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Published Date: 12 January 2009
THE new "Homecoming" appellation to the Scottish Cup will certainly be more appropriate to Burns's 250th birthday than to Hibernian's 107-year estrangement from the trophy. Any hope the Easter Road side may have held of a longed-for reconciliation with the oldest pot in the game evaporated in an extraordinary Edinburgh derby that appeared to have everything except sweet-flowing football.
click here to view a slideshow of Sunday's Derby match

More precisely, the home team's prospects of beating Hearts to a place in the fifth round of this season's renewal seemed to disappear the moment their striker, Steven Fletcher, was ordered off for a challenge on Tynecastle defender Christophe Berra with only a third of the match completed.

That incident would have been enough to monopolise the headlines, but it was complemented by the rarity of a goal from Hearts "striker" Christian Nade, the muscular Frenchman scoring only his second in 22 matches since the start of the campaign. That unusual phenomenon was itself embellished by an aberration from the Hibs goalkeeper, Yves Makalambay, which gave Nade the unmissable opportunity.

Having kept Makalambay chained up indoors and replaced him with Grzegorz Szamotulski at the start of the second half, the Hibs manager, Mixu Paatelainen, would have been stupefied when the substitute eventually committed a similar piece of horrendous judgment to allow Hearts' 18-year-old substitute, Gary Glen, to double the margin of victory in stoppage time.

Fletcher's dismissal will doubtless ignite endless debate over the justness of referee Craig Thomson's decision. Even television replays will leave the matter unresolved, as it was difficult to judge the degree of force with which the Hibs forward charged at the Hearts defender. A similar offence will have been committed on innumerable occasions in the past without drawing the red card, but it was also clear that, had he made solid contact, Fletcher could have inflicted serious damage.

The outcome would upset a well-balanced, if largely untidy match, giving Hearts the numerical advantage which seemed to count when Nade, soon after, put the visitors in the lead. In truth, neither side at that stage had done enough to warrant an advantage.

When a powerful wind gusts and swirls through a stadium, the inevitable consequence is widespread dishevelment. Even when allowances were made for the climatic conditions, however, it was impossible to escape the impression of an underlying, general mediocrity.

There were too many instances of slipshod passing and of players choosing wrong options on those occasions when they reached promising positions. That latter fault may have derived from the tension that invariably informs a cup-tie in which a single slip can bring elimination.

But such events are normally settled in favour of the bold, and for long periods of this intriguing, but hardly breathtaking derby, there was too much tentativeness. That is not to say there was a lack of physical aggressiveness, as demonstrated by Fletcher's dismissal and the booking of Berra himself for an excessively forceful challenge of Jonatan Johansson just six minutes earlier.

But it had taken nine minutes to produce anything remotely resembling a scoring attempt, a chip by Deividas Cesnauskis from out on the right of the Hibs penalty area that sailed several feet over the crossbar.

And, when Fletcher was presented with a golden opportunity soon after, the striker's sluggish attempt at exploiting it betrayed his most serious flaw – that he is not a natural goalscorer. It was Sol Bamba's through pass that not only released Fletcher into the area with only Janos Balogh to beat, but with the ball on his favoured left foot.

Unlike those voracious predators who would have struck instantly, while the goalkeeper was starting his advance, Fletcher took a touch before trying to carry the ball to Balogh's right. The goalkeeper's hands were quicker than the forward's feet as he got down to knock the ball out of Fletcher's possession.

Hibs' defending – or, more accurately, Makalambay's work – at Nade's goal was nothing like as convincing. When the ball reached Driver on the left side of the area, the big goalkeeper, bizarrely, rushed towards him without the slightest possibility of arriving in time to deny the Hearts player the time and space in which to use the ball. Driver was probably as surprised as everyone else when he was allowed to cut the ball back to Nade, who had only to knock it into the unprotected net from six yards.

Paatelainen, the Hibs manager, expressed his disgust in the most articulate way of all, keeping Makalambay indoors at the start of the second half and replacing him with Grzegorz Szamotulski. Paatelainen explained Szamotulski's introduction at half-time as a result of Makalambay injuring a hamstring. The Polish goalkeeper would have been startled at being pressed into action in eccentric circumstances less than three minutes after taking the field.

As he moved off his line while David Van Zanten took possession just three yards away, Szamoltuski was suddenly forced to stretch out his left foot to stop a flicked pass-back from the full-back that would have rolled over the line without the goalkeeper's quick action.

