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Published Date: 27 February 2008
MASSIVE disruption in Edinburgh city centre has been predicted by traders and transport firms as a key route is closed for five months for tram roadworks from next week.
Taxi drivers fear traffic gridlock when Shandwick Place is shut from Monday, and bus operators have warned passengers of "significant disruption".

Business leaders said shops would lose trade and face supply problems, and called for the work to b
e finished quickly.

In one of the most significant temporary street closures in the capital for years, Shandwick Place will be shut until the Edinburgh Festival in August for preparatory work for trams.

Underground pipes and cables will be moved so they can be accessed without disrupting trams, which are due to start running between Edinburgh and its airport in three years' time.

The second stage of the work, to build the tramlines and overhead power cables, will follow later this year.

The Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) said traders in Shandwick Place wanted this work to follow on from the first stage to minimise overall disruption. Graham Russell, the FSB's Edinburgh chairman, said: "We hope that this won't bring the centre of Edinburgh to a standstill.

"Our members are extremely concerned about trade, but it has been much better planned than similar work in Leith Walk."

During the closure of Shandwick Place, between Manor Place and Princes Street, traffic will be diverted via Melville Street or Morrison Street and the West Approach Road.

More than 100 parking spaces will be suspended and eastbound buses will be switched from Princes Street to George Street.

The permanent closure of Shandwick Place to cars is also being considered.

Jim Muldoon, the Edinburgh representative for the Scottish Taxi Federation, said: "Taxi firms are very fearful because this (work] could not come at a worse time – one of the quieter times of the year. It will have a serious effect on business.

"Traffic is going to be gridlocked and people won't use taxis in case they get stuck. It could add £1 to £5 to fares."

Bus firms said their services would also be badly hit.

Juliette Turner, the operations director of First in Scotland East, the main operator of buses into Edinburgh from other areas, said: "The closure of Shandwick Place is going to cause significant disruption to our services."

Bill Campbell, the operations director of Lothian Buses, the city's main operator, said half its routes would be diverted, adding: "Some disruption at the beginning (of the work] is probably to be expected, but we will be doing everything we can to keep this to a minimum."

Willie Gallagher, the executive chairman of city council firm Tie, which is in charge of the scheme, said it had consulted residents and businesses over the work.

He said: "The successful construction of the tram project and the necessary utilities diversions require significant temporary traffic diversions. We have identified the optimum traffic-management solution that ensures optimum vehicle flow for public transport and other traffic."





The full article contains 507 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 February 2008 12:19 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Highland Mighty,

27/02/2008 00:57:31
It's called 'progress', people!

Less of the incessant whinging and look to see the benefits to Dublin/Manchester/Sheffield/S.London of their trams.
2

Pundit,

Glasgow 27/02/2008 02:22:25
Stop your whinging, if you dont want the trams then can we have them in Glasgow
3

jamtart,

Beechboro 27/02/2008 02:43:05
#1 I was in Dublin last year I did not see any trams.

#2 The trams will not be coming to weedgie land.
4

Navvy,

27/02/2008 05:15:41
What is new - Edinburgh and Scotland's inability to plan in notorious and scandalous

All over Asia this work is done under temporary metal road decking with the traffic carrying on as usual

Ask Kenny MacAskill who saw it in Singapore
5

Navvy,

27/02/2008 05:15:54
What is new - Edinburgh and Scotland's inability to plan in notorious and scandalous

All over Asia this work is done under temporary metal road decking with the traffic carrying on as usual

Ask Kenny MacAskill who saw it in Singapore

What is new - Edinburgh and Scotland's inability to plan in notorious and scandalous

All over Asia this work is done under temporary metal road decking with the traffic carrying on as usual

Ask Kenny MacAskill who saw it in Singapore
6

Navvy,

27/02/2008 05:16:05
What is new - Edinburgh and Scotland's inability to plan in notorious and scandalous

All over Asia this work is done under temporary metal road decking with the traffic carrying on as usual

Ask Kenny MacAskill who saw it in Singapore
7

Navvy,

27/02/2008 05:19:39
as you can see, this has got me wound up. Why is Edinburgh so inept. Ask the traders to go to these websites to see how it is done
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/index_proj_ccl.htm
http://www.lta.gov.sg/projects/index_proj_engaging.htm

Our former colonies have built on what we left them and have overtaken us. To think that Scots built Singapore and much of the rest

8

Mallory,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 05:32:04
Thanks to Navvy for the links. Comparing the work there with Embra's puny efforts says it all really. A Lack of imagination, a lack of consultation and a lack of proven need.

