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Job loss fears as £12bn HBOS takeover deal unveiled



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Published Date: 18 September 2008
Lloyds TSB unveiled a mammoth £12 billion takeover of ailing Halifax Bank of Scotland today in a deal set to change the face of UK banking and cause hefty job losses.
Click here to read Scott Reid's blog on HBOS

The acquisition will create a new banking giant with nearly a third of the UK mortgage market, more than £300 billion of deposits and around 3,000 branches – making it far and away Britain's biggest bank.

Chancellor Alistair Darling confirmed the Government would waive competition requirements to ensure it went through, saying it was needed to shore up the financial system. The alternative was "very bleak indeed", he said.

The takeover has also been welcomed by UK financial regulators including the Bank of England, although it is still subject to shareholder approval.

There is speculation that as many as 40,000 job losses could follow, although this figure was described as being "on the high side" by Lloyds TSB.

HBOS employs 75,000 people and has 1,100 branches in the UK. Lloyds TSB has around 70,000 staff, with 1,900 branches.

The proposed boss of the new outfit, current Lloyds TSB chief executive Eric Daniels, said 10% of the combined group's costs would be saved. Of the 40,000 job loss estimate, he said: "Undoubtedly there will be some job losses. But I don't recognise that, it seems on the high side."

The deal is widely seen as a rescue for HBOS and comes amid a near-unprecedented week of financial turmoil which saw a run on the group's shares over funding worries. HBOS stock plunged as much as 70% yesterday from Monday's opening price of 282p.

Mr Daniels also rejected accusations that the takeover represented a "shotgun marriage" between the firms, saying the groups had been eyeing each other for years, with the most recent talks talking place over the "past several weeks".

He said: "The two companies have been talking to each other over the years. We have talked on and off about what a nice combination it would be.

"I don't think there should be any impression that this is a shotgun marriage."

Prime Minister Gordon Brown reportedly met Lloyds TSB chairman Sir Victor Blank on Monday as turmoil raged in the financial markets in the wake of the collapse of US investment bank Lehman Brothers.

Mr Daniels said: "The Government did help facilitate the process of being able to bring together the companies. But this isn't a brokered marriage.

"There is compelling logic behind bringing the two companies together."
Business Secretary John Hutton confirmed the Government will push through the merger on public interest grounds. An order allowing this will be laid before Parliament when the House returns after the summer recess.

Currently public interest grounds cover only plurality of media ownership and national security.

The Bank of England and the UK's main financial regulator, the Financial Services Authority (FSA), also welcomed today's takeover move. The FSA said it would enhance stability within financial markets and improve confidence among customers and investors.

London's leading share index, the FTSE 100 Index, was up 1% today. It slumped nearly 10% over past three days during the market turmoil.
Asked about what would happen to brand names such as Halifax, which is Britain's biggest mortgage lender, the historic Bank of Scotland marque, and Lloyds TSB's Cheltenham & Gloucester savings and lending business, Mr Daniels said no decision had yet been made.

"These are early days," he said.

"We will be working over the next few months, figuring out how to best brand the individual parts of the business."

HBOS is the UK's biggest mortgage lender and savings bank, with an estimated 20% share of the mortgage market at the end of last year and 22 million customers.

Lloyds TSB, which does the bulk of its mortgage lending under its Cheltenham & Gloucester brand, is the UK's third biggest lender in terms of outstanding home loans. At the end of June it had 9% of the UK mortgage market.

The company is also the UK's third biggest savings bank, with £65 billion saved through it and Cheltenham & Gloucester.

The takeover agreement said: "Significant cost savings can be made by combining the networks and back offices of Lloyds TSB and HBOS."

It added that the takeover would result in "cost synergies" of £1 billion by 2011, or around 10% of the combined cost base.

There will be "elimination of branch duplication" in the retail arm, and "consolidation of head office functions", including human resources, finance and legal departments.

Unite deputy general secretary Graham Goddard said: "Finance workers should not have to pay the price for the greed and excess of the short sellers and speculators. Thousands depend on HBOS and Lloyds TSB for their livelihoods. Unite will oppose compulsory redundancies.

"We expect the restructuring plans to be agreed with the staff representatives at the bank. We are urging the banks to remember the real people working for them who are not responsible for the credit crunch."

