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Published Date: 04 May 2009
THE contrasting situations of both managers was a constant backdrop as ill-fortune and poor play combined on Saturday to cost Hibernian a point, one which, in truth, they would not have merited.
Having latterly looked capable of riding the storm, Hibs fell prey to a contentious refereeing decision, which saw Chris Hogg given his marching orders following a late challenge on United substitute Craig Conway. With David Van Zanten already off th
e pitch for treatment for a head gash David Goodwillie feasted on the disarray apparent in the Hibs' rearguard and left Ian Murray, still attempting to get his bearings after his hurried redeployment at centre-half, on the turf. The substitute striker's finish was sure, and recalled little of what had gone before as both sides, though mostly United, failed to take advantage of the numerous opportunities presented by slack defending.

Goodwillie's introduction again reflected well on Levein, whose decision to send the same player on against Hibs at the start of last month saw him grab a late equaliser. Indeed, Goodwillie's lime green boots seem to denote a preference for the Easter Road side, or not as the case may be. All of his three SPL goals have come against Hibs, with his most recent ones having significant impact. On-loan Celtic defender Paul Caddis was among those singing Levein's praises after a game which saw United go ahead through a tap-in by Warren Feeney, and then lose the lead after Steven Fletcher scored from similar range.

"Working under a manager of his calibre has been brilliant for me," he said. "Everyone has a different way of managing. Craig Levein has a different way of doing things from Gordon Strachan, and I am benefiting from that. I hope I go back to Celtic a much better player.

"I am not saying Gordon Strachan has not got the respect of the players, but everyone at Dundee United respects Craig Levein so highly," he continued. "He's very fair and treats everyone the same. He doesn't have favourites."

Levein himself was less eager to declare his genius. "It worked today – if it doesn't I tend to keep quite about it," he said of the Goodwillie substitution. His bold team selection might also have gone either way. Fortunately for him the selection of Danny Swanson paid dividends, with United's play a lot more expansive than they are often given credit for. For Paatelainen, however, there was no such vindication.

The circumstances were already tricky as Paatelainen contemplated the team which might get the win needed to sustain faint hopes of qualification for European football next season. Steven Thicot joined Hogg in the centre of defence after suspension ruled out both skipper Rob Jones and also Sol Bamba.

Colin Nish's absence for the same reason was not quite as pivotal, since Hibs have options in attack. One of them, Jonatan Johansson, started his first game in a month, and looked as good as at any stage of his Hibs career.

But the hoped-for blend in midfield was again missing, with midfielder John Rankin pushed out wide with little success. At one stage in the first-half, after another Swanson slalom down the pitch, Rankin was spotted expressing his frustration to the manager, and seemed to plead for a change in tactics. A different outlook will certainly be adopted at Tynecastle on Thursday night, when Hibs travel with some apprehension to face Hearts.

On top of being without the suspended trio of Nish, Bamba and Jones, Hibs might also be deprived the services of David Van Zanten, who received a head gash against Dundee United. This occurred in the lead-up to United's winning goal, and contributed to Paatelainen's anger at the final whistle.

He expressed surprise the game was not stopped, as is the norm with head knocks. Van Zanten's injury could result in a nervy return to the starting line-up for Darren McCormack, whose right-back beat will be uncomfortably close to Hearts supporters unlikely to let his recent court appearance, after an attack on Hearts striker Calum Elliot, pass without comment.

Paatelainen will also have to plan to be without Hogg, whose appeal following his red card is far from certain to be successful. The Finn, in short, does not have his troubles to seek, with the Hibs supporters having tired of below-par displays at Easter Road.

Their dissatisfaction was evident at the final whistle, and making the fare on offer perhaps harder to accept is the obvious talent flushed throughout the club. Paatelainen could do worse than offer quick promotions to members of the Easter Road under-19 team, whose double-winning achievement was celebrated at half-time.

It might promise a better future at Easter Road, although few fans filing away from the stadium on Saturday looked as though this thought was adequate compensation for the misery of the present.

Threadbare Hibs hope to earn a reprieve for red-carded Hogg

MIXU Paatelainen is not a manager who appeals for the sake of it, but circumstances combined with his firm contention that Chris Hogg did not deserve to be shown a straight red card for his challenge on Craig Conway has persuaded him to request that Hibs begin the process which they hope will lead to a reprieve for the defender.

Although the Easter Road club decided against seeking to overturn a red card issued to Steven Fletcher during a Scottish Cup match against Hearts in January, they will submit an appeal on behalf of Hogg tomorrow in the hope the defender is free to take part in Thursday night's derby at Tynecastle.

