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AIG collapse too awful to contemplate – White House



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Published Date: 18 September 2008
THE White House yesterday defended the multibillion-dollar rescue package for the troubled insurance giant American International Group (AIG), saying it had prevented even greater harm to the world's economy.
Under the deal, the United States Federal Reserve will give AIG a two-year, $85 billion (£47 billion) emergency loan at an interest rate of about 11.5 per cent. In return, the government will gain a 79.9 per cent stake in the world's largest insurer
and the right to remove senior management.

AIG said it would repay the money in full with the proceeds from the sales of some assets. It will be up to the firm to decide which assets to sell, and the timing. The US government does, however, have veto power.

AIG shares sank 46 per cent, to $2.03, in morning trading yesterday. They traded as high as $70.13 in the past year.

The US government decided to act over AIG to avert a collapse that would have been felt the world over.

The White House spokeswoman, Dana Perino, said US treasury and Federal Reserve chiefs and other government advisers had determined that some of the companies facing difficulties "were so big that to allow them to fail would have caused even greater harm and damage to the economy".

She said other bail-outs would be on a case-by-case basis.

The Fed said it had determined that a disorderly failure of AIG could have hurt the already delicate financial markets and the economy. It also could have led to "substantially higher borrowing costs, reduced household wealth and materially weaker economic performance".

The White House said that it backed the Fed's decision. "These steps are taken in the interest of promoting stability in financial markets and limiting damage to the broader economy," a spokesman said.

The US government's AIG move was similar to its bail-out earlier this month of the two mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, under which the treasury department said it was prepared to put up as much as $100 billion over time into each of the companies, if needed, to keep them from bankruptcy.

The decision to help AIG marked a reversal for the US government from its position at the weekend, when it refused to use taxpayers' money to bail out Lehman Brothers. The bank, which had filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday, collapsed under the weight of mounting losses related to its real-estate holdings. Yesterday, congressional leaders said after a meeting with Henry Paulson, the treasury secretary, and Ben Bernanke, the Fed chairman, that they understood the need for the bail-out.

"The administration is approaching an unprecedented step, but unfortunately we are living in unprecedented times. Hearing of these plans, you have to stop to catch your breath. But, upon reflection, the alternatives are much worse," said Senator Charles Schumer.

AIG had teetered on the edge of failure as a result of stresses caused by the collapse of the subprime mortgage market and the ensuing credit crunch.

It said that the loan would protect all policyholders, address rating agencies' concerns and would buy the company time to sell off its assets.





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1

Fifi la Bonbon,

18/09/2008 01:10:38
Nationalisation of the top two hundred monopolies, with compensation only on the basis of proven need.
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18/09/2008 01:14:44
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Scullion,

Canada 18/09/2008 03:27:14
Let this put paid to the idiotic war cry of laissez faire capitalists that the private sector always does a better job than the public sector.
Every MBA in executive positions of Lehman Bros, AIG, HBOS etc. should have their diplomas stamped, "NOT VALID FOR REAL LIFE SITUATIONS"
4

Eboneesha,

18/09/2008 03:27:34
#2 "Djookers"

rgulations?
5

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 18/09/2008 03:59:51
Barney Frank who headed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should not only be removed, but appear before an investigating committee, because HE HAD TO KNOW.. along with the CEOs and CFOs of these companies.
If it was good enough for Enron's top employees to go to jail, so should these people.
They should give their golden parachutes back to the stockholders and investors. Bad people find ways to cheat.
Along with the mortage brokers who made these deals and lied to these companies by putting papers through for bad mortgages.

The SEC was supposed to be on the watch for this. They failed, they did nothing.

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18/09/2008 04:04:46
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18/09/2008 04:11:47
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ronpaulsupporter,

USA 18/09/2008 04:16:19
This is just socialism for the privileged...any other business that makes stupid, greedy decisions and goes to the wall is allowed to collapse without so much as a by your leave. One way or another, by bailing these firms out using 'newly conjured' money, the government achieves several things - a further increase in the money supply; another step closer to inflationary depression and the erosion of what little 'standard of living' the over-stretched, maxed-out-credit-card-home-is-worth-nothing American citizen has managed to hang onto. The dollar's days are numbered - precious metals and overseas investments are the things to be doing now - Wall Street's days are numbered. Expect more banks to fold and be bought for cents on the dollar, just like Bear Stern. Who bought that? Oh yes, JP Morgan, co-owners of the "federal' reserve. Hmmm. Nice work if you can get it, boys!
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ronpaulsupporter,

USA 18/09/2008 04:22:16
Of course, it doesn't help when the average American is more interested in American Idol than they are in how they are systematically losing their livelihoods and their liberties. 'Bread and circuses'...still works like a charm, it seems.
10

Finnking,

Lempäälä 18/09/2008 05:18:57
Funny how the "free market" and "Let the market decide" mantra goes out the window when wealth is threatened.

