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Published Date: 13 April 2007
By LOUISE GRAY
THE FIRST party political broadcast by the British National Party specifically aimed at Scotland will be aired tonight, prompting fears of an increase in racist attacks.
The far right party are entitled to slots on both STV and BBC because they are putting up enough candidates for the Scottish elections.

However, anti-fascist campaigners hit out at the decision, which comes just days after an asylum seeker and her baby son were attacked in Glasgow.

An anti-BNP rally attended by politicians and backed by Chris Geddes of Scots band Belle and Sebastian and author Iain Banks was held in Glasgow yesterday.

Donna Guthrie, national campaigner for organisers Unite Against Fascism, said further protests will be held outside the BBC today.

She said: "We are appalled that the BNP has a platform paid for by the licence payer. It is a terrible thing for the people of Scotland as racist attacks become more common when the BNP targets an area."

But Kenny Smith of the BNP, said the party were entitled to put their message across.



The full article contains 183 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Jimmyczz,

Glasgow 12/04/2007 23:31:58

The major error is the qualifications for being a candidate.
Anbody who is not a registered voter in Scotland should NOT be allowed to stand for election in OUR elections. They have imported candidates from English constituencies to get the number of candidates required.

There is no room in Scotland for these sort of people.

LETS SEND THEM HOMEWARD TO THINK AGAIN.

2

INTER-nationalist,

12/04/2007 23:39:55

By all means send them homewards to think again. But where will you send the racist Scottish Enterprise Party? Is there room in Scotland for them? Given that I have yet to see a single criticism of the SEP from any SNP supporter, it would appear so. SEP supporters post on here regularly advocating a 1st vote for them and a constituency vote for the SNP. Is that why they're not being attacked?

Is it a case of 'no thanks, we don't want your English racists, we're quite happy with our homegrown ones?'

3

Boy Wonder,

12/04/2007 23:53:59

Actually we don't want ANY racists in Scotland!!!!

4

INTER-nationalist,

13/04/2007 00:12:00

I welcome your comments Boy Wonder. I shall have a look in the morning to see how many SNP supporters have finally done the decent thing and disowned the racist SEP.

One would make a good start.

5

Darryl Matheson,

Elgin, Morayshire 13/04/2007 00:19:00

#1

Of course excluding English people from standing for election in Scotland would not be racist at all, you are just as bad as they are.

6

Jimmyczz,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 00:22:40

#7
You really are a Numpty.

being a registered voter in Scotland is not dependent on your nationality, colour or creed.

Please crawl back under your stone.

7

harrykim,

Sydney 13/04/2007 00:24:16

The Australian system may be worth looking at - a candidate has to live in the constituency concerned.

8

Cincinnatus,

The Capital 13/04/2007 00:26:09

You unionists numpties are really scraping the barrel here, no one likes the BNP and just because there is one letter difference, doesn't make them similar.

In terms of the SEP, no one knows about them, so why disown what you don't know about. It's all a bit McArthyite tosh!

9

Freeman Stand,

13/04/2007 00:32:47

With independence for Scotland, the BritishNP would not be standing for election here any more and we'd finally be rid of these racist idiots.

10

Rob Roy,

Portlethen Aberdeenshire 13/04/2007 01:08:43

BNP get out of Scotland now. Take your filthy evil message with you.

Everyone is welcome in Scotland!!

11

Cincinnatus,

The Capital 13/04/2007 01:13:03

AM2 You wish. The BNP bathe themselves in the Union and Union Jack - more akin to your views from what I've read, so don't go casting aspersions on the integrity of others intentions.

12

somerferg,

Oz 13/04/2007 01:47:12

#16 spot on - that particular poster is well known for his verbal diahorrea.

13

Paul,

13/04/2007 02:07:08

Most of us hate what the BNP stands for but democracy is about freedom of expression and letting everyone have an opportunity to put their views - even if the BNP have exploitd the rules to allow them to do so.

When we actually hear what they have to say most folk will see how ridiculous they really are. Banning any registered party from being allowed to express their views sets a dangerous precedent.

14

Olympic Pole Vaultaire,

on approach 13/04/2007 03:02:01

Hear, Hear, Paul.

The majority of Scotland has minimal atatched ethnicity in comparison to areas south of the border, so why would anyone support the BNP? I do not believe that banning the BNP would prove to be substantially beneficial. They can humiliate themselves more by trying to persuade people to vote for them. And I would expect not many would.

15

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 03:08:37

The BNP are as irrelevant as the British imperialist unionism that they represent.

There is now a very clear dividing line between those parties based in Scotland who support the aspirations of the Scottish people and those who prefer to be ruled by London and want to stop our people from even having a say on independence.

If the Scottish parties win the election then the Liberal Democrats (who will do anything for power anyway) opinions will be irrelevant. We can win a referendum on independence and we will if we get the chance to have a vote on it.

www.scottishindependence.com

16

Guga,

Rockall 13/04/2007 04:05:48

#9 harrykim. That is definitely the best idea, i.e. adopting the Australian system whereby a candidate has to actually live in the constituency. It is something that should have been adopted in this country a long time ago.

There is, of course, nothing racist in that idea, despite what the likes of the Jelly Man and the failed politician (AM) might try to say.

As for the imperialist and unionist BNP, they are an irrelevance in Scotland, and, despite having television slots, most, if not all of them, will lose their deposits.

17

James,

Dundee 13/04/2007 05:54:32

#9 I would like to take it further and ALL those funded/paid by the public purse should liive in the area they are employed by.
Local accountability is a powerful tool.

The BNP are irrelevant in Scotland and should be ingnored.
Yet again Inter-nationalist feebly tries to link the SNP to racism, and Chairman Gordon seems slow on the uptake - have you beenfollowing the polls?

18

Dod fae Orkney,

In the hoose 13/04/2007 06:00:03

The BNP are a total irrelevence. Don't give them the oxygen of publicity. Ridicule would be more appropriate!
Vote SNP

19

Alan Reid,

Wellington 13/04/2007 06:12:45

BNP - Tories they're just the same.

20

williamx,

Delta 13/04/2007 06:40:36

Funny, in Canada a person standing for a constituency has to live in the constituency. I guess the current system in Scotland was established by the Scottish elite many years ago for their own advantage. Perhaps the next government might get around to fixing this by developing similar criteria to the Canadian / Australian systems. Otherwise the muslim brotherhood may select local muslims to stand for the various parties and order the other muslims to buy party memberships in order ensure the muslim candidate is nominated to represent the Labour party, SNP, LibDems or whatever. Whats next-Sharia law?

21

Cadgers,

Perth 13/04/2007 06:49:54

Let them all lose their deposits.
#9 Good idea.

22

Mallory,

13/04/2007 06:49:58

I don't think that some Scots need to hide behind the BNP to exhibit racism. I'm sure the lady from Algeria living in Glasgow would agree.

23

Cappo Del Monte,

13/04/2007 06:53:11

The BNP are a political party just like others , full of liars, cheats etc, so should have the same rights as all other parties.
They have a right to be heard on TV
Let the insults begin lol

24

bmwj,

wishaw 13/04/2007 06:58:21

YOU have to ask yourself why the main political parties and the Media are constantly making innuendos about the British National Party.

They say that nobody will vote for the BNP.

If this is the case why not just ignore the fact when a BNP member is standing for election? Or is it the case that mainstream politicians have lost their way in this politically-correct society?

They need to stick their heads above the parapet and look at what’s happening in this country with regards to immigration-related problems.

25

Calum Crubag,

13/04/2007 07:11:34

Chairman Gordon once again cannot tackle the issue in hand wihtout bringing in outside parties. He again fails to condemn these morons. Shameful, the auld bigot.

The BNP are freaks, Public schoolboys with skinheads as bodyguards. Half of them are gay but are too f##ked up to admit it. Perhaps, the less we say about them the better.

26

Media 1,

cape town and stockbridge 13/04/2007 07:28:18

The BNP are not a racist party. The BNP want what most of us want.

1. Lower Taxes
2. Protection of our town centres and green belts
3. Shrink Bureaocracy
4. Zero tolerance on anti social behaviour

and other genuinely important issues!

The BNP's right to exist as a political party is not a privaledge, its a constitutional right. So all those opposed should head for Zimbabwe effective immediately. Perhaps then you will find the sort of world which fits your political agenda.

27

Gallon,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 07:33:54

As stated as fact earlier. Unite Against Facism (UAF)is part of Blairs Labour party.

The British National Party will put an end to mass immigration, asylum seekers and the destruction of the Scottish culture.

28

Gallon,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 07:39:14

A vote for the SNP is a vote for 9 billion of YOUR money pledged by the SNP to go to poor foreign countries.

This is stated in their current manifesto !

Remember the BNP won't give foreign countries one penny of your hard earned money

29

Cadgers,

Perth 13/04/2007 07:44:37

#32 Gallon "destruction of the Scottish culture." is that why they've had to bring up candidates from down south?

30

Guga,

Rockall 13/04/2007 08:03:25

#31 I take it you will be voting for the imperialist and unionist BNP?

31

livilion,

livingston 13/04/2007 08:09:45

31. Village Idiot
>>>
The BNP are not a racist party. The BNP want what most of us want.

<<<
Really?
Do tell, who is 'most of us'?

32

Encephalon,

13/04/2007 08:11:54

Sorry folks but the BNP will continue to grow in Scotland and south of the border until the issues of unwanted and uncontrolled immigration and asylum are brought under control. As to the Algerian woman attacked-disgraceful - but please explain why is an Algerian seeking asylum in the UK-there are a lot of neighbouring countries she should have applied to ?

In view of the fact that much of the recent immigration is from eastern Europe (ie white people for you PC types with a limited two tone perspective of the world ) this issue transcends race.

Anyone who has been to Londonistan recently will tell you that it is like being in a foreign land. Watch any episode of Crimewatch-look at the list of the UK's "most wanted" -this country has become a toilet for the world's dregs.

The danger is that in neglecting this problem, otherwise reasonable people among the indigenous population will turn to extremism as they perceive the mainstream parties to be ignoring their pleas. It has happened elsewhere-do not kid yourself that it cannot happen here.

33

Green Arrow,

South Wales 13/04/2007 08:17:24

The Welsh BNP have said that they would tear down the tollgates on the Severn Road Bridge. Did they ever stop the tolls on the Forth?

Good Luck to all B.N.P. activists and supporters on May 3rd. Some of you might like to read a link about my father landing on the Normandy beaches.

http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/02/this-is...

Warning - contains image of Union Jack that may offend some bigots.

34

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 08:32:56

15. Rob Roy, Portlethen
"2007 BNP get out of Scotland now."
"Everyone is welcome in Scotland!!"

Good one, that's the funniest post so far

35

Not Brian Taylor,

13/04/2007 08:39:09

#29: "They say that nobody will vote for the BNP."

Because nobody does. Under 4% at every election they have ever contested in Scotland. A string of lost deposits.

Scotland doesn't want their filth and will show them the door on May 3rd.

36

Gizzabreak,

13/04/2007 08:40:37

I am liking this idea more and more of a candidate having to live in the constituency he (or she) represents.

Who's standing for Gracemount, Niddrie, Pilton, Piershill, Wester Hailes, Sighthill, The Fort etc etc,?? And will they be representative of the local ned culture??

When do we get to see a list of MSP and Council Candidates??

37

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13/04/2007 08:49:06
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38

Craig Russell,

13/04/2007 08:50:27

I cant see anything wrong with the BNP standing for elections in Scotland or having Party political broadcasts, they are a legitimate political party, if you dont like them dont vote for them, it seems that some of the contributors are terrified that they might have some people who will listen to them listening to them
The BNP are expected to do very well in local elections in England and are expected to maybe get a seat on the Welsh assembley, they are experiencing a growth because many people think that are the only party that listens to their concerns on immigration, after all the Labour, Libs, Tories and the SNP believe im mass immigration, the SNP have also said that Scotland could take 2 million more people, with the BNP the only party opposing this what can you expect.
I dont expect they will have anyone one elected but their growth is staggering,in my opinion, its only a matter of time before they have an MP.They will manage this because no other party is willing to talk about immigration and i think a majority of people, (this is confirmed by many polls) that they have very serious worries about this topic, in the last few polls regarding the main issue that concerned voters it was immigration, this was totally ignored by the media, the other parties etc and will continued to be ignored by them.
At the present rate of immigration the indiginous population will be a minority in 60 a life span, this is bourne out by government figures, i think voters should have a right to express their anger and fear of this prospect, if they wwant to vote BNP, so be it, no one has the right to ban other parties just because you dont agree with them, thats what dictatorships do. I think they the opponents of the BNP are s....g their pants at the potential of the BNP and what they could become

39

toryheaven.blogspot.com,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 09:05:23

On the issue of the BNP, I think they will make little headway in Scotland. They tend to thrive only in places where there is a significant ethnic minority prescence, which the BNP can use to whip up discontent.

On the question of taxpayers' money being used to fund election leaflets, including the BNP's, I don't think taxpayers should pay one penny to fund any political party, including its election leaflets. Alas, New Labour seem only too keen to promote the idea of state funding for political parties, as if they weren't receiving enough cash already!

One the issue of labelling the SNP (rather than BNP) as racist, as some poeple try to, I think that is rather a silly argument, as any look at their policies will indicate (they may be economically feckless, and socialist, but not racist I think). However, it is true that the SNP do pick up some rather unsavoury support from certain knee-jerk Scots. It was only a few weeks ago that I commented on a post on this site by someone, supporting the SNP, who said "Scotland for the Scots, England for the English". As I remarked at the time, a former German Chancellor (Mr Hitler) said something rather similar about Germany for the Germans. So, comments like that one do rather tarnish the SNP cause. However, no political party can be responsible for some of the nutters it picks up, so I think labelling all of the SNP as racist because of such attitudes is just silly. I'm no Scottish nationalist, but I don't see how supporting independence for Scotland can be labelled racist, so long as it is stated clearly that an independent Scotand would be open to all to settle there (as SNP policy, I believe, states). Calling all Scottish Nationalists racist just lowers the tone of political debate.