The deal comes after a run on HBOS shares this week which saw the group's share price fall as much as 70% to 88p at one point. Lloyds is offering 0.83 of its shares for each HBOS share, valuing them at 232p each.

HBOS chief executive Andy Hornby said the reaction from his customers in terms of withdrawals during the past few days had been restrained.
He said: "The share price movement in the last few days was very concerning. But customer reaction has been very restrained.

"We have not been threatened at all by any severe customer reaction."
HBOS's shares plunged as analysts said the group was facing more than £100 billion of refinancing over the coming months, and as the cost of bank borrowing rocketed.

Asked if his group's business model had been too risky, he said: "I accept that wholesale funding has been increasingly difficult to obtain over the past 12 months.

Businesses have had to adapt, he said, adding: "Today's deal completes that process."

Mr Daniels, who called the takeover agreement a "landmark day for the British financial services industry", was unable to specify any future role for Mr Hornby.

He said he had long been an admirer of the HBOS chief executive, but that in terms of his board membership of the combined group, "it's very early days".

"We think there's a lot of talent throughout the organisation," Mr Daniels added.

Depending on shareholder agreement, the deal could be finalised by early next year, he said.

The full article contains 1096 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

tommy M,

18/09/2008 11:42:03
Job loses, damaged economy, weakened infrastructure, damage to the Scottish psyche... Brown and his greed party led us into this financial mess. please let's disentangle ourselves from this Union before he ruins us completely.

2

Royc,

London 18/09/2008 11:56:05
It's a US-led international credit crunch causing this, it's not a UK phenomenon. Undoubtedly bankers need whole-scale regulation worldwide as they've become an industry of chancers and gamblers.
3

Big T,

18/09/2008 12:09:21
I feel sorry for the HBOS support and counter staff.

As for senior management with their big salaries, juicy pensions and ridiculous bonuses, they can sweep the streets as far as I am concerned!!!
4

Jay Kay,

18/09/2008 12:15:06
No but doesnt mean we have to put up with it, I for one will be opening a current account with RBS, it will be a matter of transferring all my business over from HBOS and closing that account with imemdiate effect.

As soon as my new card arrives from RBS its goodbye HBOS and I urge every customer who banks with then to do the exact same.

Lloyds can go jump as far as Im concerned.

Thankfully I have no savings with them or a Mortguage to worry about.

All my gold is actual gold and not bearer bonds promising gold, thats safely tucked up in da house safe.

Thats Rand and Sovereigns 22kt baby.

Its a total disgrace that the Bank of England bailed out the Northern Rock but let this age old establishment be bought over by an English/American bank.

Who says the snakes in the grass in Westmonster arn't at work here trying to devalue Scotland and force us into a corner.

Roll on independence. The sooner we get shot of that bunch of sleeze merchants in the Houses of Parliment and Lords the better it will be for our great country.

Disgrace and Broon and Darling should be given the same treatment as wallace, to be hung drawn and quartered then thet guts ripped out of their political careers, oh wait thats already happening pardon me.
5

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 18/09/2008 12:15:23
1 - it's Blair actually with the subtle greed/fame/ instant celebrity culture / materialism/ feel good which his Govt encouraged built on paper house price gains . Now we know why he resigned when he did . He is the real culprit .
6

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 18/09/2008 12:16:49
Who says the snakes in the grass in the SNP arn't at work here trying to blame england
7

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 12:32:21
4 Jay Kay
Here we go again - this is all apparently yet another anti-Scottish conspiracy. Let's throw in references to William Wallace etc. How tedious.

As far as your gold is concerned, the price of that has fluctuated over the years and it is not necessarily a sure bet. A few months ago people were saying that the price of oil was certain to keep on rising. Look at that - down 35% in two months.

You will probably find that, for strategic reasons, Lloyds TSB will keep the name Bank of Scotland. In fact they have already stated that they will continue to print the notes. So Bank of Scoland will still operate as part of a bigger conglomerate - the same situation as operated up till now.
8

Vaward,

18/09/2008 12:35:37
Scotland won't amount to much as long as it continues to blame all and sundry for it's problems. Seems it will always be a silly little nation with a chip on its shoulder, judging by the comments here.
9

WKKB,

18/09/2008 12:48:00
and when did all this mess start? When the Arab nations started hiking up the price of their oil? Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. 'They' have been telling us infidels for years that they will bring down the free world... well well... lookie here!

