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Published Date:
30 August 2007
A COUNCIL chief executive was last night forced to quit without receiving the £149,000 redundancy payment he had convinced councillors to pay him on top of a £200,000 retirement package.
John Lindsay announced yesterday that he is to resign from East Lothian Council - at the same time as the authority agreed not to preceed with disciplinary action against him.

The controversy began in February when the council agreed to award Mr Lindsay the one-off redundancy payment and retirement lump-sum of £155,000 on top of his pension of £55,000 a year. However, after the row erupted Mr Lindsay said he was no longer volunteering to be made redundant.

The deal was criticised in a report by the Accounts Commission spending watchdog, which said the process by which the council made its decision "fell a long way short of the standards expected of public bodies".

Mr Lindsay's decision came after a behind-closed-doors meeting of councillors accepted a report which said that the payment, agreed when Labour ran the authority, would have been "unlawful".

Seven Labour councillors walked out of the meeting, held on Tuesday, before a vote which agreed to accept a report from Keith MacConnachie, the council solicitor, which concluded that the original deal did not constitute a redundancy in law.

Twelve of the remaining councillors voted to accept the report that ruled any "redundancy or ex gratia payment" to Mr Lindsay "would therefore be unlawful".

Last night the council revealed that Mr Lindsay, 60, who has been on "gardening leave" while the council tried to resolve the issue, had decided to resign and would also retire. A statement from East Lothian added: "The council's disciplinary investigation into the matter of his redundancy payment will proceed no further."

Three councillors, one each from the Scottish National Party and Liberal Democrat ruling coalition and one Conservative, had been charged with investigating Mr Lindsay's conduct during the time the payment was agreed by the then Labour council earlier this year.

The panel, which had an independent external adviser, had first to investigate whether there was a need for any disciplinary action. If it had found that there was a case to answer, then it could have recommended a formal disciplinary hearing and Mr Lindsay might have faced sanctions, ranging from a warning, through suspension without pay, to demotion, reduction in salary or even dismissal.

Yesterday, however, the council said that it would not take the matter further. The three councillors did not vote when the council decided formally on Tuesday to rescind the decision to make the payment, which had originally been justified as part of a reorganisation of senior management.

The council's statement, released yesterday afternoon, said Mr Lindsay would "receive the retirement payments to which he is legally entitled" from the council's pension fund. However, "to ensure propriety", the figures have been submitted by the council to Audit Scotland "for verification".

The Scotsman understands that Mr Lindsay is entitled to a pension of around £55,000 a year and a lump sum of at least £155,000 when his 40-year career in local government formally ends next month.

In a further development, the council also revealed that the original decision to appoint Alex McCrorie, the council's director of finance, as chief executive was also reversed. Mr McCrorie, a close friend and colleague of Mr Lindsay, will, however, continue as acting chief executive while the new council administration reviews its management structures.

It is understood that the council is likely to advertise for a new chief executive as Audit Scotland was also highly critical of the original decision to appoint Mr McCrorie - from a shortlist of two - without seeking candidates from outwith the council's senior officials.

Mr Lindsay's resignation brings to an end a long-running saga that has put the council, its senior official and the then Labour administration under the spotlight.

Dave Berry, the SNP leader of the authority, said: "A line has been drawn under this affair and a resolution reached.

"Given the Accounts Commission's very critical views on how the previous administration dealt with this matter, the new council has demonstrated that it is acting fairly and responsibly and in the best interests of East Lothian's residents."

Mr Berry, who in opposition was the only councillor to raise concerns about the deal, thanked Mr Lindsay "for his service to the people of East Lothian".

Mr Lindsay, who once compared his treatment by the media to that of the Virginia Tech killer, and has always refused to speak to The Scotsman, said he was proud of his work for the council.

In a statement, he said: "Over the 23 years that I have been working in the community, many people have told me about improvements that have taken place throughout the county and I am proud of my contribution to that.

"I would like to thank all my friends and colleagues in East Lothian and the wider community who have worked with me and helped recently, and over the past years, and I wish them health and happiness and good luck for the future."

TIMETABLE OF FINANCIAL SCANDAL


1 March: The Scotsman reveals that the then Labour council had agreed to give Mr Lindsay a redundancy payment of more than £100,000, on top of a £200,000 retirement package. The chief executive himself recommended the deal to the authority.

13 April: Labour councillors are condemned for their decision to appoint Alex McCrorie, the council's head of corporate finance, to replace Mr Lindsay without first advertising post externally.

25 April: Audit Scotland, the public-spending watchdog, confirms it is investigating the affair.

5 May: The Labour Party loses control of the council in the local elections.

16 May: The new SNP/Lib Dem administration orders an inquiry into the payment.

17 May: Mr Lindsay withdraws his plans to step down, plunging the authority into crisis.

18 May: Mr Lindsay compares his treatment by the media to that of Cho Seung-Hui, the Virginia Tech killer.

20 June: Audit Scotland finds the council's handling of the affair "fell a long way short of the standards expected of public bodies".

20 July: East Lothian begins formal disciplinary action against Mr Lindsay.

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1

David MacVicar,

web 30/08/2007 00:42:21

Another victory for the common good over corrupt public servants.

2

The Daleks,

30/08/2007 00:43:59

Nice work, if you can get it.

3

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30/08/2007 00:52:33
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4

Conan,

Here 30/08/2007 00:52:43

OK - fair enough - it was a good fight.

5

Guga II,

Rockall 30/08/2007 00:59:52

"Seven Labour councillors walked out of the meeting, held on Tuesday, before a vote which agreed to accept a report from Keith MacConnachie, the council solicitor, which concluded that the original deal did not constitute a redundancy in law".

This raises the question as to why the New Labour numpties were so keen to give this man all that money from the public purse. Just what was going on?

6

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 30/08/2007 01:02:13

#1 victory ? He still recieves £200k of our council tax where is the victory in that ?

7

Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 01:02:33

... and if there had been no publicity, he would probably have received the money and nothing would have happened ...

Since they are no longer proceeding with disciplinary action in this case, all the papers gathered during the investigation will be released to the media ?

8

Jalepeno,

30/08/2007 01:08:25

Council leaders will just spend extra on a PR machine to hide the pay off next time.

Victory for the common good my curly tale.

They have just learned they need to hide the thievery in future.

If you or I tried to steal that much money from the tax payer they would investigate us going back 20 years, to see if they missed any thievery before.

Not with out good friend, no, no, off you go with twice the national working man's salary in EARLY retirement.

Daylight robbery, pure and simple, no common victory as noted above. He just has been caught red handed and allowed to scarper with all he can hold without his SWAG bag.

9

.Haggis The Great.,

Dunfermline 30/08/2007 02:52:07

The former and any present Labour councillers from the previous Labour administration need to be called to account and be judged by the full weight of law.

They are as guilty as Mr Lindsay, they are guilty of arrogance and comtempt to the tax payers of Lothian and the this is not the only council in which this has happened.

The Labour party is full of corruption and lies, its time to give them the boot for good and take charge of our own affairs without interference from Westminister.