Having escaped that dangerous little pas de deux, however, the pair would team up again deep into stoppage time to offer young Glen invaluable assistance in the execution of the second goal. It should be stressed that culpability lay almost entirely with the goalkeeper, who seemed to have taken lessons in injudiciousness from Makalambay.

When Glen played the ball to Christos Karipidis and raced forward for the return, Van Zanten came across from the right-back position – the central defenders had been upfield hunting an equaliser – to try to intercept. Astonishingly, Szamoltuski, like the Belgian, raced from his line in a hopeless attempt to make a contribution.

Unsurprisingly, he was third in the race as Glen won the touch ahead of Van Zanten, knocked the ball forward and followed it in, to roll it over the line from close range.

Hibernian: Makalambay (Szamoltuski 46); Van Zanten, Hogg, Jones, Murray; Johansson (O'Brien 66), Bamba, Stevenson, Rankin; Fletcher, Riordan (Nish 66). Subs not used: Yantorno, Chisholm.

Hearts: Balogh; Jonsson, Zaliukas, Berra, Wallace; Cesnauskis, Karipidis, Palazuelos, Obua (Glen 82), Driver; Nade (Stewart 90). Subs not used: Kello, Thomson, Templeton.

HIBERNIAN

Yves Makalambay 5/10

At fault at Hearts' first goal. Pulled a hamstring and replaced at half-time.

David Van Zanten 6

Was given a torrid time by Hearts' left winger Driver.

Chris Hogg 7

Put in his usual wholehearted shift to stem the flow of Hearts attacks.

Rob Jones 8

One of Hibs' best performers, kept his team in it with composed display.

Ian Murray 7

Typically committed performance. Battled for the cause until the end.

Souleymane Bamba 8

Yet another solid display in the holding midfield role by the French-Ivorian.

John Rankin 5

Overpowered by the Hearts midfield, the game pretty much passed him by.

Lewis Stevenson 5

Looked out of his depth and resorted to persistent fouling.

Jonatan Johansson 4

Like at Tynecastle the previous weekend was badly short of fitness.

Derek Riordan 4

Couldn't get into the game and looked a shadow of his former self.

Steven Fletcher 2

Spurned a decent early chance when through on goal then sent off.

SUBSTITUTES

Grzegorz Szamotulski 5

Didn't have much to do until Gary Glen went round him at the death.

Colin Nish 3

Thrown on with 25 minutes left but never got a sniff.

Alan O'Brien 2

Never given opportunity to test opposition defence.

HEARTS

Janos Balogh 7/10

Superb stop to deny Fletcher early on was his only real test.

Eggert Jonsson 6

Defended well but his distribution let him down at times.

Lee Wallace 9

One of his best games for Hearts as he and Andy Driver ruled the left flank.

Marius Zaliukas 7

Defended well during Hibs' early pressure before a carefree second 45.

Christophe Berra 7

Had to be on his toes early on, but had little to trouble him after the red card.

Christos Karipidis 8

Midfield masterclass from one of the best players on the park.

Ruben Palazuelos 8

The Spaniard was superb alongside Karipidis in the engine room.

Deividas Cesnauskis 8

Barely wasted a ball with only negative an apparent lack of willingness to shoot.

Andrew Driver 8

After a slow start, gave Hibs a roasting down the left, set up first goal.

David Obua 7

Good urgency and linked the play well in attack, particularly in the second half.

Christian Nade 8

A barnstorming first half, topped off by opening goal.

SUBSTITUTES

Gary Glen 6

Came on late and showed great awareness and composure to score in injury time and kill the tie.

Michael Stewart

On in stoppage time.

Ratings by Duncan Smith and Anthony Brown


The full article contains 1474 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

DalryJambo,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 00:17:06
If you swing an arm to punch an opponent and miss, you will be sent off if it is seen by the Ref. The same applies to the Fletcher red card. He lunged in recklessly, in a manner adjudged to endanger an opponent and was therefore correctly sent off. Contact is not a requirement in this instance.

I don’t think he meant to hurt Berra and I don’t think he is a dirty player but in this instance he lost control and lunged in. If he had caught the player fractionally higher or had been slightly closer it could have been a broken leg.
2

Daillyman,

12/01/2009 00:17:58
Said it before Mixu well out of his limits in managing an SPL club.

He doesn't have the brains to pick a winner in a one ticket raffle.
3

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 00:20:12
Pundit

You were correct with the Liverpool draw.



