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Hughes accuses referee Brines of pursuing a personal 'witch-hunt'



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Published Date: 26 August 2008
JOHN Hughes, the Falkirk manager, has accused referee Iain Brines of conducting a witch-hunt against him and claims personal vendettas are also being pursued by other match officials towards his coaching colleagues Gus MacPherson and Craig Levein.
Currently serving a six-match SFA touchline ban, Hughes can anticipate further action from the organisation's general purposes committee when they note the startling comments he made yesterday at a media briefing.

Hughes was still smarting from
the controversial element of Falkirk's 3-0 defeat at Celtic on Saturday, when Brines wrongly attempted to eject him from his team's dressing room at half-time as the champions led by two goals, one of which struck the arm of captain Stephen McManus.

It was the latest in a series of contentious and high-profile decisions by referees and their assistants which have clouded the opening three weeks of the new SPL season.

Gus MacPherson, the St Mirren manager, was incensed on the opening weekend by a dubious match-winning penalty awarded to Celtic by referee Eddie Smith and claimed afterwards he was among managers singled out by the officials at their annual summer conference.

The following week, Dundee United were denied what appeared to be a blatant penalty kick against Celtic by referee Charlie Richmond, prompting their manager Craig Levein to question whether his previous public criticism of officials was seeing him being targeted for special treatment.

Hughes claims that is definitely the case and has called on regular social gatherings of managers and referees in an attempt to break down an impenetrable barrier he says is currently placed between the two.

"I think there's a witch-hunt against me," said Hughes.

"It's now something personal, and if it's personal we have to sit down and get it sorted out for the good of Scottish football.

"He (Brines] knows where I am. But I've not seen an apology or heard from him.

"I can roll with it and have a laugh about things, but what happened on Saturday is totally, totally out of order.

"I objected to him being the ref on Saturday when I found out he was in charge.

"I did that before the game because he had control of Celtic for half an hour the previous week and shouldn't be put in that position again.

"That's nothing against Iain as a ref, but then I'm very disappointed with what followed on Saturday.

" I'd take a call from him, I'd actually prefer to sit down with him. He has a problem with me and I don't know why that should be.

"I'm not against refs, but I'm the voice of Falkirk and when I feel we've been harshly treated I have to say it.

"I think we both have to come together. There has to be bonding sessions between managers and refs.

"We need to know them better. I know time is precious, but we have to try and come together on this one.

"Gus MacPherson went on record to say that his picture was on a screen at a ref's meeting. Guess who's picture was next up – mine.

"Mangers all talk to each other about this and we have our views. I appreciate that refs have a hard job, but there's no craic. There's no joke, you can't question a ref. It's just the way they go about it, they put barriers up.

"I think they single me out because I speak out. I think they single out Craig Levein and Gus MacPherson too because they speak out.

"It might be unfair of me to name them, but we all know that these guys have felt hard done by."

Hughes was left bemused by Brines' attempt to remove him from the dressing-room on Saturday, despite SFA regulations clearly stating a manager can be there with his team even during a suspension from the technical area.

"I was embarrassed for the officials," said Hughes. "They showed me no respect by pulling me out my dressing-room when I have a job to do. Iain Brines pulled me out for a situation that had nothing to do with the referee on the day.

"Even though I'm banned, I could go as far as sitting in the dug-out and that's still nothing to do with the ref. The ref is there to ref the game.

"I'd get in trouble for going to the dug-out, but I'd get in trouble with the SFA at a later date, not the ref at the time. Why he has seen fit to drag me from my dressing-room at half-time to try and do me for something that is outwith his control is beyond me and has upset me.

"I'm not having a go at anyone's integrity, but what he did on Saturday was below the belt. It was there for everyone to see.

"Celtic's first goal was very disappointing and if Iain Brines is not in a position to see it, then he should have been. Him and his linesman have made a right pig's ear of the first goal.

"Yet at half-time he wants to pull me in his office about something that he has no control over and is wrong about in any case. Why is he looking to get me? What's his problem?

"I had a fall out in the past with Dougie McDonald, but the two of us ended up doing a quiz together and we talked and laughed about things.

"I now have so much more respect for Dougie because I got to know the guy and the character.

"If I ever get Dougie in the future and he makes a mistake, I'll accept it because I know the guy. I'm big enough to say let's build bridges, let's make the game better.

