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Hearts smokescreen clears but gloom lingers



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Published Date: 05 December 2008
SLOWLY and steadily, the truth is emerging about the cause of Hearts' recent financial difficulties. The smokescreen is clearing, and the real picture is becoming discernible.
There is no detail in that picture which will have a reassuring effect on supporters of the club. Instead, the grounds for genuine concern are growing by the day.

It has been known for years that Hearts as an independent entity were not viable. Th
e debts which mounted up under the former chief executive Chris Robinson made sure of that.

But, since Vladimir Romanov bought Robinson out, and his Ukio Bankas Investment Group (Ubig) took Hearts over, the club's debts, large though they were, did not present an acute problem.

Robinson's "solution" to the debt was to sell Tynecastle: Romanov cancelled that sale, and presented Ubig as a benevolent parent company who would help the football team grow.

For as long as Ubig was able to bring in substantial sums from other parts of its operations, that was a plausible vision, even if the Kaunas-based businessman sometimes became too fanciful in his assessment of how big Hearts could become. If Ubig were ever to run into difficulties of its own, however, it was obvious that Hearts would again have serious problems to face.

It is too early to form an accurate assessment of how serious the problems now facing Ubig have become. But there is no longer any doubt that these problems are real, and could be growing. Even Hearts' employees no longer feel able to tell themselves – never mind the outside world – that the club's recent inability to pay staff has been caused by a technical hitch. Such an explanation is simply no longer credible.

In September, when players and administrative staff were paid late, Hearts' various spokespeople blamed a blip; and last week the failure to pay players was supposedly down to a glitch. Yesterday, when it emerged that up to half a dozen players had not been paid along with their team-mates on Monday, there was no attempt to write the matter off as a quirk.

No, it's not the fault of Halifax Bank of Scotland. Hearts do have a current account with Hbos, and until recently that was the source of players' weekly wages and the staff's salaries. But the recent non-payment problems did not arise from within the bank's august headquarters in central Edinburgh. And no, it's not got anything to do with the hold-ups which sometimes arise in currency transfers. If last Friday's non-payment was just caused by a flaw which could be ironed out in a day or two, there would have been no need for Anatoly Korobochka, Hearts' sport director, to open talks with some of the club's highest earners and persuade them to accept a deferral of their wages.

It does not take a genius to deduce that the cause is a cash-flow problem. When the global economy has undergone a liquidity crisis which at one point became so sever that President Bush declared "This sucker could go down", it would be a major surprise if a financial group like Ubig were to be immune from it all.

There's no disgrace in feeling harder up than you were: we're all in this together, after all. But Hearts have found it extremely hard to admit that they and Ubig exist in the same, real world as the rest of us.

On Saturday, after it emerged that the players had gone unpaid for a second time, the club released a short statement to say that the matter would be resolved on Monday. On Monday, there was a second short statement which said that the players had been paid.

"As announced earlier, players' wages were processed on Friday and the money has reached their accounts this afternoon as agreed," the statement read, with a certain air of "told you so". They said they would do something, and they had duly delivered, was the implication. Only it wasn't true.

For some six players, the reality was that no money reached their accounts. All they got was a promise that they'd receive the money as soon as possible. It may be hard to feel sympathy for sportsmen who go a week or two without receiving what many believe are grossly inflated wages, but this is not about Bruno Aguiar, Christos Karipidis or the other unpaid players as individuals. It's about the potential longer-term impact on the club as a whole.

It was the highest earners who were asked to take a deferral, as the ones who could most afford it. If the situation gets worse, it could affect people whose savings, if they exist at all in these debt-ridden times, are far smaller. In other words, failure to pay six relatively well-off men could be the thin end of the wedge.

Unless Ubig's fortunes pick up dramatically, and in the present economic climate that seems unlikely, Hearts will at the very least have to start generating some revenue of their own, and forget about their former dreams of being funded in perpetuity by a football-mad Baltic businessman. Short-term funding is now such a problem that they are possibly reliant on retail sales over the Christmas period to tide them over.

The two January matches against Hibs are also signs of hope for enhanced revenue. And then there is next month's transfer window, when the club hope to sell at least one of their bigger names, with Laryea Kingston looking like the favourite – only which other club, knowing the parlous position in which Hearts find themselves, would offer top dollar for Kingston or anyone else?



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  • Last Updated: 05 December 2008 9:18 AM
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1

Nellie Rogers,

studying bus time tables 05/12/2008 00:16:31
The blame for all this mess rests firmly with the tram system.
Get rid off them now. They're evil I tells ya, evil!
2

Nellie Rogers,

still studying bus time tables 05/12/2008 00:17:40
Evil evil evil
3

mon-the-hertz,

Glasgow - Southside 05/12/2008 00:40:46
Ah well. We had some good times:-(
4

jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 05/12/2008 00:46:23
Another piece of nonsense/no news from the prat Bathgate.A total phuud
5

StockportJambo,

05/12/2008 00:53:41
"It does not take a genius to deduce..."