On the incorrect red card- no intent.
4

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 00:21:43
#4

Dailly

I think it's difficult for someone who has never played themself at the top/middle level to be a successful manager
5

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/01/2009 00:29:56
-- it was impossible to escape the impression of an underlying, general mediocrity

Or the status quo or state of play.
6

Daillyman,

12/01/2009 00:30:02
7 bto

Mixu played at the level of the SPL for a lot of seasons.

A lot of very good managers were never what you would call stars during their playing careers, but have a feel for the game, can get their tactics across to their players, Mixu seems to naive to manage an SPL club. Just my opinion but he seems lost as a boss at this level.
7

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 00:30:48
DV

I agree than ManU are the team to beat.

Still holding out hope for Liverpool
8

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 00:34:02
#11

I question his training techniques.

Trying to burst balloons stuck in the rafters with high lobs may not be what is needed for the modern game

9

MAROON TOON,

12/01/2009 00:37:51
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Paulmac2,

surrey 12/01/2009 00:39:08
Never saw the game....made the right choice me thinks!
11

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 00:40:38
#15

Is it a code?

I'm good at them
12

MAN of SWORDS,

12/01/2009 00:41:33
Morning all...Apologies for yet ANOTHER name change..I must have micturated in the mod's chips to suffer such a fate yet again....can't think why...

I only saw the second half of the Hibs V Hearts game but wasnt really impressed by the fare on offer.Hearts certainly deserved the win though.

My view on the red card is that it was a wee bit harsh given the nature of the contest.Berra took the right course of action in getting out of the way of Fletcher's lunge but in doing so made the most of it...the rest,as they say,is history...
13

Forward not Back,

12/01/2009 00:41:37
Mixu must stay. The best manager at ER since Mr Blobby!
14

Daillyman,

12/01/2009 00:50:29
18 Swordy

Never thought of you as the offensive sort, what have you said to the mods!
15

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 00:50:57
This win for Hearts must have sent them soaring up the world rankings
16

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 00:53:28
#20

Dailly

He can always appeal
17

Daillyman,

12/01/2009 00:55:02
22 bto

Why you're name change,, it getting difficult to follow follow.
18

MAN of SWORDS,

12/01/2009 00:57:56
BTO..I am ALWAYS appealing!Especially with the ladies...Cant think of what I've done as I never stoop to the usual buzz words that get the red writing on the thread..Never mind..In the words of Chumbawumba.."I get knocked down,but I get up again...."
19

Paulmac2,

surrey 12/01/2009 01:00:56
News just in.......

In the.....everthing must go sale....Rearrangers have sold Broxy bear to Glasgow Zoo...
20

MAN of SWORDS,

12/01/2009 01:01:11
Interesting youtube link that may shed light on Boyds imminent departure from RFC..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XRtv6b_vou4
21

Paulmac2,

surrey 12/01/2009 01:04:16
Maybe that's the answer Swordy.....maybe you're not as abusive as the mod wants!

Get stuck in mate!
22

Paulmac2,

surrey 12/01/2009 01:07:15
Is the Fat Boy Boyd saga still rolling along?!

Rangers don't want him...
He don't want to leave...

What's the answer?
23

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 01:12:03
Boruc doesn't need a dinning table anymore.

Kebab and chips straight on the gut, and no hands required.

Just as well, in his case
24

Raskolnikov,

12/01/2009 02:43:00
thepundit - Walter Smith hardly set the heather on fire as a journeyman footballer. Do you reckon that is why he has failed as a manager?
25

Rancho Relaxo,

12/01/2009 03:02:12
#7 - What about Arsene Wenger or Jose Mourinho?
26

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 03:10:19
John Barnes might be the best example to blow the case out of the water.

Craig Brown, the other way.


#33

Rasky

Easy there, you might get barred again
27

Ex-Pat Stanton,

Sunny Melbourne 12/01/2009 04:24:14
Firstly, well done Hearts.

Right now i've said that here comes the real post...

1, Never a red card, no arguements fellas it just wasn't.
2, I am very disappointed by the nature of this result, Hibs defended well against what is one of the worst Hearts teams i have ever seen, yet we gave Hearts two clear cut chances and both were taken. I am of course used to this kind of result against our oldest foes, but i am not used to it being against such an embarrasment of mediocrity on their behalf.

I am not going down the road of what ifs here but the Fletch red was the turning point of a very scrappy game...