And the clowns are going to dig it sll up again later in the project!
9

Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/02/2008 06:24:00
Progress ? yep the No22 substitutes tracks for wheels !
10

Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/02/2008 06:24:58
Embra is one big roadwork !
11

Navvy,

27/02/2008 06:35:45
#8 thanks for that. I have emailed all the Trader's Council members and you man not be surprised to learn that some of their accounts bounced because their mailboxes are full.

I offered to answer any questions so let's see whether anything comes of it.

Let Scotland put the past to one side, enter the 21st Century and flourish - a good slogan up to which Glasgow has not lived for some time
12

Grumpy,

27/02/2008 07:23:17
So no doubt the tram works will be carried out 24 hours a day to minimise the disruption.....?????

And what about the council giving us a map showing the diversion routes?????

Something about a brewery and organising something in it.......
13

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 07:44:25
Mr WilLIE Gallagher and his fellow numpties at TIE don't care about the disruption they cause. Just read his quote from the big book of bullsh!t as an example of the PR garbage they regurgitate on a regular basis.

The tram line is for them one big gravy train that will keep them in £200k jobs (plus pension and bonus) for years.

It is a disgrace that the politicians who voted this through did not undertaken even basic levels of due diligence on the business plan which grossly overstates "benefits" and completely ignores many of the downsides, such as longer door to door journey times for tens of thousands of people. NO WHERE in the business plan did it say that Shandwick Place would be closed for what will be in total almost one year. NO WHERE did it say that Princes Street would need to be closed.
14

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 07:48:07
#12, there is a map of the diversion if you care to look in the libraries
15

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 07:49:50
I know, still a big crock,the trams suck
16

SS,

27/02/2008 08:00:41
This is going to be carnage, and by this I'm referring to the whole tram project, not just Shandwick Place. It'll be worse than the ill fated traffic flow management system that they tried to introduce post the failed congestion charge. I look forward to having even more unnecessary frustration and difficuly in going from the east side of town to the west. However, I feel that we are too far down the track (no pun intended) to stop this mayhem. Probably best accept it is happening and make the most of it.
17

orangepeel,

Cowgate 27/02/2008 08:25:06
#12 Here's a link to a map of the diversions.

http://www.tramtime.com/leaflets/shandwickplace_jan08.pdf

gl hf
18

roadstohell,

stuckintraffic 27/02/2008 08:36:40
Well, if you think this is bad wait until the works reach Haymarket,then Roseburn and so on outwards !!!!!
THIS is gonna be one helluva mess. I hope the folks behind this realise that they will go down in Local History as the creators of the biggest cock up in Embra history ( and there have been many), and NOT as the creators of an "integrated tram system the envy of the world". Hey c'mon it aint a a "system" it's ONLY one line !!!!!!!!!
I'm scunnered
19

paulr,

edinburgh 27/02/2008 08:38:31
#1
What benefits? there is not a successfull tram system in the UK, they are all moneypits.
#2
You are welcome to them.
The people of edinburgh do not want them, they are of no use to anyone who does not live along the tram line, that is the majority of the population, but as usual the numpties we voted in to the council are at it again ignoring the people who elected them, so we have no one to blame but ourselves.
20

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/02/2008 09:16:06
I am looking forward to the streets being festooned with beautiful overhead power lines... oh joy!

Navvy does have a point about the metal road-decking - I have driven over similar abroad.

So, after the trams are built, there will be no direct public transport from S. Edinburgh to N. Edinburgh - it wil be 'all-change' at Princess St.... oh joy!
21

Mr H 2u,

27/02/2008 09:16:58
"Willie Gallagher, the executive chairman of city council firm Tie, , said it had consulted residents and businesses over the work."

Consulted, then ignored. As always
22

A.A.,

Dalkeith 27/02/2008 09:56:01
12...