11

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA..for more WAR VOTE McCain 18/09/2008 05:40:41
AIG collapse too awful to contemplate – White House.

WOW what cra*p spews from the White House.

The evil Bush gave his last press conference in July 08 and he told the American people (idiots) the US economy was fundamentally sound.

Now in September 08 Bush refuses to meet with the press and will not take questions on our economy and the melt down of our financial markets..

Evil men do evil stuff. In Bush's case attacking IRAQ and telling the American people their economy is sound.

His clone McCain aped Bush's words in a recent interview with CNN .He said our economy is fundamentally sound.

Now this jerk McCain who voted with Bush 90% of the time and voted to attack Iraq , may become our next President of the USA.

Look out world the nuclear trigger resides in the White House, and McCain is a rabid dog of war.

Have a nice day

GC
12

Pilrig.,

Livingston 18/09/2008 06:11:38
The red flag is flying over the White Hoose. Foregt the "Star Spangled banner" and learn the words of the "International" : )
13

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 18/09/2008 07:33:47
The backdoor Socialisation of the USA! What an irony!

The fact is that laisser faire Capitalism is a BAD THING. Irresponsible liberal/neglectful governments have let things rip, and now complain at the damage caused!

Adam Smith wrote that regulation is always necessary to ensure stability. What we are now enduring is the result of ignoring such wisdom.
14

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 18/09/2008 08:23:27
Vote McPain for more of the same.
15

Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 09:31:56
It was the Chinese, who hold half of all US goverment debt,who instructed the US to save AIG. They threatned a run on the US dollar if the americans did not agree.
The reason being, the huge exposure in Asian markets to AIG losses.
The US no longer dictates what happens inside their own country, as they no longer control their own economy.

Next prediction ? Chinese companies buying up failing US concerns without a peep coming from Washington.
How the mighty have fallen.

China's hold is known as the "economic nuclear option".
China has also announced a 300 billion dollar investment fund
for new overseas assets. This will see the biggest fire sale in US History.
16

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 18/09/2008 10:09:40
What is one to expect from a dummie such as George Baby Bush and his corrupt and incompetent Republican cronies and his floundering Cabinet.

Has there been such a bunch of babbling nincompoops in the Oval Office EVER?

They will not be satisfied until they have plunged the entire world into a global depression.
17

Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 10:20:35
#16 All except the oil and arms companies of course.

The "Idiot son" will be delighted to see the price of oil heading back towards a 100 dollars a barrel. The raking up of the situation in Eastern europe, designed to re-instate the cold war, will be another big big earner for the retirement fund. Hence the fact that nothing, nothing can wipe that idiot grin from his stupid face.
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gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 13:44:29
deary me. Not one of the 17 of you know what the hell you're talking about.
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Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 13:47:00
#18 Is that your total contribution is it ?
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 18/09/2008 16:39:17
The latest CBS News New York Times national survey showed Mr Obama leading Mr McCain by a margin of 48% to 43% - a swing of seven points in just a week. The poll also found Americans believed Mr Obama was more likely than Mr McCain to bring needed change to Washington by a 65-to-37 point margin. Maybe some of the redneck McCain/Paspalum supporters are beginning to wake up after all. The fall of the US empire has begun just like the fall of the Roman Empire. It's bye bye american pie.
21

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 18/09/2008 16:52:59
McCain's post-convention bounce, mainly driven by his surprise selection of bimbo weed-woman Sarah Paspalum as the Republican Party's first female vice presidential nominee has vanished. Yee-Haa. How good is that?
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA: for more WAR VOTE McCain 18/09/2008 18:33:25
20 Rob Bennett,Point Piper Australia

Hey Dude the neat thing about Australia . It cannot fall since it never rose in the first place.

