family and love etc etc etc. None of the best things in life are related to Trumpty style cash and greed.
42

WKKB,

04/07/2008 11:16:29
All these committes and none of them can find a good enough reason why this proposed plan can't be done but why it "can't" and why it "shouldn't" be done are two different things. This simply shouldn't be done. It may create jobs and increased revenue for government but it will also create traffic, pollution, ecological crisis for some small creatures, not to mention the fact that children being raised in that area will never be able to buy and stay there; the price of property will surely go up as the rich golfers start buying up the properties to rent out to more rich golfers. Can he build his golf course and expensive homes and hotel???? Yes.... Should he???? NO NO NO
43

MtnKat,

04/07/2008 11:27:03
Ah yes, let's all go back to living in caves for the sake of the environment. Then we can sit around patting each other on the back, harkening back to the day we turned the big bad wolf and his money away.

Cutting your nose off to spite your face in the name of self righteousness and because you dislike the mans persona doesn't strike me as being particularly intelligent.
44

Media 1,

cape town 04/07/2008 11:33:48
Mikko

Your attitude invites the slur!
I am not familiar with the magazines you refer to, but I would imagine they are not the sort of material I would consider purchasing.
Yes family is important and we all spend as much time as we can with those we love. And yes the environment is important, but in this instance it is not really an issue. Granted it has become an issue, but not for the right reasons.
The golf resort will add to the environment and Scotland must be thankful for the investment.
And in closing, let me challenge you by saying that ALL the very best things in life are related to money. Spend the entire day with your family on the banks of the River Clyde if you like, but I can gaurentee that spending an entire day on a beach in Italy, France, America or Australia will be better received and more suited to most family members.
Drive a mini if you like, nothing wrong. But drive a Ferrari or a DB9 for a while and then try and go back. You wont be able to because the best things in life cost money! and rightly so.
So I say go for it Mr Trump and ignore the small minded and blinkered attitudes of those who fear success.
45

Number 6,

Germany 04/07/2008 11:46:47
There is no honour in inverted snoberry. Despite that, it is alive and kicking in Scotland.

There are a plethora of ignorant accusations being made here against Trump, based on nothing but blind envy. That's what years of labour rule has given Scotland. Rich= evil. Unless of course, you are a labour politician.

I wonder if all these frothing at the mouth desenters would be so irate if Labour's lavish entertaining of Trump had closed the deal while THEY were in power.

You can smell the hypocrasy from here, and it stinks.
46

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 04/07/2008 11:55:49
Charles Linskaill

Good morning, sir, to you and your beloved yours.

How DO you most times get to be the first to post in so many threads?

Do you have a "special arrangement" with The Scotsman?

Have a GREAT day and don't pick too many of the daisies.
47

Buttress,

04/07/2008 11:57:15
Sadly, from what I have seen of the proposed Trump development, it may cost a lot, but this is possibly a man who knows nothing about building anything of class, and who knows the cost of everything, but the value of nothing.
48

Number 6,

Germany 04/07/2008 12:10:27
#47 I wonder if you would (If you can) care to elaborate on your outrageous accusation.
49

Buttress,

04/07/2008 12:30:55
I've seen the plans for the dreadfully bad Disney version of traditional architecture, hugely criticized by A and DS. And rightly so. Money does not always equal taste or class. However, I would suggest, dear, you calm down, you do seem to be a spot over-reacting.
50

Mikko,

04/07/2008 12:35:17
#44 You have the Trumpty philosophy in a nutshell; as Buttress says it's just knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Unlike you a day on the river Clyde with my family would be worth every bit as much to me as a day with them in Australia. They mean everything to me; the place and the amount of cash spent does not.

I would rather drive a Mini than a Ferrari because Ferraris are for middle aged posers with a complex about their manly parts and a need to show off: Harry Enfield's "loadsamoney" character was a good example.

The wealthiest people I know (some are very wealthy, lucky them) drive humble cars: one an old Nissan and the other an old Audi estate. They feel no need to show off or attract the attention which people like Trumpty and his groupies (of which I gather you seem to be one) crave so much.

