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Published Date: 16 September 2008
SLAM. Slam. Slam. Slam. Like a scene from a gathering of Mafia dons, the doors of 30 black Lincolns slammed shut as their besuited occupants stepped out into a Manhattan downpour – and into a global financial storm.
That storm broke yesterday, with stock markets tumbling around the world. In London, the FTSE 100 plunged almost 4 per cent to 5204.2. Scotland's banking giants were among the biggest victims. HBOS slumped 17.5 per cent; Royal Bank of Scotland lost 12.2 per cent. In the US, the Dow Jones industrial average suffered its biggest fall since 9/11.

The collapse effectively began at 6pm last Friday. The place: the offices of the New York Federal Reserve. The occasion: an emergency meeting of the most powerful figures in American banking and finance aimed at staving off a massive bank collapse.

Those who stepped from their limousines to be present included Richard Fuld, the chairman and chief executive of Lehman Brothers; John Mack, the head of Morgan Stanley; Jamie Dimon, of JP Morgan Chase; Vikram Pandit, of Citigroup; Lloyd Blankfein, of Goldman Sachs; Bob Diamond, the head of Barclays Capital; and senior representatives from Mellon Bank and Royal Bank of Scotland.

"We are the biggest overseas bank in America", explained an RBS spokeswoman. "There was an 'all points bulletin' from the Fed and they called us in".

Awaiting them along one side of the boardroom table was the United States Federal Reserve chairman, Ben Bernanke – nicknamed Helicopter Ben for having slashed interest rates and showered Wall Street with money earlier this year to avoid the very disaster that was about to unfold.

Flanking him was Hank Paulson, the US treasury secretary, and Tom Geithner, chairman of the New York Fed. It was Geithner who opened the meeting – and presented Wall Street's finest with the fright of their lives.

Either there was a Wall Street rescue for Lehman, or the investment bank would have to face the consequences. An eerie silence ensued.

An analyst at RBS Greenwich in New York summed up the most dramatic meeting of America's top bankers thus: "I thought last weekend was crazy, but this one was even more chaotic.

"Everyone expected to hear by early Sunday evening that the Fed/Treasury had managed to arrange a shotgun wedding for Lehman with someone – Bank of America, Barclays, private equity. A funny thing happened on the way to a deal.

"The New York Fed called in all of the head honchos and said that they had a great deal for them. One lucky participant would get to buy Lehman's business and their 'good' assets for a bargain price.

"The others would get a consolation prize: a chance to contribute their own precious capital to fund a bank of Lehman's 'bad' assets. The Fed and Treasury were said to be 'adamant' that public money would not be involved in any bail-out.

"No government money? OK, no deal."

The meeting set the tone for the weekend. By Saturday morning, more than 100 bankers were involved. Paulson refused to budge on pleas for government underpinning of the Lehman "bad bank" proposal: $41.8 billion (£23.3 billion) of property and up to a further $40 billion of "toxic" assets that had been infected by subprime mortgage loans or derivatives.

Cookies and coffee arrived. Then ghoulish crowds began to gather, reminiscent of those that had assembled in Wall Street 80 years ago as the stock market crashed.

The last of the meetings broke up late on Sunday, by which time there were no fewer than three separate frenzied huddles of investment bankers. One comprised credit traders trying to agree an orderly unwinding of Lehman's default swaps to avoid utter mayhem yesterday morning.

Another room was full of regulators trying to put a floor under AIG, the world's biggest insurer, whose shares had crashed the previous week.

The third was putting together a massive $50 billion rescue takeover by Bank of America of Merrill Lynch – the investment bank to broking giant that is famous for its "raging bull" logo.

The United States is now in the throes of its biggest banking crisis in 70 years, stirring terrible memories of panics, bank failures, bankruptcies and mass unemployment. First Bear Stearns had to be rescued. Then the government had to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two largest US mortgage providers. Now Lehman Brothers.

Dick Fuld, who threatened to break the legs of any partner caught shorting Lehman stock – gambling on the value of shares falling – is now just another name on a lengthening list of the "Masters of the Universe", a phrase made famous by Tom Wolfe in his 1987 novel of Wall Street ambition and greed, The Bonfire of the Vanities, who have crashed to earth.

AND as Fuld crashed, his personal shareholding in the bank tumbled by more than $500 million. The list of the investment banking world's fallen giants already reads like a Who's Who of money: Charles "Chuck" Prince, the chief executive of Citigroup; Jimmy Cayne, the chief executive of Bear Stearns (RIP); Peter Wuffli, the UBS chief executive, and Marc Ospel, its chairman.

How has it come to this? What caused America's fourth-largest investment bank to crash and file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy? It is unctuously described by some as a "venerable, 158 year-old" institution. In truth, there is nothing particularly venerable about Lehman Brothers – and its elevation to "greatness" is recent.

It began in 1844 as a small shop in Montgomery, Alabama. It developed as an investment company, had a rocky ride in the 1970s, and in the early 1980s was bought by American Express, which sold it in 1993, when Fuld became chief executive.

Lehman floated on the stock market as a minnow boutique bank, with earnings of only $75 million.

But Fuld, a Lehman lifer, was already getting used to life in the "bulge bracket" (a group of investment banks considered the world's most powerful).

Before he took up the top post at Lehman, he found himself in a Las Vegas casino when a bad gambler blew $4 million. The gambler was following a classic strategy: when the cards go against you, double up the bet, because eventually things are sure to turn your way. Fuld took notes on a cocktail napkin as the gambler imploded, reaching the conclusion that bad luck can always continue longer than seems reasonable. "I don't care who you are," he wrote later. "You don't have enough capital."

How prophetic that was to prove.

From 2004, Fuld's fortunes were transformed as Lehman's profits surged. The bank rode what an earlier generation would have seen as a convergence of utter improbables: a wave of deregulation, typified by the scrapping of the Glass-Steagall Act (which kept retail and investment banks separate); low interest rates; and a wave of financial innovation that turned the most toxic loans into fancy credit products.

Sky-high bonuses and share-option packages poured fuel on this fiery concoction.

Lehman embarked on massively leveraged property acquisitions and expansion. Equity trading soared. And the bank plunged heavily into subprime lending. Indeed, just ahead of the market collapse, Lehman underwrote more mortgage-backed securities than any other firm.

IT built up a staggering $88 billion portfolio, 44 per cent more than Morgan Stanley and four times the $22.5 billion of shareholder equity the bank had as a buffer against losses.

But losses? What were they? Mortgage lending had a low default record. And the bank was on a roll, creating ever more ingenious financial products that bonus-driven salesmen sold to bedazzled clients. The group posted record profits, the shares soared towards $70 and bonuses and stock options gushed forth.

Fuld joined the bulge bracket. He was paid $34.5 million in 2005, comprising a base salary of $750,000, a $13.8 million cash bonus, and stock and options worth $19.94 million.

So how does his demise compare with the other fallen idols who have now fled the crashing debris in Wall Street? They may have driven their banks – and their shareholders – into enormous losses. But the former Masters of the Universe will never know what it's like to live in a subprime home.