Also, don know what game the reporter was watching but Obua and driver were both no where near as good as he is making them out to be...
like i say i'm used to getting beat by Hearts just not by such a rubbish Hearts side.
28

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 04:28:51
#37

Agree 100%. Never a red.

Hearts can think themselves lucky that a "very poor" refereeing call meant a "very poor team" could go into the hat for the next round.

I have every sympathy for the Hibs support
29

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 05:08:13
#39

There was no intent, so no red. That's what the rules say.

You can continue to make them up as you go along, but I will stick with the real world version
30

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 12/01/2009 05:08:29
All the Hearts fans will say it was a red card, all the Hibs fans no. all the anti Hearts brigade will say no and neutrals probably split, but the result won't change. Jambos have had buckets full of injustices to live with, it got that bad even Easter Road Times (Scotsman) thought so. So it is Hibernians 0 Heart of Midlothian 2 and that won't change. Going by the red cards Hearts have been given it was a red card. It must be an honour for Hibs to be second best team in this great city above Spartans and Edinburgh City.
31

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 05:09:51
So here we have it, the ref conned, and a rare Hearts victory.

Football was never meant to be like this.
32

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 05:12:00
I remember when two sets of supporters got on with each other and clapped at a good move, from either side.

Hearts gloating about a disputed red card.

Says it all, really
33

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 12/01/2009 05:28:35
42*

As for a rare Hearts victory do you mean recent results or all time records against the Hibs, of which the Hearts is superior. Hearts have won more games than Hibs his season.

It wasn't a super performance by any means, but there was no Aguiar, no Neilson no Kingston and no Miko and thank goodness no Stewart until the death.

Hearts have to buy Balogh, even if they have to sell first. £150000 is cheap for good keeper in present market.


34

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 05:51:32
Hearts had a reasonable start to the season. If we're looking for a run of victories then it's history books out time.

The "Hearts Book of Victories". Several historians try to get it out of the library vaults but the same punter keps taking it out (and never paying the fine because he says his dad has a gammy leg and he has to work as guard at the orphanage)
35

Raskolnikov,

12/01/2009 06:19:21
Well done Hearts. Here's hoping for a Celtic v Hearts final.

BTO - What have you got against the Jambos? You never have a good word to say about them. Their fans are decent, honest, loyal and know their football, which is more than can be said for their whinging neighbours from Easter Road.
36

jumpship,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 06:35:47
Come and have a discussion about how great Hearts are and how bad hibs are -

At Edinburgh Derby proboards . The only forum for Hibs & Hearts fans
37

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 06:49:30
Rasky

Nothing against Hearts.

I just like to say an honest game of football.

No cheating and gloating. No singing songs that upset small children.

Fair play, and good wingers.

If Hearts offer that, then I must have missed it
38

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 06:57:39
Q-finals for Hearts and Celtic (at best)

Good run, they might say.


Rangers will not sttle for anything less than the treble.
39

huggs,

12/01/2009 07:04:12
The real me
Were are we gloating about the red card
We are gloating about the result
And what a cheek to come on here and slag tyhe songs our fans sign a minority sang a song in bad taste last week
Unlike your fans who do it week in week out Bigots of the highest order and embarass Scotland at least once a season

Scotlands Shame
40

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 12/01/2009 07:13:06
I think the beloved game has been ruined. Is there too much money involved? Are there too many players cheating to gain advantage? Referees are more noticable than ever. Run around issuing yellow cards for trivial offences. Very little skill in Scottish game, even with all the imports. Where a re the budding Jim Baxters or Paddy Crerands. The Alex Youngs and Bobby Collinses to name just a few.Where are the players who could split open a defence with a 30 yard pass. The game has to change, there is too much emphasis on defence and crowding the mid field. More encouragement should be given to attacking football and scoring goals. For a start the goal posts size has never changed since the beginning yet goalies are now a foot taller. it is no longer entertainment but about winning no matter how it is achieved. I think increasing the league size to 16 or 18 would take pressure of teams having to defend so often.

41

huggs,

12/01/2009 07:33:17
#51 You are right about changes
For me the timing of our season should be the biggest change just when the weather is good and you can take your kids to a game without wrapping them up like a fractured skull the leauge ends
That for me has always been madness.
Summer football would be great the crowds would be bigger and the standard in playing would undoubtably increase with no howling gales and sodden pitches
42

They call me mr positive,

Corstorphine 12/01/2009 07:52:19
It was definitely a red card.

