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Published Date: 06 June 2009
By David Maddox


THE British National Party won its first seats on English county councils yesterday, including a landmark victory in Lancashire, where Labour's 20-year rule ended.

The far-right party took the Padiham and Burnley West ward, its principal stronghold in the north-west, where it already has four district councillors.

The BNP's victory, with 30 per cent of the vote, buoyed local activists' hopes of getting party leader Nick Griffin elected as an MEP.

He needs around 8 per cent of the vote to take a north-west seat, against the 6.4 per cent he polled in 2004.

The party scored a shock result in Leicestershire, winning a county council seat in Coalville. The BNP also picked up a seat at Hertfordshire County Council.

Deirdre Gates beat competition from the three main parties to secure the South Oxhey Ward in the Three Rivers district. She took 783 votes, beating Labour's Nena Spellen by just 27 votes.

The BNP's three victories came despite the efforts of the main parties and anti-racism groups to persuade voters not to back the party.

Kitty Ussher, Labour MP for Burnley, said: "It is disappointing. We have lost some really good county councillors who have worked very hard to serve their community."



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  • Last Updated: 06 June 2009 12:59 AM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Far Right in the UK
 
1

urchin,

06/06/2009 00:55:27
There you go Mosley resurected.This is the problem with a disgruntled public the extremes rise.Who in their right mind would have voted for such an affront to human decency.
2

common sense voice,

06/06/2009 06:34:32
a little stong number 1... please take a trip to Bradford or the old industrial places near Manchester, I'm very sure the BNP will have quite a lot of votes in future
3

urchin,

06/06/2009 07:30:25
Im sorry if it offends,however you reap what you sow as they say.

And it is the result of colinization,you cant always take and give nothing back.For note, my kids are of two cultures.And no matter how the B.N.P.paint themselves if find them offensive to me and my family.
4

donald,

glasgow 06/06/2009 07:38:45
Mosely was Liebore MP. It is Liebore's fault that the BNP is on the rise, claiming "British Jobs for British Workers".
5

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 06/06/2009 09:05:09
That's what you get when the liberal elite think it's OK to subject the indigenous working class to ethnic cleansing.
6

Dougie - Edinburgh,

06/06/2009 09:27:48
urchin
Mass immigration in Britain has got little to do with the British Empire. Germany never had an empire in Turkey yet now hosts millions of Turks. Sweden, Norway, Denmark never had colonial posessions further than Greenland yet they now host millions of Africans and Muslims. Belgium didn't have colonies in North Africa or the Middle East yet it now has the highest percentage of Muslims of any country in Western Europe. What it comes down to is that any nation unwilling or unable to defend itself will get overrun and that's how history has always been.
7

mr broon,

Edinburgh 06/06/2009 09:42:37
A minority of frustrated voters, and the usual bampots, on this occasion may have voted for the BNP but the vast majority of the English Electorate are far too steeped in democratic traditions to be taken in by this fag end of Empire racist party.
8

Allan(handofgod137),

06/06/2009 11:00:59
#6 How true, also, when looking at the "Britain's most wanted" list as published by other papers I couldn't help but notice that the majority were not actually British.
9

urchin,

06/06/2009 11:12:07
Dougie,no matter how the B.N.P. GUILD THE LILLY,they are a racist orginisation.If you fear the Muslim,Jew,Catholic, Anglican,only god fearing whites is our Alma-Mater, jobs for our people ,homes for our people, who are these coming over here and getting better treatment than us,SIEG HEIL.probably got the spellin of that wrong,but heh does it deserve diction.
10

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 06/06/2009 11:51:58
If someone wants to live and work in Scotland, pay their bills, abide by the laws of the land, then as far as I'm concerned they can be called a Scot too.

The problem comes when a minority seeks to change laws backed by the PC brigade who tells us we mustn't protest against such a minority view because we are racist, bigots, homophobic, etc, etc, etc.

A minority has every right to express it's views, but the majority also has the right to express it's views back at them without being called racists, bigots, homophobes, etc, etc.

The majority has rights too.
11

urchin,

06/06/2009 12:20:19
Off course the majority have the right.But the B/N/P/ are a political party of long standing and they to have the right to their beliefs.Yet choose to disguise them under some blanket of national pride,and their views are not conducive to a better society.
12

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 06/06/2009 12:56:01
#11
What I said applies to ALL views, including the BNP's, Muslims, Christians, Jews, homosexuals, etc, etc.