By the end, 62-year-old Fuld was Lehman's biggest individual stockholder. Despite the crash, he stands to leave with about $65 million, based on Lehman's Friday morning stock price of $3.73. This tally includes 8.6 million unrestricted shares worth some $32.1 million as of Friday morning – though they had been worth $582 million last November before the credit crunch hurricane struck.

Chuck ("I'm still dancing") Prince left Citigroup with a package said to be worth $40 million. He also received a pension of $1.74 million and another one million stock options – worthless at the time of his departure. Merrill Lynch's Stan O'Neal spent much of last summer perfecting his golf swing, confident that his trusty lieutenants at Merrill could avoid those subprime bunkers. It turned out to be a bad call.

HE WAS ousted last October as the first waves of the credit crunch struck, with a retirement package reckoned at more than $160 million.

Jimmy Cayne, 15 years at the top of Bear Stearns, was said to be on the golf course in June 2006 just as the bank dropped the first of many clangers, with a 10 per cent dive in profits. Worse followed, with the bank having to put up $3.2 billion to try to rescue its imploding hedge fund.

By mid-March last year, when the bank collapsed, Cayne, who would rush from Wall Street by chopper to the private Hollywood Golf Club in New Jersey to play 18 holes before dark, had already relinquished the reins, handing over the chief executive's role to Alan Schwartz.

When Schwartz went cap in hand to the New York Fed for a $30 billion bail-out, Cayne was said to be competing in the North American Bridge Championship in Detroit.

Cayne and his wife, Patricia, sold all their 5.6 million shares in Bear Stearns – worth as much as $1.2 billion in January 2007 – for $61.3 million at the end of March this year. The couple recently bought two adjacent apartments in New York's plush Plaza building for $28.2 million.

He left with a $30 million "golden goodbye" – enough to do up his Park Avenue property and a mock Tudor mansion in Greenwich, Connecticut. But it emerged that the mansion, set in 2.3 acres of land, was surplus to requirements. "It no longer meets his needs,'' said the local estate agent, trying to sell it for $6.15 million. He was forced to cut the asking price.

That's how tough it gets at the top in Wall Street.

Scots bank giants shudder as shockwaves cross Atlantic

SHARES in global businesses plunged and analysts warned of a prolonged recession yesterday after leading investment bank Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy.

The move prompted Merrill Lynch, another of the top four US investment houses, to agree a £28 billion takeover bid from the Bank of America.

And it came after insurer American International Group approached the Federal Reserve for £22 billion of short-term financing.

The misery spurred the Bank of England to pump an extra £5 billion into the markets to improve liquidity for frightened banks, and the Fed to accept stocks in exchange for cash loans for the first time.

And MPs on the Treasury select committee said the Bank of England should be given greater powers to call for failing banks to be nationalised in the wake of Northern Rock.

Analysts warned the "whole of the international financial system" was at risk and, if it recovered, would be ensnared by far tighter regulation than in the past.

The FTSE finished 4 per cent lower, the Dow Jones plunged by almost 4 per cent, or 500 points, and shares dropped across the board.

Edinburgh-based banking giants RBS and HBOS were among the worst-hit firms. HBOS reached a yearly low when its stocks almost halved in value at one point in trading. They later rallied to end with a 17.55 per cent drop.

Lehman, a 158-year-old company with about 25,000 staff worldwide, including about 5,000 in the UK, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the US, which puts its operations under the ward of the courts.

Its share price tumbled 90 per cent last week after it reported a £2.2 billion loss precipitated by a £3.9 billion "hit" from commercial property and subprime mortgage losses.

The collapse came after Barclays Bank pulled out of a buy-out deal, reportedly because the US government had refused to issue guarantees.

The government's refusal to get involved is seen by analysts as a turning point following the use of public money in high-profile bail-outs of failing organisations including Bear Sterns, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Ten of the world's biggest banks committed to establish a £39 billion borrowing facility to bolster global liquidity.

Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman, said the situation was "very grave". He said there would be intervention to stop banks failing because the "whole of the international financial system" was at risk.

"I think the least we are going to have to learn from this is that the whole of the financial sector simply cannot return to where it was before. It is going to have to be much more tightly regulated in the public interest."

When the markets opened in the wake of the collapse, UK banks were worst hit.

However, Angela Knight, chief executive of the British Bankers' Association, said "no UK bank was in a similar position to Lehman", which does not take retail deposits.

A spokesman for Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, said the Treasury, Bank of England and Financial Services Authority were in "very close contact" with their US counterparts.

The funds released by the Bank were almost five times oversubscribed by banks. The European Central Bank also made undisclosed funds available to financial institutions. But the Fed refused to step in with direct assistance.

Professor William Perraudin, of Imperial College Business School in London, said banks would again become suspicious of lending to each other, leading to another plunge in the already fragile property market.

In the UK, administrators PWC said Lehman Brothers, the principal UK trading company in the Lehman group, was one of four firms in administration.

Refugees of financial storm flee with golf clubs and fine wines

CLUTCHING golf clubs, branded umbrellas and what appeared to be a box of fine Languedoc wines among other office knick-knacks, bewildered ex-employees yesterday streamed out of the Lehman Brothers' European headquarters at Canary Wharf in London.

Of the collapsed US investment bank's 4,500 UK-based staff, about 24 were made redundant immediately, with the majority due to find out where they stand today or tomorrow.

Staff were sent e-mails telling them the bank was filing for bankruptcy and to report for work at 7am.

Watched by a row of security guards, those who turned up were handed a printed sheet warning them not to engage in any financial transactions.

Tony Lomas, a lead administrator for PricewaterhouseCoopers, which took over the financial firm after it filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday morning, said the "extraordinarily complex" company could take six years to wind up and he was uncertain whether they would be able to pay the £42 million monthly wage bill this Friday.

After staff were given the choice simply to go home yesterday, some of them cried. Others were on the phone to headhunters and recruitment agencies. Elsewhere in the building, employees tried to use up credit on their canteen cards and others consoled themselves with a drink in the company canteen. Many spent the morning clearing their desks and swapping contact details.

Edouard d'Archimbaud, 24, from Paris, arrived in Canary Wharf for his first day of work but did not even make it as far as his desk. Mr d'Archimbaud, who was due to start a £45,000-a-year job as a trader, said he was told on arrival that everybody had lost their jobs. He said: " I've taken out a six-month lease on a flat and I don't know how I will pay for it."

Graduate trainee Jack Reynolds, with the company for only a week, said: "My career has been halted at the first hurdle."

Kirsty McCluskey, 32, who worked on the trading floor, said: "It is terrible. Death. It's like a massive earthquake. It's final. Everybody is just finishing up."

One banker, who is expecting twins, was among the staff laid off. Marion Guilbert, 36, said: "I have been there for seven years. It's even more emotional for a pregnant woman, but you have to take the positives out of it."


The full article contains 2833 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

bumpkin,

16/09/2008 00:06:47
All those ridiculous bonuses should be paid back by law.
The ivory towers are collapsing, along with the governments tax revenues.
The emperor has no clothes!
2

Resolutions,

16/09/2008 00:10:01
All right for some!

Gie's back oor cash folks, and join the Real World.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 00:17:36

OMG!, OMG!, IS IT,?, IS IT,?

YES, YES, IT IS!!