Food for thought.
10

DaveK,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 12:48:29
aye, a chip with curry sauce and bottle of Buckfast in the other hand!
11

brownlie,

18/09/2008 12:51:17
8 Vaward

No offence, but it seems to me that someone who describes Scotland as a "silly little nation" would appear to be guilty of having a rather substantial chip on his/her shoulder.
12

Brodric,

18/09/2008 12:51:18
Ugly George - at this point we know nothing. The Bank of Scotland has the right to print money, in its own right as a plc. This may not be transferable to Lloyds, even keeping the name.

Right now we know nothing.

But it is disgraceful that this historic icon is disappearing - one way or the other.
13

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 12:56:41
9 WKKB
This did not all start when Arab nations starting hiking up the price of oil. It started when banks in the US got into difficulties as a result of lending too much in "sub-prime" mortgages ie lending to people who were likely to default or whose property would fall in value. It spread from there.
14

ColinEdin,

18/09/2008 12:57:48
#9 It actually began with central banks lowered interest rates around the world in 2002/2003 causing banks to be greedy and take huge risks - it was only a matter of time before the bubble burst.

This crisis is the fault of monetary policy. That is why it is called the CREDIT crunch.

Just like in 1929 we have governments causing a financial crisis. The crisis of 1929 would have been a crisis had there been sound monetary policy - however, the central banks reduced the money supply so drastically between 1929 and 1931 that what would have been a natural crisis of the economy was transformed into global meltdown.

Let's just hope the central banks can somehow figure out what to do here. Nobody knows 100% how the market is going to work or react in the coming months, which makes the whole notion of central banks trying to regulate the markets not only absurd, but dangerous.
15

ColinEdin,

18/09/2008 13:00:44
#13

And what caused that problem? Lowering of the interest rates in 2002/2003 by central banks - particularly the FED. Look at any graph of US house prices and US interest rates over time and you'll see why government should be less involved in the economy than it currently is.
16

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 13:10:14
14 ColinEdin
Indeed but central banks tend to be in a no-win situation here. If they maintain high interest rates they are accused of hindering economic growth and risking recession. It is also the case that the Fed in the USA lowered interest rates after 9/11 as it feared that the effect of this might have severe implications for the US economy. They appear to have got it wrong but then who has the crystal ball?
17

Hagar,

Somerset 18/09/2008 13:16:59
#1
"Brown and his greed party led us into this financial mess. please let's disentangle ourselves from this Union before he ruins us completely."

Yes please, but he is one of yours you know.

#4 "Its a total disgrace that the Bank of England bailed out the Northern Rock but let this age old establishment be bought over by an English/American bank."

Lloyds/TSB is an independent bank. Are you saying you'd want the BOE (an instrument of union in your eyes)to take over HBOS?
18

brownlie,

18/09/2008 13:22:27
17 sm753

As you're so knowledgeable about Northern Rock perhaps you could tell us about the UK Government'ss attitude to Granite and how much it contributes to the Down's Syndrome charity it was set up to fund?
19

george12,

edinburgh 18/09/2008 13:29:59
Perhaps the rot set in for Bank of Scotland when Peter Burt set them down the path of ‘merging’ with Halifax.

As has been commented, the safe business model for B of S pre getting in to bed with Halifax was very much that of Lloyds.

Service and attitude has gone down the pan since Halifax became involved. What a great shame that such a once highly respected Scottish institution has been destroyed both by greed and incompetence.

A bank, run by a building society was never going to work.

Sir Bruce Pattullo must be enraged at what his successors have done to Scotland’s Bank.

20

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/09/2008 13:42:24
#2: Nonsense. The credit bubble was worse in the UK than everywhere else if you measure the private debt to GDP ratio.

We're paying for a quarter century of counterfeit prosperity built on a pyramid of debt.
21

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/09/2008 13:45:10
#14: The credit bubble started in 1984 with the Big Bang and financial deregulation. Or arguably, it started with the new credit cycle after the last one burst in 1929...
22

MacMhuirich,

Ljubljana 18/09/2008 13:56:54

Quite a few nationalists have complained on a related thread that (1) HBOS was not rescued like English bank Northern Rock (2) BOS has disappeared and been swallowed by an English bank and that is bad day for Scotland.