"If I have something to say, I say it. I was brought up to be that way. I understand refs have a hard job and the game is getting quicker.

"But as my incident with Dougie McDonald showed, if we were able to meet up and bond a bit then things could improve.

"Have a couple of beers, have a golf day or whatever. I've so much more respect for Dougie having spent time with him and enjoyed a laugh.

"I can now see he too can have a laugh. We forgive and forget and come out the other side. I think getting to know them better gives both parties more respect for each other."





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  • Last Updated: 26 August 2008 12:09 AM
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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2008 00:21:18
Pretty serious allegations from the likeable Hughes. I can understand the frustrations of managers at decisions such as we saw on Saturday but I'm more inclined to put it down to incompetence than vendettas. Walter Smith, while he had a bit of a moan, dealt with Rangers' wrongly-disallowed goal at Pittodrie rather better than his less experienced colleagues.
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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2008 00:25:56
"why was weir not sent off on sunday for constantly assaulting Lee Miller?" (#3)

That's a new one. You bhoys really are quite inventive.
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 00:26:31
Not sure if this was the ideal setting for Yogi to let fly, but he is very exciteable and the press know that he's easy to wind up and get good copy from.

It seems that he's more wound up about the referee Brines ordering him out of the dressing room at Half Time, and if he is correct that he was entitled to be there, then clearly he has a reasonable grievance and the sfa should be slow to condemn.

I think he is due an apology for that from Brines; and he should be man enough to give it.

As for the McManus goal, I think Yogi has been over egging it. The ball came zipping in at pace towards the near post and a number of players ran forward to meet it...I don't think McManus even expected the ball to come through to him.

What was surprising was the fierce pace with which the ball left his arm...it zoomed into the net despite the goalie getting a hand to it, and the impression was that it had come off someone's head.

Brines was standing at the far post and could not possibly have seen what happened. Yogi can't criticise him for standing there....if he stood at the near post , something could have happened at the far post which he might have missed for the same reasons...whatever powers Brines might have, I'm sure Yogi does not think telepathy to be one of them.

The near side linesman had a ground level view, and with the ball going in so fast and the number of players going for it, I think it's a bit OTT to say that he ought to have seen what happened.

Tonight on sportscene, I thought Burley was going to throw up all over the studio floor as he tried to talk about McManus' goal...we all know where his allegiances lie, but he should make a bit of an effort to appear impartial.

The I was reminded of the basket ball bazza incident in last season's CIS. The laptops and sundry commentators all rallied around Ferguson's post match claim that his handling of the ball was inadvertant, that it was 'ball to hand', and that was an end of that.

I haven't
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 00:29:50
I haven't read or heard anyone in the Scottish media suggest that McManus' contact with the ball might have been equally inadvertant.
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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2008 00:31:58
"I was reminded of the basket ball bazza incident in last season's CIS" (#6)

Were you also reminded of the two unpunished Hearts handballs in their box that preceded it?

The McManus goal should not have stood. Even McManus's celebration seemed a little muted - perhaps he was a bit embarrassed. But I would agree that the referee was probably unsighted rather than involved in anything sinister such as a vendetta.

Caldwell must have been raging. It's usually his job to play basketball. ;0)
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26/08/2008 00:33:17
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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2008 00:35:19
#7,

I've seen the game, thanks. Plus some highlights.

Celtic happen to have had some vital refereeing mistakes go their way this season and one went against Rangers on Saturday too. Why not just face up to that rather than indulge in these desperate deflection attempts? I've no doubt Celtic will get some unlucky calls in due course. Then you'll have something real to moan about. :0)
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26/08/2008 00:37:49
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 00:40:09
BTW

Isn't Burley just about the most boring manager in history.

He really is an 'Alisdair' in a tank top down at the golf club with his gin and tonic and his mother-in-law.
No topic of conversation is too boring for him...in fact , the more boring the better.

It would have seemed more appropriate had he appeared on sportscene lying in his bed with striped pyjamas neatly buttoned, bathed in the yellow light of a bedside lamp.
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Scotland Uber Unionists,

26/08/2008 00:47:27
Celtc fans Ian Brines is a fair target for yogi just like celtc fan eddie smith is. When they cannot officiate a game fairly and without bias then nuetral guys like Hughes must speak out.

celtc, who's 6 players sent off against them in 6 home games on the bounce, a world record, appear to benefitting from their fans inTIMidation campaign.