The very essence of Scotland is a beautiful and rich natural environment and a socialist and basically fair minded people. Trumpty is the opposite of all that. I pray he goes away.
51

elizabeth the first ,

04/07/2008 12:56:42
Tell Trump to take his carbuncle of a plan to dubai,this part of Scotland is a wildlife sanctuary.
52

geekpie,

forfar 04/07/2008 13:06:50
"So we won the environmental argument. We won the financial argument. We won the tourism argument. We won every argument..."

You certainly didn't win the traffic argument you burk.
53

Neil,

Glasgow 04/07/2008 13:13:09
It seems personal attacks are all the eco-fascists have left.
54

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 13:13:37
#51 - Your part of scotland is for the people to do with as they see fit and within reason. Just because you paid for your "pretty" view does not mean everyone else needs to stop living to make way for it.

This is Scotland, not a shrotbread tin or herritage village. Clown.
55

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 13:16:41
#15 -if you had sense and vision you could say your health centre would be expanded allong with the transport infrastructure. But allways glass empty :-)
56

The Tin Man,

04/07/2008 13:29:00
Mr Ford should be imprisoned forever, as should his family.

There were no other humans on the Aberdeenshire planning comittee. As everyone knows, Aberdeenshire is run by sheep.

Trump is very close to God, and wants this development to solve the atrocious unemployment and poverty that is all-too apparent in the area.
57

McGinty,

04/07/2008 13:30:09
"What has happened is that they failed so badly in their case having to do with the environment that they now have to attack me personally. It's a shame that they can't try and stick with their arguments. But their arguments have been so badly beaten.

"I hired the best environmental consultants there are in the UK – the most respected. And their case was far stronger than the other people's case.

"So we won the environmental argument. We won the financial argument. We won the tourism argument. We won every argument, and probably the environment argument was won most conclusively. They know they can't win on that, so now they attack me personally, which isn't nice but it's par for the course. I get used to it."

They have shown sarcasm, they have non cooperation by refusing to work with the planning process by appealing. He denies bullying, yet even his supporters would probably acknowledge that he uses clout, force and muscle - organisational, financial and rhetorical, as opposed to reasoned argument to get his way. He certainly gives the impression of ruthlessness. His colleagues speak of ‘steamrolling the opposition.’

He then goes on to play the martyr, the ‘poor me’ when people bite back and accuse him.

He would have had a lot more sympathy if he had had the good grace to appeal in the first place, even if he had decided in the meantime to go to Northern Ireland or wherever else he saw fit.

The environment argument is not conclusive. There will always be those who question the sacrificing of Scotland’s scenery for development, especially in an area such as this, unless the benefits are convincingly overwhelming.

He also never won the social argument – that spin-offs from generated wealth would benefit all, and more than just those directly involved in work such as construction and the rich and famous.

Besides what’s to say it’s not just his spin. Why should anyone take his word as gospel anyway, as ultimately it’s for the enquiry to gi
58

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 13:30:49
It's reassuring to see that all the Trumpty supporters here can do is call the people against them names. They have no self-respect left let alone respect for others, culture or our environment; just money grabbing and increasingly vicious bile.
59

McGinty,

04/07/2008 13:32:08
Why should anyone take his word as gospel anyway, as ultimately it’s for the enquiry to give a conclusive verdict.

'They attack me personally, which isn't nice.' Unfortunately for him, a certain amount of googling and reading between the lines reveals what kind of a character he is. He's also a hypocrite, he doesn't have a problem attacking Martin Ford. And even if Ford is no angel, he hasn't stooped to the same level of stupidity, arrogance or abuse.

Mr Trump also suggested that his plans may have had a role in Nicol Stephen's decision to stand down as leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats.

He told The Scotsman: "I hear the head of the Lib Dem party resigned yesterday because of the fact that he opposed this so strongly and it's such a popular thing. I don't know – maybe that's true, maybe that's not."

He also insisted that the inquiry could not have gone any better for the Trump Organisation: "I think the other side has been totally discredited."