Any minority group has the right to express it's views (even the Labour Party), but they do not have the right to try and enforce it's views by intimidation or violence.

Unfortunately the PC Brigade has prevented the views of the majority being expressed sometimes, simply by labelling those that oppose the minority view expressed as racists, bigots, homophobes or whatever.

In allowing minority views to express themselves, do not prevent the majority from expressing their views back.

Neither must be allowed to intimidate the other or use violence.

It anyone wants to introduce Sharia law in the UK - get a majority.
If you want a Nazi Party to govern the country - get a majority.
13

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 17:30:28
12
For Scotlands Future

"...the PC Brigade..."

It is quite impossible to take anybody seriously who, for want of a reasoned argument, resorts to such empty clichés.
14

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 17:38:09
8
Allan(handofgod137)

"...when looking at the "Britain's most wanted" list as published by other papers I couldn't help but notice that the majority were not actually British."

I have seen numerous versions of this list lately and none of them mentioned nationalities. I suspect what you mean really mean is that many of them are not white.

Racists are dumb. They can't help giving themselves away.
15

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 17:53:43
6
Dougie - Edinburgh

"What it comes down to is that any nation unwilling or unable to defend itself will get overrun and that's how history has always been."

That has to take the prize for the most shallow-minded analysis ever. Migration is driven almost entirely by economic factors. It's simple supply and demand. Immigrants don't come to your country just to upset the local xenophobes. They come because the economy requires them. If any significant number of them went home tomorrow, the economies of most European countries would be crippled.
16

Dunnyveg,

06/06/2009 20:19:09
Electric Hermit:

Regarding your remarks to Dougie: First, immigration, not migration, is driven almost entirely by economic factors. Migration includes those fleeing from political and religious persecution and colonists.

It is also the case that immigrants didn't come in the huge numbers being seen now until after WWII--after Britain's eclipse as a world economic power. Britain's best years economically were those with relatively little immigration. Germany and Japan both became great powers with little or no immigration. The US also won WWII, and became the uncontested economic power of the world, with little immigration (it was cut off in 1924 and didn't resume until 1965)

One thing you are correct on is that immigration is largely a matter of supply and demand. And the larger supply of workers means lower wages for working-class Brits. I just don't understand why you would advocate policies that impoverish Brits who work hard and play by the rules.

A racist is one who hates other groups. And you're certainly no racist. But PC types who want to drive their fellow Brits into destitution don't hate other groups; they hate their own kind.

Only the sickest animals turn on their own kind. It sounds to me as if you need serious professional help.

17

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 20:59:01
16
Dunnyveg

"I just don't understand why you would advocate policies that impoverish Brits who work hard and play by the rules."

The evidence indicates that this may the .least part of your incomprehension. And your sick imagination is playing tricks on you. I advocated no policies. I merely pointed out that your pal is enough of a gullible fool to have swallowed the racists' vile creed hook, line and sinker.

"Only the sickest animals turn on their own kind. It sounds to me as if you need serious professional help."

I'm not the one turning on my fellow human beings. To whatever extent you are able, you may want to think about that.
18

Dunnyveg,

06/06/2009 21:22:38
Electric Hermit:


"I'm not the one turning on my fellow human beings. To whatever extent you are able, you may want to think about that."

I made a point of noting that you don't turn on all of your fellow human beings, just your own kind. It sounds to me as if you'd completely dispossess your fellow countrymen with immigrants if you could.

"I advocated no policies."

I can't understand why you'd defend Britain's immigration policies if you're not pro-immigration. If I am wrong, and you're not for open borders, then why don't you join me in opposing further immigration?
19

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 21:40:55
18
Dunnyveg

"It sounds to me as if you'd completely dispossess your fellow countrymen with immigrants if you could."

I cannot be answerable for what the shrill voices in your head tell you.

"...why don't you join me in opposing further immigration?"

Because I'm particular about the company I keep.
20

Dunnyveg,

06/06/2009 21:51:06
Electric Hermit:

I cannot be answerable for what the shrill voices in your head tell you.

Because I'm particular about the company I keep.

Being nasty and stuck up is the most graceless way of admitting you've lost the debate; it means you don't have an argument.

If you can come up with some thoughtful arguments, I'll be fascinated. In the meantime, have a nice evening.
21

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 22:03:38
20
Dunnyveg

"...admitting you've lost the debate..."

What debate? I f someone doesn't join in your chorus of hate against "Johnny Foreigner" you launch into some manic rant about them being traitors. Is that your idea of "debate".