10

2Right,

On Location 30/08/2007 02:52:27

# Peter Cherbi

There is a better chance of you flying to the moon like ET than documents being released, You should know our Governments do not release such without a fight.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=430820344&size=l

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=430820348&size=l

Whatever will they come out with next eh?

11

Navvy,

30/08/2007 03:43:57

It is going to take some time to clean out the 50 years of labour manure from the stables

This is a start

We should now start looking further west in Glasgow, Airdrie and environs, Lanarkshire etc

12

Boy Wonder,

30/08/2007 04:14:16

Why didn't they add to the picture and give this greedy, corrupt official a Dick Turpin mask and tricorn hat???

Wish I could get a retirement package of 55K a year! I wouldn't need any other payments!!!

13

Pilrig.,

Livingston 30/08/2007 05:28:13

Thanks to the golden handshake he'll be able to buy a tin of brasso to rub on his neck. What a wee chancer !

14

Ubi,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 05:30:12

In view of the unanswered questions resulting from discontinued disciplinary investigation, and meetings behind closed doors, perhaps the simplest course of action would be to make a formal complaint to the Chief Constable with a copy to this newspaper.

15

Alberto.,

30/08/2007 05:46:59

The man appears, obviously in collusion with other Council members, to have attempted wrongdoing and failed, and it seems that all 'officialdom' must be aware of this situation, yet no legal action taken against him for his / or others deliberate actions to better themselves financially at taxpayers expense!

So is it as it seems in Council 'employment', above a certain status, almost 'anything goes' - even if caught - no harm will become you!

And after this brilliant display of self greed from taxpayers funds and seemingly down to dishonesty - without penalty, are we still expected to believe all the now much preached and apparently 'tall stories' about Council funding shortages and financial crisis situations - Never!

Seems all due to severe incompetence, inefficiency, and, as they say, probably a bit of, maybe a lot of 'How's your father!' to suit the demand accordingly.

It seems that the Local and National politics 'game' still has a strong nasty smell hanging over it, and proving beyond all doubt that there are 'None so Blind as those who do not wish to see!

What a performance - and so well paid for such activity!

16

sidneygee,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 05:52:18

One point to remember about a "pension" is that National Insurance is NOT paid on this pension. Thus, the £55,000 is only subject to income tax. Thus worth significantly more to teh recipient than a 'salary' of £55,000.

As has been said " .. nice work if you can get it ..."

17

buller,

Macduff 30/08/2007 06:28:37

Such an obvious self centred , greedy , out of touch man ,you have to wonder what he has actually done for the people of East Lothian ? [EXCEPT LINE HIS OWN, AND NO DOUBT, FAMILY AND FRIENDS POCKETS !!!! ]

18

Phil C,

30/08/2007 06:36:09

The guy should have been slung out together with his corrupt Labour colleagues. Each should have got a bag of peanuts for their trouble!

19

David MacVicar,

web 30/08/2007 06:50:14

7. the_figures_are _fudged.

True, I think he should have been penalised further.
If there is evidence of criminal activites then that should be something for the police and our courts to decide. Not trial by press. If the other councilors have suppressed info it is likely to come to light at some point.

He is not being charged with anything afaik?
Unfortunately that means he is entitled to his pension. However he is leaving as a disgraced individual and his party is equally disgraced in the usual slease that has become its hallmark.

It is a victory in that it is a step in the right direction.
If the local population served by this council feel this should be pursued further, then they should do so.

20

forgoodnesssake,

Falkirk 30/08/2007 07:17:17

No wonder East Lothian has some of the highest council taxes in the UK when they give people or consider giving people those kind of pay outs.

21

livilion,

livingston 30/08/2007 07:18:43

No doubt another example of SNP corruption to go with the CEC leader and Provost wanting a £3,000 red ermine robe and tricorn hat for the provost, as well as wanting to shut Lothians primary schools?


The Scotsman does not make it clear which party is responsible for the happy, smiley, nice man in the photo, councillor John Lindsay.

Neither does it make clear why the Labour councillors walked out of the meeting.
In a huff?

Neither does it mention which party Alex McCrorie, who was also heavily criticised, represents.

eg 'Dave Berry, the SNP leader of the authority'.
Not one wrong doer in the eyes of the council is directly identified in this piece as being a member of the Labour party, but Mr Berry from the SNP was the only one to have 'been critical of the deal' before the election.

Spitefull, nasty, old Mr Berry.

By the tone of this piece are we to assume a witch hunt for this poor man and his colleague, who's only 'crime' was to try to wangle a £149,000 redundancy payment out of the council months before recieving a similar sum for retiring?

The council would probably only have spent the money anyway.
What next, you'll be expecting them all to be honest as well?

22

Jay Kay,

Burntisland 30/08/2007 07:26:38

This is the same reason as the councilors in Edinburgh are refusing representation from parents who's kids are going to be affected by the schools closures.

By the way the councils Estates surveyors were in the playgrounds yesterday photographing the land these schools are built on.

The exercise to put a value on the land so they can sell it of to the highest bidder and pocket the cash has begun.

These people are corrupt, criminal and something must be done to turf all these b*ggers out on their ear.

I hear the councillors were debating yesterday, not about the schools closure or the thousands of bairns its going to affect, NO1 they want to bring back ceremonial robes at a cost to the taxpayer of tens of thousands of pounds.

SO they can get dressed up and ponce around at official ceremonies.

CRiminal f*cking criminal.

I dont normally swear, I am an educated man but this scandal at Edinburgh Council makes my blood boil.

I would like an investigation to take place as into who is going to personally benefit from these closures.

Where is the Money going to go once the schools are sold and the land turned into housing by some scummy developer who will sell the properties of at about a 200% profit then disapear never to be seen again once the new owners take up residence and find huge snagging lists on their new properties and the builders no where in sight.

I wonder how many of the councilors in charge have fingers or brothers in law at the head of some of these private housing associations or building contractors.

This whole thing stinks of someone getting ritch quick.

Just like John Lindsay,#3 Archie I totally agree mate why is the police not involved. What John Lindsay did was criminal the only reason he didnt retire on an extra £150,000 is he got found out.

Councillors think tehy are to bl**dy good to meet with the very people who elected them, I say we need to expose these people for t

23

SEUMAS,

TAIN 30/08/2007 07:33:17

Come on Royster.am2, howdoyoudo e.t.c. where are you???

24

Monorail,

30/08/2007 07:34:03

the_figures_are _fudged, Galashiels

#1 victory ? He still recieves £200k of our council tax where is the victory in that ?

His pension is coming from the pension fund he has been paying into every month for the past 40 years. It is not funded from current taxation as you imply - unlike pensions for Nurses, Doctors, Fire Board workers, or Teachers. Who's pensions are funded from current taxation.

25

TommyAtkins,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 07:41:20

The whole scandal of this is that it is not people that are made redundant but posts, and a the holder of redundant post receives a redundancy payment.

Just how the post of CEO of a council is made redundant is beyond comprehension, and hence it is plain wrong [illegal?] to have rewarded Mr Lindsay with a redundancy payment for holding a post that is and never was redundant.