I agree that there should be a map of the diversion routes. Also, First Group don't give any information about where the temporary bus stops are located. You just have to wander about until you find one and you can miss your bus in the meantime.
I am quite looking forward to the trams but unfortunately think that this country has a terrible track record for mismanaging major upheavals such as these.
23

A.A.,

Dalkeith 27/02/2008 09:57:13
20...

It's "Princes Street" not Princess Street !!
24

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/02/2008 10:13:49
Currently, a bus journey from Leith to S. Edinburgh costs £1. Reading the Ties website, it is apparent that a normal bus ticket will not be accepted on the trams. So, the same journey will cost £2 - a 100% fare increase.
25

Ken Broomfield,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 10:14:42
I was in Dublin the other day and did see the trams. I fail to see what benefit the trams are to Edinburgh - the project is a complete waste of money but good news of course for contractors.
26

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 10:17:11
This daft scheme should be scrapped now.

It is not too late to do so.
27

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/02/2008 10:18:13
#24

My apoligees.
28

Gothic Rose,

27/02/2008 10:24:01
24# You tell em!:)
28# Bet you can count.!
29

NorT,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 10:47:47
Lothian Buses cannot even tell you were they buses will be stopping o the diversionary routes.
30

Neil,

Glasgow 27/02/2008 10:51:48
£600 million well spent then ;-)
31

Mcsnagpile,

27/02/2008 10:52:15
The big joke is yet to come, when they run over time and budget.
Have stopped driving in Edinburgh. A quick turn around train journey when necessary is sufficient.
32

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27/02/2008 11:15:53
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33

truthsleuth,

27/02/2008 11:32:28
Conversation overheard in ASS office in Holyrood.
' I told you if we removed Bridge Tolls we can blame the traffic congestion on the tram ... we can't lose the petrolheads will believe anything that supports their prejuduce....
34

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 11:37:07
The "cooncil" might as well have evacuated the city and blown it up.

At least it would have been a cheaper way of causing the same amount of damage as the trams are doing.
35

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 11:49:52
Not many educated people in Edinburgh support trams. For those quoting other cities, the infrastructure, road widths, etc are very different and Edinburgh tramline will just create congestion for little result.
36

Educated Person,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:08:46
What a load of whingers! I for one think Tram will be a huge benefit to Edinburgh, and to #18; of COURSE its only one line - do you know of any system that implemented a whole infrastructure in one go? If you lot are complaining about the disruption from this one - I imagine your heads would have exploaded if lines 2 and 3 were built at the same time as line 1! #25; can you not read? The tram is being OPERATED by LRT - which means it will interface with the bus. Your day ticket will get you onto both the tram and the bus.

Stop whining and get behind this!
37

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:11:34
#38, in what way(s) do you think the trams will be a "huge benefit" to Edinburgh? I can't think of any benefits at all, although I see huge disadvantages which will cripple the city both logistically and financially for years to come.
38

internationalist,

Macae 27/02/2008 12:28:51
What a crowd of whiners, and this seems to apply to the whole country. Anything at the moment, be it trams, windpower, Trumpton, nuclear power etc is being met by a barrage from the NIMBY's and the neanderthals opposed to change.

No pain no gain.
39

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/02/2008 12:37:00
#37 Illiterate

Yes I can read, thank you. I am sorry, but you are wrong - I was refering to the £1 standard ticket. There is nothing on their webpage saying that the standard ticket will be transferable. You are refering to a day-saver ticket, which costs £2.50, so a round-trip will be at least 50p more expensive, a single journey will be at least twice the current price.
40

HughB,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:37:49
Nobody has been able to confirm to me yet that double decker buses will be able to pass under the overhead cables.

The roads in Edinburgh are terrible. Drove through one of the diversion routes last week, the left turn from West Maitland Street into Torphichen Street, and it was like a third world country dirt track: so many bumps and bashes. It's only going to get worse after they've dug up all the roads. I doubt if they will replace all the road surfaces after they have completed the work - I doubt if the trams budget will include that, although they may want to make the roads look pretty along the tram route.
41

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/02/2008 12:51:49
#39 internationalist

I would say that the trams look pretty swish, although I do think that 40m long trams sound a bit on the long side. However, £600MM is a world-class amount of money to spend on a tram line, which is far from being a world-class piece of infra-structure.
42