Boy Wonder Posing for fame again! (chosen picture topic)

Nice to see someone making money!
4

Douglas,

Bathgate 16/09/2008 00:24:37
Bankers to a man.
5

HelicopterChris,

USA 16/09/2008 01:10:54
his name is Tim Geithner, not Tom....
6

Scullion,

Canada 16/09/2008 01:48:25
Once again these giants of free enterprise come hat in hand to the taxpayer to bail them out.
As hard as it is for a Scot to say it, this and a hundred other tales of greed and incompetence show that Adam Smith was incorrect. The invisible hand of the marketplace needs a mother's eye on it at all times to give it a slap when it tries to steal from the cookie jar or touch a hot stove.
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 02:01:33

Scullion ~7,

Correct! and it will be all useless to the "Greed" of some, when they are,...

'Long time Dead'!

Far better to aid and appreciate the real values of our Lives.
8

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16/09/2008 02:15:19
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Stephen C,

Boston, USA 16/09/2008 02:20:04
We need to remember that no-one who took on a low-interest/low-payment mortgage and is now suffering was forced to do it. If things had worked out, they would have made out like bandits. What is happening now to house prices and so on is part of the risk in the proverbial risk/reward equation. If you want the reward, you have to be prepared to accept the possibility of risk.
10

longtimewatcher,

Indiana 16/09/2008 03:00:42
Scullion says what all seem to feel. Now if we could only transfer this disaster to like-minded politicians. (No harm intended, of course)
11

Richardinho,

16/09/2008 03:50:25
Seems to me that now more than ever is the time to find out whether the concepts of the free market really are right or not. Why not just let the banks sink or swim? If the theory is wrong, then obviously we risk economic catastrophe-but on the other hand, who's to say that bailing them out will work in the long term either?
12

Ted Voth Jr,

Mad Town Wes' Consin 16/09/2008 04:26:56
'How the Masters of the Universe ran amok and cost us the earth'

Lèse-majesté! How rudely you speak of our wise and good Corporate Masters!! No 'Murkan would ever speak so disrespectfully!!!
13

Frodo the Scot,

ootside an pissed 16/09/2008 04:34:07
ALL executives for these mega-crumplers should be jailed and all the obscene renumerations they received should be returned to the companys
involved. OR ELSE THERE WILL BE ANARCHY
14

Robert Matheson,

Sierra Madre, California 16/09/2008 04:42:00
The legacy of the ultra-incompetent Bush Administration grows and grows!
15

jackolantyrn356,

America 16/09/2008 04:51:40
I know it probably can't be done, but these boys with the golden parachutes should lose the parashute. Just can't figure out a legal way....... Perhaps jail for something......... In the early part of America we had "neck tie" parties and it wasn't Webley or Brooks Brothers either. Oh well...... So much for trusting American Law to protect the little guy.
16

cherokeescot,

Somewhere in a swamp in Georgia 16/09/2008 04:58:59
Its true that if you tried to start a new pyramid business scheme today like Wall Street you would be shut down, indicted, prosecuted and sent to prison.
DOH.
Put your money in a hole in the ground...IT'S SAFER!
17

Gerard Mulholland,

Paris, france 16/09/2008 07:02:31
It is the fundamental duty of all national and international financial authorities to protect individuals, enterprises and society in general from recklessness and fraud by regulating markets and business practises. Since Mrs Thatcher and President Reagan enthusiastically plunged into the theory of monetarism (now disowned by it's author, the repentant Milton Friedman, himself) all governments, all national banks, and all international banks and financial institutions on earth, instead of dutifully regulating gangster capitalism, went completely mad with the unbridled greed it licensed. They 'balanced' their own books -and approved the 'book balancing' by all the leading private financial institutions in the world- by creating a gigantic morass of real debts with fictitious money which is the present crisis. As the direct, eminently predictable and widely predicted result, global debts are now three times bigger than all real assets on the planet, every lender/seller on earth is now chasing everyone else's money hoping to survive and the only solution left is to nationalise absolutely everything without compensation, cancel all debts and start again. All other measures will be but futile half-measures that -at the very best- will merely prolong the ever-deepening agony.
18

Boy Wonder,

16/09/2008 07:13:30
Be like Chuckles Linskaill and put your money under your mattress instead. With all of this kerfuffle going on ... the Old Git just might be right!
19

Mikey,

16/09/2008 07:22:28
What do you expect? Really?

When countries like the US make absolutely no effort to balance the books, then this is what you get! It's time these fat cats were put away for a long, long time! They have ruined lives and livelihoods as surely as if they had robbed people in their own houses!
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McMillar,

Bunker 16/09/2008 07:27:04
Does demonstrate that even the people who claim to be at the centre of the markets don’t really understand global finance! Neither do I by the way…..but I’m sure some people will be making a lot of money out of this. Good time to buy in? HBOS and RBS seem to reach new lows everyday and staff are helpless just going with the flow. Not much they can do to recover from this and will be a clear takeover targets. Merril was a surprise yesterday and you can’t take them seriously now.
21

Russell M,

Stirling 16/09/2008 07:32:47
Masters of the Universe -- indeed. They are still human, barely, and put their pants on one leg at a time. Because we've allowed them to amass such power, any mistake they make is magnified many times. We've all heard the expression, "The bigger they are the harder they fall." The part left out is, "and the more of us they take down with them."

Some one once said, “A Rising Tide Raises All Ships”. The reality is that some ships ride higher, go farther and are less likely to sink than others. These so-called Masters have gone to great lengths to be captains of such ships. At the end of every day they will be wealthy and growing wealthier than the rest of us no matter what the economy does.

We talk about the value of all life. Yet isn't it curious how the remuneration for a particular occupation does not reflect the risk of death in that occupation.

Doing well and gaining reward is admirable and to be encouraged, but at some point this tips over into greed and starts to cost the rest. All of us have a responsibility to not allow or fall prey to this greed. We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.
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spiderman,

argyll 16/09/2008 07:51:06
Rampant financial speculation and greed have rocketed up our oil prices and now they threaten the security of our banks. It should be strictly controlled if not banned. Thanks to our FSA being useless, nothing was done. Thanks to our supposedly financially superprudent prime minister, nothing was done. Where is the plonker now, by the way?
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FISHWICK,

berwick upon tweed 16/09/2008 08:05:18
GOODWIN AT RBS CAN BE A PROUD MAN! THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THAT HIS EGO-TRIP PURCHASE OF ABN AMRO WITHOUT MERRIL LYNCH HAVING THE FUNDING IN PLACE HAS PLAYED AN INSTRUMENTAL PART IN BRINGING THEM TO THEIR KNEES!
24

FISHWICK,

berwick upon tweed 16/09/2008 08:08:44
Merril's collapse was no surprise. It's been on the cards since Goodwin dropped them in it!
25

Brodric,

16/09/2008 08:15:05
No 18 Gerard Mulholland. You are absolutely right.

However, if this "imbridled greed" were only at the level of "all governments, all national banks, and all international banks and financial institutions", it would be bad enough but, unfortunately, almost everyone has tapped into the seeming solution of instant access to everything you ever wanted. If we don't all pay dearly for this situation, it will be nothing short of a miracle.

