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Published Date:
07 December 2006
A £10 MILLION-plus guided busway to the ERI would be built under new proposals to tackle congestion in the south of the city.
Buses would drive past queuing traffic on a purpose-built lane alongside the Old Dalkeith Road under plans being considered by council leaders.

The idea is being explored after plans for a tram line to the ERI and Newcraighall had to be shelved following the "no" vote in last year's road tolls referendum.

The council has ordered a feasibility study into the idea of using the land it has secured for the tram line to create a guided busway. That is most likely to involve a busway - similar to one already operating in west Edinburgh - built between Cameron Toll and the ERI.

The study will also examine whether it is practical to create further sections of busway through Newington and between the ERI and Newcraighall.

The council still hopes to complete the scheme. In the meantime, a number of "interim" measures are to be investigated, including the guided busway and a rise in the number of services to the hospital.

The idea of the busway is that a temporary set-up would provide many of the benefits of a tram scheme, and could easily be adapted for use by trams at a later date.

Although the feasibility study is not likely to be completed before 2008, the idea has strong backing from the Lib Dems, as well as the potential support of Labour.

Labour councillor Ricky Henderson, the city's transport leader, said today: "We've continually said we're committed to Tram Line 3 and have already safeguarded the route.

"We recognise that south-east Edinburgh is a key growth area and improving on the already good bus service would greatly benefit current residents as well as support future development.

"We will continue to seek funding for this line, and in the interim, explore the possibility of a guided busway from Cameron Toll to the Royal Infirmary, or any other alternative that would improve journey times."

At just over one mile, the main route under consideration is similar in length to the west Edinburgh Fastlink, which cost £10m to build two years ago.

The number of people travelling to Little France is set to soar in the coming years, with plans to complete a £200m biomedical park, relocate the Sick Kids' Hospital there, and build another private hospital.

Tom Waterson, Unison branch secretary for the Lothians division, today welcomed the idea of a guided busway.

"Little France is going to become a massive site, with staff, visitors and patients all heading there," he said. "The ERI has been badly served by public transport, despite improvements in the last year. We would welcome any further measures."

A guided busway would also pose few technical difficulties between Newcraighall and the ERI, as the route could mainly operate parallel to the roads, although the cost would be an issue. The scheme is likely to depend on winning funding from the Scottish Executive.

For the section from Cameron Toll to Minto Street, buses already have dedicated lanes, which could also be converted into a guided busway. Beyond that, Clerk Street and Nicolson Street are too narrow to allow a complete separation of public transport and general traffic.

Neil Renilson, chief executive of Lothian Buses, said: "A guided busway, as a first step towards Tram Line 3, makes good sense as the money spent on the scheme would have to be spent in due course on building a tram line anyway."

The Lib Dem's transport spokesman for Edinburgh, Councillor Phil Wheeler, said today: "Building this guided busway will show that we are serious in our efforts to improve public transport links in the city. Not only will it improve the reliability of bus services, but it will act as a first step in providing good links to the new developments in the area."

The full article contains 681 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 December 2006 1:31 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

GraemeH,

07/12/2006 12:22:17

Instead of building an, uncomfortable, more expensive, inflexible "guided busway", why not just widen the road by a couple of lanes?

2

sc_uk,

07/12/2006 12:29:22

The opinion poll related to this story doesn't even give you the option to say it's a good idea... how biased is that?

3

Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 07/12/2006 12:30:19

The guided busway on the west of the city is an odd thing, It seems about 10 feet long and has shoogly,uncomfortable buses.
In fact, it's a flop and hardly should be the inspiration for similar ventures.

4

Daft Old Git,

07/12/2006 12:30:26

How about a four lane motorway and an airport. I've recently seen the queues of patients stretching as far back as Danderhall

5

shuggee,

Edinburgh City Centre 07/12/2006 12:36:10

Indeed #2.

No 'Yes' option and the money is described as a 'subsidy' rather than an 'investment'.

The journo probably drives a 2.6L BMW to work on their own everyday... So hardly surprising.

6

Nisbet,

07/12/2006 12:42:12

Is this another dead CERT?

7

àstro türf,

07/12/2006 12:50:54

once one of these "proposals" for our needed Infrastructure gets underway , i might start to believe something.

8

Tomsk,

07/12/2006 13:02:24

Another howler from our glorious transport department. How these a-holes are still allowed to run transport in the City after a litany of cock-ups is beyond comprehension.

