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Published Date: 19 February 2009
ANDY Robinson has doused enthusiasm for Italian clubs entering the Magners League, insisting that it could damage the tournament.
The Magners League chairman John Hussey met with Giancarlo Dondi, the Italian federation president, in Rome on Saturday, and both emerged from the talks confident that a decision to welcome two Italian teams – possibly representing regions around Rome and Treviso – to join Edinburgh and Glasgow, and the four sides each from Ireland and Wales, in the 2010-11 season, could be ratified by the end of March.

However, Robinson, preparing his team for a return to league action away to Munster on Saturday, made it clear it was a move he would not welcome. He said: "My concerns about the Italians entering is the cost of travelling, the supporters coming to games and the amount of fixtures getting added. I think a ten-team league is the right structure to have – that's the key point for me.

"We have a gem of a tournament here. We have nine teams that can win the Magners League this year; Cardiff are ninth but if they get on a run they can win it. The (English] Premiership would be crying out for something like that – the interest we have there.

"Plus, you have the development of your players and time you can rest them in order that they are able to play international rugby. You are not spending the autumn Test window playing through it (likely if the Italians join]. We lose our players three times out of 18 matches, and that's good because you can play your best team nearly every time.

"You bring more teams in and you have to find more Saturdays or Wednesdays to play the game, and put more pressure on your squads. I think the Magners League is a young tournament, a young league; give it time to grow. You have Wales and Ireland at the top of the table in the Six Nations; we have four teams in the Heineken Cup (quarter-finals] so there must be something right about the league."

Ever since Italy were accepted into the RBS Six Nations in 2000, a move championed by Dondi, the Italian federation has been pushing for entry into a recognised European league in order to improve the quality of its players and keep more in Italy to grow the sport. They are understood to have sourced attractive broadcasting packages that would ensure more money for all the competing teams, but Robinson insisted that the move should not be considered for at least three years.

"Let's get behind the league and support its development, sure," he added, "but as soon as you start adding teams you start weakening the heart because there are not enough weeks in the year to be able to do it.

"I understand the importance of finance, but there has also got to be quality. I think there has been real quality in the Magners League this year, so why disrupt it? In three or four years' time then let's see how it has moved forward, but at the moment I think we have a really strong league so let's keep working at developing it. It can get better."

Robinson named a team for this weekend missing a handful of its internationalists, some being rested for the visit of Italy to Murrayfield in the Six Nations and others nursing injuries. He stated that neither Geoff Cross nor Simon Webster, the Scotland players who suffered concussion in the championship opener with Wales earlier this month, could be considered, but said that Cross may return to training next week.

Ryan Grant, a 23-year-old prop who left the Royal Signals Corp to pursue his rugby career, initially with the Borders and now Edinburgh, makes his first start for the club on the tighthead side, while experienced internationalist Allister Hogg leads the team determined to help Edinburgh claim the scalp of Munster and let that do the talking when it comes to winning a place back in the Scotland squad.

Mark Robertson also returns to the wing, after recovering from a groin operation, while Alan MacDonald, the openside flanker, is back from a head knock. With Phil Godman and Mike Blair being rested for the Six Nations, the half-back pairing of Greig Laidlaw and David Blair that scored 11 points on its last trip to Musgrave Park in Cork, remains at the helm with Nick De Luca, Ben Cairns and Chris Paterson grasping the opportunity to prove their Test credentials with three games remaining in the Six Nations.

As well as Cross, the Edinburgh pack is missing Allan Jacobsen, Ross Ford, Gavin Kerr, Jim Hamilton, Matt Mustchin, Fraser McKenzie, Steven Turnbull, Ross Rennie and Dave Callam, while Scott Newlands misses out to the in-form Simon Cross at blindside flanker.

It makes for a tough trip over the Irish Sea, but, underlining what is becoming a stronger capital squad, Scott MacLeod is poised to make his return to Scottish senior rugby after playing in the back-up matches against Crawshays Welsh and Leinster in recent weeks. The 29-year-old Scotland lock joined the club from the Scarlets last month and is named on the bench for Saturday night alongside another former Hawick player, Bruce McNeil, still to make his debut for Edinburgh.



FACT BOX

Edinburgh team Munster in the v Magners League at Musgrave Park, Cork on Saturday, live on Setanta Sports)

15 Chris Paterson .
14 Andrew Turnbull .
13 Ben Cairns .
12 Nick De Luca .
11 Mark Robertson .
10 David Blair .
9 Greig Laidlaw .
1 Kyle Traynor .
2 Andrew Kelly .
3 Ryan Grant .
4 Craig Hamilton .
5 Ben Gissing .
6 Simon Cross .
8 Allister Hogg (captain) .
7 Alan MacDonald .