My partner has a saying, every country has the leader it deserves. In other words, the leader is the expression of the nature of the people. I sometimes wonder if this might be the truth.
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Brodric,

16/09/2008 08:21:27
I cannot fathom why these greedy monsters who have plunged countries, banks, companies, their staff and individuals into financial chaos and insecurity can possibly be allowed to have 'golden parachutes'.

They should be punished severely for the level of suffering they are inflicting on people who are losing desperately (possibly jobs/homes/pensions/all savings). These real losers don't have any parachute.

Take the money from these mammon-worshipping so-called Masters of the Universe and for those who can't be imprisoned, take their cash and make them do voluntary work of the most difficult nature as a punishment for their greed, lack of morality and lack of responsibility.
27

Doh,

16/09/2008 08:39:10


These bankers simply were not being paid enough.
Pay peanuts get monkes.

Had they had decent competitive compensation packages
they would have overcome market forces.

I only hope these bakers get significant pay rises so we can attract the best and brightest to lead us into the next boom.
28

SeriouslyAmused,

Balloch 16/09/2008 08:45:56
This is a symptom of capitalism. Capital is destroyed, the surviving Big Fish swallow the remaining value (ie take-overs) and the cycle begins again. This is NOT like the previous 'failures' of capitalism. For one the US is not tied to actual reserves of gold but can simply print its own money through the Federal Reserve. The danger is China and others calling in their debts, but that is unlikely at the moment.

Much as I would love to see capitalism implode forever, it won't happen. The fat cats are fatter than ever and will simply re-invent the machines to keep the whole process going.

Along the way the poor will suffer, some sandwich bars will go, wine bars will need to restucture their prices, houses will dip in value, piddling service businesses will go to the wall and the lower orders in the banking system will get P45s. The rest of the world will toddle on regardless.
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Gordone,

Glasgow 16/09/2008 08:56:42
Message to all you clever folk out there who have screwed us over.

The MBAlance in the financial sector probably doesn’t even MBArrass you. Personally I would like to see you all MBAlmed and perhaps we can MBArk on a journey of using common sense, prudence and natural intelligence instead of relying on overblown over hyped pseudo business qualifications.

The grand experiment has devastated hundreds of millions of prudent peoples lives. Your delusional ideas, your fixation with only hiring the “brightest” has hurt hundreds of millions of people.I hope you are very impressed with your actions.
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Unimpressed one,

16/09/2008 08:59:34
But amongst this doom and gloom at least oil prices are dropping. They are under $100 a barrel and I reckon they will be around the $50-60 level next year. This will gives central banks some latitude regarding base rates as inflation reduces. So by 2010/2011 things should be back to normal except the banks will be in better shape to act responsibly.
31

Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 16/09/2008 09:00:43
#3, Charles Linskaill - What are you talking about?
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grannie,

Glasgow 16/09/2008 09:30:24
some people would like us to believe all these things are FATE. The world markets are deliberately controlled by these people and all prices food, oil, shares etc are usually governed by their ability to put more money in their own pockets. I sometimes wonder when will they think they have enough. Even when they mess up they still come out tops
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cakeofdestiny,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 09:33:50
Wow Bill, you're so wise and insightful.

You yourself have consistently called for cuts in interest rates - which is the reason why we're in the mess we're in. Far too many people in the West have been offered more money than is reasonable, inflating house prices in a self-perpetuating vicious circle. This post industrial, post 9/11 bubble has been created out of thin air - just another way for rich folks to get richer out of normal folks wallets.

Did you yourself ever once see this coming or argue against the way our economy and the lending bubble was going? No.
34

Toom,

16/09/2008 09:40:53
“The power of producing changes in the world which is possessed by the leaders of big business in the present age far exceeds the power ever possessed by individuals in the past. They may not be as free to cut off heads as Nero and Jenghiz Khan, but they can settle who shall starve and who shall become rich, they can divert the course of rivers, and decree the fall of governments. All history shows that great power is intoxicating.

“Fortunately, the modern holders of power are not yet quite aware how much they can do if they chose, but when this knowledge dawns upon them a new era in human tyranny is to be expected.”

Bertrand Russell (1931)
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New Town Resident,

16/09/2008 09:42:47
Someone needs to take a quick relook at these private bank notes that flood Scotland which are issued as advertisements that purport to be "Scottish bank notes" - the Clydesdale issue is probably OK because their Aussie parent is sound, but what happens if HBOS and RBS run into trouble? Think all the ATM machines here should be filled with BoE notes pronto and the BoE suspends the private issue arrangements for the present methinks.
36

Mike S,

16/09/2008 09:48:33
What role, if any, did the auditors play in the financial collapse of Lehman and other companies? Do auditors truly reflect the financial state of companies? There are so few companies that audit the major corporations and they sem to win either way because they tend to also act for the receivers when companies collapse.
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Glasgow Expat,

Desert 16/09/2008 10:07:17
Blame, blame, blame. It's always the same. Someone has to be to blame. Fact is, we are all to blame. It is human nature. Read Charles Mackay "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds". Written a long, long time ago but remains the real truth behind these episodes. www.elliottwave.com would also have helped people see this coming.
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awareadams,

Chicago, illinois 16/09/2008 10:07:20
A well written and interesting article, not seen in the States.
The credit crisis has its origins in 1) economists who preach the virtue of paper money with no gold value, direct or indirect; 2) the ability of capitalism to pyramid credit supply with paper money; 3) the total lack of capability to provide any reasonable "accounting" as to fair market value of the gambling instruments the credit markets have devised, namely, strips, straps, derivatives, repos, and trades effectuated without the accounting provided by a "Clearing House"; 4) hubris, and 5) a perversion of reality and human nature realized by economics based on Talmud-Machivellian expediency.
There's more to come. Capitalism has a built-in dynamism on the upside, and also on the downside. We now have a writing off of worthless "assets" on balance sheets that snowball each other.
A famous Scot, Adam Smith, understood it all. He would be telling us today that the bankers, many of whom live by the Talmud, have forsaken true "values" for the quick profit of gambling with other people's money.
39

JenJen,

WestIsBest 16/09/2008 10:17:44
Not sure Languedoc produces any "fine wines".
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 16/09/2008 10:37:53
Something to be said for Communism??? ;-)
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New Town Resident,

16/09/2008 10:48:46
41. why do you say that? remeber they have to post money with the BoE for these notes to be valid. This is the reason why these private notes have always annoyed me because it adds to costs of banking in Scotland. Far better to have a Scottish note issued by the BoE. It can have Scotland on it with a national design, all it needs is the cahier signature. After all the BoE already issues Scottish pound coins without any problem.
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SHELDON THE CRACK DEALER,

16/09/2008 10:56:39
GREEEDDDDDD!!!!
If history teaches us one thing it should be that greed always has a reckoning, empires always fall.

The people who exposed Lehmans to all this probably number fewer than 10, they're probably all rich - rich enough not to care about being fired anyway.

Put this in context - this is the first time the US government has refused to intervene in a bankruptcy - had they done so earlier, we would have seen Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae go under too. Bear Sterns is now owned by JP Morgan Chase, and Merril Lynch only survives thanks to a shotgun arrangement with BoA.