And Bamba should have been sent off as well for his 2 footed lunge at Wallace in the first five minutes.

Do you think the SFA will do anything about Riordens gesture at the Hearts fans when he got substituted?

Now looking forward to the next round. What are you Hibs fans looking forward too... next season I think!!

Mr Positive

ps #43 you must be really old if you can remember when 'when two sets of supporters got on with each other and clapped at a good move, from either side'. Did that really happen?
43

Phil C,

12/01/2009 07:58:26
Another gift wrapped up for the Jambos....and is there any gratitude? No, just the usual half-hearted attempts to justify strange goings on. Just the usual cringey nonsense about Hearts about 'deserving' the win!!

The gods seem to conspire against the Hibees every time Hearts are the opposition. Be grateful Jambos.
44

The Real Me,

12/01/2009 08:01:12
Huggs

One win and your fans are signing songs that upset people.

Glad if you think that's" good fun".

Leave the honesty and integrity in Scottish football to Rangers.
45

Big Red,

Aberdeen 12/01/2009 08:03:55
An atrocious game of football from 2 of the worst and most boring sides in the SPL.

Hearts won by virtue of being marginally less rubbish than Hibs.

Fletcher ? The most overrated player in Scottish football, so no surprise he plays for Hibs then. One footed, no pace, poor finisher, rubbish and arrogant mentality.
Real Madrid ? Dukla Pumpherston more like.

He's been outstripped for a year now by the excellent Lee Miller, who has justifiably taken his place in the Scotland squad.

Of course, Hibs fans still think he's worth millions.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
46

Sunny Bay,

Walter Mittys Backyard 12/01/2009 08:09:28
To the clown who reckons this was a rare victory for the famous :-

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/tea/hibernian.html
47

Sunny Bay,

Walter Mittys Backyard 12/01/2009 08:10:31
and some more to choke on :-

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/salltime.html

48

carrottop,

Dumfries 12/01/2009 08:12:09
Hibs and their supporters should be so used to defeat in the cup that you would think they would accept it with some sort of grace but no, same quality of acceptance as the standard they produced on the park. Champion whiners though.
49

Phil C,

12/01/2009 08:14:52
#59 ToT

That's a bit more like it!

GGTTH
50

Phil C,

12/01/2009 08:15:30
#62 Should be to #58
51

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 12/01/2009 08:17:31
Whether or not it was a red card is immaterial. Other challenges by Hibs players went unpunished including a two footed lunge by Bamba. Will Riordan be hauled before the SFA for his gesture to the Hearts fans?
It was 2-0 to Hearts and Mixu is a big bad loser.
52

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

12/01/2009 08:22:38
#64 Plus Mixu was also extremely lucky not to be sent to the stand and Riorden should have been booked before his gesture and so sent off when he did that. Then Hibs would have been reduced to nine men.

They got off lightly and should take 0-2 as a good result in the circumstances, especially considering Hearts were without our two most creative players, have no striker to speak of and also effectively played with 10 men almost the whole game as Obua was awful.
53

captain-wills,

12/01/2009 08:24:39
Only Hogg, Murray & Jones were up to scratch yesterday.

How can forwards be expected to score goals when the service they receive is second rate at best.

Poor tactics and an even poorer manager. Oh for John Collins.
54

Addie,

12/01/2009 08:26:08
Unlucky Hibs, it was a good effort against a superior team. Maybe one day you might do something in this competetion.
55

heartsXI,

12/01/2009 08:29:31
Fletcher should have been booked before his sending off for his tackle from behind on Wallace straight after he missed that chance.
56

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 12/01/2009 08:43:23
The record will show 2 nil victory for Hearts and no matter how long or loud you shout injustice or fair or unfair, the result stands What is more concerning is the standard of football we are now accepting and the negative tactics used in pursuit of victory or at worse drawing. As for all the those who say Hearts are cra*p should have a look their own teams first. Thousands of fans go home every Saturday or Sunday delighted their side has one 1 - 0 in a scrappy affair. if points were subtracted for performance about 3 points would win the league. Let us face it negative tactics, bad refereeing and cheating has ruined the game. Put that beside players incapability to pass accurately.
57

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 12/01/2009 08:44:36
Is this report from the hibsman the official bitter and twisted version of events?