That's you ruled out then Bathgate.

What a completely pointless story. Facts!?!? Who have you actually *spoken* to about this? Aside from the buffoon Foulkes, who has as much idea of what's going on at Hearts as the rest of us.

Explain please how you believe that UBIG (a company who posted record profits as recently as September) is in financial difficulties, and that this is the reason for the delay in players' wages.

6

Ayegudyin,

05/12/2008 01:15:41
#5 what will it take for people like you to step away from your denial? its almost painful to see you come on here and get angry at the journalists who spell it out clear as day... your club is on the edge of collapse. The more people chose to ignore this, the quicker it will fall apart.
7

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05/12/2008 01:16:41
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Ex-Pat Stanton,

Melbourne 05/12/2008 02:03:44
I have been trying to keep out of the bun fight this has become on these threads but the utter stupidity of two posters already finds me compelled to say something.

#4, Nonsense??? 6 of your players, the ones that are paid the kind of wages the sort of players you would want to attract to your club, have gone unpaid upon a promise tantamount to an IOU...
No story??? Are you feeling alright? This is highly worrying for Hearts, and looks to anyone with even half a brain as a very big story.

After all is said and done here, if it looks, feels, and smells like it, it is it, TWICE!!! and then some...

#5, This is your alarm call, I'm vcalling to tell you that it is nowq time to be alarmed about the financial situation at you team. Regardless of the nuffnuffs that cry 'admin' every 5 minutes. Your club CANNOT afford to pay its players properly... Do you think anyone in their right mind is about to sign for you in Jan? Do you think there will not be an orderly queue at the door waiting for the first offer to come the way of the best players you have???

Get a grip man, your club, while not gonig under is most definately going down the gurgler...

Still, you have won the big cup 4 times in the last 100 years so it cant be all bad.
9

Ex-Pat Stanton,

05/12/2008 02:05:23
apologies for errant spelling...
10

Hobo Harry,

05/12/2008 02:55:57
It's not only Bathgate to blame. The following is a small piece pasted from the Guardian.

"Hearts insiders say the club should alleviate problems by selling at least one player during the January transfer window. Bids are understood to already have been received for first-team players including Laryea Kingston, who has interested Portsmouth and Bolton Wanderers. Christophe Berra, Hearts' biggest asset, has been linked with Fulham.

The present scenario will be embarrassing for Vladimir Romanov, who controls both Hearts and UBIG. Documentation passed to the Guardian shows a UBIG director's attempts to offer Hearts hospitality and sponsorship as an alternative to paying a £10,000 bill in Edinburgh."

Oh that's right, it's a newspaper conspiracy

Arf arf arf
11

jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 05/12/2008 03:29:43
Usual hobo drivel.

TOGETHER

MON THE JT'S
12

Ex-Pat Stanton,

Melbourne 05/12/2008 04:27:47
Yes the usual Hobo drivel, that right nothing to see here move along...

Jamtart you really are a hopeless defecator of the highest order...
13

Grangemouth Bear,

05/12/2008 04:28:30
I think most football fans would have some sympathy for Hearts desperate financial plight, if their fans weren't so pig-headed and arrogant. Blaming the journalists for reporting bad news is the stuff of paranoid nonsense. You can only bury your head in the sand for so long before a crab bites your nose and a donkey comes up and rogers you up the bahooky.

And we used to think the Tims were paranoid.
14

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05/12/2008 04:56:26
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The Goose,

edinburgh 05/12/2008 06:09:47
Er, I'm a lifelong Jambo and am, frankly, terrified at the parlous state of the club. While some might not like the tenor of Stuart Bathgate's stories, I can't find any fault in his logic.
Instead of shouting him down through volume rather than reason, perhaps one of my fellow supporters would like to give me some sense of hope?
Could one of those above who been so quick to attack this piece, please deconstruct it and provide me with a more optimistic analysis of the board's failure to pay wages - and, while you're at it, explain to me why we shouldn't be concerned that the bank which holds the sword of Damacles over our club will fall victim to the global crisis which has sent far more robust institutions down the shunky?
Please be quick. I'm hiding under my desk with the wastepaper bin on my head, and will only come out when I think it's safe.
16

StockportJambo,

05/12/2008 06:42:01
#6 - facts, evidence, reason.

If Hearts are in financial difficulties, then that's all the more reason to give us some real info - not supposition. This article is a sht stirrer, and you lot have all fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

Statement later today from HMFC - perhaps we'll get some proper news then.
17

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 05/12/2008 07:06:42
#16, you are having a laugh,PROPER NEWS.LOL
18

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 07:12:13
#16 - a wee bit of friendly advice: wake up and smell the coffee. Your Jambo chum Mr Bathgate (for that is what he is) is gently trying to say it's starting to go horribly wrong at Tynecastle. He's no' kiddin either. As to the cause of it, let me give you a clue: it might be Vlad although dinnae quote me on it.