40

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 09:17:37

45. toryheaven.blogspot.com

"However, no political party can be responsible for some of the nutters it picks up, so I think labelling all of the SNP as racist because of such attitudes is just silly"

The BNP would say exactly the same thing :)

41

Thistlemad,

13/04/2007 09:19:03

First off let me say that I hate racists, however if you take a GOOD look around you then you can BEGIN to understand why sadly Scotland is onb the slide to racism.
Kosovans were welcomed here temporarily whilst their own country was sorted out ...... why are so many still here?
Afghans who fled theTaliban are still here.
Iraquis who fled Hussain .... ditto.
Then there are the illegals. permission to stay refused .... erm so why are they still here???
The sad reality is, the minute you begin to talk about another race/creed these days you are automatically branded racist.
It is time for a GOOD look at our "open door" policy folks.
Let me explain. under international law, we should have ZERO asylum seekers ...... we are part of an island and the closest countries geographically are all "safe".
Scots people are being paid off to be replaced by Poles and Russians etc.
Being "protectionist" is not the same as being racist.

42

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 09:23:21

# 31 Media 1.

"The BNP are not a racist party"

Yes they are you twit.

43

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 09:46:49

# 36. livilion

By "most of us" I assume he means himself and the rest of the racist, pro-apartheid, holocaust denying, whites only gated community living fascists.

His comments are so predictably offensive and out of sync with mainstream beliefs in the UK they are barely worth reading anymore.

44

seaweasel,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 09:47:16

Thistlemad, this type of ignorant attitude sickens me and has no place in Scotland (or anywhere).

"Scots people are being paid off to be replaced by Poles and Russians etc."

What?! Workers from Eastern Europe are welcomed by the business community in Scotland because they are known for their conscientiousness. I won't tar everyone with the same brush but there are a lot of Scots who can't be bothered working and sponge from our taxes, so why shouldn't Poles, Lithuanians or Russians have jobs in Scotland when they actually want to do them, and do them well. Foreign workers pay taxes and contribute to our economy.

In the case of your last statement I'd say yes, being "protectionist" is not only the same as racists, but also economically incompetent.

45

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 09:47:36

47. Thistlemad
I agree completely. Racist means different things to different people. If it means hating other races then the BNP as a party is not racist although some of their supporters must be.

But if it means wanting to protect your own country, people and culture then yes, the BNP are racist - along with almost everyone else in the world.

The BNP is little different from the Metropolitan Black Police Association - an organisation that is open to some ethnic groups but not others and exists to forward the interests of certain ethnic groups at the expense of others. It's outrageously hypocritical to vilify the BNP in a society where an ethnocentric organisation like the MBPA is respected.

46

IWright,

13/04/2007 09:53:25

How about a protest outside the offices of the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph for their (anti-Scottish) racism? Or is that too close to home?

47

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 09:55:58

50. seaweasel
You must be aware of Scots being paid off so that foreigners can be employed cheaper? You're right that the *business* community wants Poles, of course they want cheap labour. That's not the same as being good for society overall.

Maybe you're not aware of it but for the unskilled in Scotland now, making a living is very difficult. It's hard to blame the unskilled for not bothering to work when unskilled wages have been undermined to the point where social welfare gives the same standard of living.

48

Boyce,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 09:56:34

Good for them it will help split the tory vote and keep more of em out of Parliament.

49

Doug Glasgow,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 09:57:23

#47 - couldn't disagree more.

Do as you say and really take a look around you - are there really so many foreign nationals around here? Or do you just have such an inbuilt fear/dislike of them that each time you do see one it rankles with you. Try going to London, Paris, New York or wherever and see how things compare with Scotland.

With Scotland's declining population, extra workers (and therefore contributors to our economy) should be welcomed.

As for people claiming asylum here, are you saying clearly now that Iraq is such a safe ands wonderful place to live no Iraqi asylum seekers shold be here? It is widely accepted that the situation there is wose than even under Sadam.

The lack of compassion extended to asylum seekers in this country makes me ashamed. Many of these people are genuinely fleeing for there lives and have seen family members raped, killed, homes destroyed etc.

50

Ned,

Morningside 13/04/2007 10:02:53

Surely if Blair,Cameron and Campbell would really be interested in what the British people think about immigration ,alylum seekers, multiculturalism etc,which is that we have had enough of all this nonsense and please in the interests of this long suffering majority think of the people who have lived in this country ( The U.K. ) no more. the BNP are only voicing the real feeling for immigration. i dont like the BNP nor do i intend to vote for them but i am frustrated by the whole issue. Who should i vote for . The choice is really bleak.

51

Bill Mundy,

Scotland 13/04/2007 10:19:46

If you feel these broadcasts are wrong you can complain to the BBC and Ofcom:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/

If you feel they are inciting racial hatred you can also report them to the Police as incitement to racial hatred is a criminal offence.

52

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 10:27:21

I'm probably going to be out of order here but for me The BNP - like all working class right wing thinking - is about Ignorance and protecting their lazy white ass lifestyle.

If any of you actually have proof that immigrant EU nationals (who have every right to be here, along with asylum seekers) are getting paid less than te minimum wage I propose you contact the Tax Authorities.

Other than that , shut your mouth and come and compete for a decent lifestyle like the rest of us.

53

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 10:29:44

Britain and Scotland are not (yet) in a position where anything more than a small percentage are giong to vote for extremist parties.

I say let them make an arse of themselves on TV, followed up by decent sensible criticism in the free Press , TV and Radio.

54

Bert,

13/04/2007 10:30:00

They are as entitled to stand as any other party. I don't support them but it will be interesting to see just how many votes they get. I think they may do ok if the Tory candidate who called at my door the other night is anything to go by. His opening gambit was, "Immigration is going to be a big issue at the election."

55

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 10:31:30

Here are some BNP party member quotes which I think clearly show how racist they are.

John Tyndall (Modern BNP Party Founder)
"Mein Kampf is my bible"

Richard Edmonds (ex deputy leader ) on racism
"We are 100 per cent racist, yes".

Nick Griffin (Party Leader) on inter-racial mixing.
"Our fundamental determination to secure a future for white children is restated, and an area of uncertainty is addressed and a position which is both principled and politically realistic is firmly established. We don't hate anyone, especially the mixed race children who are the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism, but that does not mean that we accept miscegenation as moral or normal. We do not and we never will"

Mark Collett (BNP Youth Leader)
"I'd never say this on camera, the Jews have been thrown out of every country including England. It's not just persecution. There's no smoke without fire."

I could keep posting this sort of crap all day as there is no shortage of evidence as to just how racist they are, its worth remembering that the modern BNP was formed by John Tyndall who was an ex National Front chairman.

56

INTER-nationalist,

13/04/2007 10:39:38

10 Cincinnatus, 22 James

Have a careful look at the words used by 21 Guga to describe the BNP – ‘imperialist’ and ‘unionist’ . Notice how he avoids the words usually used to describe them – ‘racist’ and ‘fascist’. That is because Guga is a consistent supporter of the racist SEP.

Laughably, the very next poster chooses to attack me and ignore this consistent advocate of racist policies for Scotland.

10 McCarthyism? The inaccurate smearing of political opponents by innuendo and lies. That’s what your friend Guga consistently does on these forums, most notably when he falsely claimed that £100M of taxpayers money was being used to build a mosque in London. He took a BNP lie and casually dropped it into this and other forums and not a single SNP supporter took him to task over it. On the contrary many used his Goebbels-type ‘big lie’ as ammunition for their cause.

The SEP are Scotland’s homegrown version of the BNP and they advocate voting SEP/SNP. When will ‘mainstream’ nationalists disown them? What are sneeringly referred to as ‘unionist’ parties like Labour, Lib Dem and Tory have no problem in rejecting the BNP absolutely. Is it too much to expect the SNP to do the same with the homegrown version?

Sadly it would appear so. Still not a solitary condemnation of this racist outfit from SNP supporters.

57

JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 10:46:35

#47

Maybe because Afghanistan and Iraq are still warzones. Yes, they should be encouraged to go back at some point but not while they're still in the mess WE created

And the point about Scots workers being replaced by Poles? Why is that? Because Scots won't apply for the jobs the Poles are. They'll whinge that they're unemployed, but won't take the jobs available. Then they'll sit back and take benefits. The Poles are hard working. Some of us should take notice and learn.

58

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 10:47:57

Keep an eye on them - by all means - but they are really not worth bothering about.

A) BNP
B) SNP
C) M&M's

59

Media 1,

cape town and stockbridge 13/04/2007 10:49:28

#48 Mike XL: I am not a BNP voter, I am a Labour voter. BUT I respect their right to practice politics,whereas you do not.

In any pub across the country you hear people complaining about the anti social behaviour problem in Scotland. That is a BNP issue! You hear people complaining about asylum seekers, that is also a BNP issue. You hear people asking why savage criminals are getting out early for good behaviour. The BNP are saying you will get out later for bad behaviour. Most of their issues are mainstream problems which society as a whole bitch about on a daily basis.

I do not see them as racist, only a racist would see them as such. Its easy to play the racist card, especially when you dont understand the word. I dont vote BNP, but I sure as heck respect the rights of those who do. THATS DEMOCRACY and I support it. Those of you who do not should ask yourselves a few questions.

60

Allan(handofgod137),

13/04/2007 10:52:50

I for one will be watching with great interest to find out what they actually have to say, rather than allowing a bunch of leftists to tell me what they think they are saying. All those calling for them to be gagged are demonstating a Stalinist contempt for the democratic process!

61

JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 10:57:07

#67

"i do not see them as racist"

Well there Media1 I have news for you. A DIRECT quote from BNP insiders "We are 100 per cent racist, yes".

So, what were you saying?

62

W Smith,

Middle East 13/04/2007 10:58:08

I believe its the Islamic militants living in Britain that are fuelling this support for BNP.

1) The Lefties like Galloway are always making excuses for these particular Muslims and, generally speaking, the Labour Party don't have the guts to deal with those militants.

2) David Cameron sounds more like a loony left Glasgow social worker.

3) I believe the the SNP are already sucking up to the muslim community with their plan to support seperate schools for muslim kids - at the taxpayers expense. Like there isn't enough sectarianism in Scotland then eh?

4) Sir Ian Blair reminds me of the dopey policeman in Ballimory - he is totally useless. No wonder London has become Londonistan!

5) The riots in Paris suggest something has to be done soon before more English cities, in particular, become Muslim ghettos.

6) The left wing multi-culturasim which has been promoted over the years has failed - just look at the state of cities like Bradford. Dundee looks like its going the same way - thanks to the Dundee Labour Party.

My guess is that its Islamic militancy in the UK that will give BNP some success, like it or lump it.

All the other parties seem to be too scared to tackle the particular subject of Islamic militancy. This has effectively given BNP an open door of opportunity at the elections.

BTW
1) Its was the French secret service that came up with the nick name Londonistan - as thats where many of the muslim militants they had under surveillance ended up.
2) My own view is that if immigrants are in the UK to work and not drum up support for terrorism/Hamas/Iran then they should be welcomed.
3) Australia, in my opinion, has got it right on with their immigration policy. They want bricklayers, joiners, electricians, nurses while Britain attracts the spongers and the terrorists!

63

ndodge4,

dundee 13/04/2007 10:59:03

I will be voting BNP- no doubt about it, and so will many of my postie workmates, to the annoyance of the union, who spend our union fees by giving much of it to convicted criminals at searchlight.

2 elections ago, we polled 5000 votes in scotland, last time, near 20000, this time it shall rise even further,

We are here to stay, and no amount of bullying or typewriter terrorism shall sway us.

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 10:59:28

Fine Allan , do that.

Just remember they understand the Political process , The Media , and are not stupid whatever they believe..

"They also propose the reunification of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland into what they call a "federation of the nations of the British Isles"


"Mandatory National Servcie....They also propose that all who complete national service are to maintain a standard-issue military assault rifle and ammunition in their home"

"The BNP plan to withdraw the United Kingdom from the European Union and pursue protectionist economic measures, being against liberal free trade and the free movement of capital."

Rock on Guys.

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 11:01:21

Thats really going to help you lot in Dundee ndodge4 eh mate ?

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 11:08:19

I'm pretty sure Ireland might have something to say about that, #72

So all this nonsense about protecting our wee island and we're going to merge with the island next to us. flawed logic.

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Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 11:10:27

63. MikeXL
You're right to mention John Tyndall being a Hitler admirer etc. but he was forced out of the BNP because of his extremist views. The modern BNP has reformed and evolved away from extremism just as the Labour party has evolved towards the centre. John Reid for example was an outright Stalinist in his younger days.

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 11:11:38

my thoughts exactly JT. It is from wiki though.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 11:15:08

#76 sorry if that looked like i was doubting what you were saying, i'm just dubious about all this most odious of political parties policies.

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 11:20:09

Anyone with half a brain can suss this lot out.

Crap Miltaristic economy , no foriegners but you get to run about with a gun.

I can understand the appeal to Postal Workers....

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

Aberdeen 13/04/2007 11:25:53

55. Doug Glasgow, Glasgow / 10:57am 13 Apr 2007

Oh Douglas are you really so blinkered to see that we are very quickly becoming the minority in Scotland. And SNP’s open door policy to Immigration is just destroying our culture. Services, and ethnic enclaves are already springing up in Aberdeen, so we can look forward to living in our own Bradford in a few years time.
The people moving into Aberdeen are not the professionals we used to get who integrated and become part of society, but the organised gangs, the drug and prostitute crime lords.
Aberdeen Police have just invested money in a new armoured response vehicle know to officers as the tank. In response to the number of gun involved criminals moving to Aberdeen. I dare not mention their ethnic background, but suffice to say I and many others don’t want this for my children.
Unlike you I have been out talking to people while campaigning for election, and people are really starting to feel as though we are being taken as fools, and our country as an easy touch.
The government say it’s because we have an aging population we need more migrants to pay taxes, to support their care. We know this is lies as the population will even out if given the chance, as the baby boomers from the late 40s and 50s will pass on.
So what then a country left in a multi cultural mess with various ethnic groups vying for superiority, gang warfare commonplace, our identity shattered.
Sorry but I and by most peoples response whilst out talking to them it’s obvious that a lot of our population feel the same way.
I have Indian friends in Aberdeen and even they are saying immigration is getting too much (oh my God a BNP member with Ethnic friends).
Also all of our Candidate s in the North of Scotland live and work in the Area; I am a born and bred Aberdonian. I served in the Army for 11 years the Prison service for 7, some of which was in the intelligence unit
So I have a good insigh

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Media 1,

cape town and stockbridge 13/04/2007 11:26:29

daniel rober #77: It does not matter what you believe concerning my political view point. What does matter is that people are free to vote for whoever they chose to vote for.