26

The Honest Lad,

30/08/2007 07:43:54

Aye the new administration are on a spend spend spend mission as well. In light of the three year council tax freeze where is the money going to come from? I cant wait to see there budget although from above the extra funds may come from a management restructure?

P.s. Could someone get all those Gypses out of the now free costal car parks? What a mess they have created, nice decision by the new administration, not!!!

27

11+failed,

the pans 30/08/2007 07:47:44

The disgraced and corrupt John Lindsay conspired with his crony Alex Mc Crorie and with the active connivance of the New Labour council to obtain £150,000, early retirement on a full pension and the installation of McCrorie into the chief executives job without a proper selection proceedure.
Fortunately,with the rejection of the Labour council at the recent elections the plot has been foiled. Meanwhile the rapacious Lindsay retains his generous pension benefits and retires voluntarily to his £1m home at Archerfield with its security guarded access designed to exclude the hoi polloi of East Lothian who have, and are, paying for it.
The message from all this is clear, senior employees and councillors can dream up schemes to enrich themselves at the tax payers expense on a may win but cannot lose basis.
We can only hope that Lindsay's neighbours and golf partners at his exclusive golf club are aware that many will consider them to be associating with a crook.

28

mina,

Glasgow 30/08/2007 07:48:17

#17 Thanks for your post, good to laugh after reading this article.

29

'Hezza,

30/08/2007 07:52:32

Common sense prevails! And the cost of sorting this mess out? c.£149k, no doubt!

30

Judge&Jury,

Glasgow 30/08/2007 07:55:24

If ever there was a classic example of the downfall of greed, this is it.

If he had kept his mouth shut and walked away with his severance package, instead of arguing the toss about staying in post he would have been £300,000 better off.

I think this was someone who's common sense button was overidden by flashing pound signs.

31

George7,

30/08/2007 07:59:24

It is good that this despicable breach of trust has been covered thoroughly by one of the Scotsman’s leading journalists. Unfortunately the relationship between many journalists and local authorities elsewhere in the country appear to be mutually sustaining.

Mr. Lindsay was awarded the OBE for services to local government – how did this come about? Will any other senior council staff involved in this affair receive similar honours at some point in the future? Why did the council’s head of personnel not see that “the original deal did not constitute a redundancy in law”?

Victor (19) raises the question of collusion, and many people will be concerned by the fact that several councillors walked out of such an important meeting. Many of us share an allegiance with some political party or other, but we also pay council tax. This case has demonstrated to us all the extent to which senior local authority officials can easily abuse their positions of power.

It is of course good to read that Mr. Lindsay will not now receive a redundancy payment. The truth, however, is that apart from some negative publicity he has been penalized in no way. A person of dubious character in similar circumstances to those of Mr. Lindsay might see that they have little to lose by trying the “Lindsay manoeuvre”.

32

Colinton Jimmie,

30/08/2007 08:06:01

Being from the Pans, #31, perhaps you and your fellow East Lothian residents should be thinking of encouraging the police to investigate this affair. Having a politically inspired compromise cannot surely be acceptable in an open democratic society when there is a heavy implication of impropriety (at the very least).

Too many issues of serious consequence are swept under the carpet in this country. The McKie finger-printing travesty comes to mind. Unless these episodes are openly tackled, we are condemned to undergoing repetitions. Saving politicians red faces cannot be an option. The lack of accountability for wrong doing in the public sector is striking.

33

Riley Hamish,

EDINBURGH 30/08/2007 08:10:00

..........and very well done to Dave Berry, who ploughed a lone furrow for a time trying to expose this farce.
Lindsay's VERY lucky indeed to walk away with this package..no matter how aggrieved his moaning faced wife is about this (ahem) "injustice"
I hope yer retirement is a miserable wan Sir...........(and probably will be if ye need tae listen tae her droanin' oan a' day !!!)

34

James,

Dundee 30/08/2007 08:18:01

When this was originally highlighted in the Scotsman, there were many complaints eminating from contributors to this website. I say well done to you all, and for once, well done to the Scotsman for giving us this platform.
Now how many more stones can be turned over?

It's time to expose, and name and shame the corrupt ones.

I for one look forward to the exposure of those continually awarded council contracts, no questions asked.

I also look forward to council appointments to be 'open'.

I also believe in the tooth fairy.

35

The Strategist,

30/08/2007 08:25:46

To have a pension of £55k per annum you would need to have over £1m in your pension pot.

Very few in the private sector will ever achieve that.

36

Alexander,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 08:30:39

#31
You will not be surprised to know that Lindsay's principal golfing partner is his fellow conspirator Alex McCrorie. He could, perhaps, call for golf partners on some of the Labour councillors who OK'd his dis-honest scheme of self enrichment or those who walked out of the recent meeting. One problem for Lindsay's is that generally these Labour councillors failed to get their snouts as deeply into the trough as himself and might not be acceptable at his golf club.

37

God almighty,

30/08/2007 08:38:07

#3 Archie - unfortunately the Directors of plcs regularly trouser much larger sums of cash than this. At least the mechanism of democracy worked in this instance to prevent a clear case of corruption.

Having worked at a major life assurance company for several years I can testify to the fact that shareholders are routinely swindled in this way by senior executives awarding themselves six or even seven-figure bonuses and retirement packages.

38

Tweedmouth,

30/08/2007 08:38:07

This is just tip of the Iceberg. The reason seven labour councillors walked out of the investigation meeting is probably because this guy knows where all the skeletons are buried in Easy Lothian and many councillors have had their fingers in many pies. To give just one example - Cllr Norman Hampshire from Dunbar claimed £25,000 in travelling expenses back in 2000 - for travelling three times a week from Dunbar to Haddington. An internal council enquiry voted that these expenses were 'legitimate'. For the record, you could fly round trip from Edinburgh to California in 200 for just over £200. So A cooncillor from Dunbar could have made one hundred and twenty five round trips to San Francisco for the same £25k he claimed it cost him to travel from Dunbar to Haddington five days a week. What was he travelling in - a stretch limo???

39

Not A Unionist or Nationalist,

Dundee 30/08/2007 08:39:28

Anyone who works for a local council will tell you that councillors are generally toothless when it comes to decisions. The people who hold the power are the council officers.

40

drew 33,

duddingston 30/08/2007 08:44:11

I can see the developer of Archerfield at Dirleton cashing in on this. The big notice board at the entrance will have an addition, HOME OF THE NOTORIOUS JOHN LINDSAY>

41

Billy,

Germany 30/08/2007 08:49:20

Coucillors pay and allowances should be set in stone and the same all over the country. No
pay-offs ,no "performance" bonus's no early retirement when the going gets tough.

Same applies for the workers. No staggering rates of overtime, no unchecked expenses claims, and a
no strike clause in all council contracts. Then and only then will we start attracting people into local goverment who are genuinely interested in making
a difference to peoples lives, and not these thieving lying cowardly LABOUR vultures.

Why is this article not being charged with corruption ?