I am neither pro- nor ant-immigration. Immigration, like emigration, is a fact of life. As with all matters of importance, I take a rational approach - leaving it to the likes of you to get all frothy-mouthed about it.

Immigration is a management problem. That is all. Like any management problem, it cannot be effectively addressed until it has been effectively assessed. The moronic ranting of racists and xenophobes is an obstacle to reasoned discussion. You and your kind are part of the problem.
22

Dunnyveg,

06/06/2009 22:16:40
Electric Hermit:

"hate "Johnny Foreigner" "manic rant" "frothy mouthed" "moronic" "racists" "xenophobes" "your kind"

Can you make an argument without using the kind of language you employed above? The above is not only childish, it sounds pretty hateful to me.

Does the BNP use similar language toward immigrants? Why do you think the BNP is hateful toward immigrants? Convince me you're right.
23

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 22:32:32
22
Dunnyveg

"The above is not only childish, it sounds pretty hateful to me."

Quit whining. It's pathetic.

"Does the BNP use similar language toward immigrants?"

That and worse. Oh! Not in their "official" statements, of course. Like every extremist organisation they try very hard to conceal their true hateful nature. Extremists don't get elected.

It took the BNP/NF and its neo-Nazi fore-runners a long time to realise this. (In general, they are not very bright or they wouldn't believe some of the nonsense they mistake for science.) But you only have to scratch the surface to find the suppurating filth that lurks behind the façade.

I've heard your thug friends talking when they thought they were among their own despicable kind. What they say would make any decent human being vomit.

You may be fooling enough people to win the odd council seat. But you aren't fooling me. And the more electoral success you have, the more the spotlight will be turned on you. You can't stand that kind of scrutiny. That, among many other reasons - such as the basic decency of most human beings - is why the BNP/NF is doomed to fail.
24

Dunnyveg,

06/06/2009 22:43:04
"That and worse. Oh! Not in their "official" statements, of course. Like every extremist organisation they try very hard to conceal their true hateful nature. Extremists don't get elected."

Then where do they use such awful language? If you have specifics, then why don't you take it to the authorities. I understand saying such things about minorities will result in incarceration. I would hope you're not engaging in McCarthyite scare tactics.

"It took the BNP/NF and its neo-Nazi fore-runners a long time to realise this. (In general, they are not very bright or they wouldn't believe some of the nonsense they mistake for science.) But you only have to scratch the surface to find the suppurating filth that lurks behind the façade."

You use the past tense in linking the BNP with neo-Nazis. If you are going to hold the BNP's past against it, shouldn't the same be done with current communist parties? After all, the Maoists and Marxist-Leninist types killed a hundred million innocent people.

"I've heard your thug friends talking when they thought they were among their own despicable kind. What they say would make any decent human being vomit."

Exactly what did you hear them say that could be worse than the language you've used here tonight?
25

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 22:56:47
24
Dunnyveg

"Then where do they use such awful language?"

I already told you. Try reading the posts.

"If you have specifics, then why don't you take it to the authorities."

Did I say that a crime had been committed?

"I would hope you're not engaging in McCarthyite scare tactics."

Like you and your chinless chums ranting about the "threat" posed by immigrants?

"You use the past tense in linking the BNP with neo-Nazis."

No I didn't. I take it English is not your first language.

"...shouldn't the same be done with current communist parties?"

Smokescreen! We're talking about the BNP?NF brand of extremist scum here. Try to stay focused.

"Exactly what did you hear them say that could be worse than the language you've used here tonight?"

I hope you have enough sense left to feel silly for having posted such blatant foolishness. The stuff your thug pals were coming out with could not be published here. What I have said self-evidently could. Duh!
26

Dunnyveg,

06/06/2009 23:13:31
Electric Hermit:

Let's say you're right and some BNP supporters do use very disrespectful language toward immigrants and minorities. That doesn't mean all of them are that way.

I know for a fact that all BNP supporters aren't that way. I'm actually a Texan who is friends with a British BNP member. He has stayed at my house, and I found him to be the consummate gentleman. He is well educated, and I've never known him to make a disrespectful utterance toward anyone. Nor have I ever known him to wish ill on anyone.

Does this mean all BNP members are gentlemen? No. But it sounds to me as if you're trying to smear all BNP members by linking them with the actions of their worst few.

Why aren't you willing to judge BNP members as individuals? I'd bet that you would think it wrong to hold the actions of a few bad minorities against all minorities, yet that's exactly what you seem to be doing with the BNP.