The BNP are a legal political party who will probably run Britian in the next 15 to 20 years. Denying them the right to exist borders on totalitarian.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 11:30:33

#82 I don't deny the right of the BNP to exist. I just find a great deal of thier policies and ideas shameful.

And if your prediction about the BNP running Britain in 15-20 years is correct, I just hope to god Scotland is no longer part of the union by then. Just another reason to chase independance.

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 11:32:24

# 67. Media 1

You ought to read my posts before responding to them, that way you would look less foolish.

"BUT I respect their right to practice politics, whereas you do not"

So how did you reach that conclusion?

At no point did I say they should be denied the right to campaign or should be prevented from having a party political broadcast, so how exactly did I deny their right to practice politics?

"I do not see them as racist, only a racist would see them as such."

They are and have often admitted to being a racist party, if you actually take the time to read their manifestos, as I have done for many years (I am an ex Anti Nazi League member, I left when I realised that ANL also did not respect democracy) you would see that they historically have not been anti-immigration when it applies to whites only people with the "wrong" colour of skin.

"a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed."

This is a direct quotation from BNP party material, how can you describe that as anything other than racist.

Although recently they dropped the policy of the compulsory repatriation of non-whites they did replace it with a policy for "firm encouragement" for "voluntary" repatriation".

Not "Non Whites" they have never had a problem with White Europeans migrating here but only anyone with the wrong skin colour.

Media 1, I sometimes wonder if you post purely to try and offend people, to try and deny that they are racist is just a denial of fact.

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

Aberdeen 13/04/2007 11:37:19

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun


You are about the best advert for the BNP going, Keep it going mate.

where did you get this rubbish from

quote :They also propose that all who complete national service are to maintain a standard-issue military assault rifle and ammunition in their home.

National service, a good thing for our youth who don’t go on to further education, i.e. university.
A lot of other countries still have national service.
Its confidence building, instils discipline, integrity, and gives people a strength of character, a bit like all our brave servicemen and woman have now and have always had.
Perhaps you would like to see a country where the kids don’t get a purpose in life due to the non competitive, liberal, wishy washy upbringing some would rather they have.

God our country needs help

Vote BNP 3rd May

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voteBNP,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 11:42:12

#83
"... they [BNP] have never had a problem with White Europeans migrating here but only anyone with the wrong skin colour."

If what you say is true then the BNP could be called "colourists".

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Gallon,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 11:42:37

SNP and Lib Dems will give most of your money away to poor foreign countries. Nine billion pounds is the figure stated in both manifesto's not nine million but NINE billion !

The British National Party will not give these scrounging countries a penny of your money it ALL will go to the good Scottish people.

Your vote is precious and May 3rd is BNP day.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 11:48:19

#86 Thats just a very lame euphimism for racism you clown. In fact, why have you even bothered? What is "colourist" if it's not racist - and what is the difference?

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

Aberdeen 13/04/2007 11:49:45

MikeXL, Edinburgh / 12:32pm 13 Apr 2007

Least you are a man with principles and integrity

It’s not Race we are against but the culture clash. That a multi cultural society brings.
I am against the Mass migration from the East, Please remember I said Mass, as this is changing our country, and culture. Even the U.N recognises the rights of the indigenous population to its own homeland, rights and customs.
Yes lets all be friends, go on holiday enjoy other customs and cultures, but we deserve our own. I hate to visit another country to find it had changed into something unrecognisable due to the demographics of the place shifting.
We all deserve our own homeland where we feel safe secure to continue our way of life. This is under threat now due to mass migration. We recognise that animals have this right, so why not us humans.

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Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 11:53:13

84. MikeXL
Although you write that the BNP "have never had a problem with White Europeans migrating here", their policies are also against large scale migration from Eastern Europe.

Presumably you consider it racist for an ethnic group to want to stay a majority in their own country. In a world ridden by ethnic conflict, to me, that just seems common sense.

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Media 1,

cape town and stockbridge 13/04/2007 11:54:51

#84 Mike XL: No point in debating with you. You are agressive, anti democracy and entirely void of reason.

Perhaps you should ask yourself a few questions regarding life in general.

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:00:21

# 75. Dougie

The BNP hasn't changed as much as you suggest, they have just, like all political parties, become more media savy and know that people like Tyndall were not vote winners.

Griffin was quoted a while ago saying that while, like many members, he still privately supported forcible repatriation, he believed the policy was a "vote loser".

They still however are against non-white imigration and inter racial mixing. They are undeniably a racist party whose prime motivation has always been a hatred of non-whites.

Another interesting policy of the BNP is the plan to reintroduce compulsory national service for all and to deny civil rights, including the right to vote to those who refuse to perform this service. They also suggested that all who complete national service are to keep a military assault rifle and ammunition in their home.

Perhaps the BNP organiser posting on the site could confirm if this is still the case?

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Anthony,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 12:00:57

It's not complicated. Are we or are we not supposed to be a democracy? Are the BNP a legally founded and recognised political party? The answer to both being affirmative, I'm struggling to see what all the fuss is about.

I'm not a BNP member or supporter. But anyone can see that all the stuff about them being "thugs" etc etc etc, is nonsense. If they involved themselves in such behaviour in order to advance their politics, they would be outlawed under existing provisions.

I can't get to grips at all with people who think you can advance democracy and "fight fascism" by removing peoples freedom of speech, and banning legitimate political parties for no reason other than they strongly disagree with them.

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:02:10

#91 Media 1

"anti democracy"

Please give an example?

Are you sure your reason for not wanting to debate are not due to you being incapable of doing so?

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 12:02:56

Aberdeen.

You picked one thing on the list, National Service which I agree could be a good thing.

Do you want to comment on the others ?

Is Aberdeen a multi-ethnic melting pot ? It looked ethnically cleansed last time I was there.

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:10:38

#89 Aberdeen Group Organiser

"We all deserve our own homeland where we feel safe secure to continue our way of life. This is under threat now due to mass migration. We recognise that animals have this right, so why not us humans."

Im not sure what point you are making here? Animals perform mass migrations all the time and it is considered natural.

Also you have mentioned becoming a minority in our own homeland, I think this is something of an exageration out of every 1000 people in Scotland.

880 are White Scottish
74 are White (non-Scottish) British
25 are from other white groups, including Irish
11 are Asian
3 people are of mixed race
3 people are Chinese
2 people are Black

We are hardly in danger of being out numbered.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 12:12:58

#94 what Media 1 means is he's allowed an opinion and you're not. That's his idea of democracy.

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:17:37

#85 Aberdeen Group Organiser

I see you had already reasponded to to the question about national service before I asked it, although I am confused, you claim it is rubbish but it was in your party manifesto less than 10 years ago, I cant recall which year as I do not have them to hand.

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:19:22

In fact I just found it in your 2005 manifesto.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpag...

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 12:32:34

Aberdeen , the fact you cant recognise your own partys policies shows us your level ... mate.

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Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 12:34:23

92. MikeXL

"They also suggested that all who complete national service are to keep a military assault rifle and ammunition in their home."

Isn't this still the case in Sweden and Switzerland? It certainly was quite recently.

"They are undeniably a racist party whose prime motivation has always been a hatred of non-whites."

I can’t see how hatred comes into it. I can't see how the BNP is fundamentally any more racist than the MBPA (Metropolitan Black Police Association) I mentioned earlier. Both the BNP and the MBPA exist to forward the interests of a particular ethnic group. Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against the MBPA even though they'd deny me membership based on my ethnicity and they'd seek to deny me a job because they'd prefer the job goes to one of their own. I don't think that's morally wrong - I just think that's human nature. There are hundreds of organisations like the MBPA throughout Britain. Why the double standard?

Regarding the numbers you give in post 96, a generation ago, England, France and Netherlands were in a similar situation. Now, France at least, is well on the way towards a Bosnian style societal breakdown into mutually hostile ethnic enclaves.

You're right of course that there's no imminent danger in Scotland. However the recent wave of Polish immigration demonstrates that a country's demographics can change overnight if immigration is not effectively controlled. There are already hundreds of millions in the world who would love to settle in Scotland given the chance. The way the world's going, it's becoming ever easier for them to do so. None of the mainstream parties have had the courage to address this.

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frank mcbride,

alba 13/04/2007 12:39:59

Media 1

As I have said on another thread the BNP is an odious organisation which uses the same electoral tactics as those of Hitler's Nazis and LePen's NF which makes them inherently racist.

You are obviously not a student of politics or history. If you were you would give NO succour to such an organisation.

Your defence of the indefensible is breathtaking especially from one who has stated that he is likely to vote Labour. Will your List Vote go to the BNP?

Thankfully you are one of a very small minority in Scotland. Disrespect in any form should not be welcome in Scotland.

VOTE SNP - 1st, 2nd, 3rd ON 3 MAY.

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Jack the lad,

13/04/2007 12:40:01

Be afraid, be very afraid!

This is the same tactics used by the Scottish Green Party, aye that Green Party with 1 seat first time round and 7 in the last session.

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 12:41:14

Well Mike I hold my hands up.
Id like to see all guns destroyed unless it was for Sports clubs, perhaps farmers, pest control.
But all controls would be really tight, Perhaps all guns kept in 1 central secure armoury. I even support a total ban on air rifles; I just can’t see why anyone needs one in their home. I would also like to see Jail terms for knife carrying in the years rather than months.

Hope that’s refreshing for you a Politician admitting he did not know something or agreeing with all his party says. But I do most of it

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voteBNP,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:41:25

#86
"Thats just a very lame euphimism for racism you clown. In fact, why have you even bothered? What is "colourist" if it's not racist - and what is the difference?"

1. Euphimism should be spelt "Euphemism". Your bad spelling may indicate the level of intelligence of the average UAF and anti-BNP supporters.
2. My answer was
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"... they [BNP] have never had a problem with White Europeans migrating here but only anyone with the wrong skin colour."
If what you say is true then the BNP could be called "colourists"..."
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Of course it is not true. There is a problem with mass (white) immigration from the EU countries.
3. The dictionary definition of colourist is "A painter able to achieve special effects with colour."
4. Don't you anti-BNP supporters have a sense of humour? You seem to look for evidence of racism in anything and everything.

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Scotta,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:43:37

I feel that we should adopt a similar policy of immigration as australia have. I.E. you can only come in to our country if you are going to provide some kind of usefull skill that improves the country and you are not going to be a drain on societly or have aids!

#91 Media1

Here Here well said!

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Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 12:50:51

Media 1
I'm just curious: obviously you're concerned about immigration and multi-culturalism, you've experienced first hand what political correctness has done for life in South Africa with BEE and so on. What I don't understand is why would you vote Labour?

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 12:51:11

105

Oh well, a minor spelling error has put paid to that then. Obviously, it was such a huge spelling mistake you couldn't understand what I meant.

Except you did.

Now, the fact you should say anybody opposed to the BNP is of low intelligence is simply not winning friends and influencing people is it? In fact, it merely confirms the intolerance of others which binds members of the BNP such as yourself.

As for your last jibe about having a sense of humour, I do. I really am funny you know. In fact I'm the funniest person here. Except I don't find racism funny. And no, I'm not in the PC brigade - I think that's gone too far. I do find the BNPs chances of winning many (if even ANY) seats at this election laughable. That must prove I have a sense of humour, no?

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:53:22

#101 Dougie

If you read my posts instead of making assumptions you would see that at no point have I spoken out in favour of open door immigration, the fact the Eastern European women can be can be trafficked into this country to be forced into prostitution show there is a clear problem with immigration.

What I have tried to say is that the BNP's only real policy is hatred and racism, they have no real policies to cover anything other than dealing with foreigners in our country "eroding our culture".

They spout the same right wing crap as the Tories used too, before they went all new labour, just in a less literate and more openly racist way, "bring back the death penalty" "fling out foreigners" but how do they plan to improve the NHS, reduce urban poverty in Glasgow, will they fix the problems with council tax charges, will they increase the availability of affordable housing, they are party with one platform and that is that immigrants are the cause of all societies problems which is nonsense.

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Scotta,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 12:55:13

#109
Never assume it make an ass out of u and me

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Calum Crubag,

13/04/2007 12:58:40

Media 1 and the other BNP apologists. Take a look at the criminal records of those involved. Some of these guys have VERY nasty pasts. Keep them out of Scotland.

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Calum Crubag,

13/04/2007 13:00:14

#105. What percentage of your party is openly gay? Perhaps if you could come to terms with yourselves then you'd practice less hate.

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 13:01:16

100. Turqouise Hexagaon Sun / 1:32pm 13 Apr 2007

I am standing for the local council, and the issues that will effect locals such as Lack of police, housing, Dentists, Increases in crime. The damages mass immigration is doing in Aberdeen. The fact Locals are missing out on housing to immigrant Families, Firms are more interested in employing low Paid East Europeans rather than giving locals a decent wage to live in the Expensive Oil city.
The fact our children’s schooling is already suffering as teachers struggle to cope with the 700 Polish kids already to the school role in Aberdeen who can hardly speak English.
It’s already been expressed that funding will need to be sought to provide Polish speaking teachers. Then what Romanian, Latvian, Pakistani, Bulgarian.
That’s one of the reasons the population feel we are been taken for fools.
Also how can you defend Aberdeen council who are going to be spending almost £200,000 on trips to East Europe to recruit more workers to benefit the cheap labour profiteering gang masters, while at the same time withdrawing care for the disabled and elderly, and almost doubling costs for the care packages that remain.
No other countries population would put up with this, unless they were going to directly profit form it, but as we know that won’t be the majority just the few.