42

jennie,

inverness 30/08/2007 08:49:58

perhaps councils should audit each other, with bonuses to the officers who uncover the most corruption in another authority - a percentage of what they save that authority

"The panel, which had an independent external adviser, had first to investigate whether there was a need for any disciplinary action" - AN external adviser? it should have been a majority of external folk. How can you trust these people to regulate themselves? all power corrupts...and these guys are the same guys who can't find money for carers and other needy residents of their area.

43

Cramondo,

30/08/2007 08:52:11

Scotsman Government "Editor" (that would be quite a senior position) hasn't a clue about public sector pensions nor does he read the comments about his articles. Can't blame him, I suppose, who would want to navigate their way through huge helpings of SNP spam every day?

Anyway, he continues to describe the package as worth 200k. It's worth 150k plus 50k inflation linked a year. (Taking his green pen out...) - have pointed this out before.

Anyway, it's good that this has been resolved. To get a redundancy package on top of retiral lump sum was outrageous.

44

Nemo,

Neither Unionist nor Nationalist but Realist 30/08/2007 08:57:08

Spot on No. 45

The simple way for all the whingers in this list to embarass the Cooncil even further and drag their affairs into the open is to make Freedom of Infomation Requests concerning your interests.

But don't be a vexatious timewaster, be specific in your demands.

Hmmm, wonder what East Lothian's budget for cross cut shredders is?

45

Mr Pink,

30/08/2007 09:06:10

It doesnt say what the extra £149,000 was supposed to be for.

Services to where he knows the bodies are buried?

46

Zoom2,

30/08/2007 09:07:41

#25

Absolutely spot on, Livilion. This is disgraceful journalism. I noticed exactly the same tendency yesterday when the story first broke. Unreal.

And do we really need further proof that Labour are completely unelectable in Scotland? They are rotten to the core and have done illimitable damage to Scotland on every level of government.

47

conservative,

Fife 30/08/2007 09:09:47

Labour!!!!!

You just couldn't make it up.

48

Ctinj,

Alloa 30/08/2007 09:18:23

'Last night the council revealed that Mr Lindsay, 60, who has been on "gardening leave" while the council tried to resolve the issue, had decided to resign and would also retire'

How can someone resign and retire? I know my understanding of employment law is extremely basic, but I didn't think you could do both, it was one or the other.

If he's resigned, then thats it end of story, and his pension should not kick in until legal retirement age (or whatever it was set at). To my mind he is therefore not entitled to the £200k retiring bonus.

As for the labour councillors walking out - they must be upset poor loves, they're not going to be able to do the same thing, its been deemed illegal.

49

Sir Albert Kidd,

East Lothian 30/08/2007 09:19:09

No No No David Berry, this does not "draw a line under it", it merely makes you look as bad as your Nu Labour predecessors!. You promised us an open and honest Council, yet you hide behind closed doors and make an agreement with a guy , who it looks like ,to everyone but politicians seemingly, was doing something which was in breach of the Nolan Principles and was gross misconduct and reasonable grounds for dismissal. You halt the Disciplinary Investigation and give your thanks to a man who was trying to help himself to our public purse. What about all the other Council Officers who turned a blind eye while he was doing this? Is this your precedent for Council Staff, try to make a free buck and if you are caught dont worry, we wont pursue through Discipline or the Courts, you can just resign? Just get a red rossette David!

50

Sir Albert Kidd,

East Lothian 30/08/2007 09:21:34

For those who want to pursue this without fear of their identity being discovered, Crimestoppers number is 0800 555 111.

51

mec,

edinburgh 30/08/2007 09:23:29

We should all do as Nemo (no 49) says and ask for everything relating to this sorry state of affairs to be sent to us as a Freedom of Information request. You don't have to actually read it all just ask to p*ss them off!

52

Mike S,

30/08/2007 09:23:53

In your report you state " The panel, which had an independent external adviser, had first to investigate whether there was a need for any disciplinary action. If it had found that there was a case to answer, then it could have recommended a formal disciplinary hearing and Mr Lindsay might have faced sanctions, ranging from a warning, through suspension without pay, to demotion, reduction in salary or even dismissal." but the matter is not going any further. If there was any alleged wrongdoing surely it should be investigated any the necessary discipilary action taken. It may even have ended up in less pension and/or dismissal. Why was Mr Lindsay allowed to resign before completion of any investigation?

53

Chris in East Lothian,

Scotland 30/08/2007 09:28:10

#10 and others:

You can take a complaint about Councillors' conduct , as I have, to the Standards Commission. There is a complaint form at
www.standardscommissionscotland.org.uk

or you can write to:

Office of Investigations
The Standards Commission for Scotland
Forsyth House
Innova Campus
Rosyth Europarc
ROSYTH
KY11 2UU

The Councillors Code of Conduct includes the following:

(2.1) Duty
“You have a duty to uphold the law and act in accordance with the law and the public trust placed in you.”

(Annex C) 18. “Where councillors are involved in the appointments of employees they must act fairly and openly and judge candidates solely on merit.”

6. ".....relationships should never be allowed to become so close, or appear to be so close, as to bring into question employees' ability to deal impartially with other councillors, and the ability of Chairs to deal impartially with other employees."

54

Nemo,

Keyboard dyslexic 30/08/2007 09:29:03

That should have been "Spot on No. 44"

55

Not A Unionist or Nationalist,

Dundee 30/08/2007 09:32:40

I really do find myself laughing when some post here that this would not happen under an SNP council. For many of our councils it does not matter who we elect - it is the council officers who make the decisions with the councillors just rubber-stamping them.

Up here in Dundee we have the usual hilarity that is the annual budget. Budgets are presented - they are supposedly worked on independently by the SNP and the Labour groups - both look pretty identical apart from the odd difference - why? Because it is the council officers who advised the groups in the first place and drew up the outline budgets. Anyone who thinks that our local councils are democratic is living in cloud cuckoo land. The reality is that here in Dundee the SNP could be elected and things would carry on as they have.

What really needs to happen is that council officers need to be made far more accountable for their actions - how that is achieved is another matter.

56

Mike S,

30/08/2007 09:46:33

#62 too true, and they wonder why lots of people choose not to vote at elections. If they will not investigate suspected wrongdoing to a conclusion doubt, suspicion and cynicism will replace trust and respect.

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Märiö äntoinette,

30/08/2007 10:19:37

May I suggest a new little handy sound bite for The Scotsman rather than "Carnaby Street of Edinburgh" or "Shannon the cannon".

How about "sicily of the north" ? The corruption in our Local Government would make for a great piece of Investigative Journalism , if any of you could be bothered. And if you can't how about starting with the gross wasteful inefficiency of our local councils ?

We're the ones paying for this crap and we have no choice.

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Märiö äntoinette,

30/08/2007 10:23:49

i find this flabberghasting when we hear of a 10m "shortfall" for Edinburghs services (okay , its a different authority but same garbage, different place).

Honestly , it makes me want to go out and tan some window.

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Not A Unionist or Nationalist,

Dundee 30/08/2007 10:28:05

#64 You are correct - there has been a lot of talk here about corruption but the biggest problem is the gross mismanagement and inefficiency within councils.

