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Published Date:
31 August 2007
THE battle to save 22 closure-threatened schools in Edinburgh has reached Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister.
Furious parents have inundated the Downing Street website in protest against the proposals.

Hundreds of individuals have already signed petitions to save schools such as Wester Hailes Education Centre, Drummond Community High and Dalmeny Primary
- which face the axe as Edinburgh City Council struggles to deal with falling rolls.

More than 800 had also backed e-petitions on the Prime Minister's website by last night, with more adding their names every hour.

This latest move came as it emerged that the local authority does not have the power to close more than one-quarter of the schools on its proposed hitlist.

Of the 22 schools under threat, two can only be closed with the blessing of the Catholic church, and four are operating at more than 80 per cent capacity. That forces the council to refer a final decision to Fiona Hyslop, the education secretary at Holyrood.

Meanwhile, members of the city's Liberal Democrat and SNP coalition were booed by parents last night during a heated public meeting at Abbeyhill Primary.

The school is currently operating at close to full capacity.

Charles Dundas, a Liberal Democrat councillor, admitted that "if there is any justice in the world" his colleagues at the City Chambers would agree to save the school.

David Beckett, a SNP councillor and vice-convener of children and families, stressed that the plans were subject to an ongoing consultation period.

He said: "There has been nothing definitely decided. We want to hear your views."

But one Abbeyhill father, Paul Kelbie, told him: "I have voted for the SNP for 20 years but if this was closer to the year 2011, I would be voting against you."

• Pupils at Bonnington Primary in Leith were due to "strike" outside the school's gates this morning in protest against the closure plans.

Parents from other affected schools also vowed to join the youngsters at the gates in support.



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1

Zibi,

Drummond Community High School 31/08/2007 01:13:57

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/drummond/

382 and counting... keep it up folks!

2

Zibi,

Drummond Community High School 31/08/2007 01:40:45

You can petition to stop the closure of your local school at the following links;

Drummond CHS http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/drummond/

Dalmeny Primary http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Dalmeny/

WHEC http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/westerhailesec/

Abbeyhill Primary http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Abbeyhill/

Castlebrae http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Castlebrae/

Bonnington Primary http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/bonningtonschool/

Westburn Primary http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveWestburn/

St Cuthberts primary http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/St-Cuthberts/

Drumbrae Primary http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveDrumbrae/

Cameron House Nursery http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveCHNS/

Westfield Court Nursery http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/savewestfldcourt/

Craigentinny Primary http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Craigentinny/

All schools http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/schoolcloseure/

There are a few establishments which do not have an e-petition yet, ie Grassmarket Nursery School, High School Yards Nursery School, Princess Elizabeth Nursery School, Victoria Park

3

Guga II,

Rockall 31/08/2007 02:18:00

What's it got to do with Broon?

4

The Daleks,

31/08/2007 03:33:46

#3

Just what I was thinking.

5

Norbert Dentressangle,

31/08/2007 06:43:19

Mayhap the SNP should have left Labour to stay in power in Edinburgh and watched as they stewed in their own mess, after all it was Labour who selected these schools for closure.

6

Zibi,

Drummond Community High School 31/08/2007 06:46:13

3. Guga II
4. The Daleks

Any petition will ultimately be directed to the council. Unfortunately the council do not operate an online e-petition service. The only organisations which do are Westminster and the Scottish Parliament. Scottish Parliament e-petitions take some weeks to set up, while Westminster e-petitions can be done in 24hours.
Ultimately, a Westminster e-petition on the issue of school closures in Edinburgh isn't of interest to Gordon Brown, but it can be shown to edinburgh cooncillers to show the level of opposition to the cuts.
Most people would accept is as a demonstration of feeling on an issue.

7

Boy Wonder,

31/08/2007 06:49:45

Spot on #5 Benthehoose! Now it's time for the knee-jerks to stop and let clear thinking take over. Yes, there will be a few closures, but surely not as many as being considered.

I believe in Bingham in Edinburgh, both the primary school AND the community centre are marked for closure. Why?? Is the community not large enough to sustain a community centre even?

Seems to me, there's still a lack of joined up thinking going on!!!

Come on you hoity-toity, robe-wearing, expense-fiddling councillors ... pull the finger out and rethink this now. It is a priority as far as the voter (yes, us unworthy hoi polloi) is concerned!!!