I may not be able to dictate every manifesto policy, but at least I will admit that, and how many far more experienced politicians have been in the same position, which won’t.
At least the citizens of Aberdeen will get honesty if they vote BNP on the 3rd of May, and a councillor not afraid to speak up on their behalf.

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Green Arrow,

South Wales 13/04/2007 13:04:02

Well you have a choice really.

Vote for the B.N.P. or vote for this:-

http://www.bnp.org.uk/images/humour/europe_2015.gif

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 13:08:50

112. Calum Crubag / 1:58pm 13 Apr 2007

Yes like me 12 years in Army 7 in Prison service,

Swimming coach to many kids, of all backgrounds, I like gardening, wildlife, and being with my kids.

Ohhh and I’m a big green bogey man who lives under your bed and grabs your feet if you get out of bed at night

Grow up; because all the other parties are squeaky clean aren’t they.

Is that the best you can do.

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Media 1,

cape town and stockbridge 13/04/2007 13:13:22

#107 dougie: I see LABOUR as the best of a really bad bunch. Thats my honest opinion

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 13:22:28

Aberdeen, I like your honesty , I really do.

Unfortunately , I am an Immigrant to another European country and if it was based purely on colour of skin or where I came from I would be in trouble.

I can't see the world in Black and White and I am a strong believer in the EU.

It's a long hard journey and we are fairly near the beginning. A lot of people chose to ignore (or Didnt understand) what 1992 and the free movement of individuals was about.

I dont need to tell you migrations have been happening ever since history began.

Frankly - you cant stop them without turning your country into a Police State and drawing up the barricades.

You seem like a reasonable man, can you see this happening ?

Can you ? In Aberdeen ?

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Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 13:23:15

109. MikeXL
If you read my post again, you'll see I'm don't make any assumption about whether or not you support open immigration :) Probably very few people genuinely believe in completely open borders but the reality is that there's a vast amount of immigration into Britain and the mainstream parties aren't prepared to address it effectively.

You use those words hatred and racism again without explaining how the MBPA is any different.

Certainly immigration is central to the BNP's policies but they also have policies regarding every other aspect of government. Problems such as the overburdened NHS and lack of affordable housing however are directly caused by immigration and the resulting overpopulation.

I'm sorry to be pedantic but before you call the BNP to be "less literate", you should be careful of the difference between "to" and "too". You may find that an inane and irrelevant correction but I find your charge that the BNP is "less literate" to be equally inane.

Regardless, while people increasingly feel marginised by foreigners in their own country, the BNP seems set to grow, at least until mainstream parties are prepared to offer more than lip service. There's little sign of that so far.

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voteBNP,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 13:25:56

#112

I was going to refer you to #43 which gave links to the criminal activities of Labour, Conservative and Lib-Dem politicians but #43 has been removed!

A favourite trick of liberal-lefties when losing an argument with BNP supporters is to start banging on about "BNP criminals."
Search for this phrase "liars, buggers and thieves" on Google and you will learn about Tory, Lib Dem and Labour criminals.

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Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 13:36:50

118. Turqouise Hexagaon Sun

You're right that migrations have been going on throughout human history. Until the Second World War, the really big migrations to Britain were the Viking invasions, the Anglo Saxon invasions of post Roman Celtic Britain, the Gaelic invasion of Pictland, the Roman invasion of Celtic Britain and the Norman invasion of Saxon England. In all of these cases, the migration in question was disastrous for the previous population. Some migrations were outright invasion but some began when politicians invited foreigners to settle because they saw short term gain for their own narrow interests. Just as with South Asian immigration to Britain now, once a critical mass had been achieved, migration became uncontrollable and dangerous. These historical precedents show naïve optimism about modern immigration to be unjustifiable.

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 13:43:58

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun / 2:22pm 13 Apr 2007

Turquoise, please believe me it’s not a Race issue, but numbers, and culture.
We have the spread of Islam and we know of the threats that have been made against the western world, and the facts that atrocities have already been carried out and stopped. Britain does not know who is in our country let alone if they are possibly terrorists.
I don’t know where you live or are from; perhaps you have a harrowing tale to tell.
There are millions in the world who are deserving of care and help but that will only come from governments forcing change in some of these countries run by despot leaders.

We don’t need a police state, just effective border controls. I also don’t see the world as Black and white just in what’s right and wrong, fair or in just. I bet you are happy in your adopted country, and are not trying to force the population of your new home to change and adapt to what you had in your old home.

That’s what is happening in Britain, added to that the illegal chancing Immigrants, who are just milking our country. I am against the EU as it something akin to what Hitler would have wanted total control of Europe. I am all for us getting on well with our neighbours but id like to see Holland , stay Holland Scotland stay Scotland etc etc. Nationality and culture is a good thing we are all entitled to it.
God says we should love our neighbour. Not smother them..

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Boyce,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 13:44:27

120 VoteBNP

What exactly does the BNP stand for?
What sort of policies is it standing on at the election?
What are its priorities if it gains any seats within Parliament?
If I belong to an Ethnic minority group within the UK is there any reason for me to want to vote for the BNP?
Where do they stand on Tax issues eg council tax inheretance tax income tax etc?
Where does it stand on the political spectrum?
Left, left of centre? centre? right of centre? right? far right?

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Dapper Dan,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 13:51:56

Its the mainstream politicians and politically correct organisations that have created this beast by blocking any opposition to their shambolic immigration "system". It is so shambolic that it is
estimated 200,000 failed asylum seekers are currently living in Britain - this in itself creates a security problem. There is also worries about the scale in a small populated country . Multi-culturism is itself competitive. We are seeing it now with muslims demanding state funded schools , reasoning that catholics have them. Polish and Urdu is more popular now than Gaelic. We are also seeing large clusters of religious groups forming in Glasgow. Th biggest fear is that society becomes
so fragmented that the sense of society is completely eroded . In an ideal world , everyone from everywhere can get along harmoniously but
experiences in England, France, Germany and Holland suggest polarisation is more likely. In some German and Dutch cities a new "immigrant class"has emerged. Immigration is far too complicated to be just "swept under the carpet ". It needs to be brought into the open and discussed openly. For instance
1) why is there a need for foreign immigration, when we are currently receiving net incoming migration of 25k from the rest of the UK(since 2004 , due to house price differentials). There are
pension issues but is immigration the most effective
method ?

2) and what impact does mass immigration have on the overall economy, given that GDP per capita or labour productivity hasn't improved and more importantly how has mass immigration impacted the standard of living of those in the lower earning bracket,(due to wage deflation).

3) What is the success rate of past immigrants eg
how many are working full time and contributing.

4) Are they willing to accept and adapt to societies norms and standards and assimilate or do they want to change things according to their grouping

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voteBNP,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 13:58:58

#123

Go the BNP website and your questions will be answered.
ps. Did you take my advice and read about Tory, Lib Dem and Labour criminals?

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Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 14:02:05

Holland stopped being Holland a long time ago. The world hasnt ended. Germany too. Belgium , France (I know about France) etc.

Scotland , if it wasnt so far north with a poor economy wouldve changed too.

I'm not convinced Aberdeen.

Where do you stand on the White Scots chancers who are milking our country ?

Also , where do you stand on issues like The Ghurkas , who fought and died for our country but are denied "citizenship" ?

Perhaps you would be better off standing as an Independent if you are genuine. Given the BNP's history you cannot hope to get anywhere with reasonably minded people.

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Miner,

Alberta, Canada 13/04/2007 14:07:09

Well said Paul #18. Free speech is for all, not just what you want to hear. Let them loose thier deposits.

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Boyce,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 14:10:56

125

I am looking for your insights into the BNP not the BNPs own literature. What are your personal answers to my questions?

120

Scottish Unionist,

13/04/2007 14:13:21

Although I abhor what the BNP stands for, I believe the electorate have a right to hear what they say. To be perfectly honest, I don't really like the idea of the Scottish Socialist Party (whose members have been apologists for various brutal hard-left regimes) have a platform paid for by the licence payer, but we live in a democracy. Is it truly democratic to silence a political party?

The best thing we can do is to get out and vote on the 3rd May and to stop the crytpo-fascist BNP making any gains.

121

voteBNP,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 14:13:25

#126
"Holland stopped being Holland a long time ago. The world hasnt ended. Germany too. Belgium , France (I know about France) etc."

You are right. All those countries are now less desirable places to live. Holland is now even more crowded than the UK. France has had a lot of trouble with people rioting and burning thousands of cars. Racist attacks on whites far exceed attacks on non-whites.

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Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 14:19:20

What a load of sensationalist rubbish this article is. The BNP are entitled to broadcast, to suggest that this broadcast is going to result in violence is nonsense. Louise Gray you are a fool.

123

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 14:19:47

126. Turqouise Hexagaon Sun

"Holland stopped being Holland a long time ago". Certainly the world didn't end but it's hardly very nice for the Dutch:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/27/international/europe/27...

"Our Web site got 13,000 hits in the weeks after the van Gogh killing," said Frans Buysse, who runs an agency that handles paperwork for departing Dutch. "That's four times the normal rate."

Rotterdam style ethnic ghettos and white flight is exactly what we don't need here.

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Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 14:20:38

Additionally, I have been trying to track down UK unemployment and crime figures broke down by race and minorities p/head of the populations, any one with any good links please post them.

125

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 14:26:51

119 Dougie.

I didn't feel compelled to justify the actions of the MBPA because I rarely agree with any organisation that feels one racial group deserves preferential treatment over another. You brought them up not me, this story is about the BNP.

As for my claims that the BNP's arguments were often illiterate, I will confess I shot myself in the foot misusing "too" but I was referring to any one of the mind numbingly racist and poorly informed comments made by people like Nick Griffin, I have already posted a few earlier on this page, but if you want to seek more examples then just google BNP and quotes, the problem with a party whose only policy is race hate is that it attracts supporters who tend to put their foot in their mouth every time they open it.

One of the best, which I have already posted was the explanation of the historical pogroms perpetrated against the Jews "There's no smoke without fire" I think that is a perfect example of an illiterate and racist response.

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 14:33:58

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun / 3:02pm 13 Apr 2007

After serving with Ghurkhas in the Royal Signals I can assure you they would not be offended because they like the BNP have immense national pride and their traditions, religion, and culture are the most important things in their life. The Ghurkhas are probably the best example of another group that understand where the BNP are coming from.

Also the BNP are committed to dealing with our own scroungers, and making the ones able to work, work.. The BNP are also committed to clamping down hard on criminals, this is a major issue as far as I am concerned. The population of a land should be able to walk the streets safe at night. But light sentences are handed out after many hours of police time securing evidence etc.
This enables the criminals to get back into the community to rack up more crime that the police have to spend time investigating. These criminals also act as role models for younger groups thus perpetrating a never ending spiral of crime.
Also it is proven that longer jail sentences results in the prisoner being more willing to undertake courses to enable him to gain employment on release.
A prisoner on sentences say under 1 year are very reluctant or unable to undertake any courses due to time.

Also Televisions etc in jail should be earned, and a reward for being drug free, attending courses, and behaving well in Jail.

Also Id like to see an automatic doubling up of sentences for career criminals, say 3 months for a burglary then released then 6 if they do it again then 12 months 24, then they know the next time they get caught it will be 4 years then 8 you will see them change their ways and stop robbing.

And I don’t want to see Aberdeen change it is our homeland after all.

127

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 14:37:55

#134
"I rarely agree with any organisation that feels one racial group deserves preferential treatment over another."
What about the EOC, thats exactly what they advocate.

128

Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 14:43:54

See you folks soon cheers for the informed debate, that’s what it’s all about.

This BNP monster is away to coach about 30 swimmers, age range from 8-18 who all want to go to the Olympics.

Not that they will be given decent swimming pool to train in,

Well that’s another issue.

Keep them fit keep, in body and mind, keep them out of trouble.

See you soon

In my absence make sure you watch the BNP broadcast tonight BBC1 at 22.30 and other channels around the same time.

129

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 15:06:14

134. MikeXL
I accept you personally might not agree with the aims of the MBPA. My point was that although such an organisation is essentially no different to the BNP, one is celebrated, the other is vilified. There's a double standard. If you consider the BNP racist (I accept that by a wide definition of the word, that's justified) then the MBPA is no less racist. Since society regards the MBPA as acceptable then I have to conclude that racism (by this wide definition of the word) is acceptable in this society. Only if it's racism against whites of course.

Other people (presumably not yourself) might argue that the MBPA is not racist but that would require a much narrower definition of that word. Consistently using this narrower definition, the BNP can't be considered racist either. That it is so demonstrates the racist double standard of public debate in Britain.

Regarding "illiterate" I don’t doubt that plenty of BNP supporters are poorly educated and perhaps not especially intelligent if that's the implication you intend. Unfortunately the BNP has no monopoly there. I doubt whether the average intelligence of Labour Party cardholders has ever been measured but I wouldn’t bet on triple figures. As for Nick Griffin, you might not like what he stands for but he hardly seems illiterate or poorly informed.

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apnet,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 15:06:45

#96 MikeXL

"Also you have mentioned becoming a minority in our own homeland, I think this is something of an exageration out of every 1000 people in Scotland.

880 are White Scottish
74 are White (non-Scottish) British
25 are from other white groups, including Irish
11 are Asian
3 people are of mixed race
3 people are Chinese
2 people are Black

We are hardly in danger of being out numbered."

Although a non-white skin stands out. 1 turban wearing Sikh might as well be 1000, that is the perception.

131

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 15:14:50

130.

yOU dont get out much.

If you are poor Holland and france probably isnt a nice place to live , but still preferable to baing poor in scotland.

I'm loaded and perfectly happy.

Thousands of cars are not getting burnt in France , last time I drove through it was rather Picturesque.

Whats up wee boy , are you skint ? Annoyed ?

132

Turqouise Hexagaon Sun,

13/04/2007 15:18:06

Holland has been historically a rather crowded place.