In fact HBOS been rescued but by another bank - a straight nationalisation of HBOS a la Northern Rock would not have been possible because it is too big and this would have hurt Scottish tax payers as much as English ones. If if had been bought by the government anyway, it would have had to be bought by the UK government and if Scotland later became independent it would have probably belonged mostly to England not Scotland.

HBOS problems have been made worse by speculators short selling the shares, but they were not caused by this. They were caused by an overly agressive and risky business model and lack of prudence. This would have made it vulnerable to a takeover anyway.

The takeover happened to be by a another UK bank, but why is this worse than being taken over by a French, Spanish or American bank? Afterall, RBS tookover NatWest and the English did not make a fuss about it. This is a consequence of Scotland and the UK being part of a global economy and the EU. Alex Salmond is not in favour of an independent withdrawing from the EU or global economy is he... This could still have happened in an independent Scotland.
23

Linda,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 14:03:10
Lets never forget Brown and Darling's failure to act to stop "Short Sellers" plus their lax regulation of the financial markets despite Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley has resulted in loss of thousands of Scots jobs and damaged Edinburgh's reputation.

No way back for Labour now in Scotland.

An independent Scotland would have a Central Bank with teeth and a Financial Services Authority which would be guided by the traditional Scottish banking methods rather than the spivs in the City or super salesmen who were running Halifax.
24

ColinEdin,

18/09/2008 14:08:18
#15

Nobody has the ball - which was my point. It's impossible to regulate the economy from the top down without eventually causing severe economic problems. Adam Smith knew this in 1776, the fed doesnt know this in 2008. Even Alan Greenspan admitted (upon retirement) that the fed should be disbanded.

When every bank in our country (and all Western nations) is merely an offshoot of the central bank and is regulated by one, they simply cannot adapt. A great example is the Basil Accord which was spoken about on last nights news - they attempted to regulate trading and the result was that that traders became less transparent and more sneaky in order to get around the accords.

We see here a failure of the corporatist system, where government and business get into bed with one another. Either we go for more liberalism in the market or we go to the other extreme (which I do not support). The current system is just unworkable.
25

ColinEdin,

18/09/2008 14:08:54
#24

And Gordon Brown got into office because of the Roman invasion of Britain and the Treaty of Union. :)
26

ColinEdin,

18/09/2008 14:10:33
Sorry, my number 27 post should be talking about bankers, not traders concerning the Basel Accords.
27

Dave Millar,

The incomparable city of Edinburgh 18/09/2008 14:13:13
'As far as your gold is concerned, the price of that has fluctuated over the years and it is not necessarily a sure bet.'

Mmm. And does your coveted gold keep you warm? Provide you with sustenance. When all hell breaks loose, just think: you can head for the hills and squat on your gold. I suspect sane people will have more pressing and immediate needs. Gold! What a plonker.
28

Lock,

18/09/2008 14:19:28
'Asked if his group's business model had been too risky, he said: "I accept that wholesale funding has been increasingly difficult to obtain over the past 12 months.'

I would like someone to ask Mr Hornby why, if this is the case, has my savings interest rate repeatedly been cut over the said period, to the extent that I moved my deposits from HBOS elsewhere?
29

AVRENIM,

Montvalent 18/09/2008 14:20:22
Lloyds TSB Group plc,
Registered Office Henry Duncan House, 120 George Street, Edinburgh EH4 4LH. Registered in Scotland number 95000.
30

antifa,

18/09/2008 14:24:10
"An independent Scotland would have a Central Bank with teeth and a Financial Services Authority which would be guided by the traditional Scottish banking methods."

How can you possibly know this?
31

ScotLJM,

18/09/2008 14:42:20
No.2 Royc...No doubt it is the ripple efect from the epicentre here in the US. We are dealing with a mess on this side of the Atlantic, Ceated by unscrupulous individuals whose only adgenda was the greed for personal wealth, no matter the damage to people and the economy. The watch-dog system failed.
32

MacMhuirich,

Ljubljana 18/09/2008 14:42:42
@32 AVRENIM

You are right. Lloyds TSB is a Anglo-Scottish bank resulting from the merger of an English and Scottish bank just like HBOS and RBS, head office in London and registered office in Edinburgh. It will Lloyds TSB HBOS will continue to hold its AGM in Scotland and continue to print Scottish notes. It will also aim to preserve Scottish jobs.