8

davydee,

Edinburgh 31/08/2007 06:53:03

Send your kids to the nearest school in some cases thats the problem regarding my daughter it goes like this I stay 2 minutes from Leith academy but our catchment is Drummond now my neice who's catchment is Leith Academy stays at Portobello just at(Sir Harry Lauder Road) we enquired when our first daughter went to high school about this and was told due to the boundaries and Leith Academy being Re-Built we were told that
The catchment for my daughter was the correct one But the rebuilt school was even closer to us needless to say that Drummond has proved a good choice though as my Daughter is progressing well both socially&and academically as did her sister before that

9

Zibi,

Drummond Community High School 31/08/2007 06:56:14

6. Norbert Dentressangle


I think that Labour had shortlisted 6 schools/ nurseries for potential closure. I'm not saying that the Labour cooncillors aren't partly responsible for this mess, they clearly are, but ultimately the responsibility for the proposed closures lies with the new cooncil regime. It was they who added another 16 establishments to the "beauty contest."
I don't think the new regime considered how important education is to the electorate, much more important than most things and on a par with health care.
The nats and liberals are new to this and a bit naive, but even they must realise by now that they've made a terrible mistake and should back out now before their credibility is permanently damaged.

10

Edward,

31/08/2007 07:48:45

#5 Benthehoose
It should also be recognised by parents that many of the schools take pupils from outside their catchment area, which means that parents are being selective.

11

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 31/08/2007 07:56:40

It's been nine and some people still haven't cottoned on the fact that education is devolved.

What exactly is Gordon Brown going to do?

12

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 31/08/2007 07:56:56

sorry - nine years

13

Edward,

31/08/2007 08:14:11

#12 Nick_Byrne
Your right there, I think there are some true colours being shown by the 'parents'

14

howyoudoingboy;,

31/08/2007 08:20:15

Can any of the S.N.P Drones explain why they consider contacting the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Tanatamount to an act of treachery.

15

Edward,

31/08/2007 08:27:01

#15 howyoudoingboy
Your obviously a bit thick
Im no SNP supporter, but we all know that education is devolved and comes under the Scottish Government, or is that a bit to obvious for you

16

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 31/08/2007 08:43:36

#16 Erm....read the article, he's asking why the parents contacted the PM.

Okay, he did it in an overtly anti SNP way but the question remains why contact the PM?

17

Calum10,

31/08/2007 08:58:21

Education is a devolved matter, so the petition to Gazza Broon is just a political stunt.

Edinburgh parents now know they are being taking for a ride by the Labour party, the same Labour party that caused all this financial mess in the first place.

The Labour party brought chaos to the civic chambers, now it thinks it is perfectly acceptable to bring chaos to the classroom - and it being explicitly supported in this by the Edinburgh Evening News.

Public opinion is turning though. People do now realise that cuts have to be made, jobs will have to go, projects will have to be shelved, council property including schools will have to be sold off to developers.

Over the next few Edinburgh will have to pay a high price for voting Labour in the past. That's a lesson that no one will forget.

18

art1000,

Dunfermline 31/08/2007 09:09:55

I agree totally this a London Labour stunt. They caused the disaster in the first place.

Calum - can they not start taking the axe to organisations like TIE first though? Isn't it Edinburgh thats funding all this Labour quangocracy?

19

Märiö äntoinette,

31/08/2007 09:20:06

This comes at the same time as we hear of scottish drug deaths increasing. To me , you dont close down sports facilities and community centres and education facilities at these times.

20

Edward,

31/08/2007 09:53:05

#21 Märiö äntoinette
So an increase in drugs related deaths is also down to either the Edinburgh City Council or the SNP Government?

21

Alex Aitken,

Leith 31/08/2007 10:02:59

We have started a website for bonnington parents to keep in touch.

http://www.save-bonnington-primary.co.uk

The official bonnington epetition can be found on the main page. This is a content management web site so once registered you can add your own news, event and views.

22

howyoudoingboy;,

31/08/2007 10:20:45

#16#17

Still didn't answer why contacting the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is seen by yourselves(S.N.P Drones) As being disloyal.

I'm not suggesting they are Disregarding the Constitutional niceties. What is the 'Crime' to discuss with the Prime Minister any Issues Devolved or not....

You two show the Extreme and unacceptable face of S.N.P Nationalism. Attempting to Browbeat other Scots who do not conform to S.N.P Dogma.

Although you do reveal the 'Nasty' underbelly of the S.N.P supporters to all of Scotland and for that "I must thank you".

23

Calum10,

31/08/2007 10:28:05

A petition to Gazza Broon, no more than a political stunt, and the Edinburgh Evening News supporting pupil strikes to sell more newspapers shows that the save-the-schools campaign is being side-tracked down an empty cul-de-sac of Labour spin and mercenary journalism.