We've been sat here arrogantly for years thinking we can tell the world how to live, we can invade Iraq for its oil, we can oppress anything which we don't agree with, we have no obligation to listen to and compromise with the 80% of the globe who don't share our worldview, and all the while the credit cards, the consumer goods, the oil, the easy, well paid jobs, the food, the holidays and the TV channels which fill the void of our existence will just continue ad infinitum.

Well, we have some choices to make, I fear. This could just be the beginning...could be...

First choice - Obama or McCain?
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IainA,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 11:11:58
It's unfortunate that banks are effectively allowed to take ridiculously high risks with their investors money, and then, after they've lost all their investors cash, sting the taxpayer for a government bailout. It's a form of blackmail really, "If you don't rescue us from the consequences of our greed and stupidity, thousands of people may be put out of work" It leaves the government on the horns of a dilemma, bail out the fat cats or see a financial crash. And to cap it all, the crisis isn't even over yet and the financial analysts are bewailing some putative "tighter legislation" which will "hamstring" the financial sector. By which they mean that they can't create dodgy financial packages for bad risk customers to boost their bottom line.
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light hearted,

Fife 16/09/2008 11:12:41

Should we be worried Big Ecky has got his banker friend in to help him - Ha Ha HA?
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mehale,

Dallas, Tx 16/09/2008 11:25:32
Oh my! All of these learned observations (including the article's author) and not one to point the finger in the correct direction. It wasn't purely capitalism or greed that led to this day and most of you will never understand or accept the primary reason. You'll see the real masters on your telly bemoaning the hubris of powerful men. They'll be telling you to look to them to fix all of your problems. What they won't tell you is that they, cloaked in their imperial robes, forced the US mortgage industry to lend money where it shouldn't or face racial discrimination charges. They told the industry not to worry because Freddie and Fannie were there to back them up, provide liquidity, and take out their portfolios. So, go ahead and write smart comments about all that went wrong and the reasons why, but you'll never write the whole truth until you take off your blinders and do a little homework.
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Scotish Exile,

16/09/2008 11:42:34
#52, you may well be right about the USA, but not sure thats what went on here in the UK. Giving out 125% mortgages and not asking for proof of income was criminal.
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Sedov,

Scotland 16/09/2008 11:49:45
With the banks unable or unwilling to lend this will cause more companies like XL travel to go down. The system will gradually recover but only at the expense of jobs. Like the past, it is always the worker who pays for the bosses greed and mistakes. Some of the fat cats will also lose their jobs but will probaly get the usual huge 'severance' pay outs. This crisis has raised to even the hard core market economists the absolute rottenness and greed of the capitalist system which is now in its death agonies.
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grannie,

Glasgow 16/09/2008 11:51:20
New Town resident
I've often wondered why we don't have a Bank of Britain not Bank of England?
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New Town Resident,

16/09/2008 11:55:11
~51 tosh. what have private bank notes got to do with independence? my understanding is that SNP policy is to stay with sterling but maybe have a vote on the euro at some point? No Scottish political party has ever suggested we have our own central bank, and independent Scottish currency have they? Why do you want to pay for the advertising costs of 3 private banks, none of which are owned in Scotland anyway? Coutts Bank still issue private "English" bank notes by the way, but I wouldn't want to use them either.
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New Town Resident,

16/09/2008 12:00:04
-55. Believe this was at the request of the Scottish banks so they could protect their retail market share in Scotland via the private notes issue, which they they then get their customers to pay for of course. Westminster Scottish MPs were in the pockets of these banks when the BofE was nationalised (1947 i think). Of course it should be called Bank of UK while we all continue to use the same central bank.
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Sedov,

Scotland 16/09/2008 12:02:15
Unless I have missed something, and no doubt the NATS will put me right, there is very little comments, ideas or solutions coming from the SNP on the bank crisis - is this because they realise an independent Scotland would be unable to have any effect on the international banking system whch is in a crisis partly because of the the greed and incompetence of Scottish banks including their supporters in the RBOS?
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IainA,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:37:33
#52 Mehale

"they, cloaked in their imperial robes, forced the US mortgage industry to lend money where it shouldn't or face racial discrimination charges."

So, what you're saying is that the financial crisis was caused by the blacks and hispanics? Sorry, that won't do.

The problem was that the lending criteria were lowered, that wasn't as a result of threats of racial discrimination charges, it was a result of greed, pure and simple.

May I ask what evidence you have of banks being forced to lend to bad risks because of their ethnicity?

Given that 80% of the US is white (based on the 2005 census) and also given that much of the remaining 20% tend to be very poor indeed (24% of Blacks and 28% of Hispanics according to the U.S Census bureau i.e. they couldn't get a mortgage even with lower lending criteria) I'd be interested to know what percentage of non-white Americans were offered sub prime mortgages in comparison to white Americans.

I'd also be interested in any statistics you have about the number of non-whites who have defaulted on mortgages, compared to whites.

I'd be even more interested in you providing these figures, if you can, instead of some vague assertions which smack of racism. If you want us to accept your argument, you have to convince us, not tell us we're all wearing blinkers and haven't done our homework.

Point us to the facts, if you have them.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 12:40:14
Stories even in Edinburgh of Bentley dealerships running out of stock due to Christmas bonuses to Edinburghs financial institutions. Probably exaggerated but reality was that this sector has made own rules.

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SteveSC,

West Lothian 16/09/2008 12:51:07
Bonuses are the cause of this problem.

The executives and traders were focusing on thier next bonus, nobody was looking after the long term. Who cares about the shareholders or the banking system if there is a 6 figure bonus on the horizon, paid on short-term measures.

They may be out of a job but they are sitting pretty in their stockbroker belt houses.


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New Town Resident,

16/09/2008 13:01:29
#62. So you do want an independent Scottish currency/central bank? OK you don't support SNP policy on this one then. apologies if i misunderstood your position.

You could make a case either way I suppose, but effectively if we did have a Scottish currency I think it would have to be closely tied to whatever currency England used because more than 90% of Scottish external trade is with England. So it would be like the old Irish punt I suspect. Question would simply be whether all the additional costs of running a Scottish currency gets you much benefit? Not sure but certainly I agree your comparison with the Swiss Franc would be interesting to consider - more relvant than the Norway or Icleand currencies I think. Anyway I'm with you 100% that the Swiss model is much better than the Irsih Republic Euro model, so lets agree at least that neither of us are EU unionists!
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SouthernGent,

16/09/2008 13:22:09
The question is, why did so many banks/etc buy into securities backed by faulty mortgages? I am not an economic wiz, but even I could see the obvious lack of fundamentals. Loaning money to individuals that have no income is insane. Greed took over at all levels, and the little guy was definetly not blameless. This went globally, and not once did the so called "educated" financial industry throw up a red flag. Time to pay the piper, and go back to sound fundamentals. The old addage certainly applies - If it looks to good to be true, it probalby isn't.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 16/09/2008 13:24:23
Yep it's Karma, what goes around comes around,It's payback time for the bankers...The whole bunch of them...
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ldopas,

Cheshire 16/09/2008 13:30:24
34 The Genuine Mario Antoinette

WELL SAID.

God the winging and moaning and groaning about fat cats and happiness that we are in a period of financial instability.

Yet most of you wingers have benefitted big time by the decade of economic growth.

Your houses have increased in value, jobs were there for you, money was poured into the NHS/Schools, the benefit system was there to support you. Free prescriptions (where do you think that money came from...thin air?).