What a plonker. Nicol Stephen, if he has any sense, probably doesn't give a stuff about him, and his 'smell of sleaze' comment seemed more designed to attack the SNP, and has been largely irrelevant anyway. His reasons for resigning will no doubt become clear over time, Trump should have kept his mouth shut till then. Trump's reputation by then may also be significantly diminished. Hell learn him.
60

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 13:32:47
Tin of spam. The reason their is little unemployment in the vicinity is due to the fact those of Scots dialect and working class habbits , who cannot afford the multi thosand pound houses are cleared to reservations such as aberdeen city and inverness.

You can't have regional scottish accents in the highlands unless your a farm worker or servant person can you?
61

The Tin Man,

04/07/2008 13:33:15
#55

Improved transport infrastructure in Aberdeenshire? Don't make me laugh. No-one gives two hoots about Aberdeenshire's transport infrastructure. The first set of traffic-lights north of Calabria are are the Br. of Don, and the NE is completely off the Scottish Exec's radar.
62

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 13:37:07
#24 - see when you look out the window? Most of it is MAN MADE, admittedly a few hundred years ago. Up until then Scotland had vaste swathes of forest. Unfortunetely your (I suspect)ancestors needed to earn their fortune so all wood was chopped down and Scots pilled into the armies as cannon fodder.

So thanks for your advice awfully , but no thanks!
63

Blue Tooner,

Aberdennshire 04/07/2008 13:37:27
In today's local paper, the Press and Journal, Murray Shaw (for Aberdeenshire Council) said at the inquiry yesterday that "the council would back the scheme even if the mitigation methods laid out by the Trump Organisation to limit damage to the sand dunes were shown not to be effective."

What kind of a message is that sending out? It can't be true? Can it?
64

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 13:40:03
#61 - You don't need infrastructure for folk who don't work and only retire Or earn their money making small batches of cheese, with clihched gaelic names.

If people like yourself did not constantly stand in the way of progress, because you've bought the "goodlife" and it's yours all yours!!!!!

Thanks for answering my question. :-)
65

elizabeth the first ,

04/07/2008 13:41:19
54. So you would rather have jumped up yanks parading round a field with a piece of metal and a small wee ball,than the beauty of untouched scotland.
66

Number 6,

Germany 04/07/2008 13:41:56
#50 good grief , you don't really think like that , do you ?.

#51 I have not visited the area but I hear it is in a terrible condition , littered with garbage. Where are the conservationists protecting this "wild life sanctury"
67

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 13:46:43
65 - At least their contributing. Unlike the retirees and jam makers, artiste, Writers(LOL) and any other new age hairy fairy, who make sodall cash apart from pimping some one elses herritage.
68

The Tin Man,

04/07/2008 13:48:58
#64 Raj

I see that sarcasm has been falling on sterile ground. The point I am attempting to make is that Trumpton has caused a big stink, but only because the development is following normal planning procedures. Aberdeenshire Council wanted the plan to be changed, Trump refused, the Scottish Exec called-in the plan, and Trump altered it to mitigate Aberdeenshire Council's concerns. Trump has been playing the planning process as a game.

This is not unusual - even if you build something in India, or just about anywhere, a developer has to jump through environmental umpteen hoops, but to say that the Trump plan is being killed-of by environmentalists is a falacy.
69

The Tin Man,

04/07/2008 13:51:50
#67 Raj Persaud's

Instead of slighting OAP's, perhaps you should learn from your elders, young pup.
70

elizabeth the first ,

04/07/2008 13:52:15
66. Nothing that can't be cleaned up, there are but a few really beautiful places within GB,the lake district,cornwall,snowdonia,and the highlands and islands,we should be preserving them,not selling them off to some yank for his gratification.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

04/07/2008 13:55:07
#70 - your hypocrisy is astounding. Litter is ok even allthough it can hang around hundreds of years. But for goodness sakes don't tread on the bloody dunes! which are ravaged and changed by winds daily. LOL

Sorrry tin man for spleen venting, just nimbies are ruining Scotland.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 13:55:55
It's quite simple: If Scotland wants yet another golf course then why not build it in east Glasgow? God knows it's run down and in need of investment - so pump in the $2 billion, create a few jobs, tidy the place up and save Scotland's rural environment in the process.