For example, no-one has ever explained to me why Dundee City Council needs 5 members of staff on £85k+ a year in an education department serving only 9 (soon to be 8) secondaries and their feeder primary schools. All these people do is come up with policy after policy that everyone ignores - £25 a pop for folders on Learning & Teaching In Dundee that are sitting on dusty shelves comes to mind. Teachers are sick to death of teaching without adequate resources whilst these people waste money on their pet projects.

The problem is though that anyone who gets a job with a council is in a job for life - if they worked in the private sector they'd be out on their ears a long time ago.

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St Kilda,

Outer Hebrides, Scotland 30/08/2007 10:31:22

This final report about a 'self-inflicted ' voluntary retirement without the additional payment of £ 139,000 on top of the extra-ordinarily generous retirement package of a 'lump' sum of £ 155,000 and annual salary for life of £ 55,000 (indexed I may say ! ) must surely awaken someone in the government if not Executive Suites of Civil Service employers and/or ordinary citizens to the reality of this ludicrous outcome ! If such levels of payments are deemed correct and proper for a glorified ' pen-pusher ' who served 40 years by only requiring his presence on the scene of the job to qualify , to what must the salaries and retirement packages be increased to adequately remunerate absolutely essential and highly skilled, doctors, surgeons, nurses, scientists, legal fraternity, airline pilots, masters of public service ferries ?

These current outrageous level of wages and salaries and (e.g.) cost of housing is directly the responsibility of decades of demands for unnecessarily high increases in pay .Less to better effect at the end of the day would have been a far better path to follow , but we now live to regret having followed the chosen alternative !It's too late to say " I told you so !

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why can't I use my own name???,

30/08/2007 10:34:37

A clown who does not understand the English language nor what his duty was to the populace of East Lothian! Aside from Blair, the behaviour of the labour group at ELC was instrumental in me changing my allegiance this year at the polls.

A Cooncil wallah, through and through!

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Dinah-Saur,

Embra 30/08/2007 10:42:01

So many good and sensible comments:

#44 Drew - Home of the notorious John Lindsay - ha ha, and yes, maybe someone could do a Hollywood style tour to the homes of corrupt council/govt officials. At least we'd get some satisfaction if only through embarassing them.

#54 Sir Albert - I agree, seeing the disciplinary process cut short is infuriating and hardly counts as open govt. I've downloaded form from Standards Commission (thanks #59 Chris in East Lothian) it looks pretty straightforward/concise, and intend to ask why the matter hasn't been properly investigated.

#64 Mario - "Sicily of the North" - classic. And so true.

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why can't I use my own name???,

30/08/2007 10:52:30

Post #65

'Honestly , it makes me want to go out and tan some window.'

There's a big one, down in East Lothian; loadsa windows. Wanna come?

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Scottish Toryboy is back,

30/08/2007 10:56:52

20. sidneygee: you are wrong in your assertion that he will not have to pay national insurance on his pension from the Council. He will have to carry on paying NI contributions until he reaches the state retirement age of 65 (he is 60 just now). The fact that he is in receipt of an occupational pension from the Council is irrelevant – see www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/benefits/

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Edward,

30/08/2007 11:01:39

The council's statement, released yesterday afternoon, said Mr Lindsay would "receive the retirement payments to which he is legally entitled" from the council's pension fund. However, "to ensure propriety", the figures have been submitted by the council to Audit Scotland "for verification".
So hopefully Audit Scotland will reject the pension as well, so it might not be over just yet for this Labour scumbag!

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terry osser,

london 30/08/2007 11:08:12

post 28 you are wrong. virtually all local govt pension funds are in defecit and the shortfall is by law the resposibility of council taxpayers. most executives do not 40 years. there is the 85 rule so if age plus years of service = 85 then full pension even if not funded fully.

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Jasper,

Durham 30/08/2007 11:09:31

#12 and #16 - got to agree. The only attraction of having a Scottish Parliament was if it would clean the Labour stables. The Parliament has not done that yet except by exposing first ministers as either useless or corrupt or both. It would be wonderful if some kind of powerful audit/enquiry were made of all Labour controlled councils, one after the other. Labour truly is a pile of etish.

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JayJay,

Right here 30/08/2007 11:10:56

As I said elsewhere a few days ago, the pension fund deficit in Edinburgh Council is over £300m - across all of Scotland's public sector, one can only imagine the cumulative deficit.
You look at this retirement package, and you have to ask yourself, if this is representative of the sort of largesse retiring public sector officials can expect (and let's face it, many many of these types are lifelong public sector johnnies) how on earth is this sort of funding obligation to be supported?
Forget the scandal of the Lindsay affair. What bothers me is that the public sector is carrying a pension scheme that remains open to new members, is resolutely final salary based (something of a rarity in the real world), and offers rewards, especially to middle ranking officials and above, the sort of retirement deal few in the private sector - outwith the boardroom - could dream of.
We need not look too far to figure out why Council tax keeps rising...and let's be honest, a Local Income Tax will fare little better faced with this hungry beast.

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Thomas the Tank,

Embra 30/08/2007 11:13:35

STBib#73, no, this shameless chancer won't have to pay further N.I. contributions unless he takes another job - if you read further on in your link:- If you are a man aged 60 to 65 and you are not paying contributions on earnings (because, for example, you have taken early retirement), you will get NI credits.

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TimW1234,

Ontario, Canada 30/08/2007 11:13:41

"Gardening leave" as in a pig snuffling for truffles?

Yet another example of corrupt, greedy politicians grunting and up to their snouts in swill in the political trough.

Happens here too and we taxpayers are getting mighty fed up with exorbitant and usurious payouts to retiring or incompetent officials.

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The Second Coming,

glasgow 30/08/2007 11:15:04

#73 Toryboy: Im not following one of your link’s – the last time you were making some stupid point about nationalism and I was led 2 pictures of holocaust victim’s! Be warned everyone – this character is the lowest of the low! Like councilors with their noses in the trough, his kind will not be welcome in an independant scotland! Its time!

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terry osser,

london 30/08/2007 11:15:23

all local education authorities should be scrapped. school heads can run their schools better than pen pushers

BUT public sector is nulab electorate.

think how much money is wasted by this needless across the board bureaucracy

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Lock,

30/08/2007 11:17:17

#77,

We need to start taxing the pensioners. LIT won't do it is it makes them exempt. Just stick on a threshold so the less well off aren't affected.

According to the SNP's 'fair' local tax plans this guy won't be contributing to local services.

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Thomas the Tank,

Embra 30/08/2007 11:20:28

Dinah#70 - I would't get over-excited about referring this matter to the Standards Commission - in my experience their Chief Investigating Officer and all his little inquisitor-helpers would be hard-pushed to investigate the source of an unpleasant smell in a space suit. Their 'investigation' apparently consists of asking the Councillor/Official if he did it - if the answer's 'No'; Case Closed.

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Edward,

30/08/2007 11:21:38

So the Labour ran authority, have been "unlawful".
but seven Labour councillors walked out of the meeting, why was that? I suspect that they were complicit in this and perhaps should themselves be investigated!
As there is only seven Labour councillors, then that was ALL the Labour councillors

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Edward,

30/08/2007 11:22:39
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The Honest Lad,

30/08/2007 11:33:09

Based on a lot of comments above i have changed my opinion and say"Bollocks to pensions", lets all just work till we die saving a wad load of cash in the process. Therefore if you wish to retire when older you shall have to save properly for and self fund it.