It is difficult to believe that parents have allowed this to happen. They have already lost the support of teachers and they now risk losing public support as well.

24

IronicMaiden,

Meadowbank 31/08/2007 10:39:43

The reason why I set up a petition to the Prime Minister and the reason I have signed for a number of the other school's petitions is the same reason I am posting here.
I am DESPERATE to be heard. I have no faith in the councillors we voted in, last night's meeting at Abbeyhill confirmed my fears that the don't have a scooby what they're doing.
I will shout from the rooftops about how unfair and badly thought out the whole plan is. I don't know what else to do until the councillors agree to hear our side of the story in November.

25

Calum10,

31/08/2007 10:43:11

When Labour controlled Fife Council embarked on it's PFI school building programme in 2001 it received the support of one Fife's MPs, namely Gordon Brown.

When as result of this PFI programme older and smaller schools were closed and merged it received the unqualified support of one of Fife's MPs, namely Gordon Brown.

When parents in Fife campaigned to save these schools one of Fife's MPs refused to comment, that was Gordon Brown.

The petition to Gazza Broon is no more than a political stunt.

26

Suz E,

Victoria School Parent - Newhaven 31/08/2007 11:25:35

Here is the Link to the Victoria School Petition - Please save the oldest working school in Edinburgh.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/VictoriaSchool/

We have also written to Gordon Brown - you may as well start at the top!

27

Alex S,

Edinburgh 31/08/2007 11:50:12

Many of Edinburgh’s school children are facing the prospect of losing their schools, their social identities and perhaps also their friends. That’s right, the hearts of our communities are about to be ripped out and Jenny Dawe wants to shop for clothes and I’m fairly certain that she isn’t thinking in terms of Clan House either! These schools are used by young and old for a variety of activities and have historically always been the focal point in their individual areas. If shattering the lives of the children who attend these schools is not bad enough, there are many more experienced members of our communities who have mobility problems and may end up being socially isolated if their local school were to close. Surely the council is not going to expect them also to travel up-to five miles so that they can meet their friends in a social setting? Attendance figures are not valid and do not take into account the peripheral utility of these schools, their value to the communities they serve or the effects that the increased pressure would have on the receiving schools.

Please sign this petition; http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/savedrumbrae/ and any other you can find.

Thanks for your support.

28

Frantic Chanter,

craigentinny 31/08/2007 12:01:41

Please sign the online petition.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/craigentinny/

29

Very Concerned Parent & Ex Drumbrae Primary Pupil.,

Edinburgh 31/08/2007 12:37:38

I'm a little disappointed to see that the hecklers are beginning to crawl out of the woodwork. This is however a democracy, despite what our out of control council appears to think, and you are of course entitled to your various opinions carefully considered or otherwise. I would on this occasion ask that you take a second look at what is currently happening and if you find that your only reason to oppose us is that you feel that our battle is futile, please support us anyway.

30

Alex S,

Edinburgh 31/08/2007 12:59:57

Thanks to Zibi at Drummond Community High School for taking the time to list the other ongoing ePetitions.

I would like to add;

Please sign ALL of these ePetitions!

Please do not abandon or disregard existing paper petitions, we need them ALL!

Please share info on planned events as we need show solidarity and combine our efforts.

31

Miss Jean Brodie,

31/08/2007 13:09:05

It doesn’t matter to Labour - the less educated people are - the more they vote for them !

32

John.,

31/08/2007 14:02:03

The City receives funding to provide services to 402,000 residents. We have 458,000 residents.

Do you see the problem folks ?

The Council has 2 options :-

1. Cut the level of service offered

2. Impose a massive hike in Council tax

Which would you prefer ?

Central Government can of course step in and fill the funding gap although I bet that the petitioner never thought of that !!!!!!!!!

33

Senga Jean,

Scotland 31/08/2007 14:11:03

Political stunts and minefields are Labours stock in trade. ~27...#27 Brown could sort it but does not listen. I hope everyone knows that what has commenced is a consultation process. Most people I have spoken to believe the Labour stunts. Do you really think that in Edinburgh the LibDems and their junior partners in the SNP wish these closures take place if their legacy from Labour's wasted years had not forced their consideration.

34

Zibi,

Leith 31/08/2007 14:32:23

Finally, and at last!
The Scottish Parliament has got it's finger out and set up the e-petition!
They would only allow a petition if it was within their spere of influence, so this calls for the Executive to reject any plans to close down schools who's capacity is above 80%.

http://epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/view_petition.as...