A campaign thats seen the address, phone number and car registration plate of a referee posted on a celtc website. More worryingly the refs childrens school was also posted up which led to inTIMidation of his kids.

Of course it was juan ghuy and just a bit of craic, wasn't it?
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 00:48:11
Putting aside the inane rantings of the usual suspects for a moment....

Yogi is making a pretty serious allegation here, and it needs to be addressed quickly.

- is there a vendetta against certain managers?
- is the problem due to vindicitive, or just poor quality, refereeing?



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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 00:50:39
I have no concerns about Dougie McDonald...my expectation is that he'll call it as he sees it, and there is a low probability of mcurryesque outrage arising.

Still, we don't know who the linesmen will be ...Mike Mcurry and Andy Davis ?
Chic Young as the fourth official ?
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26/08/2008 01:01:45
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 01:02:19
23 - Putting 'skins' and 'E's' in the same sentence.

Is this subliminal promotion of drug use?

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26/08/2008 01:04:33
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Scotland Uber Unionists,

26/08/2008 01:08:06
It's easy to see what's really going on. Celtc fans are inTIMidating referees and most shamefully, their families. This is fact. The evidence was there on that forum and the refs kids were abused. This one made the headlines but there have been others that have not as the ref concerned asked for it to be kept quiet.

Scotlands secret shame. Celtc fans inTIMidating referees children to make sure refs give them the decisions. No football fan has ever gone lower.
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 01:08:39
31 - I think we should try to slip in some subliminal drug references wherever possible.

Don't think I'll sign up for the prediction league - if you have ever seen how bad my predictions are you would see why. I'll be the Falkirk of the prediction league...

We could make a joint effort - that would be the acid test.
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 01:16:17
36

We have to weed out referees that make a hash of things.
They need to get up to speed with the way the game is developing, and keep in touch with the grass roots.
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 01:25:35
40 - Wellessdee cide on this later.

I'm off for a P...;-)
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 01:27:37
41 - Fonzie, aka, Nearly, aka Eeddaaaay.

You can change your name as often as you like, but you still cannae spell worth a shi-ite.

It's indictment. I know it looks wrong, but trust me, it's correct.

In future, try www.dictionary.com.

Hope that helps.
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 01:37:28
Big Jan not ruled out yet.

But even if he is, Maloney and Big Sami will have Weir and Bougherra bumping into each other.

And Big Broadfoot...he's a bag o' nerves when he comes up against McGeady...this time it'll be McGEADY one minute, Naka the next as they switch flanks.

Papac will just be hoping that we concentrate down big broadfeet's side and give him the perfect alibi.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 01:42:47
Here is the link to the BBC Sport Predictor:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/predictor/

I have set-up a minileague for all posters on here willing to join.

It’s just a bit of fun and it starts with next weekend’s SPL fixtures.

All you need to do is go to the link and create your own membership. Try and make your user id as close to the one you use on here, so we all know who you are.

NB. If you are already registered and have points on the board, please re-register with a slightly different user id for this minileague, so that everyone starts on ZERO points.

Once you’re in, select “My Minileagues” and enter . . .

The Scotsman Forum

. . . as the minileague name.

The password is . . .

thescotsman

Once you have joined the minileague, you can start making your predictions. You get 1 point for a correct result and 3 points for a correct score. After each set of fixtures you can check the minileague table to see where you are and who is on top etc.

Enjoy it. It’s just a bit of fun.
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 01:44:01
50

Mibees the morra...probably will aye.
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 01:45:31
I'm all in as the bishop said to the actress.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 01:45:36
THE SCOTSMAN FORUM MINILEAGUE

I have had to remove the following members from the Predictor minileague:

cailean
Deviskan
GreenhitthebluenoseNZ
herefordhearts
jamboben98

This is because you joined with the same user id you have been using since the start of the season and already have points on the board.

So that we can all start on ZERO points and a level playing field, please re-register under a new user id, which is what I did. I was originally regeistered as HarlemTam, but for The Scotsman minileague, I am Harlem_Tam, so as you can see, your new user id can be only slightly different.

I apologise for removing you guys, but the thing won't work if people go in with a head start.

Thanks
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26/08/2008 01:50:35
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Helter Skelter,

26/08/2008 01:51:35
It's an old firm match, and it's well nigh impossible to predict the outcome.

All we can say is that the champions are at home and are starting to show top form.