One thing you didn't do is deny you hate your own kind. Now I know why.
27

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 23:21:23
26
Dunnyveg

"Why aren't you willing to judge BNP members as individuals?"

Happy to do so. Never met one I didn't despise. And the BNP/NF is not an individual. It purports to be a political party. To suggest that it can be judged on the same basis as an individual is plainly nonsensical.

"One thing you didn't do is deny you hate your own kind."

I did respond to this drivel. But obviously my response went way over your pointy hood. My "own kind" is the human race. And I leave the "hate" to fanatics such as yourself.
28

Dunnyveg,

06/06/2009 23:36:41
"Happy to do so. Never met one I didn't despise. And the BNP/NF is not an individual. It purports to be a political party. To suggest that it can be judged on the same basis as an individual is plainly nonsensical."

I afforded you every opportunity to explain why you hate the BNP so much. Your response was that they say very bad things in private. You haven't produced anything that can be substantiated. If you had, then I would be agreeing with you.

I think the BNP's cardinal sin in the eyes of the PC types is that they believe Britain should be for the British. And I applaud them for that. Britain is not only my ancestral homeland, but it is a treasure to the world. The question is why you feel otherwise.

It must be awful to carry around so much hate. I hope you get the help you need.
29

Electric Hermit,

06/06/2009 23:54:11
28
Dunnyveg

"I afforded you every opportunity to explain why you hate the BNP so much."

I didn't say I "hate" the BNP. I don't use such terms. I utterly reject their whole political philosophy, based as it is on racism, xenophobia, elitism and the promotion of social division.

You wouldn't be agreeing with me because you espouse this philosophy.

"I think the BNP's cardinal sin in the eyes of the PC types is that they believe Britain should be for the British."

I don't know what a "PC type" is. Sounds like one of those bogeymen made up by sad cases who wallow in a sense of persecution and victimhood.

I am not British. Neither am I susceptible to your puerile jingoism.

"It must be awful to carry around so much hate."

I'll have to take your word for that as I have no personal experience.
30

urchin,

07/06/2009 02:33:38
Dunnyveg-to answer your question on proof go to (Undercover with the B.N.P.)you will have to use Google, it has a you tube video.If you want proof its there.
31

urchin,

07/06/2009 02:49:53
Electric Hermit-My initial comment on this was due to being gob smacked that the possibility of the B.N.P.being in Westminster.However your defense of your argument i applaud,and no doubt Dunnyveg, will have me labled as one of the P.C. brigade if only he knew.

Yet if he chooses to check out my previous post or anyother persons interested in the TRUTH that is the belief of the B.N.P.maybe it will be informative in a pro or anti stance.
32

Dunnyveg,

07/06/2009 03:21:50
Urchin, I took your advice. Granted, a bit of the language was intemperate, but I didn't hear anything as extreme as the invective your comrade so casually spewed out.

Most of what I heard on there sounded like they were legitimate claims. I don't blame Brits for not wanting to be second-class citizens and a minority in their own country. Since I couldn't fathom you wishing the same on any non-white people, it's only further proof that PC leftists hate their own kind. It would never occur to the PC crowd that native Brits might have some legitimate grievances. I can't think of anything more dehumanizing.

I know exactly what PC leftists are about. I also want to say I hope your comrade "debates" with others just the way he did with me. I want everybody to know what the PC leftists are about.
33

urchin,

07/06/2009 06:47:07
Dunnyveg-Two points. 1.I do not belong to any political party.2.I do not belong to any so called P.C.brigade.

The B.N.P.aka The National Front,are a party who exclude non whites from becoming a member of their exclusive club.

Their policies are racist and divisive, and they leech off a public who see their rights being eroded in favoure of would be outsiders.Does their policies exclude those of non white origin, who have been born and bread in Britain and who have been here for generations.I would say yes, for the B.N.P. are fundamentalist and as bigoted as your fundamentalist Islamic terrorist.So in both they share a common mantra that of the bigot.

Those who crib about the P.C.brigade, i have found them in most, to be conservative in their outlook and politic.
34

Electric Hermit,

07/06/2009 09:48:44
31
urchin

"My initial comment on this was due to being gob smacked that the possibility of the B.N.P.being in Westminster."

For the reasons I set out earlier, I don't see any such possibility. Electoral success is the BNP/NF's downfall. People will vote for such fringe lunatics in order to shake up the system. But as soon as it looks as if these hate-fuelled thugs might actually gain some political power, everybody will back off.