What's wrong with that?
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elizabeth the first ,

04/07/2008 13:59:53
71. No, litter can be removed,can Trump!
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elizabeth the first ,

04/07/2008 14:04:27
71. Trump does not give a flying haggis about Scotland,it's people or it's environment,he only cares about getting his own way,our land is not part of his playground.
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Media 1,

cape town 04/07/2008 15:16:35
Mikko

Sorry about the delay, busy!

So you would rather spend a day on the banks of the Clyde with your family than a beach in Australia or France?
And you would rather drive a mini than a Ferrari?

WOW!

That puts to bed any aspiritations you may have.

I now understand why you dont want this golf resort,it is not the resort you fear, it is the person who is building it.
You cant stand Trump because he makes you look at yourself in a way you dont like. Truth = Hurt, in your case, obviously.
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JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 04/07/2008 15:19:06
Its about time some of the ecofreaks who had no idea that Menie, Aberdeenshire or possibly Scotland existed before this development checked the facts before spouting garbage about Trump wrecking the environment.

The main objection is damage to the "embryonic shifting dunes" of national and some say of international importance. These dunes are so important that they are not even referenced by the Joint Nature Conservation Committee or the National Biodiversity Network. Even in SNH's own citation for the Foveran SSSI Menie and Drum Links do not warrant a mention. In fact less than 10% of the SSSI will be affected by the development about 17ha in total.

As for the RSPB hypocrites their attitude beggars belief . MIA prior to Trumps purchase of what had been a shooting estate with a variety of our feathered friends being blown out of the sky on a regular basis.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 15:45:07
#77 At least our feathered friends went out in a burst of glory - a far better way to go than to have some trumped up flash-the-cash yank making them homeless, boring them to death, wiping out their food supplies and killing them with golf balls.
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Media 1,

cape town 04/07/2008 15:52:59
Mikko

Can you imagine people like you were permitted to run the world! We would all be liviing in grass huts, no roads, no cars, no planes or trains. NADA!

Thank goodness you dont count.
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Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 15:58:32
Aberdeen is getting carried away full stop! This is beyond that town
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 16:03:29
#79 We all count at the ballot box and even if Trumpty gets the go ahead us environmentalists will draw it out through the courts and by using every legal tactic possible to cause maximum disruption and further expense until he clears off.
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Cappo Del Monte,

04/07/2008 16:27:04
now come on his heids as barren as the dunes, he only want to plant things there like he has on his heid.
Hes also proved he has no respect for scottish politicians with comments the n stephens had resigned partly because of his illegal move for planning permission for a golf course and trying to slip in over a 1000 houses for the rich.
hes pathetic, i hope his arrogant transplanted hair all falls out
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Prudence,

scotland 04/07/2008 16:38:48
There's something here about the finances that don't add up . There are 90,000 business members waiting for a wee bit of the financial action and lets say Mr Trump values the completed championship course locally at £27,000,000 ( a modest estimate) Thats only a £300 hand out to the passionate Aberdonian entrepreneurs. Its nae an awful lot for an Aberdonian, y'ken. Golf tourism apparently is on the brink of disaster. Special offers , luxury breaks ; £615 for 2nts , 2 rounds at Turnbery; half price golf; discounts ; last minute packages at St Andrews; even Gleneagles is feeling the pinch. Last year ,international tourism fell 7% and domestic up 4%. So , prudent domestic golf tourists, are you going to pay lets say £615 to play at Menie or maybe £115 to play at Newburgh championship links (two miles further up the road ). The choice is yours.
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Buttress,

04/07/2008 16:59:53
77 - you know what you say is untrue, as has been stated here repeatedly. Also - your argument is undermined by abusive terms, as indeed is Neil's . It all lost credibilty long ago.
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JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 04/07/2008 17:23:11
Okay Buttress exactly what part of my post at 77 is untrue. Provide some evidence because all you have done in the past is shift the goalposts. To be honest you lot seem to move more than the "embryonic shifting dunes" BTW don't get on my case about abusive terms when your mates as a matter of course use personal abuse to respond to any of the natives who dare to question their "superior knowledge"
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 17:31:20
#85 Apart from a naive notion that Trumpty is out to do something for you, what actually makes you support such a horrible scheme that will turn your back door into just another tuppeny bit disneyesque theme park?