35

Zibi,

Leith 31/08/2007 14:39:36
36

FiBop,

Edin 31/08/2007 14:51:29

#3 and #4

Exactly !!!! What the hell has Gordon Brown got to do with Scottish affairs!!!! This is a Scottish parliment issue for us to sort out without influence from our neighbours down south!!!!

37

just,

31/08/2007 15:04:24

#38 et. al
as has already been said repeatedly- it takes time to set up an epetition for the Scottish parliament- naturally that was the 1st port of call...but it took until today to get the petition approved- in the meantime enough people have signed the Westminster petitions for it to make the papers (see above!)- which is exactly the point- to raise the profile and to increase publicity.

the persence of the westminster petitions meant that people could be pointed to that URL to show that there was popular opposition to the move- yes even the council and the scottish parliament have access to the web these days- so even though it is not on their site- they can see it!

plus it was off enough intersest to westminster for 2 edinburgh MPs to ahev signed it!


anyway, now that there is a petition for the scottish parliamentand you can express your concerns to teh correct develoved body, I assume you will all be queuing up to sign it- you know where it is- what ya waiting for?

38

Zibi,

31/08/2007 17:13:52

39. just

Thank you... you are an angel :-)

http://epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/view_petition.as...

39

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 21:50:55

2. Zibi, Drummond

You forgot Stockbridge

40

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:02:09

5. Benthehoose

"religous concerns, but that is the only criteria "

I think you will find very few parents that would agree with that, quality of education is the primary concern of almost every parent ON EARTH (wrt education).

"If they are unhappy with the nearest School get involved to make it better"

BE serious that logic suggest that consumers (which is what parents) are should never vote with their feet ever. What do you do is a garage rips you off or a restaurant gives you food poisoning keep going back, all the while complaining so they can "improve themselves.

Of course you don't and yet as parents we are EXPECTED to do this with the most precious item in our lives.

"But hopefully she will tell parents that there is area restrictions for each School intake"

Why would you "hope" for that?

41

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:06:33

8. Boy Wonder

Benthehouse was spot on exactly how?

I also think that no matter how "few" schools end up closing the aggravation and concern this council chose to inflict upon a very large section of its population will (and should) be a problem for this council in the future.

42

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:11:59

11. Edward

So what of it?

Please expand upon your argument.

43

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:12:42

14. Edward

What do you mean by that?

44

Zibi,

Drummond CHS 31/08/2007 22:13:24

41. Non political
Sorry, it was 20 to 3 in the morning I made up the list.... I was starting to nod!
Yes, I noticed that Stockbridge hadn't set up a petition, but I believe it is one of the over 80% schools which will go to the Scottish Parliament for the final say. You can petition here!

http://epetitions.scottish.parliament.uk/view_petition.as...

45

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:13:56

16. Edward

You are right he is obviously not in your intellectual league.

46

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:17:13

18. Calum10

Less of a political stunt more like PR and pretty decent PR at that.

You are right "Public opinion is turning though" however it appears to be turning against the SNP.

47

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:25:13

20. Peter

Great long post , however its just like a lot of posts previous to this particular article.

The fact is this issue HERE is the making of our PRESENT council, should we stop lobbying them and expend our energy whining about labour instead?

They have to understand that stiking out at the most important thing in many peoples lives is the fast track to the opposition benches.

I think Zibi's aim is quite true.

48

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:28:38

25. Calum10

Isn't that just a repetition of your post 18.

Is that Drivel+Drivel or is that Drivel x Drivel?

49

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:29:42

26. IronicMaiden

Eloquent and true

50

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:32:04

27. Calum10

At least some intersting new facts however her approach to Gogs was still decent PR.

51

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:35:40

34. John

Again I see still need to work on the maths.

EDinburgh isn't short by £120 million

52

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:47:52

35. Senga Jean

I keep hearing how we have all been manipulated by labour into an anti SNP frenzy.

The fact is we haven't, this is a genuine, grass roots anti SNP frenzy, they did this and we are quite annoyed with them.

They screwed us.

53

Non political,

Stockbridge Primary, Full & Good 31/08/2007 22:50:13

46. Zibi

Thanks for that, I hope we get one soon.

54

AyrshireScot,

01/09/2007 20:41:42

#24 Howyoubleatinboy - you mention "SNP drones" then say "expose the nasty underbelly". You are vaguely amusing, but this is a serious issue about children's education and communities, can you not get back to the cartoon page or the pull-out lifestyle supplement blogs? Good to see the SNP re-thinking on this. It is certainly an inherited situation from previous Labour council re deficit, but I hope the SNP councillors do not squander goodwill by accpeting the plans put forward at face value without exhausting every option to keep, from my brief readings and looking at the websites, what seem to be some good schools open.


 

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