I'm not doing this anymore. I can see how your arguments work.

133

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 15:32:17

# 138 Dougie

I dont need you to accept my views on the MBPA, it is completly irrelevant to the article which is about the BNP, and they are different one is a political party the other is a orginisation which lobbys for increased right for Black Police officers.

And I would argue that Nick Griffin is poorly educated. And I can demonstrate with a few choice nuggets of idiocy from the man himself.

"It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended."

"Without the White race, nothing matters."

He also wrote in The Rune a while ago that only "well-directed boots and fists" could back up BNP policies "not rational debate."

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 15:45:43

#139 apnet

I agree, I often am amazed when I hear people describing Scotland as not being a racist country, when in fact what they mean is there are so few ethnic minority members in Scotland that they rarely have to deal with it, the perception of too many people is clearly one is too many.

I grew up in Central Scotland and I don't think I have ever saw an Asian owned business that didn't have a swastika or C18 spay painted across the shutters by some yahoo, it would invariably back to front as well.

If you have concerns about immigration the BNP is not the answer, if you have concerns about preserving Scottish culture (whatever that is, kilts and shortbread or MacDonald's and American TV) the BNP is not the answer.

If however reading the Turner Diaries and having wet dreams about race wars or legally abusing someone who has a different skin tone is you thing then by all means vote for the BNP

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hoopy,

islington london 13/04/2007 16:09:26

Scotland

After reading how Anti BNP and in some cases anti English many of the Scots on this site appear to be, I think that they should bury the past with such tings as bannock burn, Bonnie Prince Charlie, and other outdated history, and face reality of what is happening in the real world and particularly Scotland.

Scotland today is regarded as the asylum centre of Europe, and saturated with Marxist in administrative positions, if such a trend continuous which of course it will under the 3 old gang parties’ and the Marxist SNP.

The Scottish race will be consumed by multiculturalism, by the year 2250 you wont have a Scotland, it will be finished kaput gone, then your great great great grandchildren will have to look into their history book to see how great Scotland once was, which the cowards and fools of to days present generation threw away.

The finest man that you people in Scotland have to day is, Mr Kenny Smith BNP a Scotsman with balls, which unfortunately most south of the boarder have seemingly lost.

And that’s my party political to Scotland, but will the editor of this site dare to publish it.
Something I shall keep my eye on.

George Deighton south of the boarder. BNP

136

fiferjohn,

13/04/2007 16:13:55

i don't think they will get any where in Scotland because most Scots haven't the time for them and also if they did start getting major support it will be the Scots ,welsh, Irish, that will be next to get cleaned out so they have a pure white English britain

137

Craig Russell,

13/04/2007 16:15:48

There are contributors to this site who say the BNP are racist, how would they know this, the only information we get about them is from the media which is very anti BNP and do their utmost to block them at every turn, amy of its members are victimised for holding their breliefs, they have lost jobs, been expelled from their unions just because of their views, this is disgarceful, this is supposed to be a democracy, but it seems that its only a democracy if you hold the 'correct ' views.
if your looking for a racist party look at Labour who have invaded a foreigh country and pushed into anarchy, also all the majot parties, Labour, Tories Snp all support mass immigration which is used to under cut wages, these immigrants are paid very low wages, this is nothing more than modern day slavery,the SNP ven say Scotland can take 2 million extra people, why i ask, these kind of numbers will only create problems , but then again all the major parties are in the pockets of the banks, muliti nationals etc, a few more low paid slaves will only keep their rotten system going on.
If the SNP cared about Scotland they would stop immigration now, but it seems they dont

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Craig Russell,

13/04/2007 16:22:42

145 John the fifer
How did you work that one out,do you know any BNP members, im sure their are many members who are Scots, Welsh, and Irish, you have just got some obsesive hatred of the English it seems, i dont think they would join if they though that, at least they seem to care about British people, their traditions and culture, i dont see Labour or the SNP doing that.

139

JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 16:25:36

146

What nonsense. Other sources of information include the BNP themselves. There are DIRECT quotes from them who openly admit to being racist.

Then there's the BNP website. I don't need to rely on a biased media to decide FOR MYSELF that the policies and ideals of the BNP are not for me.

Now, because this is democracy as you rightfully point out, that is my view to which I am entitled. You are entitled to yours.

140

Allan(handofgod137),

13/04/2007 16:29:47

Turquoise ect, reintroducing national service could be the lifeline so many youngsters need to turn their lives around by installing discipline and a sense of responsibility. Also what u got against dundee posties? I've also noticed a lot of SNP supporters directing vitreolic hatered against the English!

141

Craig Russell,

13/04/2007 16:43:36

148
Yes you are entitled to your views, thats good, if you dont like the BNP dont vote for them, but people should have the right to vote for them if they want.I looked at the BNP website today for the first time, i cant see anything resembling racism at all, all they are calling for is stronger immigration controls and the presevation of Scottish, English, Welsh culture,how is it minorities can do this but we cant without being branded racists, their site doesnt call on people to hate anyone or attack anyone , it just says to oppose the major parties who have created the mess we are in now
if there is any hatred towards ethnic minorities this was caused by Blair invading Iraq, the terrorism created by this and the response of British people to this threat. it wasnt the BNP who invaded Irag or imported millions of immigrants for cheap labour , its the major parties who done this, all they seem to be calling for is a return to some kind of commonsnse, they want to get out of iraq, stop being under control of the EU, Banks etc, surely this is not racist.
It seems to me that anyone can create an orgaisation and call it the black association of this or that, but when ever someone wishes to promote the interests of Scots, English or Welsh then they are racist, this is the attitude that hS made people turn to the BNP in the first palce, no one else will listen to their concerns, not labour, the SNP or anyone

142

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 16:44:10

#144 Hoopy

You post is almost incoherent, you first complain about posters being anti English and anti BNP, so you want posters not to be racist but to vote for racists? You are telling us to consign events to the history books and move on, then in the next paragraph you are telling us that the only way we will be able to see what Scotland was like 250 years from now is by looking in history books. What on earth are you gibbering about?

Then you then suggest that your poorly spelt (border not boarder, unless you really are south of a guy who lives in a guest house) may be censored for being too controversial when it in fact is just a jumble of unconnected contradictory ramblings and not in any way controversial.

Get a grip of yourself man.

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Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 17:04:05

"The BNP isnt Racist"

Wahahahaha !

Thank you guys for giving me the best laugh of the day.

Enjoy your hatred and your vitriol and your cleverly worded sophist arguments. Some of us have better things to think about.

Of course if the A-rabs do take over , you will be amongst the 1st to have your head removed with a kitchen knife , and you will probably still be wondering why.

Mummys gone , get over it.

144

Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 17:24:01

MikeXL, Edinburgh / 5:44pm 13 Apr 2007

Mike grow up, having a go at someone’s spelling its puerile and childish. So what if everyone has not had a university education, or are perhaps the aftermath of our lowering standards in Schools where the education programme seems to be geared towards learning about His & His rights. And what a wonderful contribution Islam will make to Scottish culture.
And Hoopy was right Scotland will be consigned to the history books, the only point id pick up was him saying 250 years, more like 10 the way things are going.

Quote from yourself

If however reading the Turner Diaries and having wet dreams about race wars or legally abusing someone who has a different skin tone is you thing then by all means vote for the BNP

Also the BNP has moved on from your in the 80s 90s rhetoric that you spew out like above. Go outside see the problems faced by the average man in the street, Meet the average BNP member who has joined in the last few years, and then update your history banks.
Perhaps you are spending too much time on the Pc and the world had passed you by or was that bye, buy, hell I don’t know, gives you something childish to slag me off for. CHILD

145

Not Brian Taylor,

13/04/2007 17:34:20

#149 Allan

Yes, training our local ned 'mad squads' how to use firearms and close combat techniques is certainly a clever idea.

#144

You are a loon (and not in a Doric way). Calling the SNP 'Marxist' is a sure-fire way of proving it.

146

Andrew Allan,

13/04/2007 17:45:08

Give the BNP the Tartan army treatment, and drive them out of Scotland, we don't want you here.

147

Aberdeen Group Organiser,

13/04/2007 18:04:37

Andrew Allan / 6:45pm 13 Apr 2007 quote

Give the BNP the Tartan army treatment, and drive them out of Scotland, we don't want you here

Drive out the only ones sticking up for Scotland.

As an ex Solider, and being able to understand what our forefathers went through during the last two world wars when, we in the British Isles stood shoulder to shoulder with each other. Your remarks are disrespectful to the many that paid the ultimate sacrifice so that you can have the liberties you enjoy today.
And what is the Tartan Army treatment, I’m sure you linking the most friendly football fans in the world with violence are welcomed by their travel club and all who support Scotland.
Even although many of the members in this page don’t see eye to eye in a political sense I have not read any threats of violence. But I don’t for one minute think you represent the views of other anti BNP protesters on this page.
Your views are of the same mindset of those thugs that carried out the above despicable act.
The only link that can be attributed to the BNP is how we would make sure those caught for this horrible crime would be properly punished and not moddy cuddled in our soft Prisons.
A BNP government would make thugs like those above think a lot harder before carrying out such shameful disgusting acts.

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Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 18:39:13

Oh I'm sure they wolud Aberdeen Organiser (?) I'm sure they would.

I love the way you pick and choose your Policies, and I'm well aware of the cheesy persuasion techniques you are using here.

Country , Forces, Training Kids etc.

It's superb. Will you be kissing little black babies next (if there were any in Aberdeen) ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIc0okDpR-k&mode=relat...=


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIc0okDpR-k&mode=relat...=

149

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 18:40:42

142. MikeXL
Perhaps Nick Griffin is not so poorly educated about Auschwitz as you think. His "nugget of idiocy" about a chimney being rebuilt after the war is simple historical fact. Allow me to refer you to the official museum website:

http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/zwiedzan...

http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/new/index.php?try...

This is the second time on this forum you've accused others of ignorance while demonstrating your own. I can only implore you to be more open-minded.

150

Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 18:45:37

Hey Mate , have you got a Lishp ? Whats all the stuff about chrishtmash cards ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhZfaKgPj8&mode=relat...=

151

Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 18:50:57

This is great . Dougie is denying the Holocaust.

Wahahaha ! Either that or he's picking a pedantic point about a chimney.

152

JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 18:52:32

#152

I agree with what you say in the first part of your post. This is democracy. Once you're in the polling booth you're free to vote as you see fit be it extreme right, extreme left, centre, centre-left, nationalist - whatever.

I do not have a problem with the democratic process. If a large number of people vote for the BNP then the next Executive - whether that be Labour or SNP - needs to take that on board and engage the public to take steps to ensure thier grievances are aired and acted upon.

Some of the points you make are valid - especially with regards to Iraq. Unfortunately this is done now, and we've made a mess there. We need to sort it out and help create an Iraq the Iraqis want to stay in. Wouldn't that be better then pulling out, leaving the place a mess and more or less forcing Iraqis to seek asylum elsewhere? Same with Afghanistan.

After all is said and done, I still won't be voting BNP now nor in the foreseeable future. And that is my decision based on my own convictions, not by any PC brigade or media bias.

153

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 19:00:02

#155 Aberdeen Group Organiser

You talk about my 80's and 90's rhetoric but you seem unaware of your own parties policies, you were oblivious to the fact that they advocated the return of national service and the distribution of automatic weapons, something which to this day they have yet state is no longer policy.

You also talk about when "we in the British Isles stood shoulder to shoulder with each other" but seem to neglect to mention the huge number of non-European troops that stood side by side with them, the many of whose descendants are now British citizens that the BNP, according to their current policies would "offer financial rewards to take voluntary repatriation" You claim that "The Ghurkhas are probably the best example of another group that understand where the BNP are coming from" but you ignore the fact that your party would deny them the pensions and passports that military service to this country earned them.

The average BNP supporter I suspect is very much like the average National Socialist German Workers Party supporter was in the 1920's, misinformed by party propaganda to believe that immigrants were the root of all their countries problems.

Another interesting fact (well I think so), the BNP decided under Nick Griffin to reinvent themselves in hope of gaining votes at the same time that the KKK in the US decided to reinvent themselves as “not a racist group, just a supporter of white US culture” in hope of gaining legitimacy, and it remains a fact that Nick griffin has maintained ties to the KKK and other Neo Fascist organizations in the US using white supremacy web forums like “American Renaissance” despite his “reinventing himself”.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 19:01:05

#155

True, having a go at someone for minor spelling mistakes isn't the best way to score political points.

However, a certain BNP sympathiser on this very board had a go at me because in my rush at getting a comment out I inadvertantly misspelt "euphemism". I got a torrent of abuse which essentially accused me of being of lower intellect and as well as this the verdict of this troll was ALL non-BNP supporters are of low intellect.
Not the best way to represent your beliefs and party I'm sure you agree. "Agree with us or we'll query your intellect" seems to be the idea.

Just thought you should know that this kind of behaviour exists on all sides of the political spectrum not just the Anti-BNP side.

155

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 19:06:02

162. Mario Antoinette aka lots of things

If one person calls another ignorant for making a correct statement, the first person deserves to be corrected. I hardly think that's pedantic.

156

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 19:07:03

#160 Dougie

I and most others know that much of the camp at Auschwitz was rebuilt after the war as a monument.

My point was he is a holocaust denier and this was his argument in support of his ridiculous claims.

157

Helena C,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 19:07:33

I'm tired of pretending to be happy with militant foreigners and the MSP's that happily promise them everything while seeking their votes.
The Left have made them a protected species and shamefully the Tories have too.

Immigration and Radical Islam is a no-go-area for the other parties only the BNP is voicing the fears of the man on the street.

If some Leftie posters (tartan Lefties too) cared to look across the channel at the problems in France, The Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden instead of naval gazing about failed multiculturalism they may see things which upset their Socialist sensibilities.

I do not believe that Scottish culture and traditions are best guarded by people from hostile foreign lands..they import and keep their own hostile culture.