Dave2384,

27/02/2008 13:11:38
So there is a bit of distruption at the moment, what do you think would happen, that you would go to bed one nite wake up the next morning and there would be trams. Cities grow more and more people live in them if cars are still aloud to come in and out of the city soon there would be girdlock any way because of all the cars. My home town is always gridlocked at peak times because of all the cars and this is not while there are road works on the go. Yeah I have driven, but when I lived in my home town, in Edinburgh you do not need a car the public transport is great and the trams will add to that. If it all goes T*TS up then you can say I told you so until then wait.
43

PeeBee,

Wiltshire 27/02/2008 13:19:42
Here are a few facts about the benefits of trams v buses. Anyone who has been on a modern tram will know that the experience far outweighs that of travelling in a lurching, rattling, bumping bus. I can only summise from the negative comments on here that their authors have never experienced tram travel, and are most likely disgruntled motorists hitting out at the end of their reign of terror on Edinburgh's streets.

http://www.lrta.info/Facts/facts117.html
44

HughB,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:37:08
#44

The only way the trams will be able to avoid lurching and bumping is by keeping all the lurching and bumping buses out the way, and that sort of defeats the purpose of having an integrated transport system.

The best way would have been to get clean (possibly gas powered) buses, and to maintain the roads at a reasonable standard, rather than the third world style bumps and potholes in the road that we've had to suffer for years. After driving down south a few times, you can see that the Scottish roads have been deprived of funding for decades, which I suppose is not surprising since all the Scottish money goes to Westminster before they give us a small amount of our own money back, and then telling us they are subsidising us!!!

What a joke!
45

Kieron,

Stirling / Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:56:03
Typical Edinburgh! We never seem to do things right? Lets just put up a big sign on the approaches to the city for the next few years

EDINBURGH CLOSED!
46

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/02/2008 13:59:49
#44 PeeBee

Well, I have travelled on trams in Barcelona, Amsterdam, and Moscow (with some of the Moscow trams probably being the most modern). I have also travelled on busses throughout the globe. Trams are a bit smoother-running than busses, but hardly 'lurch and rattle-free'. You are saying that a slightly beter ride-quality is worth £600MM?

#44 hughB

Busses are to be banished from the tram route. Hence, we will be forced to change on Princes Street, and pay more fares, compared to the direct bus services that currently exist.
47

John H C,

edinburgh 27/02/2008 14:33:47
We go on digging the same hole deeper(metaphorically speaking) Other similar cities have stopped trying to squeeze a quart into a pint pot ie. more and more traffic into the same road space and have built an underground traffic system. The Metro in Paris the underground in London even Glasgow took this step some years back. Has it been explored in Edinburgh or is it not possible here. Someone please tell me if anyone knows.
48

HughB,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 14:50:00
#48

I heard that due to the volcanic rock under Edinburgh, it would be very difficult to engineer an underground system in any shape or form.
49

gus1940,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 16:58:42
#49
Manhattan is solid rock and that didn't stop the construction of tunnels there.
50

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27/02/2008 19:07:10
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 19:14:46
#51 >The Scots ability to gripe about anything and fight amongst themselves (and anyone else for that matter) is the ruination of a potentially great nation.

And the trams will be the ruination of this great city.
52

Trix,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 20:30:26
Dublin trams are great, and really quick, BUT there is one main difference. Trams run through side streets just off the main roads, so building work was much easier. It would be like running them through Rose Street etc.

What concerns me more is that the diversion routs will probably have either the Gas or Water Boards, digging them up. Edinburgh Road Works are a total shambles, totally un-coordinated. Council tax payers should get a month's rebate as the transport network of roads and buses is totally unfit for purpose.
53

CyclingEdinburgh,

27/02/2008 21:28:02
http://cyclingedinburgh.info/2008/02/26/another-missed-opportunity/
54

john z,

edinburgh 27/02/2008 21:54:03
I just don't get it, all this for a SINGLE tram line. It is just mad. Honestly, trams are just not all they are cracked up to be - especially just a single line.

The government have said they will not provide more money if costs rise, and we all know that costs will rise, so I'm assuming it'll probably all be a waste of time and money, and never get finished.

Another Edinburgh Folly to go with the one on Calton Hill. Or should I say disgrace.

 

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