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Edward,

30/08/2007 11:37:13

East Lothian ratepayers should contact there Labour councillor and ask them why they walked out of the meeting, when they were complicit in what was an unlawfuly
agreeing to give John Lindsay his redundancy package
John Neil jmcneil@eastlothian.gov.uk
Margaret Libberton mlibberton1@eastlothian.gov.uk
Andrew Forrest aforrest2@eastlothian.gov.uk
Jim Gillies jgillies@eastlothian.gov.uk
Donald Grant dgrant@eastlothian.gov.uk
Willie Innes winnes@eastlothian.gov.uk
Norman Hampshire nhampshire@eastlothian.gov.uk

Im sure they would all like to hear from you

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Monorail,

30/08/2007 11:37:23

75. terry osser, london / 12:08pm 30 Aug 2007

post 28 you are wrong. virtually all local govt pension funds are in defecit and the shortfall is by law the resposibility of council taxpayers. most executives do not 40 years. there is the 85 rule so if age plus years of service = 85 then full pension even if not funded fully.

No one is paying a shortfall - it's a figure on pension fund accounts, which may or may not in the future be required to be paid - although it may not. Council tax payers have had the benefit in the past of breaks and lower employer contributions as well.

The rule 85 is being abolished as your probably aware and staff will have to work longer and pay more of their salary into the pension - a significant change in terms and conditions.

Lindsay must have been on about £110k a year - same as ROV driver in the North Sea or the manager of a car sales franchise? - not a lot for someone responsible for Education, Social Work, Environmental Health and even your bins being collected.

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Calum Crubag,

30/08/2007 11:39:22

#25 - maybe Edinburgh's Labour councillors should be investigated too. Why is numptie Eric Milligan allowed to keep his plush Provot's office when fincancial difficulties, caused by Labour, mean schools have to close?

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Colinton Jimmie,

30/08/2007 11:39:55

I wonder whether the gentlemen of Archerfield private Golf Club will black ball Lindsay and his ELC cronie.

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Colinton Jimmie,

30/08/2007 11:50:28

St Kilda #67, you make good points. If the truth were known about public sector salary scales (i.e. non-front line workers) and perks and the calibre of people who invariably are entitled to them, there would be a hue and cry across the land. There are individuals hanging on to nothing jobs on enormous salaries waiting for the day that they are put out to grass on pensions that are completely out of line with the rest of society.

Arguably the biggest issue facing Scotland right now is the extensive scale of the public sector, its unproductive nature relative to the economy as a whole and the level of salaries "earned" by holders for life of largely undemanding jobs.

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Märiö äntoinette,

30/08/2007 12:09:54

Totally agree Colinton Jimmie. Well said.

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Dinah-Saur,

Embra 30/08/2007 12:11:33

#84 Thomas the Tank. You're probably right, the Standards Commission is probably another nonsense waste of money org set up to distract everyone from the real stuff going on. However, complaining took less than 20 mins and made me feel like I'd done something. And I just can't quite stop myself from trying despite it being very likely pointless.

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Saoghal Beag,

30/08/2007 12:19:25

Surely embezzling £150k is gross misconduct and should be treated as such. His resignation letter should be returned to him and he should be sacked. He deserves no get out clause.

As for the 7 NuLabour numpties who stropped out, what heve they got to hide and how can they defy a judgement on a clearly unprofessional decision? What have they got to hide? The surface has barely been scratched.

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why can't I use my own name???,

30/08/2007 12:21:11

Post #89

'...and even your bins being collected.'

He couldn't even do that right, with his hare-brained scheme of halting litter collection from certain EL environs, and referring to it as a 'public relations' exercise' !!!!

Johnny Nae-Pals, now, hopefully.

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Saoghal Beag,

30/08/2007 12:21:46

96 Jimmy choo, would waiving the planning conditions and Lindsay getting a house in the estate be linked???? wonder what he paid for it?

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why can't I use my own name???,

30/08/2007 12:23:04
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Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 30/08/2007 12:25:49

Take a deep breath, hold it, now breathe out, the quite distinct bouquet of rodent can be detected.

An oustanding example of pure unadulterated greed and back scratching yet no one is held to account, jobs for the boys.

By the way, to qualify for, (at age 60) a yearly pension of 55k with a lump sum of 155k, final saleried, index linked with 50% going to the spouse in the event of the death of the pension holder, the pension pot (fund) on retirement, would have to hold a staggering £1.4 million.

Of course it's different for the public sector because the payment by and large is paid for out of either council tax or income tax however anyway you look at it if you want to know who is paying for it just look in the mirror.

And don't come back to me with this "but I pay 5% of my salary towards my public sector pension, I'm sure you do but who pays the other 95%?

Surely such over generous payments are no longer sustainable. If I am to subsidise anyone's pension then I would rather it was my own, not too much to ask is it?

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wattie>x 1,

30/08/2007 12:28:05

Just another of the many exposures off Brown's greedy, corrupt New Labour Champagne socialist party.
Few within its ranks have any scruples when it come to plundering the gravy train financed by the taxpayers.
Will we ever learn?

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Saoghal Beag,

30/08/2007 12:32:13

Don't panic everyone, AM2 has surfaced and is adding his comment to the smoking thread.......pretty damning when the unioistas can't come to the defence of their own.

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Faye,

30/08/2007 12:35:53

The taxpayers booty is under attack from private companies and the redundancy scam by council executives.

Who is really looking after the public purse?

This attitude: increase taxes must stop.

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morris,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 12:41:03

Why are we paying him anything at all is what I would want to know? Sack him and thats the end of the matter is what I would expect to happen? He appears to gain financially for being dishonest.How on earth can that be correct?
Either he has reached retirement age, or its a dismissal I would have thought,and the usual mutual agreement crud will no doubt be evident.

This appears to be one set of rules for the senior executves and another for the staff.

If he is legally entitled to his pension provision ,fair enough,what hes entitled to must be paid,but any other payment is a misuse of public funds and should be withheld .Is this what has happened or is he still being paid monies at the discretion of the council and if so WHY?
Im not convinced this is above board on what information I have read so far. If I lived in East Lothian I would be asking questions here big time!

If this is in order please explain it to the East Lothian Tax Payers.They have a right to know that what has happened is what should happen.

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Mike S,

30/08/2007 13:16:56

Well named Auld Reekie. Wonder what's reekin'?

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Hobold,

Scotland 30/08/2007 13:18:04

#25 "which party is responsible for the happy, smiley, nice man in the photo, councillor John Lindsay"

John Lindsay is not a councillor. He is an employee of ELC.

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Faye,

30/08/2007 13:23:06

#106 Colin R
Labour are not scum - they have a few bad apples just as the Tories have - forgotten about the Tory brown envelope affair and cash for questions?

Every party has a few bad apples lurking about.

The sign of a good and fair system is to root out the greedy and the dishonest and reward those who are honest and have given good service to the public.