Paatelainen was adamant Hogg's challenge was worth only a yellow card, but further motivation to appeal is provided by the personnel crisis which currently threatens to undermine their attempt to take anything from the match against Hearts. Defenders Sol Bamba and Rob Jones are already suspended, while a head injury sustained by David Van Zanten in the lead-up to Hogg's red card on Saturday could see him sidelined. Striker Colin Nish is another who won't be available, due also to suspension.

It leaves Paatelainen with a massive headache as he attempts to win back favour with the Hibs supporters, whose boos and jeers were voluble at the final whistle on Saturday after United clinched a late victory through David Goodwillie. Paatelainen could only lament more ill-fortune at the final whistle and described Hogg's red card as a big decision which referee Stevie O'Reilly got wrong.

"I didn't think it was a red card," said the Hibs manager. "I thought Hogg went for the ball totally and full-heartedly, not the other player. But the referee makes the decision and he decided it was a red card. These are very big decisions and they decide matches," he continued. "They have to be correct ones. Unfortunately that wasn't to be today. It was not a malicious tackle. There was no aggression shown there at all. He went for the ball totally. He didn't go for the ankle. He was late, and it possibly might have been a yellow card, but no more than that."

Hibs' case was strengthened by the opinion of both Dundee United manager Craig Levein and match-winner Goodwillie. Both felt Hogg's challenge, while mistimed, was not malicious, and merited only yellow.

"I thought it was harsh," said Levein. "The lad Hogg is an honest, wholehearted defender. We know to our cost. Jon Daly has twice suffered after challenges with Hogg – both of them fair challenges, I must add. But he does go in hard, and I'd expect my defenders to do the same."





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Ex-Pat Stanton,

04/05/2009 01:39:20
...Jonatan Johansson, started his first game in a month, and looked as good as at any stage of his Hibs career.

Eh, so he looked like an arthritic cart horse with pidgeon toes and lumbago?

THis result was indicative of our entire season. One where we have been lucky rather than unfortunate.

We were lucky to hold out till the 89th minute for a draw...

Mixu, You dont really need the money do you? Just go quietly and quickly, or pick up a couple of books on FItba tactics. Not ones with the word 'hoof' in the title either. We know you've got that tactic right...
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Private Pike,

04/05/2009 02:32:51
JJ came with a reputation for being a prolific goal scorer so it was only natural for Mixu to play him in right midfield. In front and through the middle he looks a far better player.

After all Mixu has obviously thought long and hard and decided that our most dangerous goalscorer should play left midfield. Its a joy to see Riordan being expected to fetch and carry nowadays instead of all that boring scoring goals nonsense.

As I commented on a previous match report, AOB is a left footed player who plays better on the left and is a natural left winger. So, why not play him on the right where his performances attract the sort of abuse normally reserved for mass murderers.

Murray showed on saturday that, when fit, he should never be out of the team. Mixu has therefore recently played him in that strategically essential position, the bench.

When McCormack came into the team earlier in the season he showed that he was a natural ball player, strong, surefooted and intelligent. On Saturday Mixu preferred to go with 9 players rather than bring McCormack on.

We can add that Mixu does not see the need for a midfield, preferring to lump the ball up from defence.
He also only sees the need to make substitutions for injuries as he deliberately eschews all this nonsence about tactics.

All in all then, a manager to be proud of and we are lucky to have him.
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Cammy,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 03:52:39
It was yet again painful to watch, but nothing new there.

Happy to donate the points to DU we had no use for them, just like we have no use for Mixu.

It was good to see Rod Petrie at the game, I was beginning to think that the board must go shopping on a Saturday afternoon. Perhaps they might consider coming out of their long slumber and finally do their job.
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Cammy,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 04:05:52
You can't post on the Hearts article, but thought it worth pointing out that Heart's next match against Hibs is at Tynecastle, not ER as stated. (jeez)

Also thought that Hearts played well yesterday and were unlucky not to get anything from the game. Hopefully they'll be rubbish on Thursday, as we now have Hogg, Bamba, Jones and Nish suspended.

Not looking forward to the game, but you never know. (sigh..)
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jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 04/05/2009 05:26:36
Did the Hibs really want to beat Utd and help the JT'S Euro push ??????

Just asking.

Watched the game last nite Cammy, Hearts played OK probably had about 65% of the possession but they can't cross and can't score.So maybe you don't have all that much to fear unless somebody finds his shooting boots.

MON THE JT'S

mixu must stay
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James,

Dundee 04/05/2009 07:41:03
Well done United.

Good to see Danny Swanson starting and looking like player who could a star.