9

DAVID,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 13:03:36

Gordon Bennett.........what a laugh.

We decide to build critical pieces of infrastructure in out of the way places like Little France and then councillors and civil servants fanny about for years trying to work out how to get people there efficiently.

Mickey Mouse guided busways..........wha's like us..........indeed.

10

Nai,

07/12/2006 13:05:23

I presume this guided busway could subsequently be fitted with some track to enable trams to run along it?

11

Yonthing,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 13:05:33

Why do the buses need to be "guided" ?

Widen the road, or if you really must create an additional track, make it standard road quality that can be used by buses and ambulances - easily controlled using access barriers.

Guided busways are only an excuse for getting trams through the back door, as the council can claim there is an existing "track" that isn't part of the road.

12

Charles M,

07/12/2006 13:07:59

5# Shuggee. How can it be an investment if the people "investing" the money don't get a return? And it was never described as a subsidy, read it again.

13

àstro türf,

07/12/2006 13:11:56

10 million quid for a row of concrete breezeblocks.

14

Concerned of Stockbridge,

07/12/2006 13:12:46

#5

How can something that will cost at least £10M and, based on the evidence from its glorious predecessor, will have journey times longer than a normal bus as it judders from guide rail to guide rail at 20MPH ever be considered as an "Investment". Investment implies that the money will be spent in pursuit of a financial return and/or some other tangible benefit (Hint - getting invited to the awards dinner at a "Transport Innovation" Conference doesn't count).

As suggested, why not just build a bit of private road - the Council's simply obsessed with playing with technologies that are a shambles in real life. If they want to play with useless unsuitable technology then let them have a PC and a copy of Transport Tycoon to tinker with.

15

Concerned of Stockbridge,

07/12/2006 13:14:44

"The council has ordered a feasibility study into the idea of using the land it has secured for the tram line to create a guided busway"

Santa's calling early for some lucky Transport Consultant.........

16

rs,

07/12/2006 13:29:06

wasn't last years vote about traffic congestion charging - or did we all miss something.

yes wouldn't it be better to just widened the road - but alas - bus lanes are totlally ignored in most of edinburgh.

On the east side on willowbrae road theres usually a queue of cars waiting to get into the CAR filled bus lane???

17

The Judge,

07/12/2006 13:30:24

I know this road well & there is NOWHERE for a guided busway, the space just does not exist. The council would have to rip up part of Craigmillar Country Park or bulldoze houses on the other side of Old Dalkeith Road.

Instead of playing with the road why not open up the Greenway between Danderhall & Little France?

18

Simon M,

07/12/2006 13:30:37

Is the poll accompanying this story:

a) rigged?
b) biased?
c) lacking an option saying "yes"?
d) all of the above?

19

Jockyw,

07/12/2006 13:43:24

Can someone explain why a guided bus way would cost £10 MILLION?

If the land is there, the roads and the buses that means all they need is to drive the bus from Edinburgh city centre to ERI. If guided means rail lines like those at Sighthill then how does 3 miles of track & fitting add up to £10M.

Which council relative's company will benefit?

Let's stick to one plan at a time & see the list complete. Bearing in mind the council have over spent & are in debt where will the money come from? - Higher council taxes.

20

Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/12/2006 13:44:53

#16 No, "we all" didn't miss something, you missed something. The vote was a choice between two transport strategies, one which included congestion charging AND tram line 3 AND a range of other public transport improvement, and another which didn't. The fact that the Evening News conspired to make it into a choice solely on congestion charging doesn't absolve those who voted without thinking.

21

LeithWalker,

07/12/2006 13:48:24

Hang about, Kenny McAskill says we should spend more money on buses to serve the whoel city rather thjan the trams which only serve a fraction of the city and he's called all names by Ewan Aitken. The Council say that ratehr than a tram to the ERI they are going to have a bus and...this is now a brilliant idea?

Sorry Ewan you can`t have it both ways.

22

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian. 07/12/2006 13:49:43

Will TIE be involved?
If so, is this a project by them to give the ex council transport official, shunted there recently, a task to extract more of the public's money on useless projects?
If not, what will his job be then?

23

Ricardo Fi YIC,

07/12/2006 14:17:25

so so negative.........any improvement on Edinburgh transport is surley a good thing !!!! have to go with the times, old farts.......