It reflects perfectly how the English and Scottish economies are intertwined... I do not see how this is something to complain about whether one is a Nationalist or Unionist - why not be proud of Anglo-Scottish co-operation? Whether independent or in the Union, Scotland will always be closest to its Southern neighbour.
33

Slightly Cynical,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 15:01:16
Was not BOS problems largely due to their over exposure in the American sub prime market, which was risky and driven by greed? However I bet all the big cheeses will be departing with big bonuses and big pensions, whereas the employees they had a real and moral duty to protect are likely to be shafted.

I suspect, also, that part of the attractivess of the "solution" to the London Government is to demonstrate to our Mr Salmond that he is indeed a very small fish in a very large pond.

What can be done to rid the financial world of the gamblers and rogues that have caused this misery to the ordinary family should be occupying the minds of our government, right now. Unfortunately said government appears devoid of direction and ability. Time for a general election perhaps?
34

danielrober,

18/09/2008 15:04:07
Its a sad situation but as an economy we need to be counting the jobs that survive. The more jobs that survive the less competition there will be for other jobs and more of a chance of recovery later.

At least we are talking about 10,000's of people keeping their jobs.

Maybe we need to see some sensible government schemes to get projects moving and people to work. The Commonwealth Games is a good starting point.
35

Tim C,

Southern England 18/09/2008 16:28:36
Now that HBOS is fading away like the Cheshire cat, Britain will soon be left with the Big Four high street banks and ... one other. Traditionally, the big four will exclude other banks, so who will be next to tumble? The candidates are HSBC, Barclays Bank, Royal Bank of Scotland, Lloyds and Abbey. HSBC are strong, Barclays are OK and Abbey are part of the gigantic Spanish bank, Grupo Santander; if RBS are in reasonable shape, it looks like Lloyds might be fatally weakened by paying too much for HBOS. It could lag behind the other four during the next 5 years. I blame that Anne Robinson for inspiring hedge fund managers!
36

IRN,

West Lothian 18/09/2008 16:54:49
Let's be clear about a couple of things here:

The predicament that HBOS now find themselves is pretty much of their own making. They over-indulged in the UK mortgage market and sub-prime market within the US - both of which, as we are all well aware, have now went t1ts up.

Howver the UK government could have legislated to safeguard a well capitalised bank from the circling short-selling sharks and failed to do so. Brown was 'quick and decisive' to get HBOS and Lloyd's together, and will be just as quick and decisive to force through the merger that no one in Scotland wants. Listening to his interview on BBC though, he seems to show far less urgency and decisiveness at preventing the same fate from other institutions - RBS included. The US government have already legislated against short selling, why hasn't ours?

The other thing that bugs me is that the UK government could have propped HBOS up. If it was good enough for Northern Rock, why not (H)BOS, a three hundred plus years Scottish institution.

So HBOS management are responsible for their recent calamitous decline, but it's Gordon Brown who has effectively killed off Bank of Scotland. Why Gordon?
37

Darien,

Panama 18/09/2008 17:01:20
#37 Don't hold your hopes out for Lloyds-Hal retaining many HBOS jobs in Scotland. The realists among us already know that direct and indirect impacts are going to cost the Scots economy well in excess of 30,000 jobs. And Brown and Darling are willing advocates in this HBOS final solution! #36 is correct in mentioning "...the attractivess of the "solution" to the London Government...". If Scotland is already lost to New Labour then what do they care? At least with Northern Rock they had MP's seats to protect. If this was an intended corporate assasination planned by the UK Government with others it is one of the very worst examples of the so-called UK union dividend. Scots should not forget this and move forward to independence as soon as possible.
38

Andrew Allan,

18/09/2008 17:03:58
Once upon a time Scottish banks were stopped from taking over English rivals by parliament as the English feared the power this would give to Scottish institutions, how times have changed:
http://www.rampantscotland.com/SCM/story.htm
39

Andrew Allan,

18/09/2008 17:11:06
A number of months ago I remember saying one of the main ways of fighting nationalism in Scotland would be with the erosion of Scottish institutions by merger creating the opportunity to remove the word Scottish, how fortuitous then for the unionists the process has begun ;-)
40

Andrew Allan,

18/09/2008 17:16:56
If you really want to know what this Lloyds buy-out has done, think of the control the bank of Scotland has had regarding Scottish business, and now a Scottish bank hasn't. I smiled when it was said they would still be producing Scottish bank notes, though they didn't rule out introducing english notes too.
41

weh,

18/09/2008 17:18:59
From The Times
Halifax Bank of Scotland - Britain's biggest mortgage and savings bank - will be rescued from the brink of collapse this morning in a deal intended to stave off a meltdown of the financial system but likely to cost tens of thousands of jobs.