Onwards to Thursday, and if Aberdeen can be dispatched, and if the JTs drap a point, then it's all to play for at Tynie on 16th!!
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James,

Dundee 04/05/2009 07:42:21
**be**

Europa League a possiblity now.
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Northern Hibby.,

04/05/2009 09:35:50
As with most games this season, as long as Mixup can delude himself that the referee decided the outcome of the game, then that will be fine. In reality, that is pitiful, and if United had not headed home with all three points, it would have been an injustice. We were hopeless. Disjointed. No balance or fluency to our play and worst of all, no tactical input from the sidelines to at least try to counter the United gameplan. The under 19's at half time, just rubbed salt into the wounds because it would be a crying shame if this crop of talent is offered to Mixu. Perhaps Rod Petrie, who was booed on the pitch at half-time, should have taken a longer look around the half empty ground and realised that you reap what you sow. 10 out of 10 to the visiting support though.
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Bosco Bhoy,

----Donegal------ 04/05/2009 09:59:54
A big congrats to Alex McLeish and Roy Aitken on Birmingham earning their promotion to the EPL yesterday.
Two uncomplicated genuine football men who do everything in an honest straightforward manner.

Fair play to them both.


I see for others its a different day but same old bile.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 10:04:45
13 talk of toun

I agree that if McCarthy does go to CP he like any young player moving to a big club runs the risk of not getting a game and his career stalling, but if he is as good as so many say he is then he must believe in his ability and feel he can go there and have an impact.

Many Everton fans felt Rooney was foolish to go to United at the time and likewise Celtic fans viewed Liam Millar move as naieve but often its up to the player to strive to prove himself at the next level.
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Dood,

04/05/2009 10:14:28
#14 Northern Hibby

You sum it all up rather well.

Since the BUFFOON has failed to do the decent thing. Since the board have failed to recognise the dire situation we are in. Since the media fail to report accurately on this situation.......

One solution left. Completely turn on the board. Force them into making the decision. Boycotting at this stage of the season is pointless. Boycotting season ticket sales for next season is not. However, I suspect that the majority of those who are not renewing are probably smothered in apathy and have not told the board that they are not renewing/why they are not renewing.

I will not be back at Easter Road until the BUFFOON is sacked. I have informed the board of this. I know that I am one of many like minded Hibs supporters.

MIXU MUST GO (oh aye, and Park, Evans, Marshall.......)

GGTTH
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 10:20:58
unhealthy.......well i would say its unhealthy to come on here before 10 in the morning slagging other clubs and their fans off-----i suppose like any other day then......how sad?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 10:24:56
OK
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 10:29:18
Strange that Smith is considering not playing his two in form strikers next weekend. You would have thought that was a given but as many decent gers have pointed out over recent months his team selections are often bewildering at best.

Personally id have no probs as a Celt if Boyd gets the nod to play but i have always like the look of Velicka and hope he stays on the bench.
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 10:37:17
#16 - "Bougherra has been the best and most consistent player of the year". Really? Says who - apart from you, that is?

As for McCarthy going to Tynecastle, I think it would be a shrewd move for the player to go to Hearts and work with Laszlo. He'd also be guaranteed a move later as Romanov would certainly want him sold-on.

But, as to McCarthy's willingness to play for Hearts, who knows? If he's in the knee-jerk anti-Hearts mould of the likes of Charlie Nicholas, Andy Walker, et al, there's probably little chance.

Probably an academic discussion, however. I doubt Romanov has the vision or the ambition to try and sign McCarthy.
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04/05/2009 10:37:19
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04/05/2009 10:39:08
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04/05/2009 10:44:14
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 10:46:27
#27 - I've assumed the four candidates for the award are nominated by people who watch a range of SPL teams over the course of the season.

As for me, I only watch Hearts on a regular basis, so my opinion would be hopelessly parochial and therefore biased...
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 10:47:11
Great to see lifelong Celtic fan Manny Pacquiao destroy Hatton at the weekend. Afterwards on Filipino radio Manny said he hoped his win would inspire the Celts go on and claim a 4IAR.

Hail Hail
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 10:48:26
29 Bleeding

Would McCarthy be a stick on for a game every weekend at Hearts?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 10:54:10
Bleeding

"As for me, I only watch Hearts on a regular basis, so my opinion would be hopelessly parochial and therefore biased..."

To be fair to you that would be true of 100% of punters re the teams they support, its just you have the intelligence to acknowledge it--some dont.
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 11:01:47
#31 - He'd be a difficult player to ignore, but I think Csaba's a straightforward, honest, guy.

So, if McCarthy wasn't playing well enough, or his attitude was wrong, I don't think Csaba would play him.

Mind you, how likely is this?

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Iain Mac,

http://tocasaid.blogspot.com/ 04/05/2009 11:15:29
Hearts played well yesterday. Not enough threat in front of goal though, even though they were camped in Rangers half for the 2nd period. Another lazy win by the Great Satan.