If I were you, I'd be attempting to mobilise some kind of fan pressure group to unveil the extent of the mess Romanov has put you in.
19

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

Bus to work 05/12/2008 07:26:35
The usual misinformed nonsense from bathgate.

Incidentally anyone who understands basic economics will know that 'cashflow' problems do not mean a lack of cash. It is the liquidity of that cash which has been brought to light.

Anyone who thinks that UBIG or hearts are going under are more stupid than they look.
20

StockportJambo,

05/12/2008 07:33:40
#17 - well, at least informed news based (however loosely) on real facts, rather than Bathgate's imaginary drivel.

#18 - isn't it funny that the doom articles are appearing just as Hearts have won 5 on the trot (including against the establishment team) and sitting 3rd in the League.

When we were 8th, and no threat to anyone, all we saw was neutral or positive articles. Coincidence?

It doesn't take a genius to deduce... blah blah...
21

Nell,

Yawn, Yawn, Yawn 05/12/2008 07:33:43
Bathgate, away and bile yer heid ya sh1te stirring wonker.
22

Tartan Jambo,

05/12/2008 07:42:21
Same as last week, no salaries in players accounts as of 7:30am.
23

petegeneva,

geneva 05/12/2008 07:44:44
don't worry, there is bound to be some "positive" announcement from Gorgie soon. Probably something like a new sponsorship deal (with UKIO or UBIG of course) pumping millions into HoMFC, or a new kit deal with some Lithuanian kit manufacturer that no-one has heard of.
Or possibly an update on the stand.
We'll call it a smokescreen but the believers will swallow it.
And some of them still think HoMFC will be BUYING during the next transfer window?
24

petegeneva,

geneva 05/12/2008 07:46:20
#25 how come you know this? Not doubting you for one moment, just like a cat you know, curious like.
25

Tartan Jambo,

05/12/2008 07:49:01
#27 - You know what happened to the curious cat ;)

Same person who told me last week has told me this week.
26

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 08:01:16
Wasn't it the Scotsman who printed an article recently saying UBIG had just recorded profits and were in a healthy state? Can they enlighten us as to the scale of UBIG's money difficulties now or is this all just based on what's happening to the rest of the economy (not news) and a quote by the most incompetent president of the United States in living memory? When a financial journalist comes up with some decent analysis, I'll start worrying. Until then, starting to pay wages monthly would be a logical course of action and flogging Kingston and a couple of others the next step before any sort of winding up the cub comes into the equation. Sorry Hibees.
27

Hibby,

Highlands 05/12/2008 08:15:53
If this was Hibs who were in this state I would be keeching ma breechs. I'd also be a bit humble! but what do we get from SOME of the Jumbo's on here? We get the usual rear-end numbing arrogance. Your club is deep deep in the mire and all your arrogant words won't change that. Instead of lashing out at the rest of the world get down to Tynecastle and start demanding answers! Whilst I have sympathy with the plight of some of the more humble among you, the others make me just a bit glad that you're getting it tight, and really glad that I'm a Hibby!
28

John H,

edinburgh 05/12/2008 08:17:19
A statement to day from HMFC.
Can and should anyone believe a word of it. Lies, lies and more lies as usual and if what 25 states is correct where do they go from here?


29

Nell,

05/12/2008 08:23:54
No. 24 Tommy tommy:- Its not head in sand mentallity. It's fed up of reading the same sh1te from a very poor journalist. There is nothing new in what Bathgate says that hasn't been said already in the Scotsman. In fact they have posted the same story twice today. As a journalist of a so called respectable newspaper he should not be letting his footballing affiliations influence what should be impartial reporting. He obviously has a problem with Hearts. The Scotsman editor should stop him reporting on any Hearts stories.
30

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 08:26:26
#30 I disagree, I think this is a case of Bathgate and others writing with no facts to hand, as they have been doing for months, and blaming Hearts for this (how many other businesses are expected to release a blow-by-blow account of how they are coping with the global financial meltdown?).

It's not news that Hearts at some point would have to drastically trim the squad in January and at the end of the season - Campbell Ogilvie said as much a few days ago. He pointed to a massive 50% or so cut in wage spending, which we can assume means shipping out all the high earners mentioned above and bringing in youngsters. I'm OK with that. We've still kept Berra and Driver longer than we would have before, and in past years we never would have seen players like Kingston at the club in the first place.

So basically we will more than likely end up doing exactly what Hibs have done - sell an entire team to reduce wages and pay off some debt.

It's statements like this that confuse me - "Hearts will at the very least have to start generating some revenue of their own, and forget about their former dreams of being funded in perpetuity by a football-mad Baltic businessman. "

What is "their own" and "their dreams" given we are owned by said Baltic businessman so any revenue generating schemes and dreams are his as he controls the way the club is funded?

What I would like is an actual analysis of UBIG's finances, which the Scotsman doesn't seem to think is necessary and clarification of whether Webster has aid Hearts yet.