And after you answer that consider whether Trumpty cares a jot about the likes of you or me or whether he does this for himself.
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Buttress,

04/07/2008 17:38:34
My lot? My mates? Do expand...
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JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 04/07/2008 18:04:03
87
Those in your mutual appreciation society. You know very well who I mean

Anyway back to smoke and mirrors no answer to my post 77
I did not expect anything else

86
I support the scheme because my city needs homes, hotels and infrastructure. The same way as I support the AWPR and airport extension.
The oil capital of Europe with the infrastructure equivalent to an English market town. Ford and his cronies are hell bent on preventing any development that does not involve wind turbines and bicycles
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Buttress,

04/07/2008 18:08:43
Not at all. There are others who may agree with me. Are those who may agree with you to be derided in such terms?

I have, however, noted other posts in the past refuting all this. Were they wrong?

Oh dear, your rather sad attacks on Ford continue.

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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/07/2008 19:11:06
#88 So you think Trumpty is a big pocketed charity hell bent on helping normal folk in Aberdeenshire? Give me a break. You cannot be that stupid.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 04/07/2008 19:14:56
hahahahaha

And Annoyingboi gets ignored AGAIN!!!

hahahahaha
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adsullata,

pdx 04/07/2008 19:55:32
The real question is why does Donald not adjust his plans and compromise?

Is there really a need for 2 courses? Couldn't one really amazing course, that is planned around the dunes, be just as welcoming and draw as many people, yet maintain the environmental integrity of the property?

It really bothers me that he could already be breaking ground, the community of Aberdeenshire would begin to see the benefits of economical growth and the planning committee (if that is the right title) can move on to more important issues.

As it stands the Donald just seems to be dragging this out, notably he is getting a large amount of publicity for his estates if and when they are completed, and costing money that apparently Aberdeenshire can not spare with all these inquiries.

It really makes no sense to me why one would waste so much money when the issues can be settled with an adjustment to the plans. I imagine he has spent as much money fighting your government by now, as it would have cost to have his plans redrawn?

What is his real agenda? Serious businessmen do not waste this much time and money, or do they?
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ScotLJM,

Bogota 04/07/2008 20:23:35
#46 Timmie Vs. Trumpie

Wellll... Look who has come down his maple tree to say nothing positive.

Better scurry back up there Can*uck.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 04/07/2008 20:39:39
#93 ScotLJM

If you are going to try and insult me - very feebly indeed - then at least spell the insult correctly, you drooling neanderthal.

It is spelled "Cannuck".

Have fun swinging from tree to tree LJM and dragging your knuckles and drooling as you return to the cave from which you emerged.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 04/07/2008 20:58:42
-- Serious businessmen do not waste this much time and money, or do they?

Yes they do. They waste OTHER people's time and money, never their own.

If I ran an airline - which doesn't interest me - I'd have to keep my planes maintained and employ qualified pilots. Whereas owning land in Scotland - which affects more of the public than merely flying over it - needs no qualifications or regulation at all. Just put in your bribes -- and your money.

What's holding thing together are serious Aberdonians who don't go gaga and weak at the knees when £billlion is wafted in front of their noses.

-- What is DT's real agenda?

A career as a grade one a***hole.
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Nakoosa 1,

Texas 07/07/2008 12:52:33
Just look at the greed and evil on the Trumps face,and listen to his selfish tongue,,,,,,I AM THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 07/07/2008 19:37:18
Gimme a BREAK!!!! :-))

 

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