24

Immutable Name,

of Tollcross 07/12/2006 14:23:49

How utterly pointless. £10 million wasted if so spent.
Widen the road with a greenway. That permits better use of space at a vastly lower cost. It would also be usable by emergancy vehicles that need high speed access to the A&E department.

25

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 14:36:34

Hmmm ... I wonder what would have happened if TIE had never come into existence.

The public, for some time now, has wanted something done about access to Little France. The public may well have been more supportive of tramline 3 but were not given the choice because TIE, senior council officers and local councillors decided not to ask us.

TIE's congestion charging scheme was flawed and unpopular so, in voting against it, the public was not necessarily rejecting tramline 3, but the congestion charging scheme proposed.

TIE made a complete balls-up of the West Edinburgh guided busway. Had they not made a balls-up, then buses would have been able to travel much faster, be more attractive to potential passengers and possibly more effective in reducing congestion.

TIE's performance on the two tramlines now on the table has been abysmal. They misled us about what they would cost and the possible impacts to such an extent that many of us are now deeply sceptical of any tram proposal here, even one which would go to the Royal Infirmary.

Perhaps, for any future transport project, the Council should think about consult properly with the public at a very early stage, being honest about the costs, benefits and potential disbenefits, get rid of the unaccountable and very expensive TIE and get back to transport policies which can demonstrate a clear social/environmental/transportation benefit and good value for money.

26

Edward,

07/12/2006 14:39:47

#24 I agree, there is far to much negativity being spouted here.
But I have to ask, why do manned buses require a guideway?
Guideways are only required for unmanned busses or transport systems (such as you see at some airports, including Londons Terminal 5)
So are the council planning to phase in unmanned buses?
Why not just spend the money and have a tram system
#23 Dont know why your critical of EARL, but EARL is required
Edinburgh badly needs a workable transport system thast completely interconnected. It needs this both for business and inward investment, but also in the promotion of Tourism, which brings in much needed revenue into Edinbugh

27

ChrisA,

Dangertown, Midlothian 07/12/2006 14:40:03

Why not make a Greenway by covering the road with £1 notes then applying a plastic coating on the top - it would probably be cheaper than the guided busway!

28

Mikey,

07/12/2006 14:48:30

It's funny ,but some folks just won't be satisfied until the cooncil gives them a taxi to take to wherever they're going and then bring them back.

Some of you folks are just a waste of oxygen!

29

Jackmeister,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 15:04:26

My memory doesn't go back that far, but can someone tell me why the original tram system was done away with?

30

Concerned Citizen,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 15:46:06

What idiot dreamt this one up ?

I would agree whole heartly with comment #9 and what a waste of money. Our money. Just wait for the next bit of nonsense. Once road charging gets under way. We the tax payers will have paid for it to be build. The next phase is the council will then charge the bus company to use it . Then that fee will be passed to us ,the poor sods who paid for it in the first place. So the crazy cycle of funding will increase the cost to the poor souls who cant afford a car or the cost of parking at ERI. The current council is a waste of space. It make you wonder how much money is wasted on Consultants.

This is the sort of thing which make people very anger.

31

Concerned of Stockbridge,

07/12/2006 15:54:36

#29

"some folks just won't be satisfied until the cooncil gives them a taxi to take to wherever they're going and then bring them back"

If that form of transport is so eminently suitable that it's used all the time by our beloved Councilors in preference to other forms of Public Transport, then why not for us too - 700 or 800 Million would pay for a lot of black cabs.

32

Permit Holder,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 16:01:20

Another study and more wasted millions of OUR money. If we added up all the study costs paid by the council it would be horrific. Then add all the study costs by the Scottish Executive and understand why we are the most heavily taxed country in the world !

33

àstro türf,

07/12/2006 16:05:18

33. You are not the most heavily taxed country in the world, not by a long shot.

34

Edward,

07/12/2006 16:12:44

#30 I think it was all part of 'modernisation', funny that now part of modernisation, trams are now 'in'
as they are cleaner and more efficient to run, which they are.
In 1956, when thelast tram was withdrawn from service, I suppose there was no idea regarding CO2 emmissions.
Trams then and Trams now are like chalk and cheese. Hopefully there are those who remember what they were like. The new trams are very different, the tenders are with Alstom Citadis http://www.transport.alstom.com/home/Market_segments/URBA...
Bombardiers Cityflo 250 http://www.bombardier.com/
CAF Streetcar http://www.caf.net/ingles/productos/tranvias.php
and Siemans http://www.transportation.siemens.com/ts/en/pub/products/...
Worth looking at to see how different they are now

35

KWC,

Liberton, Edinburgh 07/12/2006 16:21:27

It's hard to conceive of how it can cost £10 million to run a bus lane, unless you include the £9m lost by Andrew Burns' referendum.