31

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 08:30:12
#31 "Whilst I have sympathy with the plight of some of the more humble among you, the others make me just a bit glad that you're getting it tight, and really glad that I'm a Hibby!"

Were you glad to be a Hibby when your club nearly went to the wall and had to be rescued by a rich businessman, despite "humble" Hibs fans nearly blowing it for their club:

The Scotsman, Sept11, 1998: "TOM O'Malley, the chairman of Hibernian, yesterday accused angry supporters of jeopardising any potential takeover of the struggling Easter Road club. He described verbal attacks on owner Sir Tom Farmer as "an outrage and an insult to the intelligence of all Hibs fans".
32

busbyfh,

05/12/2008 08:33:32
What specific points has Bathgate made - He along with many others is propbably correct but it is an article of re-gurgitated waffle.Nothing fresh here. Bring back BAnderson - He should be Bathgate's boss not the other way around.
33

Silence of the Yams,

05/12/2008 08:36:58
Yams, expect Berra Driver Kingston and Aguiar to be sold in Januray.
34

Down with everything,

05/12/2008 08:39:49
#31
What you have to appreciate is that there are (probably more than) some supporters of both sides guilty of seriously blinkered vision.

Given the secrecy that surrounds the operations of an East European business man there are very few that can accurately predict what is going on inside Vlad's businesses.

I think that a dollop of realism is required, he planned to use his exposure with us to gain respect and potential entry to the British Banking Industry, made a right royal @rse of himself with his chairmanship and f*cked up any chances that he may have had to show business and potential customers that UKIO were a viable option.

One thing that i can guarantee is that when it ends, it will end as abruptly as it came about, hopefully the club will be taken up by another numpty with more cash than sense and we can keep going for a while longer.

No club is immune from the current difficulties and i think that we will see far bigger names than Hearts getting touted around over the next few years.

All IMHO.
35

Hibby,

Highlands 05/12/2008 08:47:37
#37 And what's that got to do with the price of fish? I'm talking about ARROGANCE here and head in the sand beLIEving!
I've always been proud to be a Hibby but I hope I've never displayed the arrorance that some of the Jumbos do on here.
Never mind about the Hibs, get yourself down to Tynecastle and try to save your club!!
36

Big-yin,

Broxburn 05/12/2008 08:57:06
Another complete non-story, similar to the ones popping up all over the Scottish press this week. This much negative press about hearts is reflecting the fact that we are back up at 3rd in the league. No longer does the general dislike of Hearts from around Scotland bother me, but some level headed reporting please.... !
37

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 08:57:17
#42 Mostly just disagreeing that Bathgate provided any sort of decent summary worth its salt in the article. There are other clubs in trouble - Livingston for example but I find the papers' relentless pursuing of Hearts tiring - we all know they took offence when he called them monkeys and refused to play ball, but when they start reporting rumours on Hibs.net as they have recently, that's taking it too far.

#44 Yawn. The old "arrogant Hearts fans" line. Of course calling your stadium the Leith San Siro and boasting about your flair and team of young Scots is not arrogance?
38

Tartan Jambo,

05/12/2008 09:04:44
Still no pay at 9am.
39

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 09:09:58
I wonder if the Scotsman journos just write this stuff then sit back and read the comments all day?

Bathgate - do some proper journalism and get on a plane, hire a translator and knock on some doors in in Lithuania to get an interview with someone and force some answers. Then interview those at Wigan and Stavanger involved in the Webster and Velicka transfers and ask some tricky questions about why they bought those players only to sell them immediately and what was Rangers involvement. While you're at it phone Webster and ask if he's paid Hearts the compensation yet. Then confirm with lawyers if the sell-on clause for Webster really DOES get activated if the player just leaves and is not sold. Then maybe we can have some answers to a few things.
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johnrebus,

Oxford Bar 05/12/2008 09:31:01


Spot on # 48

You would think that there would be a plane load of journos on their way to Lithuania to sniff out the Mad Monk and try to get some answers on the ongoing panto season down at Tynie. But no, they come up with nothing we don't know already.


Hearts are donald ducked.


Get used to it boys !!!!!!!

42

Who?,

05/12/2008 09:32:58
Bathgate is like a dog with a bone over this story. He rightly got slagged off with his attempts to write a serious football/financial story in september which must have really hurt him looking at his efforts of the past week.