Have a nice Day

GC
23

mike - across the pond,

hey rob.... 18/09/2008 23:19:29
thinking about the fall of the roman empire....

took all its neighbors back to the dark ages too...

now seeing that in todays world australia is closer to the US than the Gauls were to rome...

is that REALLY what you want to see?
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SouthernGent,

18/09/2008 23:23:40
Typical. Posters complain about killing and hardship the world over, then hope the world's largest economy goes under, which in turn will start a domino effect and create killing and hardship the world over.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 19/09/2008 03:07:56
#23 mike - across the pond,
"now seeing that in todays world australia is closer to the US than the Gauls were to rome"
That's not a really accurate statement. The Australian economy is far more independent now than it was 15 to 20 years ago and is in in a stronger position than most countries but of course we can't ignore the global financial crisis. "We are not immune from these events but we are better placed than many countries in the world are to weather the storm," Treasurer Wayne Swan said. Prime Minister Rudd insisted Australia's economy was strong enough to weather the collapse of the US. This is also a perfect time to reinvest assets. It looks like little baby Sarah is going 'down down deeper and down' like the US economy. John McCain, were he to become president at the age of 72, would, according to actuarial life insurance tables, have only a one in three chance of living to celebrate his 80th birthday. He looks like he's about to drop dead any moment.
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Bemused and above it all,

19/09/2008 12:59:28
Is it backdoor socialism or just good old fashioned National-Socialism in keeping with their foriegn policy?
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mike - across the pond,

so rob.... 19/09/2008 14:16:47
let me get this straight...

you are claiming that if the US fell apart economically... you aussies would be unaffected?

you base this on what your politicians are telling you? I'm telling you pal... THEY LIE..

(heres another cup of kool-aid... bottoms up!!!)

hows about you explain THIS
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/09/11/S_P_ASX_200_slips_on_anxious_finance_sector/

seems you may have your head burried in the sand eh?
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 19/09/2008 14:41:22
Here's a question you've avoided in aprevious post

Q. Sarah Palin is unqualified
A> Your answer......nope
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Bemused and above it all,

19/09/2008 14:42:11
It would be quite nice if we did indeed reach global economic meltdown, this would lead to a token economy/bartering system where skills which are needed or valued, say for example nurses, would recieve more for their work than say, investment bankers who gamble on stock markets with other peoples money then do a bolt with a multimillion pound pay off. A fairer system & happier populace would ensue, as for the Chinese/Russians taking over, living in scotland I dont think theyd be too bothered by us as the north sea oilfields are just as accessible from Norway, They may be interested in Trident but that would eventually leave clydeside and berth up in Alabammah or some other redneck coastal US place
30

Bemused and above it all,

19/09/2008 14:43:11
McCain/Palin - the Manchurian Candidate with Thatcher US.
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mike - across the pond,

robby.... 19/09/2008 15:08:21
Sarah Palin is MORE qualified to be the Executive than Obama, OR Biden...

SHE has BEEN an executive for nearly TEN years... and head of the Alaska Oil Oversight committee for 2 more...

Obama has never made a decision as an executive EVER

Biden has never made a decision as an executive EVER

McCain at least had executive command responsabilities while in the military...
33

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 19/09/2008 15:17:29
Well my criticism of Sarah Palin qualifications was well founded as it now appears prominent Republican Chuck Hagel has just said "She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview published Thursday by the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say." "I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president," he said I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,'" he said. "That kind of thing is insulting to the American people." Come on Mikey you're in trouble now.
Chuck Hagel THE MAN is talking.
How good is that?
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 19/09/2008 15:23:42
#32 mike - across the pond
Come on Mike!!!
Please don't tell me you know better than Chuck Hagel THE REPUBLICAN MAN.
35

mike - across the pond,

rob.... 19/09/2008 15:46:20
apparently you didnt check the wind when you made the hagel quote...

HAGEL IS TABBED TO BE IN A MYTHICAL BO ADMINISTRATION

hagel is a pinhead...
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mike - across the pond,

rob... 19/09/2008 15:50:55
palin would have more experience than the 26th president of the US...

can you name him?
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mike - across the pond,

rob & hagel 19/09/2008 16:15:59
apparently BO wants to name Hagel the Secretary of Defense...

Hagel's qualifications...
he's a Nebraska Admiral... WHAAAAT? LOOK AT A MAP... I think the biggest body of water in Nebraska is the RED RIVER.... or maybe the Ogalala Aquifer... however that is 2-300 ft below ground level....

His military career... 2 years, as an enlisted man... nothing WRONG with that, however, it isnt much experience for head of the DoD...

his "committe assignments"
foreign relations
intelligence
rules and administration

and ready for this
BANKING HOUSING AND URBAN AFFAIRS
in other words ALL of the problems WE are facing in the financial world RAN RIGHT THROUGH CHUCKY BOY's COMMITTEE....
38

Bemused and above it all,

19/09/2008 16:21:36
Youd still do her though......
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia: mike has a crush on sarah 19/09/2008 17:13:04
#35 mike - across the pond
"hagel is a pinhead"

I must be psychic...
I knew you'd say something like that.
In fact Chuck Hagel 'THE MAN' said his party's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, lacks foreign policy experience and called it a "stretch" to say she's qualified to be president.