This is their right, as it is mine to defend my own by voting for a party with my interests unashamedly at heart.
I haven't met one single person with a bad word to say about the BNP. I dont move in skinhead circles incidentally but professional ones. They will be getting my two votes.

158

Edinburghs only big team,

13/04/2007 19:22:56

We could just go the whole hog and just ban anyone who doesn't have red hair wigs and think that singing flower of scotland made us true scots?

159

Dougie - Edinburgh,

13/04/2007 19:23:05

167. MikeXL
You called the Nick Griffin ignorant for saying something which is correct. The only possible reason you'd do that is if you yourself were unaware that his statement is correct. For this reason I find it hard to believe that you really knew before I pointed it out that much of Auschwitz was rebuilt after the war. The quote you picked doesn't demonstrate Holocaust denial at all.

160

Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 19:36:48

Ok, so we demonstrated that part of Auschwitz was rebuilt as a memorial.

Well done , and move on.

161

Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 19:39:17

http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums7/album.htm

All generated in Photoshop of course.

This is just wrong.

162

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 19:39:33

#170 Dougie

Believe what you like, I spent many years in the ANL campaigning against the last less media savvy incarnation of the BNP and made it my business to know these things.

My failing here was not to pick the best quote, I just thought the last one was good as he made it in such a flippant offhand way as though the fact that the chimney were rebuilt shot down all other evidence.

So here is a better one, again from Nick Griffin.

"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat… I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter-day witch-hysteria."

You seem adamant to defend a man who actively associates with KKK members, who advocate, although no longer in public, the murder of black US citizens. The link below is film from the BBC website of Nick Griffin attending a meeting with "The American Friends of the BNP" in the US, the man on the podium with him is David Duke former grand wizard of the KKK.

163

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 19:42:20

Sorry here is the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programm...

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Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 19:46:51

I coild keep going all night.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/WarCrime/lm53/LM53.html

http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums7/jpg_chnr8.htm

http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums7/jpg_chnr8.htm

http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums7/jpg_chnr6.htm

http://www.oskarschindler.com/Albums7/jpg_chnr15.htm

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 19:51:22

#175 Mario Antoinette

Thats a lot of links, those 7 Jewish bankers that run the world must have been busy faking all those pics.

Maybe they had help from the 19 Jewish employees at the BBC who N Griffin accused of controlling the UK media.

166

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 20:28:40

I find it very rich that the SNP numpties here accuse the BNP of 'racism' when their party continually spouts absolute hatred towards those of us who live 'South of the Border'. Here, we couldn't give a damm whether somebody comes from Scotland and comes to live amongst us but it seems that isn't the case the other way around too often. Also, many of us, myself included, support Scotland when you are playing in the football or at the very least don't cheer-on their opponents. I wonder why many of you can't find it within your hearts to do likewise?


The SNP by the way DON'T support 'independence'. They support 'independence in the EU' which is something else entirely.

If Mr Salmond was a nationalist like he claims to be then why does the SNP have a very soft stance towards immigration and asylum and his party activists are always in the front line of any demostrations against patently fraudulent 'asylum-seekers' being deported?

167

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 20:33:05

John the fifer, the BNP is for ALL of Britain's whites not just those from 'South of the Border'. That is why it is called the BNP.

168

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 20:40:42

Frank McBride, what is the SNP's definition of someone who is Scottish? They should come-up with a reasonably tight and coherent definition because after all they will be issuing passports soon, won't they? Or will they? Mr Salmond reckons he can have an 'independent' state without enacting one of the most fundamental duties of an independent state ie citizenship. I would like to know how that one works! Would illegal immigrants crossing the River Tweed be welcome in an Alex Salmond-ruled Scotland or would they be deported?

169

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 20:50:27

Re: 40. It is a shame that Scotland doesn't show the door to the SNP with their constant ridiculous assertions that everything that is wrong with Scotland is that lot down there.

170

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 20:52:21

No, my views aren't confused. I consider myself to be a native white Briton. I do have some ancestry from Wales like many of us do here and I am proud of that.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 20:53:03

To be frank #180 it shouldn't bother you one bit - given that you're in Essex and all that eh?

Now, BNP zealots - stop getting the SNP and BNP confused because of the N and P. Two different parties with two different aims. Entirely. The SNPs version of nationalism involves legislative and fiscal autonomy and the creation of an independant state.

Essentially taking Scottish matters into Scottish hands and running our own affairs- not simply blaming all societies ills on those different to us and shutting up shop. Keeping friendly ties with what remains of the UK and remaining within the EU. Working with other nations and peoples.

Of course, as much as I dislike the BNP they will still be free to stand for government in the newly created Scottish state in the general election held following the dissolution of the union so if you want Scotland run that way you'll still be able to vote for it (If your candidates haven't all packed up and gone back to England by then, seeing most of them aren't Scottish and aren't really interested in Scottish politics as they've been simply drafted in to make up the numbers.)

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Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

13/04/2007 21:04:18

JT , dont waste your fingers mate.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:04:18

Wellsaid, Gallon no.87. If any BNP MSPs are elected they will put the ordinary, decent, law-abiding people of Scotland first.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:08:23

Re. 184. You have just confirmed what should be common knowledge that the SNP AREN'T nationalists but socialist separatists who have an abiding hatred of their fellow Britons.


And they DON'T want independence. There is no such thing as 'indepedence in the EU'. If you are in the EU, you aren't independent to any significant extent and if Alex Salmond gets his way you will be in the Euro and have your interest rates set in Frankfurt, Germany - a country that bombed Scotland during the last war.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:10:08

If the SNP didn't mind working with other nations and peoples then what is wrong with working with the other nations of Great Britain? Face facts, the SNP are nasty little Anglophobes nothing more nothing less.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:15:08

The SNP only want to break the United Kingdom. They DON'T want independence. Their policy on the EU stands testament to that.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:19:46

Guga, the BNP supports the right of the Falkland Islanders to stay British if that is their wish. Is that imperialism?

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 21:22:49

And you are a nasty little Europhobe that hates Europeans (and especially Germans for some reason) yadda, yadda, yadda.

Give us peace from you pathetic, unwanted lies. We can insult each other all day long like pathetic children, but the SNP have made their argument for wanting to be in the EU - and although I personally disagree with them, I will still vote for them because I want Scotland to have less red tape and faster, more effective government. Although the EU is a problem with my view, it is still advantageous to slice out that big bulk of red take called Westminster.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 21:23:01

Sorry that should be tape.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:25:04

Very wellsaid, Hoopy, post 144.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:27:54

I don't hate Germans but I can clearly sense your hatred. Do I really have to repeat myself? The SNP don't want independence. Under him, you will be under EU control even more than it is now. You wil have the Euro eventually which means your interest rate will be set in Frankfurt. That is what joining the Euro means.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:31:36

Do you dispute the fact that Germany bombed Scotland during the war? Yes or No?

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 21:35:34

Accusing the SNP of hatred is a bit rich from a supporter of the BNP.

And, my good god, you've brought Germany into the whole thing. Now what really pushes my buttons - and I may I add in all the wrong ways - is the utter open hypocrasy of your statement right there.

"The same Germany who bomed Scotland in the last world war"? That's one way of looking at it. Another way is the same Germany who was led by the SAME Hitler and National Socialist Party whos ideals are shared by many in the BNP.

Of course, I don't think Germans are all evil because of this. To simply suggest Germany cannot be trusted now in the year 2007 because of the events leading up to WW2 is ludicrous.

Hitler took advantage of the fact Germany was economically depressed and ravaged at the end of WW1. Faced with reparation bills it couldn't afford. Forced to slash its armed forces and defences. The mood of the place was downright miserable.

Hitler knew Germany was depressed. He found an ideal scapegoat in the Jews, stirred up hatred, got power and the rest is history. The german public of 1930s were whipped up into a patriotic frenzy. Of course, once he had absolute power as provided by the Enabling Act there could be no stopping him. There could be no dissent or civil disobedience. If the German people did find out the true horrors of Hitlers policies they wouldn't be able to stop him by then.

So, I should blame the German people of 2007 for thier bombing of Scotland in the 1940's why, exactly? A lot of them are ashamed of Germany's past.

The EU was set up partly as a way of preventing the repeat occurance of such terrible wars between European nations again.

That's one of your arguments torn to shreds. Now, whats next?

Oh right, links with the rest of the UK. Well, you see - Scotland should work in partnership with other nations especially the remainder of the UK. Not be governed by it. What laws and taxes suit the UK don't n

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Brownie,

England 13/04/2007 21:47:22

Blimey they even talk communist crap up in Scotland aswell. Dont forget there is nothing more racist than an anti racist. There is nothing wrong in wanting to preserve and be proud of your own race, you have obviously all been brainwashed by the media, have a little pride, it is what our forefathers fought for, freedom against fascist leaders, which is what we have all got today. The leaders in Westminster are all communist extremists, much more dangerous than a nationalist. Be afraid, be very afraid!!!!

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 21:57:45

Daniel rober, I didn't bring colour into the question. We Britons are Europeans and were until the late 1940's. Some may resent this fact but that doesn't change it. I wouldn't denounce anybody for being black, white ect because race goes far deeper than skin colour. Infact, that is the least difference.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 22:06:23

198 - Thank you. I thought he deserved to have his gibberish exposed as exactly that - gibberish.

I don't think for 2 seconds in reality the BNP and Tories have much in common apart from right wing leanings. As much as I dislike the Tories I wouldn't really suggest they'd stoop as low as getting into bed with the BNP.

199 - Jeez, now we're bringing communism into this. Why do you BNP types think this is a 1930s battle between fascism and communism in Germany? Get with the times it isn't. Many folk opposed to the BNPs policies have openly stated it is a voters democratic right to vote for the BNP. That's certainly what I've been saying. Equally it's my democratic right to speak out against them.

I am neither proud nor ashamed of being white because to me that is secondary. I don't give a flying monkeys what colour someone's skin is.

In fact, what I do dispise is the BNP telling me in the unlikely event of them ever getting into power that I am not allowed to have children or get married to someone of a different race. What gives them the right?

Face it BNP types. You say you want to preserve a white bloodline in a family which goes back to prehistory - well that just smacks of racist claptrap. How can you be sure that elsewhere down your family line there hasn't been interracial breeding. In fact it's a fact of life. From the days of vikings and before people have been moving around the planet and mixing the gene pool about. There's no such thing as a 100% caucasian Briton now, and probably hasn't been since the day of the vikings.

In fact while we're at it, let's implement repatriation of whites from South Africa, Zimbabwe, USA, New Zealand and Australia. Let's force them all back into the UK and allow the indigenous populations of those countries to take those countries back. I'm sure the aboriginies and native americans would be thrilled with all that new space to play with.

I wonder where we'd put all these new UK

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:11:24

Jt fae Cardiff. You say that the BNP stir-up hatred but doesn't the SNP also do that by blaming everything that is wrong in Scotland on "that lot down there". Personally, I think that we all benefit from each other's political influence. Scotland benefits from England's slightly more 'Right-wing' stance in politics and we benefit from Scotland's more left-wing leanings. If you were 'independent' England would be permanently ruled by the Tories most probably and that wouldn't do us any good. After all, a change of government can do some good in some instances. Have you seen their loony transport policies for example?


If you become 'independent' in Europe, then aren't you denying a choice of national identity to those in Scotland who still consider themselves to be British?

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:15:53

Daniel rober, you know exactly what I was referring to. We Britons are Europeans ie whites. What is wrong with saying this? By the way, you accuse me of using out of date language but I'm not old.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 22:16:48

#194

Actually, joining the Euro would be decided in a referendum if you cared to read their policy on it.

#204

Please can you support your claim of the SNP blaming Scotland's problems on the English.

Secondly, you say making Scotland independent would deny the choice of those who wish to call themselves British - but this argument can be used of any government, of any policy and of any belief. Could one not also make the case that implementing compulsory national service denies others the rights of not wishing to participate? Could it not also be the case that banning immigration denies the rights of those that wish to have free-immigration? Could it not also be the case the BNP wishing to implement a controlled market rather than a free one in our economy could infringe upon the rights of those that wish to create a free-market?

The buck has to stop somewhere.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 22:18:25

Not all Europeans are white. Caucasians are white - but Europeans are not an ethnic group, they are a political region or a name for the people that live within a region. One can be Chinese, but the ethnic groups are Manchurian, Han and Tibetan (amongst others).

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:25:14

Colin, Edinburgh, what about the SNP's policy on the EU. Would that also be decided about in a referendum? It is my understanding that they believe an 'independent' Scotland would simply remain in the EU.


Surely compulsory military service isn't in the same league as forcing someone to change what they believe their national identity is?

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 22:27:19

204

No the SNP don't do that. There's no stirring up of hatred by "that lot down there" and if you can find any quotes from the SNP which show this I'd be most interested to see your source.

Simply what the SNP want is home rule. Not blaming the English for anything - more like trusting ourselves to run our own affairs and make our own decisions. How that is stirring hatred I don't know.

If, as is possible, the Tories win the next UK General Election it will be after winning most seats in England but probably one or zero in Scotland. Scotland in the main doesn't want to be governed like that.

As for your final point, we won't be denying a choice for those who call themselves British. Independence will come only after a Yes vote at an open referendum. Not before. If the people vote No, then Scotland carries on with the SNP trying to govern to the best of thier abilities under the current arrangements.

The party who REALLY want to deny the people choice in Scottish/British are in fact the ironically named Liberal Democrats, but that's a whole new argument for another day.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:34:05

The SNP often use the word 'London' whenever they say there is a problem in Scotland. They don't need to use such a term because in many cases it will be inaccurate and by using it constantly they will only encourage those people in Scotland who genuinely if mistakenly believe that all the problems in Scotland can be blamed on who they refer to as 'the English'.

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MikeXL,

Edinburgh 13/04/2007 22:38:15

Just watched the BNP party political broadcast and it was hilarious, badly filmed and badly edited, my favourite bit was the brasseye style bit where he was standing looking like a cross between a gormless bond badguy and a cheshire cat holding a crap CG globe, claiming that Scotland has given more to the world than it has taken from it, he obviously doesn't recognise the fact that we were active participants in the spread of the British Empire which took plenty from the world.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 22:39:13

#208

No, it is much worse - because anyone can choose their national identity, since Britain refers to an state or an island, not a nation.