How many of the highly efficient continental tram systems (e.g Stockholm) look as though they cost anything like £10m per couple of miles? We have a bunch of jokers in charge.

Looking at their new HQ, maybe it is easy to see how they cost this scheme at £10m.

36

bikerider1,

07/12/2006 16:27:03

they may be different now fro0m then but trams are not the answer now.


why have guided busways. i thought thats what drivers were for

37

Wingman,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 16:31:57

Awh No !! Please someone remove the magic mushrooms from the canteen menu in the city chambers, these guys have gotta be on something !

Council pow wow--- Where does traffic run reasonably well in Edinburgh during rush hour ?
ans- Southside toward town always a wee bit busy at rush hour but otherwise fine
reply- Great , well lets set to work and screw it up....

38

Edward,

07/12/2006 16:47:15

#38 Looking at cold hard facts, I find it hard to believe that a dedicated bus route with concrete dividers is going to cost £ 10 million.
Eiether there is more to this than the reporter is providing, or the council are indeed smoking illegal substances. If there was a guidance system under the road along this guideway, that may explain the spend.
I totally agree the hospital (like any hospital) has to be properly funded, thats the task of the Hospital trust, not the council. The council are there to ensure a proper transport infrastructure. So in the case of the ERI, the council really need to ensure that there is a proper and viable transport system for getting patients, relatives and staff in and out of the ERI. That would be best served by one of the Trams systems that was put to tender. I think its stupid to make irrational comment about a tram system that you clearly dont really understand, would suggest looking at the websites I posted earlier to see what a tram system is all about.
If you dont have a viable system such as a tram, then what on earth do you propose?? Encouraging cars?, Taxis? buses?

39

StuartA,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 17:00:02

10mill is a drop in the ocean in transport terms, its a way to provide segregated bus lanes that in the near future will provide track for the tram line surely. I look forward to the section of LRT's 22 service that runs on the tracks!! Its quick, easy to access for pedestrians, whats the problem!? Its what we get for booting out Congestion charging which was simply a class idea....yeah yeah moan moan, I live here what about me, I run a shop what about me, bla bla bla...all middle class snobs anyway, lets all take a big hit in the pocket now and get it done right!!

I'm off to Amsterdam to ride on a tram.

40

Car-Addict,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 17:05:02

Does this mean no bus drivers are needed?

If so then this is one good reason to give the project the green light.

Sadly I fear not, as in sighthill, the 5ft long test track of guided bus lane shows that sadly the buses still sport a surly human shaped object where a friendly driver should sit.

All this nonsense about public transport v's congestion charging vs pollution, vs greenhouse gases etc. could simply be solved if:-

a:- Buses ran on Hydrogen

b:- Buses were smaller and more frequent, (A bit like cars!)

c:- We all had our own bus, this is surely the most efficient form of public transport, (Also a bit like cars!).

d:- More people worked from home using the technological revolution offered by the internet and companies that would allow this, instead of the old fashioned 'overse'er & worker at 't mill' approach to working practices, insisting that everyone must sit in a building all together, all arriving at the same time everyday.

e:- If everyone drove like me there would be no problem, no conjestion, no hold ups, just fast free flowing trouble free motoring.

f:- Create road routes that take cars where they want to go without any troublesome conjestion causing speed-bumps, speed limits, over-used junctions, help the car and the car will help you.

g:- Don't stifle the economy and lower it to the lowest common denominator i.e. numpties on buses! Eembrace the car, let us use them freely, let us drive quickly and simple to where we want to be and get there and back when we want to and don't penalise us for doing it by charging the earth.

There that should ruffle a few feathers, I'm off to the states, land of the car, home of the freeway, where cars are allowed to be cars and drivers are not shamed and bullied into sharing cramped insecure unsocial inadequate transport with people they would rather not.