"...no doubt Dunnyveg, will have me labled as one of the P.C. brigade..."

Reason enough not to take the sad fool seriously. These far-right reactionaries need simplistic labels to help them remember who they are supposed to hate.
35

Calum Crubag,

07/06/2009 10:30:44
Bnp - English nazi party - are scum. More brownhelmets than brownshirts though.

How exactly will sending home foreigers make Scotland a better place? Will they close down IKEA? That's foreign and goes against our tradition of small town centres. What a bunch of morons. If anyone doubts the nazi beliefs of the bnp, then one or two simple Google searches will bring up photos of the 'heterosexual' founder John Tyndall poing in full Nazi uniform. The current fuhrer and posh-boy Griffith wears a 'white power' t-shirt. Man, what a bunch of cretins.

Even Mebyon Kernow got as many councillors and they only stood in Cornwall!
36

Calum Crubag,

07/06/2009 10:33:08
#32- yeah, my grandfather was so PC and leftist he fought a war against these nazi fckrs. Hitler so loved his own people, he massacred millions of them - and not only Jews. Get a grip bozo.
37

Dunnyveg,

08/06/2009 00:40:58
Urchin, I've heard that the BNP doesn't allow non-whites in. How many non-white groups are there in Britain that don't allow whites? How many white Christians are allowed into the Muslim groups? How about the black police and professional organizations? Yet this doesn't seem to bother the PC types at all. The only rational explanation for your incredible array of double standards against whites is that PC types hate them.

I'm not a member of any political party either. Nor would I label myself a conservative. In the past the left has done many good things. But not the PC types. They are far more radical than even the most blood-thirsty Marxist Leninists.

I'm also still willing to consider any compelling arguments you have against the BNP. The fact is that you just haven't been able to produce much. I wouldn't condemn you under such flimsy evidence, nor will I condemn them.

PC isn't a party; it has been adopted by all the parties save the BNP. And that's the reason the PC crowd is so up in arms about their successes, even though they are modest.

The standard PC view is that whites are cursed with the original sin of oppressing virtuous non-white groups. And victims, such as Matthew Shepard and Martin Luther King suffered and died for the sins of the white race. But there is redemption, but only for the politically correct. They have to show they are morally superior to other whites by espousing all manner of anti-white policies. Of course, PC demands human sacrifices from time to time for whites who are insufficiently penitent for PC transgressions. Bridgette Bardot, Don Imus, Howard Cosell, and Thatcher's daughter come to mind. But there are many more. The PC god is a bloodthirsty god.

And, finally any white who refuses to go along is persecuted, hounded, called vile names, etc. As there are no arguments to support PC insanity, this is all the PC devout can do. PC types are notoriously intolerant; to disagree with them is reason
38

Dunnyveg,

08/06/2009 01:08:37
Go ahead and call me vile names. It shows you don't have any arguments, and that anybody who dares disagree with you is evil. Truth is no defense when it comes to the silly, but dangerous, superstition that is PC.

I want the world to see you people for what you are. I'd bet you can get away with cursing me if you employ asterisks judiciously. How many insults do you think you have to use to win an argument?

You condemn and insult native Britons as irredeemably evil, and I will praise them for building one of the world's finest civilizations. You will tell them that they must give away their country to anybody who wants to live in Britain top atone for past PC transgressions; I will tell them that Britain should be for the British. We'll see whose morality Brits accept.
39

Starance,

Ayrshire 22/06/2009 15:32:11
Calum Crubag #35 - "Will they close down IKEA?" - "If anyone doubts the nazi beliefs of the bnp, then one or two simple Google searches"


Calum, the day I believe everything the News, or corrupt organisation's and politicians say, is the day I no longer have an independent view, my own view.

Yes, the BNP has a lot of support from extremist groups that share similar beliefs. Yes the BNP have had headcases join their party. Yes the BNP have had history.

But... don't tell me that Labour, or any other of the elite political parties do not have it's association with terrorist groups such as the IRA!

Do I support the BNP? Yes, I do! I support there right to voice their concerns, and considering a large number of the electorate voted for them, they have a DEMOCRATIC right! Now, If you want to oppose that, and support such fascist groups like UAF or Searchlight, then you will be a fascist and hypocrite yourself.

You see... those anti-fascists, are nothing more than hypocrites, and in my view, are the real fascists.

 

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