Secondly, compulsory military service is much, much worse. Since it results in a total removal of freedom by the state - especially since the BNP's policy is to remove the rights to vote of those who opposed. I would find myself in prison sooner than I would find myself in any army barracks. In the BNP's case you are actively forcing something upon individuals, whilst in the SNP's, or Gandhi's or Simon Bolivar's or George Washington's case, one is not forcing an individual to be something they do not wish to be - it is merely concerning the system of government - not the rights of the individual.

Separation from the UK, as the SNP have made clear on many occasions, refers to a change in the system of government - not along some xenophobic 'old-nationalistic' lines, like the BNP are advocating (especially with their opposition to the free-market, free-immigration - which ties into their opposition to the free-market - and as a result their opposition to individual liberties and freedoms - especially with their military service promise).

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:40:30

It would be better if the governing party in Britain had representation all over the United Kingdom I agree. If the Tories did win, then they would have a right to govern the United Kingdom as a whole even if they only had minimum representation in some parts of it.


I have to disabuse you of the notion that the SNP want home rule. They don't. They want 'independence in Europe' (really, the EU). I don't mean to sound pedantic but that is their actual policy.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:42:36

Colin, Edinburgh, the SNP supports mass immigration because despite what they claim themselves to be they AREN'T nationalists. This policy stance on theirs proves it. They are just civic separatists.

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JT fae Cardiff,

13/04/2007 22:43:29

210

I can easily understand why some SNP statements may sound like they're blaming the English if not properly read.

The SNP don't blame England or the English. In fact the stance is "Scotland is a great country and a great place to live, but it could be so much better if we had the powers to deliver real change." That's a direct quote. Seems quite positive to me, instead of being overly negative.

In fact, if you read it closely the UNION is blamed for things which stand in the way of Scotland realising it's full potential. Not, England - the Union, of which Scotland is a constituent part. The SNP want dissolution of the Union, and believe England and Scotland can both benefit from this.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 22:44:04

#210

London refers to the Westminster government (another word which they have often used) not the people of said place, unlike you who does blame Britain's problems on people from other countries.

Secondly, they do not blame Westminster for all the problems - as they have made clear many times in the past, they do not wish to make the negative argument, instead they wish to show how they can lead Scotland, not put anyone else down. Furthermore they have made many television appearances showing how separation would benefit England and English democracy.

I am no blind SNP support, by any means. But I feel that cutting the size of government and red take (as I have previously stated) is very important. As is allowing the spread of the free-market and freedom through liberty - which are supported by the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, although I will vote for neither of these because of other policies of theirs I disagree with.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:47:37

Daniel rober, I said I was young and not old.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 22:49:07

#215

Being civic separatists is a much more appealing thing than a 'nationalist', because of all the negativity it garners. As I have said, I support separation only on utilitarian grounds and not on pride or nationalistic grounds. Furthermore, they support mass immigration because it is what is best for the declining population of Scotland and immigration has provided a 3% boost in the Scottish economy since 2005. Any person who wished what was best for their country would not oppose such a policy.

Furthermore, free-immigration allows a free-market and it allows for a free people.

I would like to ask you a question, why you think it is okay for the rest of the UK to 'impose' trident, or a Conservative government in Scotland, but it is not okay for Scotland to provide freedom of choice to its own people? Ultimately I would wish that government be reduced to the individual as much as is possible, and you seem to be the total antithesis of this view, with your enforcement policies on what people can and cannot do with their time, their earned wealth and what companies can and cannot do with their labour.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 22:49:24

The SNP are Unionists - EU Unionists.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 22:57:40

#220

Why do you keep commenting on that; again and again and again.

Just because you say you are not trying to be pedantic does not mean you are not being pedantic...

I still do not see what the SNP's policy on the EU has to do with BNP authoritarianism and the BNP title of this article. I still do not see why you see a constant need to attack the SNP in order to attempt to defend the BNP.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 23:01:23

So you are now admitting that the SNP AREN'T nationalists. Shouldn't the SNP now change their name and simply state they are the SSP - ie the Scottish Separatist Party? You say you support free immigration but at what point does this become too much?


Trident is potentialy protecting the people of Scotland as it is us. The only reason why it is in Scotland and not anywhere else in the United Kingdom is because you have sea lochs that provide an ideal base for it. If there were such places elsewhere in the United Kingdom, then it might well have been placed there. I can put my hand on my heart and say I would have no objection to it near me.

Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom and a very valued part I may add so the UK government does have a right to site nuclear weapons in Scotland.


If it had been up to me, I wouldn't have created the Scottish Parliament but instead have given Scotland and Wales parity with England in the number of your MPs in Westminster.

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Essex 13/04/2007 23:03:31

Colin, Edinburgh, I was only trying to put across to those who mistakenly believe that the SNP want independence for Scotland when that isn't their actual policy as their stance on the EU proves.

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 23:17:36

Firstly, you 225 post. I have no problems with this, since my support is not totally with the SNP and not totally with the EU either (I would prefer it to be just a trading block than what it currently is). I support independence on grounds of utility, and it seems that the SNP are the only possible method of getting this.

Now for 224. I never admitted or said anything of the sort - I merely pointed out what I personally would prefer. Separation rather than nationalism. The SNP can define and call itself whatever it wishes - it is up to them.

I don't understand your next comment on immigration, I would like you to expand upon it. If you are saying that we could have a huge influx of immigrants until the country is burgeoning at the seams, then I reject that notion. The market will decide and if we do not provide handouts like we currently do it prevents people moving to a nation for no other reason but to scrounge from its resources.

As for your defense of trident. I think the will of the vast majority of the people should come before the utility of finding a location for keeping trident. Trident could also be kept in an artificial harbour somewhere near your home if you wished it to be there (I'm being pedantic of course). However, if you feel trident is so important, then I'm sure the rest of the UK would be more than happy to construct a deep water port for an extortionate cost just to keep you safe with a system that only 8 out of 193 countries possess.

I compliment your sentiments about Scotland and its role in the UK - and I'm sure every part of the UK plays an important role, however, my argument for separation (which I will reiterate) is not on nationalist grounds, but on utilitarian ones. However, your line of reasoning here leaves a lot to be desired. If we are such a valuable part of the UK, why do we have this value 'rewarded' by the placement of trident in our waters? I don't really understand what you are getting at here. Fur

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 23:23:22

Also, a more utilitarian argument against trident (ignoring other utilitarian and moral arguments for the time being). the 25 billion should (and must) be spent on reducing the national debt, not on military - or most other - funding. Reducing and removing the debt is one of the keys to the UK's prosperity.

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Fel,

Glasgow 13/04/2007 23:29:07

The hysterical banner about "race riots" and BNP are becoming a bit ridiculous, even the attempt to implicate a horrible attack on a woman and her little baby with the BNP is typical Leftist lies.

These yobs are flourishing in Scotland and elsewhere in case the anti BNPers hadn't noticed...and its the Old Gang who're in charge in the Tartan Talking Shop! Hug a hoodie, love a ned or in the case of the SSP..dont hurt their feelings by calling them neds!
Visit any area on a Friday night and witness feral gangs terrorise the residents, what do we get?
ABSO's or some wimp with a serious frown and dribble on his shirt talking about "getting tough on crime".
We've had this from the same crowd, shackled by the same EU rules for years and nothing changes.

The SNP have smelled the trough in Brussels and want a bit of it. They want us out of Britain and into Europe. No thanks.
I'll be using the two of my votes for the BNP because I want a halt to ghetto immigration that doesn't "enrich" but depresses.
Public services which serve the public that founded and paid for them and schools which can teach in the mother tongue without an army of translators.
I'd also like to see the police get back to doing what they joined for, namely protecting life and property and not colour blind as they are in Glasgow in "Asian" areas.
I dont even care if the BNP get in, I hope the protest votes are recognised by this shower of chancers who are now pole dancing for our votes.
Have YOU seen any of them in the last four years?

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ColinEdin,

13/04/2007 23:47:33

#229

Why do you seek to call all those who oppose the BNP as leftists or lefties? What about libertarians like myself who support the free-market, free-immigration and the protection of our civil liberties. All of which I do not wish to see disappear under the BNP.

I have actually seen my MP and my MSP in the last four years. Both of the Liberal Democrats. Suffice to say, I will not be voting for them - but I have seen no BNP members either, so I fail to see your point.

I find your statements about the police protecting us a bit odd. Yes the police do protect, to a limited extent, but most of what the police actually do is solve crimes ones they actually happen (or attempt to solve as the case may be). You will also be happy to learn that if you take the government to court to sue them for failing to protect you, the law courts will produce a nice piece of legislation that says the government is not actually here to protect you. Makes you wonder what we are all paying our taxes for, does it not?!

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Tennscot,

Tenn., 14/04/2007 01:23:18

I do not intend to post back and forth with the dozen or so posters who have filled most of the over 200 posts. What i would like to say, Most of you do not seem to remember that Scotland has always had a good number of Polish People living, working and defending this country over the last hundred years. Check how many Poles are on the "Parrish" Scots born or otherwise. They proudly assimilated into the community ,Probably before half of the posters were born.

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Angus Lindsay,

Hong Kong 14/04/2007 02:07:35

Barry Donald Scarfe, Essex has clearly been despatched north to tell the craven Scotch how it is from the BNP window of opportunity.

I have seen all sides of the argument on this site and appreciate everybody's views even if I violently disagree with some of the more off-the-wall.

Nonetheless, it's good that people can air their differences. However, I have a question for the BNP spokesman, Barry D S: What is your party's take on the fact that I (and no doubt many more), a proud Scotsman, have a partner whose skin isn't white like mine, but whose heart and soul are pure gold? My partner is a proud Chinese lady with more university degrees and intellect than the BNP can summon hate mail. Will she be welcome in the BNP's United Pinkdom? Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.

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Green Arrow,

South Wales 14/04/2007 09:05:57

232 - Angus

I am ex Royal Navy and served in Hong Kong and Singapore. I think that the Chinese people are fantastic - obviously I do not know them all:) But the ones I worked with and dated were great.

If they live in this Country legally, then they are British Citizens and I would defend their right to stay here.

The B.N.P. does not hate anyone - if it did I would not support it.

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Helena C,

UK 14/04/2007 10:18:38

Re 231

You make an excellent point about Poles who have contributed to and assimilated into Scotland. Since the war the Polish community has thrived and become part of the land. The reason for this is similar culture and a willingness to become part of the host community.
This is NOT the case with some other immigrants, who refuse to give up the trappings of cultures supposedly so terrible they fled from them.
These people do not integrate, and show no desire to.
To the Libertarian from Edinburgh, your theories are lovely. The idea of us all moving in and out of each others houses, staying a while but leaving nothing but footprints and happy memories is very appealing, its also just a tad naive.
A world without borders, even if only at my front door is a dangerous place.
You may visit, enjoy then take those memories home leaving my little patch, the place I've worked for, as good as you found it.
I and many others have found that the only party listening to my territorial concerns are the BNP.
I'd be mad to allow the Old Gang of backslappers and handshakers any more unopposed time.

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Mario Antoinette aka lots of things,

14/04/2007 10:55:01

Oh well , The BNP will always attract a few Helena.

But never enough. Their stomping ground in Scotland is the council estates, amongst the ones there who are ignorant and lazy and who have no appreciation of history.

They will use any old tired and confused conjecture to try and convince you they are actually the good guys. They probably got beaten up at school , or were the bullies and cant face life as adults as also rans.

This garabage is well documented, in short many of them have mental problems.

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frank mcbride,

alba 14/04/2007 11:16:20

#180 Barry Donald Scarfe

The SNP position on citizenship following the reinstitution of the sovereign state of Scotland is that all those living in Scotland at that point & all those of the Scottish diaspora will be entitled to citizenship.

I am aware that this is likely to produce a tirade of xenophobic responses. Fortunately I have every confidence in the vast majority of the people of Scotland to see such a response for what it's worth.

THE RANTINGS AND RAVINGS OF ON AN ILL INFORMED, INTOLLERANT ORGANISATION WHICH MIMICS IN POLICY AND PRESENTATION THE AGENDA OF HITLER'S NAZIS AND LE PEN'S NF.

Vote SNP - 1st, 2nd, 3rd on 3 May

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ColinEdin,

14/04/2007 12:29:11

#234

Yet you provide no fact, figures or statistics to refute me...

Immigrants have increased the UK economy by 3%, so I would like to ask you how you would intend to plug this gap by stemming immigration. Bear in mind that 3% amounts to billions of pounds.

My system has been shown to work. There have been many countries that have implemented libertarian principles. A most notable example would be America under the stewardship of its founding fathers - something which has resulted in America being the richest nation on the planet. My ideas have been tried, tested and have been proven to work. Yours, on the other hand, have been tried, tested and shown not to work. We have seen what protectionism and socialism can lead to - it is called Mussolini's Italy, Hirohito's Japan or Franco's Spain. They result in a a curbing of liberties, a stagnation of the economy and rampant, stagnant socialism (which the BNP's extreme left-wing and protectionist economic policies would amount to).

P.S. the state-individual analogy has been used before, by none other than Plato 2,500 years ago. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.

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voteBNP,

Edinburgh 14/04/2007 13:10:48

#234
"Immigrants have increased the UK economy by 3%..."

You are wrong. Please go to the "Migration Watch" website and read about "immigration myths".
If you want to learn about "a curbing of liberties" then go to the "Civil Liberty" website.

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ColinEdin,

14/04/2007 13:25:31

#238

I do not doubt that civil liberties have been curbed under Labour and under any oither party - however, I know for a fact that the BNP would curb them more than any other party. So much so, that the BNP in government would result in the loss of my right to vote - since I would not accept compulsory national service. This is a bigger curb on civil liberties than any of the other parties is proposing. Furthermore, the control of who businesses do and do not hire is another such curb under the BNP.