Didn't see Hibs, but the radio made them sound woeful.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:15:39
#36

as he is a Celtic fan and why would he wish to play in front of fans who so many still despise his type of people
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:17:33
#33

"British soldiers of the 45 Commando getting such a warm reception from both the Rangers and Hearts fans at half time on Sunday ... these guys really are the true hero's"

You should consider that maybe the mothers and children of Afghanistan and Iraq may differ in that view
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:19:27
#39

as many young men do he may just base that decision on what will be in his best financial interest and at the moment that means Celtic will come out on top
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

04/05/2009 11:20:28
There's no doubt he'd be served immeasurably better by going to Hearts for a couple of years rather than getting splinters at CP but it just ain't gonna happen, is it?


Oh, MIXU MUST GO! The most stupid, witless, incompetant, infuriating, drivel-talking, tactically inept, humourless, ignorant bawheid ever to be a manager, erm, ever. He makes Mr Bobby look like a football visionary, ffs.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:21:56
Bosco

I also enjoyed the fight. My brother is a Priest and lives in Manila. he says the locals see Pacquiao as a God. I don't mind Hatton but the English media do over rate him.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:24:17
#43

foreign ones are fine but the hordes at Ibrox are not that keen on the McCarthy brand,something they have let the boy know on a number of times
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04/05/2009 11:27:31
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Giuseppe Tortolano,

04/05/2009 11:28:36
ARF! This from the "Classic Match":

"Degryse was in the wars after just 20 seconds when Joe Tortolano scythed him down with a reckless over-the-ball challenge. The left-back was booked and was fortunate not to be sent off."

And who could forget the Gordon Rae testimonial when Super Joe put WGS into the terracing, also in the first minute. In a testimonial! What a player!
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:36:20
#46

"Only a supporter of terror could come up wae that ... what team dae you support again"

World opinion would disagree with you as the global consus is that US and UK forces have commited war crimes in those countries and at the very least shouldnt have been there killing innocents
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:38:12
#51 Talk


i think he is too young to go to Parkhead but its obvious that if he has the potential as many feel the young Irishman will end up in the Premiership
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:43:13
#56 Talk

Your club would be a good spot for a few years maybe until 21 or 22 and if he was to continue to progess then maybe head south

The coaches involved with him in Ireland have went on record as saying he is one of the best prospects in years
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 11:46:10
I am a bit surprised at the awards.

My vote would have been for Caldwell and Billy Reid.

But then when one actually looks at stats they will point towards Walter Smith being Manager of the Year. Yes it is me saying it. And yes even I can hardly believe it.

Looking at the stats one can see that Rangers haven't lost a cup tie (except the CIS final in xtra) all season and are in a position to win a double. (But I hope they don't)

Add to this Smith has had to manage RFC under terrible circumstances.

1. The club have to sell before they can buy.
2. No European money
3. His captain disgracing the club and then banning him.
4. His goalkeeper likewise
5. His top scorer being difficult at times and in and out of favour.
6. His chairman telling him to put the whole team up for sale midway through a season.
7. His squad are ageing and had a long hard season last year.

It's hard for a Celtic fan to fathom but if Smith were to win the double it would one incredible management feat in the circumstances and he would be deserving of Manager of the Year.

I sincerely hope it doesn't happen, but stranger things have occured in football.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:47:30
#56 Talk

can i ask you how far do you feel Hearts are off the likes of Celtic and Rangers?

watching the SPL this season my impression is that there is not much of a difference between Hearts and Rangers and the gulf between Celtic has narrowed quite a bit as well

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Stoobing,

London 04/05/2009 11:47:45
Swine flu outbreak on the Hibs v Utd message board! Suggest immediate quarantine - can the Scotsman not set up a swine flu board so these OF children can squabble on there?

Cracking result for United, and deserved. Disappointed in Shala but great that Swanson got a good run out and performed well. Hope Sandaza's fit for Thursday, he loves scoring against the sheep.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 11:49:06
Bosco

Not sure Pacquiao is a Celtic fan.

He is a Celtics fans...that is the Boston Celtics.

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Stoobing,

London 04/05/2009 11:49:51
Mr Curvesome - go off and get yourself some Tamiflu. And don't sneeze on others, there's a good swine.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 11:50:26
he asked:

Post 15

By Mr Curvesome

Chances of him of going tae Hearts are non existent as he is a fully paid up member of the indoctrinated fundamentalists ...

Case closed!
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 11:50:55
Stoobing do you think Utd will finish third?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 11:51:56
Curvisome

Looks like JC at post 67 has stitched you up a kipper.