The players got a boost from maloney's arrival, and we go into this one with a lot of confidence.

Normally, Id be worried about Loovens going into the fray in his second game, but he has that scandinavian coolness and he looks comfortable ...if Caldwell is out, I'm unconcerned about Loovens coming straight into this one.
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 01:53:49
57 - Hey Fonzie

Acerbic. Well done. Told you the website would help.

But, heeeeeyyy - you da Fonz!
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 01:56:36
58 Helter Skelter

Loovens has that Scandinavian coolness about him does he?

What part of Scandanavia is the Netherlands in?

Did the Vikings get further North than we thought?
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Fayneant,

26/08/2008 01:56:58
Helter Skelter that's a belter!!!
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 26/08/2008 02:00:15
Well said Yogi Hughes. I know Craig Levein has had a lot of support privately, but it's critical that other non-OF managers speak out publicly with a common voice.

There is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that some managers/clubs are being singled out for "special treatment". In Dundee United's case, that goes as far back as the Jim McLean years. The brothers at lodge S.F.A. couldn't stand him either, and he ultimately walked away from assisting Jock Stein because of his disgust with S.F.A. corruption.

Show Old Firm Bias the Red Card!
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 02:00:54
thepundit / bto

The guys with points on the minileague weren't trying to cheat. I have been registered since the start of the season and when I setup the Scotsman minileague, I realised my points counted there too. So I removed the minileague and re-registered with a slightly different name and started from scratch.

So it's an easy mistake to make.
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 02:01:04
63 - Fonzie - perhaps he was thinking of the environment. It's a very important issue.

I'm pleased to see Celtic fans got on the 'green'bandwagon early - I mean, it's very responsible of them to only drink out of paper bags....
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Teary Ennui,

26/08/2008 02:04:21
"Did the Vikings get further North than we thought?" (#60)

The Vikings started pretty far north. :0)
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 02:18:23
72 - Oops! Caught me.

Was too quick to come back on that one.
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Encephalon,

26/08/2008 04:02:01
I had thought Celtic were really going to miss Khenny Clark this season but no-Brines, Smith and Richmond have stepped up to the plate-three weeks and three controversial decisions favouring Celtic-penalties sending offs and they are now allowed to punch the ball in the net!

They cheated their way to the title last season with the help of the bhoys at the SPL and it looks as if the powers that be are pulling out all the stops again this season.

The SPL is the most corrupt league in Europe-we all know it -even the Italians cleaned up their league-the SPL is the only league where referees are allowed to ref matches involving teams they openly support-unfortunately the Gers have only the Reverend in our corner.

And what is this about refs having photos of Hughes, Levein and Macpherson-how sinister is that-and why the need - FFS there are only 12 teams/managers in the league-how dumb must the refs be???
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 05:03:23
Encephalon - "And what is this about refs having photos of Hughes, Levein and Macpherson-how sinister is that-and why the need - FFS there are only 12 teams/managers in the league-how dumb must the refs be???"

Why am I not surprised that an imbecile like you actually believes that garbage?
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 05:07:48
There have been lots and lots of dodgy refereeing decisions made over the years, usually to the benefit of Rangers. Is it any coincidence that now that a few bad decisions have gone Celtic's way, the media and their Ibrox pals are in meltdown? Of course it's not. They will never forgive Celtic for playing superbly to clinch the SPL from under the noses of Rangers last season.

They are now putting undue pressure on the referees to turn the screw on Celtic this season. But here's the rub - we're far too good this season. Nothing - not even Rangers/Media/SFA cheating and dirty tricks - will stop us making it 4-in-a-row.
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 05:22:52
91 - You forgot to finish with an evil cackle....
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Encephalon,

26/08/2008 05:25:00
#90 You people really cannot handle the truth-in case you cannot read the joined-up writing:

"Gus MacPherson went on record to say that his picture was on a screen at a ref's meeting. Guess who's picture was next up – mine."


Notice you don't comment on the fact that 8 of Celtic's last 11 matches have now involved major decisions that have favoured them and which had a significant bearing on the result. Smith, Conroy, Brines and Richmond are all known Celtic fans -and is it just coincidence that Rangers have been scheduled to play Aberdeen away and Celtic away in between what should have been CL qualifiers!

Your club and Liewell are a disgrace -last season you plumbed new depths even by your own standards by taking advantage of the tragic death of a young player to reschedule matches-however the blatant cheating and corruption that is currently taking place must be obvious even to the blinkered and intellectually challenged among your support.