Ask yourself: Did I make your money from honest means?

If the answer is Yes, fine, it not then you might want to consider yourself in the league of this crowd.
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1156&id=13699...

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Scottish Toryboy is back,

30/08/2007 13:58:12

#78 Thomas the Tank & #80 Methalions: I stand corrected – I did not realise that there was an exemption for NI contributions on non earnings. To those who say that this Chief Executive is being over rewarded, I would point out that someone with his level of responsibility would have earned a vast amount if he’d worked in the public sector – so much, in fact, that he would have been able to live off the interest on his savings for the rest of his life. The fact that he probably wouldn’t have had the benefit of a defined benefit “final salary” pension would have been irrelevant. The simple truth is that any organisation intent on attracting the best has to pay accordingly. Public sector pay lags behind that which is available in the commercial sector, and the recompense for this is the defined benefit pension.

Leaving aside the distraction of the independence question, I do hope that the left wing culture in Scotland, which for many years has denigrated success, will dissipate now that we are final rid of the dead weight of Labour rule.

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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/08/2007 14:06:31

-- Labour are not scum.

Yes they are. Listening to a transcript of a Tony Blair, Mandelson, Prescott, Straw, Reid, Younger cabinet meeting on BBC television shocked me with their utter contempt of the British People and their foul language with it. Wendy Alexander has not even critised this as she is part of it too. That Jack McConnel attemped to run Scotland from his villa in Spain verges on the ludicrous but is not funny either to the working folk of Scotland.

Top fishing skippers - and Alex knows these Buchan men - take calculated risks, because they've thought over and calculated this risks beforehand. Their crews stick with them. The SNP represents the working people of Scotland whether waged or not and all our concerns with the education of our children, care of the elderly and infirm, and this word RESPECT.

Other career politicians I have no interest in.

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The Second Coming,

glasgow 30/08/2007 14:19:58

Scotland will only be a happy place once all the fatcat’s like this jumped up councilor and all their crony’s in the labour party and the scotsman have been marginalised in an independant scotland. Tell the fat cat’s that they can make their own way like the rest of us! Never mind the minimum wage, how about setting a maximum wage in an independant scotland which couldnt be got round by other perks such as final salary pension’s from councils or shares from companys! Its time! Tell Alex and Nicola what u want in the national conversation and shout it loud and clear on the new scottish six! Its time!

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Sir Albert Kidd,

East Lothian 30/08/2007 14:20:49

The silence from the Nu SNP and Nu Lib/Dems is amazing.

This seems to indicate they think nothing was done wrong, indeed they thank this man for his service!

Come on someone from the Administration, tell us why you think this scoundrel deserves your thanks and not instant dismissal?

You got elected on a promise to sort this out, not whitewash the issue.

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Sir Albert Kidd,

East Lothian 30/08/2007 14:25:21

Oh, and the Scotsman Leader - "East Lothian Question Answered" - I dont think so, this was only the starter question, the bonus rounds are still to come!

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The Man Who Knows,

Republic of Perth 30/08/2007 14:28:14

Once again, The Man Who Knows is proved correct. I look forward to receiving apologies from all those who said this would not be the outcome.

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David MacVicar,

web 30/08/2007 14:45:12

Off topic but might interest some of the usual posters:

I see the bbc seem to have discovered that Scotlands political scene is changing and might actually start reporting a bit more online with a new Scottish news area:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6478647.stm

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Thomas the Tank,

Embra 30/08/2007 15:18:33

DMcV#116 - Thanks for that link - as you say, it's only taken 4 months for this seismic shift to reach the EBC HQ!

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HV,

30/08/2007 15:18:34

£55,000 a year pension!
£155,000 lump sum!
Shocking.
I know it's been highlighted before, but it needs said again.

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mr chips,

30/08/2007 15:26:09

88. Edward / Well done mate.
The scotsman fails yet again to name the said labour
scum.

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Scottish Toryboy is back,

30/08/2007 15:51:24

#118 HV: do you hear football fans demonstrating against the salaries of their star names? There were demonstrations outside Ibrox when the club wasn’t producing results, but I’ve not heard of anyone protesting against Barry Ferguson’s weekly salary! If you want the best then you’ve got to pay for it, it’s as simple as that! Only the Scottish Tories fully understand this- Labour and the Liberals are stuck in the past, no matter how much they have tried to modernise, and it remains to be seen what we can expect from the SNP, assuming of course that the independence question doesn’t distract them from progressing the bread and butter policies which are what people really care about.

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wattie>x 1,

30/08/2007 16:01:02

#109> New Labour has a few bad apples...
Have they now?
That must be the understatement so far of the 21st century!
Since they imposed a Nazi style embargo on free discussion; no dissent allowed; stage-managed publicity stunts; rigged standing ovations; strictly
prepared planted question and answers in the Commons by selected MPs; democracy buried under a mass of lies and five undeclared wars on the former Labour party and the people of the UK from 1997, the New Labour Party Champagne socialist are just as despised today -, as Thatcher's Tories were in the 1980s - by the majority of the British peopel, especially the Scots.

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Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 30/08/2007 16:17:29

Now available paperback.

HOW TO WORK YOUR TICKET

Author J. Lindsay. Price £55k

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TimW1234,

Ontario, Canada 30/08/2007 16:50:37

# 119 Michael Rigby of England

I already said the same thing at post # 79.

I suppose the saying IS true that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Thank your for your effusive compliments on MY originality.

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Baillie Guthrie,

30/08/2007 17:39:00

It's a Russian saying that:

The Fish Rots from the head down

Mr Lindsay is a very very small fish indeed.


Very small, miserable,nasty...well GC said it.

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Conan,

Here 30/08/2007 17:42:23

TY very much Mr. Lindsay for your excellent service.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/08/2007 17:52:49

What is the PC for GTF?

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morris,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 18:16:19

110

You say "Thank God we are rid of Labour rule".
We are rid of socialism as far as the New Labour Party are concerned but we have a ready made replacement for the Tory party which was removed from Scotland and you are apparently a supporter,so are you sure you want rid of them. They are the nearest thing to Thatcher ism ever to be popular in Scotland! How much longer they exist is a matter of debate however, but they have been removed from Scotland because they are too much in agreement with you!

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Chris in East Lothian,

30/08/2007 18:21:45

re 128.
Thank You very much messrs Lindsay and McCrorie for providing comparators for my wife's sex discrimination case against East Lothian Council (to be heard at Employment Tribunal in Oct).
She was disciplined for taking a letter into the office ("undeclared mail"!). These 2 men - close friends - conspired together to help themselves to a) 150k and b) the top job, without bothering to declare an interest.
My wife's actions were shown to be normal everyday and not against any procedure, theirs were unlawful.
My wife was sacked, no action is taken against the 2 men.
One law for us, another law for them.

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Gie's a break,

Somewhere between a rock and a hard place 30/08/2007 18:22:20

What is the moral of this tale?
For me it's the notion some "unlawful" acts are not unlawful enough to warrant prosecution. Furthermore the bar appears to have been set at a minimum level of at least £149,000.
Making some adjustments for inflation, I reckon I can now cease making any community charge payments for the next forty years without fear of prosecution.
Hurrah for local government!