I know, I know, some of it is a bit far fetched and tongue in cheek, but there are a

41

Edward,

07/12/2006 17:07:05

#44 Something about opening my fat gob and not knowing building costs come to mind
Ok Im not a builder, but £ 10 million does seem expensive for a stretch of road with concrete blocks along it.
Now that Ive eaten my humble pie, whats for afters?

42

Edward,

07/12/2006 17:15:53

#45 I agree with Stuart, Edinburgh should be about having a worldclass transport system.
I think if the council (I dont live there , so dont know how they went about it) had prooted the idea of having a world class tram system alongside the congestion charge, then I think it should have been easier to sell. The problem is that many people probably think that a tram is exactly like waht was running in 1956, when in fact is most definatly not
Ive been to a few european cities, which have tram systems and there great, its all joined up, as the trams are fast and frequent and connect well with the mainline railways, but it should also be noted that fares are cheaper in continental europe, as they encourage the ethos of hoping on and off trams and encouraging people to use the public transport

43

Susie McBride,

07/12/2006 17:30:35

I have to agree, the Evening News "polls" here are often hilariously biased to support their anti-Council-policy-at-all-costs kneejerk journalism. But this is the first time they've not even bothered allowing us to express our support. Shoddy doesn't describe it!!

44

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 07/12/2006 17:31:09

#32

No doubt councillors do use taxis during their days work - but I can also confirm they definitely use buses - I have seen them on loads of occassions.

45

Andrew,

Scotland 07/12/2006 19:08:58

A bus is still - guided or otherwise. If they're going to lay a concrete busway out to the ERI, spike in some tram rails before the concrete sets. That'll save all the upheaval and disruption of "adaptation at a later date" (YET MORE MONEY)! Why put off until tomorrow what should be done today??

46

Andrew,

Scotland 07/12/2006 19:09:25

A bus is still a bus (etc)

47

Hospitalphoenix,

www.hospitalphoenix.blogspot.com 07/12/2006 19:10:58

How about a guided bus from the city centre to the Scottish parliament?

Oh! No need for that, they have free, secure underground parking which was paid for of the public pocket.

How about a guided bus to the Police headquarters? Oh! No need! They have free parking spaces and free cars out of the public pocket.

Double standards, anyone?

48

Ryan Kelly,

porty 07/12/2006 20:14:26

firstly i agree with the vast majority widen the road! secondly the reason why they want a guided bus way is so that nobody else can a) use it and b) park in it, which is good but cant we look at other options railway! is there not a line at cammy toll a little extention from there to the hospital is that too difficult? oh hang on there is a railway line round the airport and they cant get tomas to drive up to the door so maybe that is just to simple

49

Julian,

07/12/2006 20:35:14

Why would the council propose this if it were not to make journey times faster than having normal bus lanes? I can't think of any other reason. What are all you anti-busway people saying? that the council is proposing something which has no tangible benefit. I hope you all have the evidence to back that up

50

Graeme M,

Adelaide Australia 07/12/2006 21:38:16

We have had one for years, they take heaps of passengers from the northern suburbs to the city all day..Whether it would work with a bigger population is questionable though, but its always worked a treat here.

51

Way Out West,

Duns 08/12/2006 12:05:02

You'd have thought that lessons would have been learned by now after the farce that is the Broomhouse Fastlink - but no, they now want to build another folly. Give me strength! It would surely be cheaper to improve Old Dalkeith Road instead.

52

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 08/12/2006 12:34:51

Sarah B(26). First of all, the reason the public could not vote for a Tram Line 3 but not congestion charging is because there was no money to pay for it without congestion charging, along with lots of other projects! Also, you have only been misled by the Evening News' propaganda - there has been no real cost increase in the tram system by the proponents of it - the Scottish Executive never linked the £375m offered towards it to inflation and the rest of the "additional" cost is "optimism bias", again, nothing to do with the Council.
46-fine if you want to go to the USA but don't believe things are any better there - despite building lots of "free"ways, they still have more congestion than ever! Simply put, your ideas don't work...

53

Shaun McDonald,

Edinburgh 09/12/2006 16:09:45

The guided busway is the biggest heap of rubbish I have ever come across. It is a complete waste of money. It shooggles the the passengers from side to side constantly. An orinary bit of road with rails in it for future proofing.
Also it's about time the council goes back to the old way of putting paint down for these bus lanes, as all the new lanes have minispeed bumps to slow the cyclists down. doh!! That would mean the council spending a bit more to get the work done properly and last longer.


 

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