Bathgate, Pattillo, Anderson have been shown up to be fools with their standard of reporting over this issue with the quality of their articles being derided nationally.
43

Johnny Jambo,

05/12/2008 09:43:19
Well, as many of you know I was for a long time not only a doubter but a very strong enemy of Romanov and his attitude.
I did however review the situation and begin to give him the benefit of the doubt and I thought that perhaps he did have the right things in his plans, and that meant selling players, looking at opportunities for other money gathering ideas, such as the UBIG share deal and shirt sponsorship and so I started to look a little more brighly at things knowing that we may struggle for a season or two until the finances were stabilised.
Well now I am worried, being a business man these headlines worry me greatly and no I don't think it is a Scotsman vendetta against Romanov or the club, these issues are real and we should be very concerned.
44

Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 05/12/2008 09:45:43
Club statement is required from someone who is not Lithuanian and does not give a fob-them-off story....we now need answers
45

Vincent Vega,

05/12/2008 09:48:52
Some of you Hearts fans are unbelievable, you will blame every one else (the press, HBOS, SFA, Hibs fans etc) apart from the real culprit in this story, Romanov.

You should be demanding answers from him as to the current state of Hearts before it is to late, there is no one else to blame apart from Vlad, get real.
46

John H,

edinburgh 05/12/2008 09:49:26
These problems have not been created by reporters working for various newspapers. they have been created by those in power and that's what it is at Tynecastle.
Trying to blame journalists for the problems is like saying they do not exist.
The club is in deep trouble, no doubt about it and your anger would be better directed at the perpetrators of this mess than shooting the messenger.
47

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 09:56:42
#55 No-one's blaming the journalists, but it wouldn't hurt them to get some direct quotes rather than all the "we understand"s and "it is thought"s.
48

Who?,

05/12/2008 09:57:59
#55 Nobody is blaming the papers but they are rightly accusing certain journos of over playing the situation. The problem is that many suffer from slow news days in a very competitive market place so any real story gets played to death.

There has only been two statements by the club and little else information. As nobody (fan, journo, etc) has any credible information from a genuine source how can the scotsman print 3 articles a day for 6 days on the story?

Idle speculation is the disability of the dumb messers bathgate, patullo, anderson.
49

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 10:16:07
I'm interested in this quote from the article:

"But, since Vladimir Romanov bought Robinson out, and his Ukio Bankas Investment Group (Ubig) took Hearts over, the club's debts, large though they were, did not present an acute problem."

Hearts fans have been roundly criticised on an almost daily basis for not appearing unduly worried about the debt levels, but now we're told that apparently there was nothing to worry about until now. If true, why has The Scotsman been running unfounded stories of imminent collapse for years?
50

Who?,

05/12/2008 10:24:34
#59- there are so many different news platforms (internet, paper, text message, tv, rss feeds etc) that to make money news media agencies need to sensationalise even the smallest story.

Johnson Press are close to collapse and rely on web advertising to pay their salaries (which aren't always on time). I'm willing to bet hearts will be around once the scotsman has gone to the wall.
51

Indigo Nightlight,

05/12/2008 10:33:00
any Hearts fans who expect an enlightening statement from Romanov or his fellow directors must have been living in a cupboard, inside a cave, on Jupiter for the last 3 years.

Whether Journalists sensationalise the case or not, the fact is that we are not paying wages and have, at the very minimum, a severe cashflow problem. It may well be worse than that but it'll do as a a mess until the mess gets here.

The answer to the financial problems is the same as it's always been, we live within our means which means jettisoning the high earners, using the cash against the debt and being self-sufficient for wages etc outside of UBIG' 'umbrella'. This will be tough given where we are but is a matter of urgency.

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Indigo Nightlight,

05/12/2008 10:39:10
#59
Not presenting an acute problem is the correct way to put it, in that they were not being called in and no pressure was put on us to repay them. But rising debt levels meant bigger interest payments (lost money) plus diluting any chance of finding an alternative buyer.
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John H,

edinburgh 05/12/2008 10:41:24
"57" & "58"
Look lads I know your hurting and I feel your pain but being selective in your deliberations and subsequent comments regards whats in the press does your argument or interpretation thereof no good at all.
The buck stops with Vlad and his cohorts. It is common knowledge that at the time his was the only option for survival, even though his credibility was doubtful he was welcomed like a Messiah. False prophet indeed. The real damage was probably done to the club's finances prior to his takeover and it is now coming home to roost. One vulture has landed, the others are hovering waiting their time.
55

Dood,

05/12/2008 10:45:22
#57

But that's the problem, isn't it? This is all conjecture and that seems to be par for the course at Tynecastle.

The press get snippets of information, unpaid bills etc, and fill in the gaps. Would it really be so difficult for, say, Campbell Ogilvie to release a press statement? That way, any myths could be put to bed.

But do you honestly see that happening?
56

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 10:45:44
#63 That's a very subjective reading of the term "acute problem". There is so much written about Hearts finances, yet the only consistent thread is that no-one knows for sure how the club is financed.

My beef is with football journalists with next to no financial nous filling in the blanks themselves, and presenting it as fact complete with headlines using words like "smokescreen" rather than flying out to the source of the problems - UBIG in Lithuania - and doing some investigating.
57

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 10:52:46
#64 and #65 - This is my point - journalists should not fill in the gaps. Either they have information or they don't. And how much effort do they put into filling those gaps and getting some answers? Ryan Air do cheap flights to Eastern Europe these days. I'd have a lot more respect of the reporting of this story if a journalist actually attempted to doorstep Romanov. I suspect they don't because they know that this situation could be as basic as UBIG installing new payment systems and a new financial plan to cope with the global crisis, just as many businesses are doing.