As a small business man I can tell you its been hard work and taxes have gone up. That is the reality.

I agree the banking sector has been greedy, well a few people.

But for gods sake stop gloating. When there are no jobs, your house price plummets and no investment in your kids school. Then you'll probably be winging at that.

I also get mighty pissed off at people like most of you winging that others who get off their fat butts and try to aspire to something. Buy their own home, struggle and give their kids a better life than they did, start a small business.

Its so easy to sit on your fat behinds and snipe at others from your safe haven of doing nothing and living off the economy on the backs of people who are doing something isnt it.

Oh and "Mr Anarchist" (sic), who posted. apart from sounding like a Risk Mayall sketch, please tell us how a system of Anarchy is good for anyone, except a Robert Mugabe.
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Venerable Bede,

16/09/2008 13:43:54
All this anti i-banker stuff is a bit short sighted and rather predictably dull. Yes, many in banks earn daft sums of money, but, its a free market. I'd rather have them here than over in Geneva, or elsewhere. They are a huge part of our economy and dancing on their graves is akin to cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Bankers pay their taxes, their companies pay their taxes, they spend their money and are generally hugely beneficial to our economy. You also forget the large numbers of team secretaries, back-room staff and others who aren't on a huge wage. I really hope those folk get paid next Friday.

On a lighter note, luckily the land-lords will still recieve their rent on the vacated Lehman properties - the rent is insured by AIG! ;)

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Venerable Bede,

16/09/2008 13:52:40
And ftse100 has just dipped below 5k. Its another "once in a life-time" chance to buy equities...funny, we had one of those a month or two back.. Don't cash in your pension today, kids.
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grannie,

Glasgow 16/09/2008 15:05:59
Thought I share this with you. I have just received a gas bill. My standing order has been increased from £45 monthly to £84. GOD HELP US. For the powers that be don't seem concerned
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D Sherman,

Virginia, USA 16/09/2008 15:30:27
I wish I had buddy who worked for a private firm with a governmental sounding name so he could counterfeit my way out of any financial stupidity I encountered.

Then I could take on massive amounts of toxic debt, call it profit, and make millions. Is that stupidity or a criminal act? Hmmmm.

Then helicopter Ben could print dollars and keep me propped up so I don't cause a crash like 1930 when the banks closed [well closed for withdrawals but stayed open for debt collection].

If they can counterfeit "their" way out of this then I expect the USA will be filing chapter 11 in the form of a redenomination.

Toxic debt and toxic M3 aren't all too different. In the long run the Grim Reaper will come knocking.
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Tina in Ashburn,

Virginia, USA 16/09/2008 15:37:41
Capitalism fails when you have an immoral few in control.

Greenspan, leading the way to looser laws and freeing up the flow of printed money [with no backing], is a confirmed and unrepentant Democrat.

There may be conspiracies afoot, but I'd guess this is more about simple incompetence! My Scot blood shrivels at the idiocy of those who disdain sensible monetary practices [spend less than you bring in, balance the checkbook, pay cash...].

The best way to rob a company is to own it, or be an officer/director. These individuals have no compunction lining their pockets at the cost of the employees and customers. Once the 'appointed' start voting themselves raises and endless funds, there's no end to the misery of those from whom they steal. "Noblesse oblige" is a long-forgotten tenet. Those in power and authority have a responsibility to the lesser.

These individuals have no god but money and power. Long-gone are the older folks who went to church and believed in good character and reputation. Without a Judeo-Christian ethic, Capitalism can only fall prey to greed and self-serving.

How can any government possibly reach into every company and audit for greed, bribery, clubby secretive networking, and unbridled corruption? Although punishment and restitution might help, true reform can only succeed with the re-making of men's consciences and souls.
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nman,

Georgia, US 16/09/2008 16:14:46
Thanks for the great article. I myself am trying to learn more about the financial industry so I'm not going to comment about the banking side of things but I would like to comment on the subprime mortgage industry.

In my opinion, the problem is people with very little net worth taking out thirty-year mortgage loans two- to ten-times their stated annual income. The problem intinsifies when those same people decide to move, which costs about 10% of the value of the home in realtor fees, loan fees and moving costs. It takes the principle of five years' regular mortgage payments to equal the closing costs on a 30-year mortgage loan origination. Then, add in all the boutique loans, the interest-only loans, the ARMs, the balloons, and you're left with a home "owner" who has negative equity the moment that house prices decline even slightly.

The illiquidity of our society was recently illustrated in my own neighborhood. I live in a nice "pool and tennis" neighborhood with mostly two story homes with a basement and I have been shocked that 10-20% of my neighbors asked me to hold their checks until pay day when my son and I solicited for a fundraiser. I'm also shocked that the majority of people wrote a check for a $10 or $20 purchase evidently not having enough cash on hand.

Our family learned our lesson over a year ago and through the advice of Dave Ramsey and cutting our budget became debt free with money in the bank. We're still building our "emergency fund" but the peace of mind of not living paycheck to paycheck is almost a religious experience. I wish more people would realize that "the borrower is slave to the lender" and finance their purchases out of their own income or wealth instead of with credit.

On the positive, however, banks are no longer writing subprime mortgages as of about six months to a year ago, but it will take more time for the bad fruit that's already on the tree to rot.

Blessings to you all.
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TonyB,

In ma hoose with 3 jumpers on. 16/09/2008 16:21:57
71 - My combined monthly gas and leccy bill has doubled over the past year. This is on the back of me using less of both (considerably so), doing all the right thigns re lightbulbs, tvs on standby etc and is purely down to the price. Won't be switching soon either as they are all in it together - EONs bosses comments last week should have him sacked from post.
But at least I can get a new boiler if I go through enough red tape.
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Scott3,

Texas 16/09/2008 16:42:32
What is all this bad talking of greed? I don't understand. How many of you make more money than you need to just stay alive? Is that greed? What if someone offered you double your income to do largely the same thing? Would you take it and be greedy? What if I offered you 3X what your house was worth? Would you sell it to me? Would that be greedy? Go out and get educated about capitalism -- for your own good.

Anytime I hear someone mention "greed" as an economic problem I basically determine that that person knows nothing about economics.

Think about this, when the US government decided NOT to bail out Lehman Bros. it was because of taxpayer greed. We (the USA taxpayers) could have easily done it, but wanted our money instead. Thank goodness we had a representative that finally understood that.

Long live capitalism and people striving to get theirs!

Btw... never understood how all this cost us the earth. Anyone?

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Toom,

16/09/2008 16:58:51
#75
You can, indeed, economise on gas and electricity - we all can. At that point, the companies will say that their major costs are in improving, replacing and maintaining the distribution network which is a fixed cost, so the prices will increase in the inverse proportion to your reduced consumption.