The poor old hibsman can't bring itself to give Hearts any credit whatsover.
58

Broughton Cosmos,

12/01/2009 08:46:04
tick tock ...... 108 .... when will the clock stop? tick tock ....
59

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

12/01/2009 08:48:46
YA BEAUTY!!!!!!

Get it right up you Hibbies!!!
60

Anglo Jambo,

Chorley 12/01/2009 08:48:51
72*
Before anyone says it was a derby game, I have seen classic games between those two famous sides in the past. Yes including cup ties.
61

Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 08:50:07
I thought the games just a typical Derby Game, but dear me whatever happened to football.

Hearts were the better side but against who?? Hibs are just another poor team in the Scottish game.

The sending off was, I think, harsh,(A yellow was what it warranted) but that is with hindsight and the help of television, although for anyone, Fletcher and Mixu, to blame Berra because of his first touch is absolutely nonsense. Hearts dominated without managing to kill the game off until late which backs up my previous about the state of the game.

And I have no idea what Riordon thought he was doing when he was subbed, to gesticulate to the fans like he did was disgracefull and I feel a really big punishment is required, apart from that he was non existant in the game.

All in all a good result but I despair for Scottish football, I remember not so many years ago going to Junior Matches where I saw far better football than I did yesterday.
62

Private Pike,

12/01/2009 08:53:59
It wasn't a red card and Berra made the most of it. So what. Hearts were the better team, they controlled the midfield and were worthy winners.

The Hibs players did as well as they could. Some had an off day some played well so no blame attaches to them.

So what's going on then? Why do we lose to a poor Hearts team? One man at Hibs is responsible. Park. (I've lost track as to whether it's Donald or John). Mixu can't cope and the very experienced Park should not be sitting on the bench week in and week out going along with this shambles.

He should be handing in his resignation and insisting to the board that Mixu goes with him.

On another thread, someone said that Hogg was one of the players who got pass marks. Could that person
have a look at Hearts first goal and then come back on and tell us what he saw.

As I said earlier I am not blaming any of the players. They all played predictably. But playing with Johansson, Hogg and Rankin was like playing with three men short.

Szamotulski

DVZ
Bamba
Jones
Stevenson

Sheils
Yantorno
Murray
AOB

Riordan
Fletcher

That team would not have conceded either of the goals and would have competed in midfield.

#65 How do you know that Mixu was lucky not to be sent to the stand. My reading of what the Ref said to him was "Mr Mixu, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for your restraint and for your good sportsmanship during the match. It has been a pleasure." But I'm not sure. You don't know either.
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12/01/2009 08:57:23
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Newcastle Jambo,

12/01/2009 09:00:27
Just want to say well done to Laszlo and the team. They dominated the game and thoroughly deserved to win it. Even Nade and Obua did well. Glen is a great prospect and deserves a start.

Must have been an amazing atmosphere for those Jambos that were there.
65

Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 09:01:54
#79 Jamboy - I am not saying anything about not wanting to get the game won, my post was related, in the main, to the state of the game in Scotland, I have seen too many poor games this season and I feel for the Scotland set up, George Burley must be cringing, when we see football played like this, it was woeful to watch.
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LyonHearts,

le teil 12/01/2009 09:09:38
New version of the Proclaimers hit song!

"...and I would wait 100 years and I would wait 100 more just tae win the Scottish Cup that Hearts have won so many times before...NAH NAH NAH NAH DAN NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH!

MON THE HEARTS
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Iain Bhern,

12/01/2009 09:14:39
#81 don't get carried away. It's not hard to dominate a game when you are playing ten men. Even easier when those ten men are playing as badly as we played. Make no mistake Hearts are a poor side and given their position in the league it's a sad indicator of the poor football we are served up week by week in Scotland. I don't even bother watching highlights of the SPL these days its so poor. I can't believe I still pay out for season ticket every year to watch some of the stuff that's served up.
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 09:19:24
#85 did Hibs not play 10 men a few weeks ago and lose 4-2 Kilmarnock waqsnt it??
So it wasn't too easy to play against 10 men then was it??
Be careful what you say it might come back ant bite you.
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Big T,

12/01/2009 09:20:40
I hear that Petrie is interviewing a Brown Trout for the Managers job this morning.

Has to be an improvement on the Fat Finn surely!!!
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Newcastle Jambo,

12/01/2009 09:21:07
#85 I don't disagree with you about the quality of football in Scotland, it is poor.