Look at it this way, if you think Vlad is evil, what about The Herald owners who just made every single journalist redundant and is forcing them all to compete against each other for a reduced number of jobs? Vlad handing out enormous contracts and salaries to players left right and centre looks positively philanthropic by comparison.
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Indigo Nightlight,

05/12/2008 10:53:22
#66

I don't think it is. The debt was not a pressing problem because it was a no pressure situation. We weren't being threatened with any sanctions for holding it, or even increasing it. As long as UBIG were content to increase it, and teh AGM ruber stamped it, there was no short term issue. but the long term problems were always being stored up.

With the best will in the world, Stuart Bathgate is no exactly Woodward or Bernstein, is he. True they have speculated on things where they weren't clear, which is always poor journalism, but it's clear that there is a sizable problem and in the information vacuum that exists at Tynie they are trying to fill in the pieces as best as a sports journalist for a trumped up local paper can do. I'd love to see a proper investigation of our finances and UBIG's done, but in reality we are small news.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 11:02:02
#68 Agree up to a point, but as someone else said, three stories a day of hearsay and speculation is overkill. If it's simply to keep the number of comments up on the website so they can then pass those figures to potential advertisers, then I will do some "journalism" of my own and speculate that The Scotsman and co. have serious cash flow issues which could well lead to redundancies.
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Jambo83,

05/12/2008 11:02:33
Hibs fans having a go at Hearts for the likelihood of selling our best players to balance the books, you couldn't make it up!!!!

Yes, times are bad, but rest assure - Heart of Midlothian FC will ALWAYS be Edinburgh's finest football club, get over yourselves.

It wasn't so long ago that Hibs were in the financial mire, short memories half wits....
61

Indigo Nightlight,

05/12/2008 11:05:07
#69 No need for speculation there, the Scotsman is absolutely toiling (along with the Herald) and this sireflected in shocking sales and the employment of substandard and inexperienced journalists
62

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 11:12:54
#69/70/71 - that is, of course, unless Romanov dissolves the company and Hertz to go the wall.

As the only sort of information coming out of Tynecastle is of the inaccurate variety, then it gives journalists (and me) free rein to speculate till their (my) heart is content. It isn't journalists that are driving your club to the wall, it's Romanov, and the sooner that is grasped by you and your fellow Jambos the better.
63

Ayegudyin,

05/12/2008 11:14:03
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLING THIS 'UNINFORMED'

don't you know that everyone at Tynecastle is under contract to keep their mouth shut? It would be impossible to get anything other than quotes from unnamed sources and leaks from insiders without them losing their jobs or paying massive fines (probably what Vlad wants).

Bathgate is not saying Hearts are going under, he is just highlighting the thruth, a truth that some jambo's ignorantly refuse to believe; your club is in real trouble.

And its not just him. If im not mistaken, the first of these stories came from the Guardian, or at least they have insiders too.

The really amazing thing is that some Jmabo's discredit the newspapers, saying "wait for the press release from the club!!" The same club that said on monday "everybody has been paid!!" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Dood,

05/12/2008 11:14:33
#70

Where exactly are the Hibs fans having a go? I've scrolled up and can't see much evidence. In fact, this thread seems to be devoid of the usual childish behaviour.

But if you want to have a go at Hibs then bash on. I'm sure you'll feel much better for it.
65

Indigo Nightlight,

05/12/2008 11:15:29
#72

my comment at #71 is about the Scotsman. nothing to do with Hearts, about whom I'm under no illusions.
66

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 11:18:41
#72 "It isn't journalists that are driving your club to the wall, it's Romanov, and the sooner that is grasped by you and your fellow Jambos the better."

Strictly speaking it's the global financial crisis driving Hearts "to the wall". As the report itself said, the debt was not a problem until the credit crunch kicked in. It appears Romanov and UBIG are scrambling to combat this and keep the club afloat, just like many businesses are doing. Or are Hearts still signing players and handing out massive salaries?
67

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 11:21:20
#75 - fairy nuff. But the problem goes back to Hearts because of the combination of inaccurate and misleading information they have been providing the media. It seems to me that the mob running your club at present wouldn't know how to tell the truth if it skelped them square in the jaw.

I happen to think SB isnae that bad a journalist, but each to their own and all that.
68

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 11:23:23
#76 - Hertz have been living out with their means in terms of player salaries for years and years. Care to tell me the last time Hertz made an operating profit? The global crisis simply brings such poor governance to a head.
69

Indigo Nightlight,

05/12/2008 11:26:43
#77

All pretty much what I said in 61, 63 and 68 to be honest. Our predicament is due to years of mismanagement financially, extending much further back than Romanov's reign.