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Ursus arctos horribilis,

City of Angels 26/08/2008 06:00:41
#91 "lots and lots" -what a truly quaint expression-takes me back-rather like millions and trillions -by any chance did you eat a lot of smarties or jelly tots when you were a child?

And this one is a peach "a few bad decisions have gone Celtic's way"

Try 8 out of the last 11 matches!
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 06:25:05
Dear oh dear. Now I'm using "quaint expressions". Where will it all end?

The media and Gers fans were up in arms (another quaint expression perhaps?) last season when Diamond's goal was disallowed. But they conveniently ignored the Samaras goal before that which was erroneously (a quaint word?) disallowed.

Where is the cotroversy following the Hamilton hand-ball goal v Dundee United? Oh that's right. It's only a controversy if it benefits Celtic.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 06:27:08
8 out the last 11 matches?

A fact?

Utter rubbish.

Ibrox paranoia reigns supreme.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 06:36:33
Encephalon:

"Gus MacPherson went on record to say that his picture was on a screen at a ref's meeting. Guess who's picture was next up – mine."

Gus McPherson also said the referee was winking at him.

The referee comittee came out and said there were no manager's faces displayed at said meeting. It was all a load of keech.

Trust you to swallow it.

Just read the words of Higdon of Falkirk.

He claims Brines "must be a Celtic fan" then goes on to say he deliberately bad-mouthed the referee for the rest of the game and the fact that he didn't book him showed what a bad referee he is. Just read those words FFS. If he was a Celtic fan, why DIDN'T he book Higdon for dissent?

Scottish Football is becoming a laughing stock because EVERY game Celtic play, they are analysing EVERY little throw-in or free-kick or corner that goes Celtic's way. EVERY Celtic goal is subject to rewinds and action replays to see if they can find something to say it shouldn't have stood.

It's pathetic. EVERY team, including Hamilton, get decisions going their way in error, but they are not subject to the same controversy that follows every Celtic victory.

It'll get even worse next season as we go for 5-in-a-row.

Scottish Football is a joke and a laughing stock. The sooner Celtic move to the EPL the better. Then you can all enjoy your parochial little bunfest in your bigotted little backwater.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 06:39:59
BTO - I'm in a little town called Deepwater in northern New South Wales, Australia.

Where are you mate?
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 06:40:01
100 - HT. Is it any wonder Sellick fans get accused of being paranoid? Just listen to yourself man.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 06:40:44
#101 - At last. Some sense from a Gers man.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 06:41:46
Fayneant - Celtic fans paranoid? Just read the Rangers comments above man.
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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 26/08/2008 06:43:26
94 Encephalon

The ongoing willingness of you and others to bring up the death of Phil O'Donnel and use it as a stick to beat Celtic with shows you up as being a low life cretin. Is it any wonder Rangers fans are held in such low esteem worldwide.
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 06:44:21
105 - HT Celtic fans are paranoid. Everyone IS out to get Rangers...;-)
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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 26/08/2008 06:44:45
Fayneant for paranioa please see post 94. Its all in there.
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Fayneant,

NZ 26/08/2008 06:46:20
109 - Big Stevie, don't tar all Rangers with the same brush as Encephalon...
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Big Stevie,

Sydneyside 26/08/2008 06:58:43
Fayneant and BTO- I know there are Rangers fans who find the views expressed by Encephalon repugnant and I apologise if I appeared to tar others with the same brush.

I find it deeply disturbing that there are still people like him among us who genuinely think that players, coaches, managers and directors would lie and pretend to be upset over the death of a young footballer in order to get something as trivial as a football match cancelled.

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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 07:05:05
BTO - I met an Aussie lass who was on a working holiday in Edinburgh. She is now my wife and she comes from farming stock and we run a sheep station about 2k out of Deepwater. Yes it's a great life, but bloody cold in the winter. It's better now but the last month or so has been cold at night and early morning.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 07:10:19
LOL.

Yes but she's married too.

Nae luck mate.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 07:14:11
BTO - About 10k to the east is a little hamlet called Rangers Valley.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 07:23:48
I haven't done them yet. Will leave it till nearer the weekend.

I got 3 correct scores at the weekend - Celtic 3-0, Likkie 1-0 and Aberdeen 1-1 - which elevated me to the top of my other minileague which involves a few friends and family back in Scotland.