As to your claims about immigration creating adding 3% to the UK economy, these are the figures of the Home office and according to immigration watch, are the same figures that they use in their data. Their own FAQ, especially the second question about the benefits of immigration is a complete lie. Even if immigrants only accounted for 0.01% (according to their website) then this still accounts for 20 billion in an economy of 2 trillion (in the case of the UK). Furthermore, this website seems obsessed with the tax revenue of immigration - this should not be the biggest concern of such a website, it should be what wealth immigration actually produces, since taxation is not actually wealth production. Taxation does not create jobs that produce anything, they only consume. With the vast majority of immigrants working in the private sector, this is why they result in a net benefit to the UK economy.

Furthermore, quoting websites does not prove your case, since I can quote a whole plethora of websites against you.

I would also like to ask you how you would plug any work gaps once immigration was curbed and how you would prevent companies from moving abroad to find labour that would be in short supply in the United Kingdom.

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Heydon,

UK 14/04/2007 13:53:13

'Most of us hate what the BNP stands for' says Paul at Post 18.

That is total nonsense. According to an opinion poll conducted by Sky News recently (this can be accessed on their website) a majority of people actually agree with the BNP stance on race, immigration and related matters.

It would be correct to say that a majority of those in the potical elites hate the BNP however. These people are competely out of touch with ordinary people, and do their best to suppress alternative views.

People prefer others of their own kind. racially and culturally. This simple fact has been one of the prime dynamics of human beings since time began. To try to ingnore it politically and to vilify those who point it out, is plain evil, because it can only be done with an unacceptable level of oppression involving the denial of freedom of speech, association and other choices.

Scotland would not exist in any recognisable form, would not have its history and culture; would not have made the contribution to the world that it has done, if those who advocate mass immigration had had their way in the past.

Those who now advocate a borderless world are saying in effect that they care nothing for their own people, culture religion or indeed anything else about Scotland. How foolish and ignorant they are! Well meaning of course, but foolish nevertheless.

Our fathers and grandfathers fought and died in two world wars so that the British could go forward in the land of their ancestors unmolested by invasion. We owe it to their sacrifice to maintain the identity, culture and traditions of Scotland as they wished, remembering that without it we would have nothing.

Incidentaly, in reply to a previous post, the USA was founded as a European, protestant country, somethng the founding fathers were well aware of. Now it is being multiculturalised, it is in the process of break up with the hispanicised southern states likely to hive off. Read Presidenti

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ColinEdin,

14/04/2007 14:12:49

I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post, since it wasn't directed at me and since it contains mostly your opinion and my opinion is distinctly opposite. I could quite easily call you foolish, protectionist and economy destroying, but I will leave that behind for the sake of replying to one specific point in your post - your reply to me about the founding of the USA.

The United States was not founded as a protestant country. The founding fathers were well aware of the problems that religious division can cause and made specifically to create a secular nation. Can I ask you why the founding fathers would create separation of church and state if, according to you, they founded the united states a protestant nation? Indeed, Jefferson, the one who wrote the declaration of independence would later write in the Treaty of Tripoli that:

"...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

Can I then ask you where your ties to America and Europe come from, since no European nation at this time had separation of Church and state? If you are calling them demographically European, then this is true - however, politically, they were quite distinct from anything so far seen in Europe.

I may also then ask why you see Hispanic immigration into the USA as a problem, since Hispanics would be of European descent also - if you are indeed referring to the original Americans as being ethnically European rather than politically European (the latter I believe you have absolutely no case for).

I also find it funny how you quote books defending your views on the USA. I can do exactly the same. However, I can also quote writings of the actual founding fathers themselves. Perhaps you would care to read 'The Age of Reason' by Thomas Paine or 'The Jefferson Bible'?

Jefferson is very famous for saying some pretty anti-Christian things, and we all know that Washington actually detested

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Helena C,

UK 14/04/2007 14:32:03

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Heres a novel idea Colin, how about training our own young people?
We could reinstate the apprentice scheme instead of pretending every young person is a candidate for some polytechnic dressed up as a University?
We could even fund that through our taxes?

I refuse to believe we dont have enough able bodied people currently languishing on benefits who could fill these essential service industry jobs you talk about. That of course is another issue, we have to stop the culture of the "professional poor" so ably managed by successive Socialist meddling and the craven refusal of other parties to sort out. generations of claimants but non participants.

Then when all those productive people are doing a fair days work for a fair days pay we can take skilled migrants who actually are needed and contribute.
I dont blame anyone for trying to get a better life through immigration but surely limits have to set where the host nation benefits?
Its never mentioned that these "essential" immigrants will also grow old and need pensions not to mention health and social care.
The importing of votes..(because thats what it is ) is a tried and tested Socialist trick and no I'm not accusing you of being a Socialist, I never use that kind of language to anyone, especially a stranger!

I believe in Freedom of thought and speech I just wish the same courtesy was extended by those whose neck veins throb in righteous indignation at the mention of the BNP.
The system as it stands over the last few decades created support for them, now they have to live with them.

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worlass,

Border 14/04/2007 15:45:23

Why all the paranoa re the BNP candidates in Scotland,if the voters don't agree with them then the voters will not vote for them,ipso facto,or are a lot of the electorate frightened to unearth that "racism" is alive and well in Scotland?
I have witnessed such an emotion against the English,or does that not count as "racism"? and thats without mentioning "sectarianism".
If only you could see yourselve as others see you!

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ColinEdin,

14/04/2007 15:46:39

I'm actually a libertarian. You do realise that the BNP's own economic policies amount to protectionism and planning - two of the main options that socialist economics tend to wish for. For a libertarian like myself the BNP's economic policies appear far more socialist than the Labour party or the Conservative party. I would suggest you take a look at the political compass page to see where the parties stand in terms of economic policies:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright

Britain has one of the most educated workforces in the world - we are one of only a handful of countries out of the 193 that has 99% literacy rates. Yet still businesses move away, because this is not what they need.

I also deplore the idea that education has the sole purpose of preparing people for work, education is good for educations sake, not for that of something else.

The host nation also normally always benefits from immigration, except in extreme circumstances (such as mass refugee camps like those seen in Southern Lebanon or Darfur's next door countries). I have repeatedly stated that immigrants in the UK have caused the UK economy to increase by 3%.

I dislike your sentence about skilled migrants contributing - immigrants are far less likely to be on benefits than the 'native' population and UK statistics bear this out.

Furthermore, the UK has not had to pay for immigrants to have an education and as a result this has saved the economy billions. This makes me wonder why you are so reluctant to give immigrants pensions when they create wealth and don't spend as much on public services at the same time (as a demographic group - I'm sure there are those who do use public services, this should be avoided for both the immigrant and native populations).

I must point out, that your accusation of meddling against 'socialists', whilst true, does come to bite yourself as

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

14/04/2007 16:08:33

.Hi All

Just back in from helping another local candidate, Gary Raikes leaflet and canvass up in Turriff, where he is standing as councillor and regional list MSP.
Turriff is a nice small town that used to have a population of just under 4600, of which according to the 2001 census only 1.76% were from outside the UK.
I wonder what the numbers are now as the Amount of East Europeans who have invaded the locality is worrying.
Whilst talking to Locals we heard about young forced out of the town due to lack of housing, while the Poles seem to get council accommodation. The residents it would seem are very worried they are losing their own town, in what boils down to no more than an invasion.
Although unemployment in the town was low, it is moving up, and yet again forcing the local young away from their home in search of work. All while any jobs that do come up are swallowed up by Polish who already have fellow countrymen working at the places advertising.
The main other parties in what must be some cross party collaboration have all neglected to bring up the issue of immigration and are overlooking the fact that most people want it stopped.
The response from people to the BNP has been very encouraging, they are realising that we are not what the gutter press say we are, but are just pro local people first.
Much the same as we would expect any other Government to treat their own people.
I know any response I post on here is usually given contempt.
But if given the chance to be a councillor I would work even harder for the people that are against us, too show that a BNP councillor do care about ALL the local people.
From my last posts many know me to be honest and to even hold my hand up when I don’t know something. But I do know what the people on the street are feeling and what their worries are.

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Aberdeen Group Organiser,

14/04/2007 18:19:12

Angus Lindsay, Hong Kong / 3:07am 14 Apr 2007

Angus no worries the BNP don’t hate anyone and Marriage, genuine love is genuine love. Perhaps you could come back to the UK and be an example of a good steady family.
I have Indian friends my best mate in the Army was a chap called Bob Hamilton (Dundee) lets just say he called me Whitey as to his ethnic background.
We are against mass migration, none genuine cases of asylum, health migrants, and those who force their culture, on to us and mean us harm. And migrants should not enter the country at the expense of locals.
I am sure when you go to China you adopt the local customs, and I am sure if mass migration into China was to happen from anywhere at the expense of local people, the locals would need someone to champion their cause.
Also if anyone was to subject you and your wife to harassment, or worse as the original paper heading was about, you can be sure that a BNP government would punish the offenders a lot more than the other parties.
I abhor delinquent scum that carried out this attack, I make no apologies for using such strong language, and maybe our politicians should do likewise. I joined the Army to protect the weak and innocent, it also made me very proud of my Nation and Britain. Most soldiers would love to meet the tough guys who carried out this act just for five minutes. God our society is a mess, where is the Police, and even if they get caught they get a slap on the wrist, sentence then a Tele and Play station.

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Heydon,

14/04/2007 20:12:40

In reply to ColinEd. I am well aware of the intentions of those who drew up the Constituion of the USA. The fact remains that the USA was founded as, and until very recently remained, a North European, Protestant country, because that was the character of its inhabitants. When the founding fathers separated religion and church and state, it was Christianity they had in mind, not, say, islam. Furthermore, until within my lifetime the USA was at pains to keep its population of European extraction.

Atheist tend to believe in the equality of Man (meaning actual equality) because they have to believe in something, and this belief is a subsitute religion for them. This explains the hysteria they use when any one comes up with a heresy denying their fundamental beliefs. Even science is denied when it shows results (eg IQ tests) which oppose their belief, in a manner which outdoes the Pope and Galileo. As it happens, Blacks in white societies have IQs some 15 points below that of whites, (In sub Saharan Africa the average IQ is 70), South Asians also have much lower IQs as do Hispanics. Oriental have IQs some 3-5 points above whites. Ashkenazi Jews have average IQs if 113. Whites' IQ is 100.

Though some have European blood ('mestizos') Mexican Hispanics are not of European origin, they are racially native american. They now comprise a majority of the population of 'Texas and and if not already, then very soon, will be a majority in Califiornia also. They consider themselves Mexicans, not Americans, speak Spanish and lead parallel lives to white (and black) Americans. Due to unrestricted immigration theyare growing rapidly in numbers, It is anticipated that the Southern States of America will become part of Mexico in the forseeable future. Multiculturalism is a disaster for the USA. as it is in this country, which, because of immigration will , according to an Oxford demographer, become a majority Islamic state in the lifetimes of our children now at primary

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last man standing,

edinburgh 14/04/2007 21:48:13

When the media start using shock tactic headlines its always a sign that there are worried backers lurking somehere in the shadows, thankfully most people these days have become immune to the lies and spin. I find it quite ironic really, as I am sure the headline is meant to imply that vicious Nazi thugs will now go round targeting immigrants, when in actual fact if you are white you have a far greater chance of being a victim of a racist attack. Please remember Kris Donald...oops that wasnt a racist attack in the eyes of the media and the criminal left was it?..just a misunderstanding of course!. I have noticed the first few comments were suspiciously well informed about apparent BNP misdemeanours, although of course dressed up to look just like Joe Bloggs posting, this wasnt the undemocratic and spitefull work of those bastions of decency good manners and etiquette was it ? Now I hear you all asking who I could be refering to in such honey'd tones, well those upstanding and eloquent UAF guys and gals of course (hope they dont take offence at my refering to them as guys and gals, it being difficult to tell with them most of the time lol!). I had to laugh at the posts by Mike XL, (or is that Malcolm X??), a mouthpiece for an organisation funded by the Muslim Council of Britain, thats right , the UAF, predominately white middle class university kids with little real knowledge of the ways of the world, led by sinister Svengalis like Gery Gable egging them on . Do they not realise that their bankrollers consider them to be "Dhimmis"- unbelievers in the servitude of their masters?, or traitors to you and I. Me? I am just a working family man, so sick and tired of the way the system in this country panders to every incomer, and yet nails us to the floor, deeply concered for my childrens future, from them being fed halal meat at school by stealth, to being worried that by the time they grow up there will be no jobs, nor blade of grass left due to housing be

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last man standing,

edinburgh 14/04/2007 22:27:32

Mikey boy (XL of course!), You are so full of venom, so come on debate with a lower caste like myself, so you think that todays Britain is utopia?, well come on, yes or no?... the proof of your judgement will be in your answer!. And if not, what do you suggest, as an obvious expert on these matters, gleened from you time with the "Smash the Fash" lads no doubt, he he. I am building up a mental picture of you Mikey, you are very obvious an elite kinda guy, so what is it?, will we survive as a viable country for decent folk to live in, for our kids to grow up, for our elderly to feel safe, do these things even matter to someone as XL as yourself?. Do you think the recent spate of shootings in London are just a passing phase?..or will they move up here?, what about the numerous attacks on pensioners that are another symptom of the disease affecting this country, not matter to you?..WELL IT DOES TO ME!. The BNP are here to stay, in the wards they stand if they dont win outright they are usually the second party, way above the Lib Dems or minows like UKIP. If they are so unpopular why are the three "allowed" parties forming coalitions to keep them out??, or perhaps we should be asking why they are doing it, scared of their day of atonement perhaps?. Rational debate please Mikey boy, and I dont want to hear all the stuff you have been indoctrinated with, your views only please, thats if you have any lol.

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Oildrum,

Hartlepool 08/04/2008 18:46:32
Germany was making a stand against communism, the reds were taking over and opressing by force the whole of Europe. The German people looked on Britain as their friends, we declared war on them for taking over Poland, to stop Russia taking it, we attacked them, and backed stalin. We are in the same position now being taken over and opressed by European Communists.

 

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