Bathgate is far from the worst journalist around.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 11:27:23
#78 Hearts are not alone in that respect. Even your own club Hibs did exactly the same thing and had to be saved by Farmer after poor management and over-spending. And how did you get out of it? You slashed wages meaning clubs with fewer fan were paying higher wages and you sold off practically one and a half teams and allowed two good managers to leave to balance the books. So no Hibee can accuse Hearts of a) being badly managed and b) selling to stay alive when Hibs has done exactly the same during the last 10 years.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 11:35:10
By the way, Hearts just confirmed all players have been paid today. So, see you all again this time next week then?
72

Hardon collider,

05/12/2008 11:37:00
It must be said there is nothing worse than watching a football team struggle to survive, Motherwell, Gretna, Dunfermline, even Leeds. Cant say I particularly care for any of these teams, but I know how much a team means to people. Hopes, dreams, everything.


Totally different with Hertz mind, hope you'se are bust by xmas :-)

Spartak Gorgie RIP
73

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 11:37:09
#80 - No club out with the OF have posted deficits to the level Hertz have, even relative to turnover. As a business, Hertz have been both morally and financially bankrupt for years, even harking baxk ot the days of Mercer, who let's not forget sold the family silver to his family's benefit. You only survived with the good will of banks (see where that's put them now, eh?) and the loyal fans who have put their hands in their pockets.

If this was going on at Easter Road, Hands off Hibs III would have been reformed months ago.
74

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 05/12/2008 11:42:56
Salaries/Wages ssorted out, but what a palaver.
Still, it gave the wee teams supporters a bit of moisture in the underwear.
I genuinely hope thet the club sort this out, it is counter productive to the progress Laszlo has made on the pitch, and a distraction to our forthcoming games with the "Arsenal of the north", which now take on a higher level of significance.
I would imagine that Laszlo might be telling the boys (before those games get underway), all about the goodwill posted by Hibs fans over the past wee while.
My attention is now fully focused on my day out in Motherwell on Saturday.
75

Who?,

05/12/2008 11:43:08
#70- every employee whether a temp, contractor or permament has confidentiality clauses within their employment contract.

If you supply confidential information to the public or competitors you will rightly get sacked, end up in court, be ordered to pay reparations, and nobody will ever employ you again!
76

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 11:45:05
#83 "Morally bankrupt"! That's typical of the hysterical over-reaction to Hearts trying to make this a competitive league, which is basically all they have been doing under Mercer, Robinson and Romanov.

How dare Romanov offer enormous salaries and long-term, secure contracts to Scottish/youth players like Gordon, Webster, Pressley, Hartley, Wallace, Berra, Jonsson, Neilson, Driver and many of the current youth players. What an evil and morally bankrupt thing to do!

How dare Hearts introduce a community programs which have won awards and been hailed as an example other clubs in Scotland should follow. SHAME on Romanov for presiding over a club doing good things in the community!

Seriously, Romanov's a balloon and has made big mistakes, but "morally bankrupt"! Get over yourself.

As far as I'm aware only one club has a former owner/director who has had jail time. I'll give you a clue - he did a duff job at Hibs.


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Who?,

05/12/2008 11:49:23
#85 was meant for #73
78

sangriaboy,

malaga 05/12/2008 11:52:34
Lets have a whip round at Easter Rd on Sunday for the BIG jambos...

they only thing big at that midden is the debt and the strong smell of the brewery next door

RIP
79

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 11:53:23
#86 - and where, pray tell, have the enormous salaries led Hertz? The brink of extinction, that's where.

Paying people salaries that are out with the scope of a club's budget and turnover is wrong, and that's exactly what Hertz have been doing long after Aberdeen, Motherwell and Hibs saw the error of their ways.

So yes, Hertz business practices are morally bankrupt. Get over yourself and concentrate your efforts on finding out why your club is the laughing stock of the nation.
80

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 12:03:41
#89 Hibsterical, your name says it all. You've just admitted other clubs have done the same thing. So are you saying Hearts are morally bankrupt for taking longer to see the error of their ways? Still very harsh.

Hearts have helped along the careers and boosted the livelihoods of all of those players I mentioned (apart from Webster notably who was the one who took it upon himself to demand a transfer to Rangers, and no-one but Rangers, despite the offer of a lucrative contract) and last I looked the club was third in the league with a second place and cup in the recent past.

If living outwith your makes you morally bankrupt, as you seem to think, then many people are morally bankrupt - anyone with a large credit card debt and large mortgage, which is a lot of people given that it's all the debt people have taken on that's causing this economic crisis.
81

Pistol Pete,

05/12/2008 12:14:01
The only other instance of non payment to players I can remember is with Gretna and that situation was embarrassing for Scottish football.

I still cannot believe that Hearts supporters are blaming this on media hype and the media not understanding financial practices. You must be very desperate. Having said that - Just why would Romanov continue to invest in Hearts? What is the incentive for him?
82

Who?,

05/12/2008 12:39:44
#91 - every club in the spl has paid player late on occassions even the mightly OF.