I fancy 3-1 to Celtic right now, but will leave it till Friday probably.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 07:24:30
For Likkie read Killie. Think I'm becoming dyslexic.
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Harlem Tam,

26/08/2008 07:27:24
BTO - What are you doing in Tokyo? Is it permanent? How'd you end up there?
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Encephalon,

26/08/2008 08:11:28
#100 We agree on one thing Scottish football is a joke but you moving to The EPL-you wish-you would be murdered-on and off-anyway surely Eircom would be more to your taste.


#106 Regrettable though the O'Donnell tragedy was -and I can understand why you would be ashamed and attempt to try to deny it -always the Celtic way -deny and deflect-the fact is that to their eternal shame Liewell and Celtic DID use it in a most disgraceful manner-you know it and the whole world knows it!

#114 BTO not a drunk-well not habitually-I imagine you would have to be a confirmed tee-totaller -the type who really supports a diddy team but has Rangers as his "big team" and probably proudly carries a “man-bag” around as a fashion accessory-go on please tell me that I am wrong!
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Lets face it the Old Firm have got away with murder for years.I think its put down to football run from Glasgow for Glasgows big two.I hope this rebellion from the rest of the pack is followed through to the bitter end.
You can say what want about Romanv but it takes someone to come in from the outside and spot it staight of.The compliance of the press over the years who know which side there bread is buttered on still make no comment of any worth is a joke also.
What the Old Firm fans should see is that any victorys in cup or league titles is devalued in the eyes of evryone else.
The unwashed have all the money and they want the refs as well our league is a joke but there is hope all the matches are taped, now some jurno can do a proper survey look into the dark corners.If not they deserve all the bananas and nuts in the press room.
JT for life.
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The only people using the Phil O'Donnell tragedy for their own means are pond life like you trying to score petty points against your rival fans on a football forum.

Depraived doesnt even begin to cover it.

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Loading the dice? From a Rangers fan I find that absolutelt priceless.
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Back to the John Hughes article...I think "Yogi" is right. I think this is personal and I think Gus McPherson is up against it also.
As a Hearts fan, I get so frustrated when the pundits keep harping on that there's no bias, and we need t.v. technology to help them out.
If we ever get round to use that system, then I hope is is an assist to weed out the "incompetents" or those who have personal grudges.
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26/08/2008 09:52:33
George Burly couldn't conceal his horror about the McManus goal on sportscene last night.

His looked as though he was going to throw up , and complained that the nearside linesman would have been able to see that the ball struck McManus' arm.

But , this isn't the sort of chat that we heard when McURRY was running riot for his boyhood heroes last season.

No, no, no ....Scotland's football establishment figures were rushing to his defence, pouring scorn on anyone who dared to suggest that it could have been anything other than 'honest mistake'.

Some even hinted that the sfa would fund Mcurry's legal expenses in a defamation action ...so everybody just shut the f. up! Right !?*!!

Fast forward to this season, and, ladies and gentlemen,after just three matches, three different referees are being savaged in the laptoployalist press, scottish television media AND even our blue-nosed Scotland manager throwing in his tuppenceworth
to cast doubt on the integrity of officials...because , you see, it's Celtic, an' that's no' right.

Until Burly opens himself up to questioning about the Barry Robson fit-up last season, to my mind, he is in no position at all to question anyone's integrity.
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26/08/2008 09:58:31
Referees should 100% be given the right to watch video replays of incidents.

In the current lap top loyal led "refs under the microscope" campaign, the ref on Saturday should have been able to check with a monitor to be sure in his decision. In that regard, the goal should have stood.

However,what the lap top loyal are missing is that, if he had taken a look at the foul which led to ReaRangers opening goal, he would have retracted the decision.

Therefore, on the basis of the argument that the lap tops are making, de beastly's goal would have been an equaliser and the 1-1 score would have been the same.

Funny that there is no discussion on that by the Raging Ranger Syndrome sufferers amongst our media.

Ditto - the ref may not have given the penalty he did in the St.Mirren game, but should have given one when the keeper pulled down JVoH...again no mention.

Ditto - the ref may have given Celtic the foul that they were due in the lead up to the "penalty" Dundee UTd are claiming.

None of these FACTS meet with the agenda though.