'A STRETCH to say she's QUALIFIED to be president"

Senator Chuck Hagel's comments could be very influential with independent voters.

Things just keep getting worse for Sarah...

Todd Paspalum has refused to obey a subpoena from an independent investigator for the state legislature in Alaska. Todd claims he's too busy out on the campaign trail. BS. The longer this matter stays in the public view, with the Palins not cooperating, the worse it looks for McCain's image as a law abiding do-gooder.

The latest polls show Paspalum is starting to drag down McCain.

Still doesn't look very good..........
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 19/09/2008 17:16:41
RERUN:

AIG collapse too awful to contemplate – White House.

WOW what cra*p spews from the White House.

The evil Bush gave his last press conference in July 08 and he told the American people (idiots) the US economy was fundamentally sound.

Now in September 08 Bush refuses to meet with the press and will not take questions on our economy and the melt down of our financial markets..

Evil men do evil stuff. In Bush's case attacking IRAQ and telling the American people their economy is sound.

His clone McCain aped Bush's words in a recent interview with CNN .He said our economy is fundamentally sound.

Now this jerk McCain who voted with Bush 90% of the time and voted to attack Iraq , may become our next President of the USA.

Look out world the nuclear trigger resides in the White House, and McCain is a rabid dog of war.

Have a nice day

GC
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tarmagon,

19/09/2008 17:24:00
"Disorderly failure" has been used in the Federal Reserve statement to describe the AIG situation. Does anyone know what it means, as the phrase cannot be found on the Fed's site (I have tried searching the site)?

A glossary appended to the article would have been useful.

I have been discussing the wording of the statement here:

http://www.speakezforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=144
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia - time to jump ship mike 19/09/2008 17:46:11
The latest polls show 'Paspalum' is starting to drag down McCain.

McCain is having trouble wading through the weed....LOL

Her intellect makes Bush look like a Mensa member

Paspalum is an amateur politician who only managed to become mayor of her hometown Wasilla by sticking to a platform centered on gun rights, opposition to abortion, and anything else close to the heart of a social conservative.

Former Bush adviser Karl Rove predicted Wednesday that Palin's star power would "wear off.”

First Chuck Hagel now Karl Rove
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19/09/2008 17:46:26
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mike - across the pond,

tarmagon 19/09/2008 18:01:24
"disorderly failure"...

the concept NEEDS explaining?

common sense wont do?

how about this...
if the US government sat by and let AIG go into bankruptcy, they would have 2 choices, SELL their investments to cover their obligations driving worldwide financial markets into steep decline, or defaulting on their WORLDWIDE insurance underwriting obligations, that would lead to WORLDWIDE insurance sector failures as all insurance companies are interconnected.

instead the US govt underwrites 2 year loans to AIG for 85B, allowing AIG TIME to get their affairs into ORDER.... preventing a "disorderly failure"
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19/09/2008 18:17:48
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mike - across the pond,

djookers.... 19/09/2008 18:47:25
pay attention...

CONGRESS controls the purse strings

the DEMOCRATS control congress...

THE DEMOCRATS control the money... must find the places where it comes from, and legislate where it will be spent...

OUR job as voters is to hold congress's feet to the fire... chances are it wont happen, there are simply too many americans dont understand how the system works, and congress has NO interest in educating them...

the problem is if we were to elect BO, we will be giving the loonies (the far left) the keys to the assylum... much like the previous 3 congresses when W had the keys and the GOP lost their way and were running amok (denny hastert, stevens, hagel.... etc)

the US system is a system of "checks and balances"... with as partisan as it is, that system is on the brink of being non functional
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SouthernGent,

19/09/2008 18:53:14
Sarah Palin has no foreign policy experience. OK. She is also on the ticket as the Vice-President.

Now that that is out of the way, just how much foreign policy experience does Obama have? You know, the guy on the ticket running for President. If your answer is none you would be correct.

Lets see, my choice is a Presidential candidate with extensive experience within the armed services committee and a VP with no experience vs the exact opposite on the other ticket. Last I checked, the VP isn't the one making the decisions.