Hehe
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 11:58:36
69

The injury list was no worse than Celtic's. At the start of the season we were minus a full team as well...

Remember....we had...

Boruc injured
VoH
Sami
Aiden
Shaun
Donati
Crosas
Willo
Hinkel
Naylor

At one point we were lining up with

Mark Brown
O'Dea
Caddis
Caldwell
Loovens
McManus
Robson
Donati
Sheriden
McD
Naka
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:00:48
Heard a wee rumour that WGS is set to unleash Paddy McCourt at Ibroix next week for the last 20 mins...

Tremble Rangers...tremble
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:05:44
73

He did you like a kipper...just take it like a man Curvy.

Your futile attempts at rebuttal are embarrassing.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:09:05
Post 73

"What team do you support? My guess is Celtic and I have come to that conclusion based on your alternative support for Afghan terrorists"

Welcome to Curvy's topsy turvy world.

So Curvesome would you have said that OBL and Abu Hamza are big Celtic fans?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:10:12
75

There is NO British RACE...so how can Bosco be a RACIST?

Deary me...
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:12:26
79

Once man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Some of the worst terrorism ever carried out was by British citizens.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:14:26
it does seem that poster 79,Mr Curvesome is a bit off his head

he will struggle to find any evidence that i support Afghan terrorists
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:15:22
79

You may be able to hold your head up high...but it's where it's up that matters. And your is up your jacksey.

You are Scotlands shame. You are the type of fan Murray wants shot of. Sad thing is, you don't quite see it that way. And I doubt you ever will.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:15:22
82 Mr Curvesome,
any evidence that i support Afghan terrorists
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:17:01
#84 Talk

McCourt is a special talent and can have an impact for Celtic in the few remaining games left
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:17:13
82

Explain your post.

You are making an absolute fool of yourself with posts like 82.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:17:49
Mr Curvesome,
any evidence that i support Afghan terrorists
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:18:20
87

Explain your post

You are making an utter clown of yourself with posts like 87.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:19:13
TM

is this guy for real?

is this typical behaviour of Rangers fans?
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:20:32
92

Hard to believe he is so stupid. I don't think I have ever encountered such a stupid Rangers fan, and I have met many - stupid Rangers fans. But this one seems to be in a zone of his own.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:20:41
to the question

any evidence that i support Afghan terrorists?

Mr Curvesome has said a big fat zero, not surprising from this sad individual
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:21:55
still no answer but LOL
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:22:28
you make daft and ignorant claims without tha ability to back them up LOL
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:22:45
94

In post 87, he has said that British soldiers in Afghanistan are in fact terrorists. But his fellow Rangers fans to a man cheered them yesterday.

Hard to believe the level of stupidity.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:23:44
Talk o' the Toun,
Mr Curvesome...you my man are representative of everything that is wrong with Scottish football..


seems that Hearts fan got it about right.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:24:57
Mr Curvesome is on the run LOL
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:25:46
still no answer but
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:27:06
I was disgusted that RFC greeted the British soldiers yesterday.

These guys are only doing their jobs. Many of them are not Rangers fans - some will be Hearts fans, Celtic fans, Thistle fans etc...but Rangers deliberately used them for a PR stunt. A PR stunt to rally the wrong types around the Ibrox cause. The types of that Murray keeps saying he wants rid of. How can Murray get rid of the BNP supporting Rangers fans when he pulls stunts like this?

Stick to football Murray and stop trying to create this mythical "British Club" it is only pandering to the BNP.
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04/05/2009 12:27:11
on the run............
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:29:20
anti-Brit fundamentalist but i am British you idiot
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:29:50
Curvisome...looks like your getting yer aass whipped yet again.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:30:31
Talk o' the Toun,
Mr Curvesome...you my man are representative of everything that is wrong with Scottish football..


seems that Heart fan got it about right.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:32:06
anti-Brit fundamentalist and pro Afghan terrorist but no evidence to back up these crazy claims

does this guy know this is a football forum?
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:32:43
...........on the run.........
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:33:33
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That's one of Rangers Fans big problems - recognizing thatyou can be British, but not support the BNP, the UVF, UDA, OL or Rangers FC.

You see they seem to think they are the true brits - yet they worship a German Monarchy, follow a Dutch tyrant's doctrine and support England despite being Scots/Irish.

Bizarre? They surely are.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:34:38
you are ruining this football forum for the genuine fans of football so can you go away
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:35:54
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So Britain obliterating Afghanistan and Iraq allows me a freedom of speech...

Yer head is still up yer jacksy..I see.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:37:04
Curvisome you best chuck it mate...yer taking a public spaanking here...
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:38:20
TM

best if we ignore this idiot as he seems incapable of real football discussion, probably knows little of the sport and is only involved for his obvious hatred of whoever
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:39:20
JC

Funny when the likes of Curvy takes a beating...they always start the "aw poor wee JC or TM or DV or Bosco" it's so predictable, but still funny nonetheless.