Substitutes: Steve Lawrie, Bruce McNeil, Scott MacLeod, Scott Newlands, Ben Meyer, Jim Thompson, Roland Reid.


David Ferguson's Six Nations blog: And so the Italians...

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  • Last Updated: 18 February 2009 11:16 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh rugby
 
1

Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 19/02/2009 01:21:50
Sorry Andy i don't agree with you at all.

One of the favourite places for Scots to go in the 6 nations is to Rome and getting the opportunity to go there atleast once a year would be fantastic for the teams.

lets be frank, the Magners league is going to end up as a pan european league with teams from the Celtic nations, Italy, probably Romania and some of the other emerging European nations.

Eventually i would imagine that the braodcasting, television and advertising rights wil grealt outstrip that of the domestic leagues or England and France.

Long may the growth continue, there is absolutely no reason why this league should not griow to 14 teams, including a third Scottish pro side playing in Aberdeen (a la Super 14) Play every team once with a finals series at the end.

Heinken cup would be the champions league, Magners league would be like a through the year Uefa Cup/Atlantic league.
2

Aligator,

19/02/2009 01:35:13
Lets hope it stays as Paul in Oz says and that we dont have any turbulence from South Africa on this front.
3

Aligator,

19/02/2009 01:42:03
When something is working well you don't try to over expand it without of lots of good advice and clear public support - otherwise you kill the golden goose (that is way too important for Scotland).
4

Sgian Dubh,

19/02/2009 08:48:12
Why are we not allowed to comment on the England/Wales world cup bid?
5

Silent Assassin,

19/02/2009 08:55:32
Think Paul is right - expansion is inevitable, but doesn't need to mean more games. Expand to take in Italy, Romania, Georgia, Portugal (par example) and run 2 leagues of 10 teams. Top 4 in each play off, then a semi leading to a final, so max 3 more games.

It'd make the GP look a bit jaded, particularly when all the 'stars' nick off to play in France!
6

Animal82,

19/02/2009 09:13:48
Sgian Dubh - I agree. I wanted to comment. I dont think a joint bid would work, and that has been proven over the years. Besides, the SRU are always looking for a slice of the pie, and never delivering on crowds. it would be great if you could guarantee a sell out crowd at Murrayfield every time, but in reality with the team the way they are at the moment, that not going to happen.
7

MT,

19/02/2009 09:30:15
#4 because they know that everyone is going to comment about Gordon brown being a traitor to his country. He supports England while turning his back on his own country.unbeleivably sickening.
8

Sgian Dubh,

19/02/2009 09:41:19
#6Animal. I agree SRU can't deliver on any bid joint or otherwise regards hosting a world cup.

#7MT. That's the point I wanted to make. I just wanted someone else to make it as well! Sickening is the right word to use. I remember the faces of the England players as they shook hands with Brown after the world cup final and it looked like they'd rather be somewhere else and he was clearly wanting to kiss every one of them!! Hope he is at Twickenham for the game this season. If Scotland win it will wipe the smile off his face. If Scotland lose, he will smile his way through it and show just what a turn-coat he is to the Scottish public.
9

Sgian Dubh,

19/02/2009 09:45:47
Regards the Magners League.
I agree with Robinson. The league has to grow in it's present form, although hopefully with another one Scottish pro-team (at least one)
Then, when further teams are added, I would support the idea prompted by the Silent Assassin at 5 above of having two leagues of 10. Although Silent Assassin doesn't elaborate if this is just two leagues or two divisions, with a top 10 and a division 2.
10

Sun City,

19/02/2009 17:48:05
Robinson is speaking as an SRU employee :
- it will cost more to play in Italy
- Italian rugby would become stronger
- Scotland would get less Heineken cup places
- international standing would decline further
11

ThePeter,

Glasgae 19/02/2009 18:11:03
When u look at Scotland's teams historical results in the magners league, then maybe Wales and Ireland could use exactly the same logic for Scotland not being in the league as Robinson does.

I think for Scottish rugby and rugby overall to grow stronger (including the Italian national team), then Italian teams must be entered ASAP....
12

Buccaneer,

Stirling 20/02/2009 09:45:42
Agreed #10 - Andy is speaking for SRU, and I guess that the last thing they want is stronger Italian rugby. But it isn't logical to let Italy into the Six Nations on the one hand, and exclude them at club level on the other. And in the long term how can Italian rugby survive in the professional era without strengthening the domestic roots? It just isn't sustainable.

Sorry, Paul from Helensburgh, I don't think it means more trips to Rome, you're more likely to end up in the north of Italy. Still good food/wine though!


 

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