And if you want to play the "dead" game by assuming McCain dies in office, on the other side, if something happens to Obama and Biden, then Pelosi is the new president. Now THAT is one scary scenario.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 19/09/2008 19:28:33
If something happens to BO, next in line is Biden, who has had 3 aneurisms so far. His health problems no one ever seems to mention.
Worst case scenerio...Pelosi!!!
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19/09/2008 19:41:41
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mike - across the pond,

lynne 19/09/2008 20:13:39
or worse....

BO gets elected

lets say biden blows a seal...

the democrats ram through some REAL whack job to the VP from who knows where.... do you REALLY think that BO would pick hillary if there was absolutely NO incentive to do so? heck he'd be MORE likely to pick Michelle Obama... remember at saddleback SHE was one of the FIRST ones he would turn to for advice in a crisis... LISTEN to the BO campaign, they ALL say that MO is BO's #1 advisor, they have to run EVERYTHING thru her.... and there is NOTHING to even slow it down.... Comfy thought ISNT it?

then we'd have a VP that we didnt even elect... backing up BO...

OH JOY...

with Pelosi&Reid FIRMLY entrenched.... like ticks on a dog...
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SouthernGent,

19/09/2008 20:58:03
Rumor has it that Biden will come down with an "illness" prior to November, and Hillary will be added to the ticket to reclaim her supporters that jumped ship. I would not be surprised.
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mike - across the pond,

gent lol 19/09/2008 21:26:06
Hillary?

THAT aint gonna happen...

if BO is in THAT much trouble come mid october, you really think Hillary would come riding to BO's rescue? lol

neva-happen...

hillary would stand on the shore and salute the burning pyre... saying all the "nice things"...

and on Nov 5 2008 fire up her 2012 election machine
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SouthernGent,

19/09/2008 21:38:48
I guess we'll never know what happens in that little back room.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 20/09/2008 09:15:50
Q: Why did Obama choose his running partner before McCain chose his?
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mike - across the pond,

rob 20/09/2008 14:49:33
BO chose his running mate before McCain because the DNC convention was before the GOP...

typically the party that holds their convention FIRST gets the biggest bounce....

they get the lions share of the spotlight, and the brush to paint thier opposition into "corners"...

the STRANGE thing about THIS time around... McCain outdrew BO... McCain lost about 20% of his convention to Gustav... and STILL got the "bigger bounce"...
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/09/2008 16:46:00
RB # 56
Obama's running partner never would have been Hillary... before or after McCain's choice was made. For a person with his ego, the idea of 3 people being President was not for him, even if Hillary had more experience,( and hovering over her was Bill ).
He wants on- the -job training anyway.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 21/09/2008 17:09:44
I'm a great believer of changing governments at least every 8 or 10 years no matter who's in power to wipe the slate clean and start with fresh new faces and ideas. The Republicans have been in power now for 8 years, that's long enough. The Democrats need to win this election to break the cycle of US stagnation. Even if the Democrats are only in power for 4 years it helps to keep everyone on their toes. The biggest problem that the USA faces is the looming depression that no one is talking about. I'm told that will happen within 3 years with property prices dropping by up to 40%.
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SouthernGent,

22/09/2008 15:10:49
"The Republicans have been in power now for 8 years"

Incorrect. The democrats have controlled congress for the past 2 years. We do not need a democrat as a president. Ideally, we need the president to be the opposite of congress for checks and balances. When one party has both, they tend to go too far left or right. By keeping them opposite, the gov tends to stay in the middle. If the dems get the WH, that recession you speak of will surely happen as the dems have always been a tax and spend party. That is not what a weak economy needs.
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mike - across the pond,

southerngent... and rob 22/09/2008 16:39:44
democrats controlled congress for the last 2

republicans controlled congress the previous 12

prior to that Democrats controlled congress for the better part of 30 years...

as SG has indicated, when one party controlls both sides it goes a little bit haywire... W and the GOP controlled from 2001-2006 and they acted like they owned the whole friggin candy store...

from 93-94 when clinton was in the dems controlled it all and STUPID things happened, tax hikes, hillary's health care... this got the DNC thrown out of congress in 94...

77-80 carter and the DNC had control... misery inidex

63-68... LBJ.... "great society"...

one party controlling BOTH executive and legislative is a BAAAAD idea
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 23/09/2008 09:03:18
"one party controlling BOTH executive and legislative is a BAAAAD idea"
I concur wholeheartedly.
That's what happened a few years ago in Australia when PM John Howard's Liberal Party controlled both the upper and lower houses, however now, we have a Labor federal government controlling the lower house with the upper house (senate) controlled by independants. The Greens etc.

 

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