Curvy's probably walking around his bedsit just now punching and headbutting the plaster off the walls.
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:39:39
any Rangers fans ever told Mr Curvesome to chill out and leave the baggage behind i wonder?
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122 LOL
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James Connolly,

04/05/2009 12:40:40
is he not married with kids?
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04/05/2009 12:42:05
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It's one of the problems with football, it attracts nutters who want to use it as a platform.

RFC have the biggest problem with this. They have created a platform for the nutters with allegiances to the terrorists in NI and the BNP. An ugly and lethal concoction of knuckledraggers.
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04/05/2009 12:44:01
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If he is, then I pity his poor wife and kids.

Somehow I doubt he's married with kids - he spends too much time on here to be a real family man.
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04/05/2009 12:44:14
TM
seems like we have cleared the place of the stench anyway
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Thank God
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He must of headbutted the wall too hard.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 12:46:43
Be interesting to see the line up on Saturday.

WGS might go for One up front and flood the middle.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 13:08:44
If I were WGS I'd start with...

Boruc
Hinkel
Naylor
Loovens
Caldwell
Robson (if Fit)
Hartley
Aiden
Crosas
McD

I'd bring Naka on second half and also Shaun...maybe VoH (but I don't rate him)

If we dominate Velicka and Boyd the game is ours as I don't see where else Rangers can trouble us.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 04/05/2009 14:03:42
Another thread that has f*** all to do with the Old Firm hijacked and ruined by the great unwashed. Why don't you lot book a room in a motel on the M8 somewhere and conduct your little love-in where the rest of us, who don't give a flying f*** about the ugly sisters, don't have to be exposed to it?

Fantastic result for United - that late goal is probably the biggest goal of our season so far. Taking something from Aberdeen is critical for us on Thursday. Three points would be fantastic, one wouldn't be a disaster.

Harsh red card for Hogg, no doubt. I'd be raging if that had happened to us. I feel sorry for the Hibs fans who don't have much to play for over the last 4 games. Still, I'd like to be the first to wish them the very best of luck in their remaining matches ;-)

SOFBTRC!
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 16:35:27
137 Talk o' the To

Waste of time there big fella.

He contiually gets pulled up by Celts (no surprise there) as well as Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts fans and only the other night he was told off by a fellow ger.

He is beyond repair.
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 16:50:07
#138 - Are you still here? Dearie me! Post #40 - what did that say, again...

"You should consider that maybe the mothers and children of Afghanistan and Iraq may differ in that view."

So, in other words, the mothers of children caught up in the crossfire between our troops and "insurgents" may not be overly fond of our presence and of our military. In fact, they may blame our military for the loss of their children.

Is that so outlandish a perspective? Is it not a perfectly reasonable hypothesis? If not, tell us WHY not.

You also say that to hold such a view is "anti-army and anti Brit". Is it? Again, please tell us WHY it must be so.



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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 17:11:35
I see the real Ronaldo has found some of his old form and has banged in 9 goals in 8 games for Corinthians.

What a player in his day eh and i wont be surprised to see him play for Brzil next year in South Africa.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 17:15:53
140 bleeding heart

We both know that many millions of Americans and British people hold the view you put forward in yer post but its a complete waste of time trying to have any sort of informed and reasonable debate with that loony.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 17:26:11
Yap yap yap......
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 17:32:26
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I wasn't have a go at the British Army...I was having a go at Rangers for using them for a cheap PR stunt.

It was YOU Curvy, who called the British Army terrorists in Afghanistan.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 17:38:14
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And I am talking about YOUR post 87...you called British Soldiers terrorists.

Run along? Aye right. I'd rather stay and watch you take another doing.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 17:39:32
How much that Curvy tries to get his Post 87 removed.

Watch how he makes the damning evidence disappear.
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 18:05:29
#141 "...he was having a dig at the British army".

Was he, indeed? Or is that just your interpretation?

And you've still to answer my questions in #140...
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Far, far from Glasgow 04/05/2009 18:22:32
Alan Pattullo's story was about the Hibs-United game on Saturday.

So why don't all you Old Firm bigots just fuq aff?
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 19:41:51
#158 - You still haven't answered my questions in #140.

What's stopping you?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 19:44:35
DV

Im actually sick of this moron ruining it for us all and his single agenda.
Real pity the Scotsman and moderator who have obviously banned his pseudonym on a number of occasions cant go a step further and ban his IP address.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 19:48:57
bleeding heart

Do you think Hearts can bridge the gap in the next year or so between yourselves and the 2 in Glasgow?