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morris,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 18:26:50

116

The BBC's attititude was evident when I complained about their relevance to Scotland in refusing a six o clock news and spending half of what they raise in Scotland on Scotland!" Their answer was "YOU DONT HAVE TO WATCH OR LISTEN "

Im only too well aware of that,but I have to pay a licence fee 50% of which is subsidising the BBC outside Scotland ,and Im not even watching at all!
Justify that ! They cannot of course.

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Miss H,

30/08/2007 18:46:00

Love the photo but they should have had a sad faced one at the bottom to balance it out. Before and after type of thing.

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Miss H,

30/08/2007 18:46:48

130

Are you allowed to say that?

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morris,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 18:54:10

136

He can hardly sue himself so it would appear that he can .It would be interesting to hear the legal eagles debating whether one can defame ones own character or person.No doubt they would all claim victory and want a pay out also!

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BK,

Cyberspace 30/08/2007 18:58:00

Sticking your nose in the snout seems to be the tradition in that part of the world. Is there not an MP at it there too?

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Rodin,

30/08/2007 19:02:00

Ho Humm... I note the Council's press release indicates that disciplnary action in relation to the redundancy payment will proceed no further. I hope this means that there are lots of other disciplinary actions pending, bringing the Council into direpute, conspiracy to defraud etc. Also, while the Council will not investigate that limited matter further, that does not mean the Police will not investigate the matter. I hope they will.
I'd like to congratulate the new Administration for their actions to date and encourage them to continue in their endeavours to improve local government in East Lothian. You have a massive task in front of you - cleaning the Augean Stables pales into insignificance compared with the job of cleaning up after 30+ years of arrogant one party rule in East Lothian.
Some questions for Dave Berry and his colleagues to consider and ask:

To Head of Personnel, Council Solicitor, Director of Finance and the Council's own Auditors - 1) Were you aware that no redundancy situation arose? 2) Did you point that out? 3) Why did you present/agree the report? 4) Do you agree that under these circumstances you have conspired to commit an illegal act, namely conspiracy to defraud? If yes to 1 and no to 2, you are corrupt! If no to 1, you are incometent! If no to 4 you are wholly irrational.

Michty Dave, don't bother, just pass it all over to the police and turn your attention to the corruption at the next level down. Keep going, you will succeed, the good people of East Lothian will thank you as will the good members of staff who have strived to provide decent services under extremely difficult circumstances. Get rid of the time servers, get rid of the nepotism, get rid of the cronyism - break eggs if not heads. Your administration has started well, please don't throw away the opportunity you have. Make East Lothian the paragon to which all Councils should aspire.

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Chris in East Lothian,

Scotland 30/08/2007 19:54:10

Fine sentiments, #139
echoed in the new administration's “Contract with the People” - the final sentence of which reads: “always remember that the residents pay our wages and that we work for them”.
I only hope they are serious and that they realise the size of the task.
Letting Lindsay resign (again) to get off the disciplinary hook, and leaving McCrorie as acting Chief Exec is not the best start, in my opinion.
When has any senior ELC official ever stopped to think who was paying their wages?

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morris,

Edinburgh 30/08/2007 20:18:23

119

Whilst I agree with you as regards the higher ranking sponges Michael ,was it really neccessary to insult our Porky friends, by comparing them to the likes of John Lindsay?

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 30/08/2007 22:10:11

GREED, PURE GREED!

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mr chips,

30/08/2007 22:19:38

I would like to wipe that fecken smile off his pus.

132

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/08/2007 22:36:32

136, Miss H. Am I allowed to say what? The truth? I hope so.

133

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/08/2007 22:38:35

someone said that man was not fit to eat with pigs. His party said he was.

134

Trade-wind,

USA 30/08/2007 22:46:16

I'd say a fair point to all of you! But wait.
If this was corruption, and it appears to be, then aren't the people who just left the man go without bringing charges against him doing something nearly as corrupt? This just sets the precedent for them to be let go when they do something similar before leaving office and abscounding with more of your tax payer funds.
Get out there and bring these people before you to explain their actions or you will be talking this same story a few years
hence. The time for action is now not later!

135

G. Miller,

Alpine CA 31/08/2007 00:42:47

Ah well. One less pig at the trough

136

Musselburgh Postie,

MUSSELBURGH 31/08/2007 03:09:38

This man and his financial director must face fraud charges.

There is no other reasonable way forward.

Police fraud squad get your finger out and do something in bothe East Lothian Council and also Edinburgh Council. Leaving it to their own buddies from the system to audit is not good enough

137

Allen,

Glasgow 31/08/2007 08:57:19

55k retirement pension- In Glasgow- of my 2k Council Tax 666 quid goes straight to the Council Pension Scheme.

You are all in the same boat- Ask your MSP to look into this GOLD EDGED PENSION SCHEME that you and I are paying for Criminals like this man-

Corruption from the top to the bottom- This man is being paid for being allowed to have his strings pulled by his political masters of the Past and now they want to vote in his Cronie from finance-

People of Edinburgh and Scotland- Get these parasites out and get your MSP to have a good look at this Pension Scheme.

138

cataibh,

Ach yurr seen it 31/08/2007 13:57:39

Synic # 151
Did the Wark kid not have a place on the committee who ' advised ' on the location and choice of Architect on that new building at the bottom of the royal mile?

139

Barto,

East Lothian 31/08/2007 17:18:29

The Lindsaygate Misnomer ((Lindsay-O’Brien-Murray-Innes-Ross-Gate)
My layman’s description would be a blatant conspiracy of greed to milk the public purse for all it’s worth. The word conspiracy is pivotal. Given the wavering lack of conviction and indecision Mr Lindsay exhibits in his behaviour, I do not believe for one moment that he was capable of asking or trying to engineer this settlement off his own bat.

It came about because of the incestuous and unhealthy connivance between the top executives and inner quorum of senior council members. The latter all stood to gain from it directly or indirectly, drawing in all the “favour” implications that would have ensued had the equally illegal ploy of the MJRC (Musselburgh Racecourse) public ELC funding (£11M) gone ahead, and the Lindsay-O’Brien-Murray-Ross-O’Donnell directorships been granted. That was an attempt to set themselves up for life with a business using public council tax payers money.

Fortunately that has also been stopped in its tracks. So although John Lindsay’s name has taken all the stick, it might equally be called the Lindsay-O’Brien-Murray- Innes-Ross-gate affair (and so on) to include all those who engineered, approved and vigorously defended Lindsay, long after the matter was in the public domain. The Don Corleone, the boss of all bosses at ELC for 30 years has been O'Brien. Always there for a photo-op opening sports centres, and never to be seen, found or named when some major project went down the tubes costing millions.

140

The Man Who Knows,

Republic of Perth 31/08/2007 21:26:40

153

Barto, you are talking rot.

141

Wee Scot,

Alberta,Canada 31/08/2007 22:55:16

Ye Gods,Lads and Lassies, Find me a Honest Politician, it just doesnt pay enough to be honest, Dose It?


 

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