An emergency takeover of the bank by Lloyds TSB will see the new institution's headquarters MOVE TO LONDON - ending a 300-year association with Edinburgh - and its name change to LLOYDS HALIFAX

The takeover was condemned by Alex Salmond as a “shotgun wedding”. The First Minister said that it was vital that the head office remained in Scotland, adding: “We are basically in a position where a bunch of spivs, speculators, hedge funds and short-sellers can effectively drive a bank merger.
42

Darien,

Panama 18/09/2008 17:20:05
Scottish national bank required quick, based on the Norwegian model Alex:

http://www.norges-bank.no/templates/section____11339.aspx
43

Andrew Allan,

18/09/2008 17:29:04
How a short seller can buy shares without paying for them for a time, and before paying for them sell the shares while the price is good, and then buy them back when the price has fallen in time to pay for the original shares, is beyond me. This system is so obviously open to corruption.
44

Martyk,

18/09/2008 17:43:22
Head office be In Edinburgh? Why? A jumped up provincial bank in a third rate financial centre , without even a stock exchange , over-reached itself and had to be rescued by a London bank in connivance with the London Government. The Scots fantasy merchants destroyed their own bank and brought the Halifax down with them. Thats the reality. Like it or not.
45

Omond,

Playing away 18/09/2008 17:44:15
Two definitions of "bank" from the Mirriam-Webster dictionary

1: an establishment for the custody, loan, exchange, or issue of money, for the extension of credit, and for facilitating the transmission of funds

2: a person conducting a gambling house or game

Maybe they got confused. The small businesses that they have bullied for the last ten years must be surprised that all along, the HBoS business plan was "put it all on red".
46

Martyk,

18/09/2008 17:48:08
There seems to be a misunderstanding here. A registered office is not the same as a head office. Look it up for goodness sake. Many UK companies have registered offices in Jersey or the Cayman Islands or wherever and dont emply a soul. The Head office is what matters and Scotland has 2 major financial HOs left after this disaster. RBS and Standard Life.
47

IRN,

West Lothian 18/09/2008 17:52:11
#47, Bears and Lehman's have also hit the skids. They are from a city that has a stock exchange. The Rock is english, they also hit the skids.

BOS have not been rescued by London, though they could have been - just as the Rock was.
48

Traquir , Alba,

18/09/2008 18:05:22
So two Scots Brown and Darling go out of their way to
save an ~40 year old English Bank Northern Rock at cost
of upwards of £92 billion.

see - tinyurl.com/4d46d9

For an over 300 year old Scottish Bank they waive
the takeover rules and effectively transfer control
to England along likely with the bulk of corporation
taxes & jobs to London. So the power and control is lost
and most likely the bigger proportion of the job losses
will be in Scotland.
We are then told they will hold their
"annual general meeting will be held in Scotland" -
what utterly condescending and nauseating stuff - we get
the breadcrumbs of entertaining the new masters of
this company once a year - pathetic.

Clearly Scotland is not Brown or Darlings priority and
they are proven as the most disgusting of quislings
who put another countries interests way ahead
of their own country Scotland. Why do they value
this Union so highly above Scotland's best interests ?

The following link gives an interesting analysis and likely
not an unrealistic scenario that Brown has used this
situation to undermine the economic viability for Scottish
independence by ensuring that all Corporation Tax receipts of
the merged entity accrue in England. Westminster has
already allowed many Head Quarters (and their jobs)
to move South, clearly they have no interest in
protecting Scottish interests.

see - tinyurl.com/6rtuab

As for the gloating unionistas who appear to be taking
pleasure out of the latest raping of Scotland by this
rotting Union, they should bury their heads in shame.