And, if you have money on deposit with financial institutions (banks), you should be aware that your supposed £35,000 protection with each institution is in fact dependent on levies on those who remain in business. The maximum compensation that can be raised from the retail banking service is about £1.8 Bn per annum (rising to £4.3 Bn per annum if they then call in funding from all financial institutions). Retail deposits with Northern Rock alone were worth £20+ Bn: commercial loans - which probably were preference - i.e they get paid before you do - were £70+ Bn. Those who panicked and queued to remove their money in cash, may have been the wise ones.
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IainA,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 17:11:21
#76 scott3

I don't really think it's greed that people are too worried about, it's waste. Taking huge profits without putting anything back is a recipe for disaster. I'd say it's the difference between self interest and stupidity really.
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Fiat,

MN USA 16/09/2008 17:19:11
No mystery here to anyone who has read G. Edward Griffin's crucially important and thoroughly researched book, The Creature from Jekyll Island.
http://www.amazon.com/CREATURE-JEKYLL-ISLAND-Federal-Reserve/dp/B00181HBR0/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221582121&sr=8-9

You know nothing about what is going on here unless you have read this book. These charlatans and mountebanks high jacked the money supply of the US allegedly to stave off this very nonsense. We are nothing but a captive audience forced to use their worthless, inflationary fiat currency. The US Federal Reserve is neither Federal and there are no reserves. It is a cartel in cahoots with a spineless and debt addicted Leviathan government whose only function is to serve as the military wing of a global fascist/feudal world order ruled over by the few financial elite. We are in a sorry state, folks. This is what is really going on.
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Veltvet Celt,

Connecticut 16/09/2008 17:32:36
To Gerard in Paris: Bravo! You're spot-on. All of the workers relying on their paychecks will loose everything and the greedy, arrogant fat-cats that brought these giants down will leave with all of the corporate capital. This needs to end. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for capitalism but you can't scuttle the ship, abandon the crew and then expect to captain another ship. This has an enormous ripple-effect. If AIG can't be stablized, it'll hit many industries world-wide. Economies will be brought to a stand-still.

Things look bleak now but let's not be so quick to fall on the sword. Remember when the Big-8 went to the Big-6, E.F. Hutton changed, American Express changed, Lehman Brothers changed, and on and on? This too shall pass. Not trying to sound trite but there it is. Who's going to accept the challenge, step up and become the next industry leader? Who has the integrity AND brilliance to turn this train wreck around? Hmm? As we say in the south (U.S.), "if you wanna run with the big-dogs you've got to get off the front porch!" There are a lot of brilliant, young-guns out there who could take this on and do the right thing. Anyone?
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SouthernGent,

16/09/2008 17:34:51
#76
I am a firm believer in capitalism, but it also needs ethics. You are wrong about greed, as it did indeed play a part. There is a difference is making money ethically (capitalism) and unethically (greed).

When a mortgage originator has no plans what so ever to service a loan, knowing they are going to sell it off (in pieces) to investors, he has an obligation to sell a "whole" product. Wasn't happening. These originators were giving loans to people that they KNEW could not afford them, yet did it anyway knowing they were going to sell the loan. That my friend is greed. No different than selling a car that doesn't run.
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mehale,

Dallas, TX 16/09/2008 17:44:45
# 59 IainA

This is what I meant about doing your homework. Minorities are defaulting at three times the rate of white Americans. The government, under Bill Clinton's administration, demanded that mortgage companies lend to unqualified minorities who had no business getting loans with the promise that Freddie and Fannie would buy the loans. This isn't totally about free market decisions by greedy capitalists. It's about government causing the root problem. But don't worry. The same clowns who caused the problem are going to "fix" it with more government control. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626.html
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IainA,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 17:48:10
#82 mehale

Thanks for that mehale, I'll read the article and comment then.
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westview,

atlantic shore 16/09/2008 18:00:38
So this is the end of Capitalism and all those folk who sneeringly stated that they were Internationalists are now running around like squirrels looking for some where safe to put their nuts and unearned bonuses. This will teach you. Nationalism protects folk from inernational exploitation. True nationalism considers all nations to be equal and will fight its corner for the benefit of its nation and its inhabitants. Scotland needs its government to be strong and free to maneuver ,in time of trouble ,not some weak devolved branch of the sinking Westminster fiasco.
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rajr,

new york 16/09/2008 18:14:36
In reply to comment 10 from Stephen c from Boston. You are correct "We need to remember that no-one who took on a low-interest/low-payment mortgage and is now suffering was forced to do it". However, as a Banker I can assure you the blame should be divided at the very least at 50% on our side.

No one forced us to focus on short term quaterly gains and out do our competition by loading up (often structuring) products we really did not understand in the least.

I would also venture to say we share more of the blame after all it is our business to know risk which took a second seat to greed and hubris. We have canabalised and are on the brink of destroying one of the best systems the world has known. Capitalism

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mehale,

Dallas, TX 16/09/2008 18:19:35
# 83 IainA

Here's more proof that the US government, under Bill Clinton, did indeed force lenders to make loans to unqualified minorities, I'm sorry to report. Mehale #52 & 82. http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=306370789279709
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Fiat,

MN USA 16/09/2008 18:31:30
You folks are not seeing through this. All the talk about Capitalism and rates blah blah blah is giving into the distraction our banker-masters have created for us. Private bankers should not own the money supply. But that is what we have. All talk about anything but this central point is simply smoke and mirrors. Our wealth is their credit. It is a preposterous situation when you finally see it for what it is. Humanity must take back from PRIVATE central bankers (meaning the US "Fed" and it demonic offspring the IMF and WorldBank) the power to coin and issue our currency. They foist their worthless fancy-looking paper upon us backed by their totalitarian legal tender laws and we sit back and wonder why the boom bust cycle continues. Warburg's central premise at the 1910 meeting at JP Morgan's hunting retreat on Jekyll Island GA was that a central bank was needed to stabilize the financial system. It has had the opposite effect entirely. The boom bust cycle is actually part of the mechanism by which PRIVATE bankers (are we getting this yet? the key word here is PRIVATE-meaning PRIVATELY OWNED BANKS OWNED by a relatively few number of people who PRIVATELY OWN the stock, OWN MONEY and thereby OWN you and me.) Accept it for the truth that it is and free your intellect to address the root cause of our almost hopeless situation. In America's case, the US Congress needs to reclaim its constitutionally mandated function of coining and regulating the weights and measures which free people will use to transact their affairs. As long as PRIVATE BANKERS have the power to issue fiat currency and engage in their fraudulent fractional reserve practices, we will have this nonsense. It will eventually lead us to complete totalitarianism across the board as things will get so out of control that the masses won't know where to look other than the very same devils who brought them there in the first place. Game, set, match. I know it is difficult for many of you to pe
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rajr,

nyc 16/09/2008 18:31:43
Mehale

you have a point .... additionally so did Bush with his home for everyone idea. There was a mandate to have lenders create financing for people who had no business getting them... This is beyond partisan they are both wrong and equally to blame for fostering greed and taking out the profits for themselves.

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IainA,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 18:36:20
#82 Mehale

The article you referred me to states:

"Eager to put more low-income and minority families into their own homes, the agency required that two government-chartered mortgage finance firms
purchase far more "affordable" loans made to these borrowers."

Fair comment, there was a requirement for Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac to buy cheap loans.

"From 2004 to 2006, the two purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans"

There is a disconnect between the first and second statements, did the HUD require Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to buy that much in affordable loans, or was that just the total of the amount they bought?

You say that minority borrowers are defaulting at three times the rate of other borrowers, that's not exactly what the article says.