As Shankly said -"why let the truth get in the way of a good story"
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26/08/2008 10:16:18
Big Yogie went down in a lot of Mighty Celtic Mens estimation with his comment "I can handle defeat as long as its fair and square"

If ever a team was beaten fairly and squarley it was his Falkirk team on Saturday.

If your team is gonny be royally pumped, hanging on to the one decision which went against you really makes you look petty.

Why not just accept that Celtic played some wonderful 1 touch football and could have easily scored 3/4 more goals in the game.

"aye but the first goal shouldny have stood" when you are on the end of a doing doesn't do you any credit Yogi!
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26/08/2008 10:26:11
Ninny - yes...now shut yer pie hole and let the grown ups speak
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Encephalon,

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"I think that your comments are set out to deliberately upset people."

Moi-you jest-surely not-how perceptive Sherlock??

Isn't that the point -just because I dont believe in rolling over and trying to play bestest mates with some of the deluded ones on these forums.

Certain things need to be said and a dignified silence can no longer be maintained -rest assured if the boot was on the other foot there would be a severe kicking administered PDQ-eg recall the hounding of McCurry at the end of last season?

#140 so Yogi is also attracting the ire of the GFITW-add him to Zander Diamond and those at St Mirren who had the temerity to voice their concern over recent refereeing decisions involving the hoops.

Why should the rest of the league even bother if Brines, Smith, Conroy, Richmond and the rest of the bhoys are going to gift Celtic the league.
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It seems clear that the sellik minded ummah has dropped all pretence and is now both able and willing to flaunt its interest and to flout the rules....
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Jambo Dave,

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140/You dont get it do you?Thats the whole point of this the soapdodgers have better players they have all the dosh they need to win most weeks in the SPL to keep you all happy but still the incompetent refS give the O.F.the benefit of the doubt in most cases.
Thats what this is all about,as Vlad has said its not the people its the culture that needs to change.That includes the press and T.V. punters who find easy to dismiss it all as thats the way its always been.Lets get the V.T. tapes and sort it out.
The bottom line is our refs are either bent,cowards ,weak minded or incompetent they can let us know which but it must be one.Nobody will get all the things right but the key thing is the big ones which win and lose matches.
My dad rest his had soul had a joke about the Gers fan going home and telling his wife it was a 0-0 draw and she says who missed the penalty!! Say no more.
JT till I die.
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26/08/2008 11:24:45
Ninny - i think you'll find that Celtic had 2 perfectly good goals on Saturday which Raging Ranger Syndrome sufferers could not deny. Adding that to Falkirks zip means that the victory itsef was not influenced by the referee.

You guys are buying Walters Mantra for this season too easily.

Last season, again with the daily ReaRanger in tow, the mantra of "its ok to fail cos yer tired" let ReaRangers off with the mother and father of blow ups.

This season, having been pumped out of Europe at the first hurdle and sold your best player he has re-hashed this as "its OK to fail cos the ref makes mistakes"

Yes they do...the ReaRangers foul for their goal on Saturday emphasises this. But rather than deal with the overall performance (which was RANK)...he trots out the mantra..."its OK to fail cos the ref makes mistakes"

Hook....line....sinker......
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26/08/2008 12:09:53
It's very satisfying to the rearrangerz fans getting themselves into a lather about perceived injustices on the field.

This all started to creep in towards the end of lastseason, as the prospect of three in a row began to loom large and bottles started crashing down ibrox way.

4 in a row is now staring them in the face, or 7 from 9, and the conspiracy illusion is spreading fast.

Walter has spent a fairly staggering £17m this summer...Minty is at full stretch financially, and there's a quite horrific balance sheet already in the post , though it will not arrive until June next year.

Minty is ' all in '. This really is it. If the Champions triumph again, there will be no money next summer for rearrangerz to strengthen, several players will be transfer listed, and, if the spl champs again get direct entry to the CL, a gap will open up between Celtic and Rearrangerz which will never be bridged unless a sugar daddy pops up with tens of millions to invest in the playing staff...that ain't gonna happen.

So, I see this season as potentially the most defining one in terms of the history of Celtic and Rearrangerz...for Minty , it really is sh*t or bust this year.
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They are starting to appear now.

Must just be getting out of their beds.

Take it easy though, they will all have blistering hangovers.
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26/08/2008 12:47:20
Who was the ref in Kaunas ?

Who was resposonsible for the mighty rearrangerz humiliating exit at the hands of what HAD BEEN consider