At least hearts have paid up, there are instances where motherwell, partick, dundee, livi sacked players without paying them what they were owed. Players have left the OF still due back salaries and bonuses. Many of those players have never seen that money.
83

Chas Niceass,

05/12/2008 12:44:39
I wonder if Bathgate would be quite so lyrical if the Scotsman were ready to go down. You never know Mr Bathgate you might be out of a job soon too.
Nobodys safe, not Hearts not newspapers, you me, anyone, we all lie in the hands of our financial lords, and thats scary.
Its a shame that people can earn money off others woes.
84

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 12:45:27
#90 - The term 'living out with your means' means different things in different situations and is scalable. Hertz continue to this day to live out with their means, and being bankrolled to enable that is hugely irresponsible on the Romanovs' part. Vlad gave the impression that he was personally funding the club philanthropically, when in actual fact he was doing so in the manner of robbing Peter to pay Paul. That's just wrong, and the club could pay the ultimate price for this.

Whatever you want to say about Farmer and the way he runs Hibs, and I acknowledge he's not been completely transparent, the club is rightly being run as a business, not a plaything. And that, my friend, is the difference.

PS - The name Hibsterical derives from Mass Hibsteria, probably the greatest fanzine in the world :-)
85

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 12:46:30
#92 - so that makes Hertz behaviour acceptable?
86

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

05/12/2008 13:02:40
#94 " Vlad gave the impression that he was personally funding the club philanthropically"

You'd have to be very simple to get that impression. The wage bill has risen and hence the debt - that's not being bankrolled, that's at best speculating to accumulate and at worst financial mismanagement. At no time has Vlad ever stated he's personally bankrolling the club.

As for Farmer running Hibs as a business - what kind of business? If Hibs fans are happy with a top 6 finish and the occasional cup, then good for you. However, both him and Milne could have done more to look after the football side of the business, as many Hibs and Dons fans acknowledge.
87

StockportJambo,

05/12/2008 13:11:15
#94

Csaba Laszlo. January transfer window.

Eight out. Four in.

Makes good business sense to me. The actions of an owner who treats the club like a plaything? I think not.

Not saying that Romanov hasn't appeared to do that in the past, but since Campbell Ogilvie and Csaba Laszlo have taken over the running of the admin & footballing side of things respectively, we're not the same club.

Be nice to pay our players on time, but we're not the first nor will we be the last. The fact that the players have now been paid suggests that things aren't as bad as Bathgate would have you believe.

Quelle surprise...
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Red Dykes,

Tain 05/12/2008 15:55:15
January Sales - Tynecastle
PICK A Lith - At least 8 dodgy eastern europeans who wouldnae get a game for Tranent
Economy Corner - Anything reasonable accepted for half decent footballers - Berra, kingston, Breullier - the Wigans, Boltons, Portsmouth will be queuing up
End of Season Sale - Assorted Easter Europeans, Greeks, and africans - Division One alert
89

Hibsterical,

05/12/2008 20:34:09
#97 - having Vladimir Romanov and good business sense in the same sentence when talking about Hertz demonstrates that you are a trumpet of unheralded proportions.

Away and lie doon in a dark room.
90

Phil1,

Edinburgh 05/12/2008 23:29:11
So you are an emp[loyee and your wages are not paid - shpould you bve worried about this glitch?

Perhaps not for the first time but the third or fourth yes.

When everyone is told all players have ben paid and you and the club knoe that many have not - you worry the club lied? WHY LIE?

Because at Hearts for the past two seasons they have what I think is a walter mitty character who runs his bank just like he runs the club = badly.

91

StockportJambo,

05/12/2008 23:38:03
Really Hibsterical (or should I call you Alan Sugar?), and how many billions have you amassed using your fine business acumen?

Vlad is a self-made billionnaire. Think about that for a second, then think about what you just said.

Then think about who the "trumpet" is.

*Cough*
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John McCain's Frozen Chips,

Glasgow 06/12/2008 11:54:41
Such lazy, lazy journalism. All Mr Bathgate or any other Scotsman journalist has to do is check the collapse in share values over the last 12 months of:
1. Ukio Bankas. 2. Birac alumina plant in Republika Srpska. 3. Balkan Investment Bank, Banja Luka - and every one of the companies it has invested in.
Over recent weeks huge sums have been spent in Vilnius to prop up the collapsing share price of Ukio. If it goes bust - and if Lithuanian government inspectors get to check its books - the whole Ubig edifice will, I believe, come tumbling down, and Vlad will be jumping into his submarine for a long cruise.
Every spare penny in the Ubig purse is going on Ukio shares.
Mr Nade's Big Mac budget and those pesky water bills come a long way down the list of priorities for the Lithuanian chancers in charge of the tiny Tynie wallet.
Who needs a wash after a game anyway?
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