It says:- "Lower-income and minority home buyers -- those who were supposed to benefit from HUD's actions
-- are falling into default at a rate at least three times that of other borrowers."

I think the key phrase here is "Lower Income and minority borrowers" not all low income borrowers are minorities.

later in the article it goes on to talk about the hundreds of billions of dollars Fannie and Freddie invested in subprime loans.

It doesn't spell out exactly whether or not the two companies were forced into buying so much of that type of loan by the HUD I wonder if they were, especially given the following statement later in the article:

"Judith Kennedy, president of the National Association of Affordable Housing Lenders, said that while Fannie and Freddie nurtured unregulated subprime lenders,
an estimated 30 percent of subprime borrowers could have qualified for safe, lower-cost prime loans."

Subprime loans were seen as very profitable to the market, due to the high interest rate and I wonder
whether Freddy and Fannie saw a way to profit from a government requirement. Or the market realised that Freddie and Fannie were an easy target.

What is clear is that su
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IainA,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 18:38:05
#82 mehale

What is clear is that subprime loans were not "affordable" as they imposed extra interest and hidden payments on the borrower - presumably to cover the "risk" of lending to a subprime market.

If there is/was a requirement to provide affordable loans or housing, why didn't the financial sector do just that?

There are lots of ways to provide cheap loans to high risk customers, even direct from government.
Veterans are offered cheap loans direct from the Government for example, there are credit unions,
housing associations, self build cooperatives (bit of a minority one there).

This seems to me to be the usual sorry saga of lack of foresight and poor planning coupled with predatory financial practices. High risk borrowers are just that, high risk, and selling them loan packages which charge higher interest rates is a recipe for disaster.

If you charge a poor person a premium rate for a loan there is a much higher chance they will default.

I wonder, how many houses could have been built for the $464 billion dollars invested in subprime loans?
perhaps the HUD or Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would have done better to invest half that money in construction programs and the other half in providing truly cheap loans.

Possibly even following the housing association model
of taking a stake in the property and having part of the payment as rent and part as repayment of the loan?

However, whatever the ins and outs of it, I can only agree with some of what you are saying, from what I'm reading there, the high number of loan defaulters are from low or fixed income groups, that includes ethnic minorities, but not exclusively. I imagine there are as many poor white Americans as minority ones and it seems to me, the real cause of defaulting on these high interest loans is poverty not ethnicity.
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Fiat,

MN USA 16/09/2008 18:51:39
Do you all honestly think that the Founding Fathers of the US envisioned a system whereby just about everyone on the planet should have to go to a bank for a over bloated 30 year usurious mortgage loan which nobody in the bank every lifted a finger to earn? Are you all daft? What the hell is wrong with you people?

Stop with the articles about the distracting minutiae and get to the central premise. Private bankers run a cartel called the US Federal Reserve which became to a significant degree the lender of last resort to just about the whole planet. The chickens from this unholy and totalitarian system are now coming home to roost. Your wealth is their credit. Even if you are not in trouble right now, you are still an economic slave of the Privately owned central bank in your own country. By the way, all roads lead ultimately of course the City of London within London which is the true home of the Bank of England (true owner of the New York Federal Reserve Bank).
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Humpty Dumpty 2008,

New Branufels, Texas 16/09/2008 18:56:24
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the King's Horses and all the King's Men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

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James F. Simcoe,

Charlottesville, Virginia USA 16/09/2008 19:50:48
In the 60's a (then) 40ish Breton man who'd taken the spiritual name, 'Satprem', [(Divine sanctuary), as a student of the original godfather of the Indian independence movement, Sri Aurobindo] opined, (I paraphrase) "First, the world will fall out of love with religion," (The birth of the 'do-it-yourself' movement).
"Then, with politics."(The same). "Finally, with economics."
We find ourselves propelled into a 'strange new world' where the old rules not only don't apply, they don't even exist. We should be celebrating, not mourning. Dig deeper my friends.
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Tracerbullet,

Phoenix, AZ United States of America 16/09/2008 20:58:21
You know, I thought Sarbanes Oxley was supposed to do away with all the shady and underhanded business practices and this is something that all public companies in the United States MUST put into place. So much for government regulation taking care of the average citizen...
IMHO, one of the main causes in this entire meltdown is all the people here in the States who live beyond their means. The ones who have too many children and find the need to drive not one but two Benz's, of course they need a three or four car garage minimum, ugly a$$ Marc Jacobs sunglasses, D&G clothing...and they work at 7-11.
Being 'rich' is not a birthright for every American. Unfortunately it seems there is a disturbing trend toward a very large segment of our population thinking they are owed everything without having to work for it.
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Philip McDaniel,

Sebring, Florida, USA 16/09/2008 23:11:58
#15
"The legacy of the ultra-incompetent Bush Administration grows and grows!"
How absurd! These are Wall Street bankers, or did you have troubling reading the article. Well…I see you are from California so that explains it. Note for future reference: George Bush is not behind every bush.
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Casey0,

Portland, OR 17/09/2008 00:29:30
The underlying problem that is being overlooked is the change in the "value" of "money." Yes, $100 sounds like more than $50 but if the $100 will not buy as much today as $50 did 10 years ago, is it more? This is the hidden theft generated by the central bank as it controls the value of the money and stimulates growth by means of a flexible currency. This is the same problem the banking institutions are experiencing. No one knows for sure what the paper they have in their vault is really worth. The true value is being determined now and it is frequently less than when it was acquired.

So what really changed between the time the paper was bought and now? Everyone has been measuring assets and money with a rubber ruler - a currency that is supposed to decrease in value a few percent a year to keep the economy and markets expanding. This change is supposed to be measured and controlled by the central bank but the fact is that the central banks in both the US and Europe have been creating money as fast as they can. Tools that once existed to show how fast the money supply was changing have been discarded.

Sooner or later, and maybe right now, a great number of people become aware that the good times based on debt and borrowing cannot last forever. As someone recently opined, when the tide goes out you learn who is not wearing a suit. The public is finding it out. It's painful, it's not pretty and it's not over.
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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 17/09/2008 08:13:25
I wonder how much of the present mess is due to the brain twisting derivatives market.

After these masters of the universe were taking one way bets on their own infallibility.

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El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 17/09/2008 08:18:05
A meesage for the yuppies:

The good times do not last forever
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US Constitution,

Flemington, NJ 17/09/2008 12:50:17
Thanks Flat for your insightful observation! I bet you supported Ron Paul for president. He is one of the few politicians advocating honest monetary reform. Another good book regarding this is The Web Of Debt: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System And How We Can Break Free by Ellen Hodgson Brown.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 17/09/2008 13:56:18
"No Scottish political party has ever suggested we have our own central bank, and independent Scottish currency have they?"

"We were given these thinking pods but were never in them."
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LyonHearts,

le teil 19/09/2008 11:53:51
#30 best post on this topic I've read so far! Serious, amusing, reassuring and worrying!

There must be some kinda way outta here, said the joker to the thief!
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stug55,

kinglassie 19/09/2008 16:24:40
privatise the profits,socialize the losses,yes gordon was right.we have done away with boom and bust???
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Bemused and above it all,

19/09/2008 16:33:04
Read the article and not one mention of He-man or Man-at-arms, so just how where the masters of the Universe responsible?

 

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