I always think its one thing raising yer game against the likes of CFC or RFC but sometimes the harder part is gaining the next 3 points away to the likes of say a Motherwell and thats the crux of it more often than not.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 19:54:47
DV 165

Really cant see us losing especially as we dont need to chase the game and all the pressure is on Walter and his boys. With everything thats gone on this year at Ibrox i feel WS must be regretting going back to Ibrox and putting his legacy at RFC now into question.

Although saying all that its still is a derby match and anything can happen on the day and i do think that the 2 teams are not streets apart in what they will bring to the game.

Hope that big VoH who i cant stick and am desperate to see the back of will do the usual and prove me wrong against the bears.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 19:57:20
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I mean is it too much to ask for Celtic to deliver a Barca like performance with sexy one twos and wee triangles here and there.
C'mon bhoys give us Celtic football. LOL
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:14:51
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Yap yap yap yap!


On no here we go again does he ever talk football?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:17:02
Derek McInnes=Bluenose =Rangers mindit=hanging offence

According to some peoples logic.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:18:46
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You imagine the controversy if one of our players had been nicknamed the 'bomber' eh?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:19:57
A good mate of mine from Derry plays for the reserves and he reckons good chance of that actually happening.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:21:30
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Hope Desmond can pull some of the many strings he worked hard to develope to get the first team down into the EPL over the next few years.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:22:49
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Imagine how the Celtic story and the Celtic brand would flourish outside of the SPL?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:23:47
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Some echo on here or is some eejit talking to himself.




Or maybe its a mongrel barking away up a close.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:26:08
No chance of him being called the PC brigade more likely the Waffen-SS Brigade eh. LOL
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:28:01
Bily no mates, no wife or kids not even a bird buy trying hard to be muckers with 2 tims.
The poor guy. LOL
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:28:47
Yap yap yap.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:29:13
Im sure i hear a mongrel up a close.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:31:38
Remember what Barca chief Laporta said.

He said: “The Celtic supporters are fantastic, in fact the best travelling supporters in the world, as we have seen many times. We can assure Celtic supporters they will receive a very warm welcome when they visit the city. I know that Celtic supporters are extremely passionate about their club, a club which I believe, like FC Barcelona, is different.

"We know that supporters will travel in huge numbers to follow their team, but we also know the reputation for good behaviour which Celtic fans enjoy and we are looking forward to hosting the Celtic fans in the city once again.
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:33:02
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Now he is reduced to chatting about child abuse something that a decent bear has already pulled him on.

Does this individual have no morals?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:33:53
As Murray said "the enemy within"
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:36:07
He posted today at 9.43 with some bile and he is here nearly 12 hours later spewing the same hate filled shoite.

How angry and bitter can he be?
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 20:37:36
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What you think of McGeadys progress this year.
Last year he was great but it seems he has stalled this year and too often he is hot and cold during a match.
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04/05/2009 20:39:03
He is a member of Totenkopfverbände methinks.
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04/05/2009 21:00:07
can anyone tell me who is top of the predictor league
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scottish turk,

04/05/2009 21:08:41
lets hope RFC and Scottish Turk do the double

FOLLOW FOLLOW
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scottish turk,

04/05/2009 21:11:16
and iv still got 2 jokers to play this week Rangers 2 celtic 1

FOLLOW FOLLOW
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Daillyman,

04/05/2009 21:13:56
I'd like to see WS play Davis in the centre of midfield rather than him being stuck out wide on the right. But it wont happen. Gers to edge the match 2-1 and go top of the league this weekend.
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04/05/2009 21:24:09
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I like Weir to nod in a corner for the 1st goal.
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scottish turk,

04/05/2009 21:26:07
the SPL's top goal scorer will hit the back of the nett first and i wont be surprised if he hits a double.

FOLLOW FOLLOW
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top of the league 04/05/2009 21:29:42
i fancy the Edinburgh derby strongly for a 1 all draw
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 21:41:51
C'mon Dailyman set piece goal from Weir how predictable?
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04/05/2009 21:42:54
229 Turk

He isnt really renowned for that is he scoring against the top teams.
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top of the league 04/05/2009 21:53:09
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just wait and see time will tell but i fancy him to score, well that is if he is playing.

FOLLOW FOLLOW
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scottish turk,

top of the league 04/05/2009 21:55:36
you are either the top goal scorer or your not its that simple, dont you think.
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04/05/2009 21:58:29
239 Turk

You know its a bit more complicated than that. WS clearly feels no matter his goals tally there are plenty of limitations to Boyds game and against the big teams RFC have better options up front.
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Edinburghs only big team,

04/05/2009 22:01:54
I am delighted that once again Mixu has delivered.