Saor Alba
49

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 18/09/2008 19:02:15
Bank Of Scotland went right downhill after Halifax arrived on the scene. I imagine it's gonna get much worse now...
50

Martyk,

18/09/2008 19:09:22
50; Scotland is now left with one locally run bank. How many do the US or the English have? Scottish Enterprise tries to sell the idea of Scotland as a major international financial centre. Its a fantasy.
51

Och aye the noo,

18/09/2008 20:15:01
I read these blogs at the end of stories for the fun and idiocy of the participants.
But...
“I didnae ken”, you remark on the collapse of the unfathonable system we live within. Just remember, there’s no god to tell us “well, you ken the noo”.
52

Nairn Member,

Inverness 18/09/2008 20:43:35
This is so sad. It is not the fault of Spivs and Speculators. It is the fault of appointing a salesman to run a Bank. Banks should be run by Bankers and asda and Tesco by Salesmen. Hornby is a disgrace to his staff and should by now have resigned without ANY payment and if he has not done that then the Board of ?? Lloyds/HBOS should have the guts to fire him. What Tribunal could possibly uphold a claim for unfair dsmissal from a fool who has ruined a great institution !. Alan Sugar or trump would not tolerate this clown.
53

danielrober,

18/09/2008 21:02:45
# 40 Darien,Panama

Dude you need to calm down. The world is not going to explode and the sun really will rise in the morning.

Maybe it would help if you took a look at some of the positive things happening in Scotland, the UK, Europe and the World. Sure there are problems but the governments are working together to lessen these problems. This is business not a conspiracy.
54

Jimmy Twoshoes,

18/09/2008 21:18:12
Contrary to some completely ridiculous posts, the name of the new company has not even been decided. People have been insisting that it's to be Lloyds-Halifax, yet there remain many questions about the Act of Parliament that created the Bank of Scotland, and the ability to print Scottish notes (which we are assured will continue).

Secondly, there will be nowhere near 40,000 job cuts in Scotland - they are looking to make an efficient but large organisation, not an understaffed one.

Have a rant and a whine by all means, but at least apply a degree of common sense.
55

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/09/2008 21:47:10
Hmmm?

I'm a private shareholder and there are many of us. This takeover bid is subject to shareholder approval.

What happens if the offer is not approved by the shareholders?

Hmmm?
56

The Strategist,

18/09/2008 21:47:28
Hmmm.. I'm totally in favour of Scottish independence but I'm afraid it's always been my contention that in order to properly develop an independent economy Scotland would need at least one new bank because beyond the direct employment they provide I'm not really sure at all what benefit either HBOS or RBS bring to Scotland.

57

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/09/2008 21:58:34
Re 58, it seems to me that HBOS's share value has been delinerately devalued in order to effect the cheap takeover. Well, now that the cards have been played, the HBOS shareholders are back in the driving seat.

The institution is as sound as the value of its shares. If the shareholders rallied against the takeover and found the resourses to buy HBOS shares then the situation could be reversed.

58

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 18/09/2008 21:59:07
How robust will this new bank be compared to HBOS?

I've read that it will still have combined unfunded liabilities of £264 billion and a debt:equity ratio of 1:61.

Does this not leave it in a really weak position compared to other UK banks? Is this the real reason why the FSA have suspended 'short trading'? Does anyone know?
59

Jimmy Twoshoes,

18/09/2008 22:00:23
#58 Indeed there needs to be a vote passed by shareholders. I can't be bothered reading it again, but I'm sure the most recent announcement to the markets indicated the % approval required could be amanded, i.e. no matter what happens it will be approved. Might be wrong on that point though.

#59 There won't be a new bank, give up the dream.
60

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/09/2008 22:10:30
Can anyone tell me the name of the central bank of the Netherlands and how many independent (non-parochial) banks it has?

Same for all those other wee countries.
61

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/09/2008 22:15:44
59, The Srategist, the new bank we require is the Central Bank of Scotland.
62

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/09/2008 22:19:41
re 65. The government might be able to drop the word "Central" after a few years.

The King is dead - long live the King.
63

Navvy,

30/09/2008 02:01:36
TSB has strong Scottish roots

BoS was effectively taken over by the demutualised Halifax which is where the canker of greed and stupidity started. The purported HQ on the mound is a mere shell.

The Halifax website to which we have been relegated is very poor, much poorer than the BoS HOBS system of the 1990s and I even have to use a separate wbsite for my BoS International - shoddy greedy management

Scottish bankers used to be prized for their probity but BoS greed has destroyed most of that

 

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