Still, to win a high pressure Derby cup tie requires effort, determination, discipline and some ability and Hearts had far more on every level than Hibs yesterday, despite missing important players including Neilson, Aguar, Kingston and Miko.

That was one of the worst Hibs performances I can remember. They contributed virtually nothing and were bossed all over the park from the start - which can't all be put down to having one forward removed after half an hour.
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scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 12/01/2009 09:24:04
Too painful to watch,need new manager plus new team.hearts are rubbish,but hibs are even worse.won't see me at easter road again till things completly change.don't worry folks not going to the dark side.
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CBJambo,

12/01/2009 09:25:29
#57
Ha ha... a sheep sh@gger talkin about boring football... oh ma sides!

Can't wait till you get pumped oot the cup by east fife... the dons are a disgerace of a team with a disgrace of a support... the red ultras? A bunch of pre pubescant wee f@nnies lobbing bog roll onto the pitch... presumably because their team are soooooo sheeeeite!

Away an blow tangoman ye horses @rse... rangers wannabe!
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Iain Bhern,

12/01/2009 09:25:43
#86, frankly we could have played with twenty men yeasterday and still wouldn't have won. This is one of the poorest Hibs teams I've seen in a long time. No defence, no midfield, no attack and a manager who has no idea! Frankly if there's a club willing to fork out for a one footed centre forward who can't control the ball and has dreams of playing for Real Madrid we should bite their hands off and get shot of him. I've never rated Fletcher and never will. Unfortunately we have have had two managers in a row who don't seem to be able to get decent players in.
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CBJambo,

12/01/2009 09:30:34
#85
Those sour grapes taste so bitter this morning don't they.

I'd say the current Hearts team have been poor this season especially losing to the likes of falkirk, aberdeen and motherwell... but slowly they are improving and are still too good for the Leith San Giro Flairmeisters.

Trick is... get a good manager in... and he galvanises the squad, work with what you've got and the results will come... simple really.

Maybe Csaba could give the fat finn some pointers????!
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The Real Me,

12/01/2009 09:32:12
I saw the tackle on my slow replay.


I'm not even sure it was a yellow.

Turned the game.

Hearts won.

Fans singing abusive songs.

Somethings never change
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 09:35:09
Morning all,,

Having fun are we Jambos? Can't blame you as I'd be doing exactly the same had the boot been on the other foot.

IT wasnt a sending off IMO but the ref did so end of story, it turned the game in Hearts favour, these things happen, life goes on...

Sadly the quality from both sides was abysmal & both sets of fans should be wondering what on earth is going on at their clubs.... For all the scouts that were no doubt at the game yesterday I doubt that many chairmen south of the border will be rushing to open the gregory peck books after what was on show yesterday.

Hearts managed to beat a totally inept Hibs side which spent two thirds of the game with only 10 players... Hearts only secured victory in the dying seconds as Hibs finally realised they were going to need to throw everyone forward to try and level the game. If you boys are pulling cartwheels about how your team actually played yesterday then you really are setting your sights low in terms of product being put out it was worse than bad, naturlly you are going to be ecstatic with the result which is fair enough.

I was disgusted by Hibs performance and the number of players who quite frankly are an insult to the Hibs jersey.

Go ahead jambo's you are entitled to gloat, make no mistake I accept that so go ahead and fill yer boots as they say.
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Blondie,

12/01/2009 09:39:37
#94 I'm glad a Hibby thinks some of his own players are an insult to the jersey - and the main culprit has to be the notorious 01 (nothing won!) himself - Riordan, whose antics on leaving the field proved that beyond any doubt.
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Pedantic,

Edinburgh City Centre 12/01/2009 09:42:40
To those complaining about how poor the football was you need a reality check. If you've ever played the gme in very windy conditions like those then you would understand how neat, precise passing football is almost impossible. Add that to the fact that it's an important cup tie and derby then what can we expect?

Given the weather you would have thought it best to try to keep the ball down but I lost count of the times Hibs just wanted to launch it aimlessly up the park only making it easy for the Hearts defenders to deal with. No doubt Hibs are poor but some credit to Hearts, they were better in all departments, surprisingly that includes the strikers as well!

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Iain Bhern,

12/01/2009 09:43:57
#92, no sour grapes at all. I've seen plenty Hearts and Hibs teams over the years and the current Hearts side doesn't compare well. The Hibs side though must rate as the 'poorest' I've seen for an age. Even Duffy's side that ended up getting relegated would have put on a better display than that lot yesterday. At least they had a bit of commitment about them
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Iain Bhern,

12/01/2009 09:45:15
#96 That doesn't excuse the garbage that was being served up last August though does it?
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The Real Me,

12/01/2009 09:47:00
#96

Better in all departments?