Mixu must stay!
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Daillyman,

04/05/2009 22:04:18
234 BB

Okay anyone from the Gers to score first from a set piece.
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top of the league 04/05/2009 22:10:24
we could talk all day about Boyd and his goals but lets wait till Saturday and by the way i will miss the match as my daughter is getting married at half one(damn bloody timing)lets hope the result is as good as the wedding please.

FOLLOW FOLLOW
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 22:15:56
I think Saturday will be a funny game...

It will be quite cagey then Rangers will go for it...and throw everything at us...and Boruc and Caldwell being immense...But I fancy the RFC avalanche to be to our advantage and we will win with a couple of breakaways...

2-0 and scorers McD and VoH despite him being a donkey.
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scottish turk,

04/05/2009 22:22:24
I have a feeling Boyd will be playing on saturday and he will score.
2-0 you reckon slim, cant see it myself 2-1 to the most successful team in Scotland.

FOLLOW FOLLOW
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 22:35:32
2-0 to the FIRST BRITISH team to be Champions of Europe.
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scottish turk,

04/05/2009 22:39:33
well lets hope its a good game for all the right reasons as i said 2-1 to the mighty Glasgow rangers Boyd to score first and 6 points for me on the predictor table and not forgetting a great day for my family on my daughters wedding day.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 22:40:08
So far it's been a good week for the good Celtic men;

Cnampions manager Gordon win Manager of the Year

Champions player Scotty wins Player of the Year

World Champion Pacquiao beats Hatton

John Higgins (great Celtic man) becomes World Champion...again. (whatever happened to Graeme Dott!)

Now a win on Saturday would cement our dominance.
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scottish turk,

04/05/2009 22:42:34
2-1 to the team thats holds a WORLD RECORD 51 league titles.

FOLLOW FOLLOW
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Bosco Bhoy,

04/05/2009 23:09:51
252 TM

Dont forget the other good Celtic people who are on a roll.

Gerard Butler just signed up for another Holywood blockbuster.

Carol Ann Duffy has been appointed Britain's first ever female Poet Laureate.

...and please lets consider the dynmaic Susan Boyle who is taking America by storm.
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TM, they'll never take away my freedom,

04/05/2009 23:17:27
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Then they installed cameras at the game and all the cheating slowed up...how many have RFC won since cameras were at the game.

Half the titles you won were blatent cheating.

BTW Linfield have won twice as much as Rangers
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 23:20:35
#173 - Yes, you did "post earlier", but you didn't reply to my questions in #140.

Read #140 again (or indeed, for the first time) and answer my questions, which were/are...

1.) Is that so outlandish a perspective? Is it not a perfectly reasonable hypothesis? If not, tell us WHY not.

2.) You also say that to hold such a view is "anti-army and anti Brit". Is it? Again, please tell us WHY it must be so.
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Bleeding Heart,

04/05/2009 23:31:25
#166 BB - I think either of the Edinburgh teams or Aberdeen have the potential to challenge the Old Firm, but each club would need significant financial backing.

As far as Hearts is concerned, Romanov in my view has proved himself to be inept and has since lost interest in making the team one that is capable of a serious challenge.

In addition, having overseen an increase in the club's debts, I can't see Romanov investing significantly in the players Hearts would need to challenge the OF.
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postcode atlas,

04/05/2009 23:56:01
And talking of good Celtic people lets not forget Susan Rice new CEO Lloyds Banking Group and amongst many other things,bankers to Rearrangerz F.C.

Susan was ultimately responsible for letting loose the "asset hounds" when reviewing Rearrangerz banking arrangements 5 weeks ago.

Given some of the sing songs renowned for amongst the Ibrox hordez they will not be taking any comfort when they are advised that Susan is of Irish/American descent.


Come on Susan, let those hounds off their leesh.

Grrrrrrrrr...WOOF WOOF....SNARL.
Isn`t it.
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jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 05/05/2009 04:58:41
Can anyone explain how the bigot brothers get away week after week with the sectarian songs clearly heard at Ibrox again on Sun.
Hearts get fined for farting at the wrong time so why the bias or is it really the GFA.

MON THE JT'S

mixu must stay
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jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 05/05/2009 08:44:48
Although it has nothing to do with football may be the mothers and children of Iraq and Afganistan prefered the Taliban and Saddam somehow I don't think so.
These guys are heroes and anyone who says otherwise should move to Iraq or Afganistan.

MON THE JT'S

mixu must stay
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Bleeding Heart,

05/05/2009 21:07:33
#260 - You clearly lack integrity.

You've bottled answering my questions because you know your answers will expose you as having no objectivity and being a bigot.

Sad...

 

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