The Big Store...

No, Hearts were not.

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Mattgreen,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 09:54:55
The game changed on a Goalkeeping error, the sending off was almost incedental, sorry to say I found myself agreeing with Charlie Nic the Sky pundit on all he had to say about Riordan,what a slap in the face to HFC he is.
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Newcastle Jambo,

12/01/2009 09:57:02
With regard to quality, in difficult conditions I felt there were some good touches of skill from a number of Hearts players - particularly both wide players Driver and Chesny and both the full backs who got forward to support.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 10:02:57
#100

I agree, there is a lack of discipline at ER right now and that responsibility lies squarely with the manager. I cant see how Mixu will last the rest of the season apart from the obvious one that Petrie wont swallow his pride and admit he f**ked up by appointing another inexperienced manager.

If the man could swallow his pride he may be able to go so far as to patch things up with big Yogi and get a manager with some real authority in, however lookingat Falkirk this season I am begining to doubt wether or not JH would actually be the man although to be fair I would suggest he's done all he can at Falkirk and is in need of a step up (which regardless of how bad Hibs are just now it would and always will be)

Great triumph? PErhaps an overstatement there mate. Great result? Yes undoubtedly, great performance? I'm afraid not.

For those blaming the weather, whilst it doesnt help these are professional players not amateurs chasing a ball around Seafield on a Sunday. They should be able to play to a reasonable level in all conditions IMO.
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 10:07:54
#96 Pedantic yes as a matter of fact I have played in the kind of conditions the game was played in yesterday and by god we played a lot better than those guys did yesterdaqy. I am not taking about the hoofing of the ball, we have all done that in tight situation, I am talking about lack of the skill, the poor basic passing game, the lack of ability to hold up the ball and shield it, the first touch even when the ball was on the ground.

These areas of the game are shocking today in comparison to past days, take a match in England and compare it to this and honestly let me know what you think.

I was delighted about the result as I still support my team, I am just an older guy who has seen far better, in the saqme conditions.
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 12/01/2009 10:10:04
I'm surprised at the vitriol coming from some of the Hibs guys on here.
ANYONE who looked at the Fletcher tackle in real-time would not have been surprised at the ref's decision to red card him. Even after looking in slow motion from various angles at the lunge, I would still agree with the decision.
Then to moan about the quaility of football from Hearts!!!!...This game was played in a gale, totally awful conditions. At least we played the ball on the deck, unlike Hibs.
I'm not sure that Hibs would have done much better with eleven men, they certainly didn't worry us at Tynie last week.
Take it on the chin guys, there's always next year...
and the one after and the one after; ad infinitum.
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Blondie,

12/01/2009 10:11:32
I'm NOT surprised at the vitriol from the Hibs fans - I wouldn't have expected anything else from that lot, to be honest! Showing as much class with their comments as their team did yesterday...
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 10:11:52
#104 - JJ

Absouloutely spot on - 100% agree (theres a first). Well said, a Hearts fan who can look beyond just the result and say "great result for us but....."
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Blondie,

12/01/2009 10:12:13
Oooh, and I know this is childish, but I just noticed that my last post was number 108!! Does that mean anything to all you Hibbys?
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Doon gorgie way,

The burgh 12/01/2009 10:15:03
Breaking news hibs sign contract with peugeot all players will now get a 108
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 10:17:43
#106, 107 & 108

Dont get me wrong guys, whilst I think the quality of the HEarts performance was poor I accept that the quality of the Hibs performance was shocking at best.

I find it deeply disturbing as a supporter of Hibs that whilst Hearts are bad we are up to ten times worse at least. With the quality that Hearts are currently putting out I would expect Hibs to beat them week in week out, sadly this is not the case because we are worse than you.

Sad days in Edinburgh football by in large and I make this next comment knowing full well you'll all accuse me of sour grapes but this is my honest opinion. Hearts will not win the cup and they will not finish 3rd in the league either.

Hibs will fninsh bottom six and be thankful that we have the likes of ICT & Hamilton in the league.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 10:19:23
#110

Aye it's the number after 107 and before 109.
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 10:22:52
#109 hibbyspurs - Thanks for that mate I will always support my team but the bigger picture is important as well.

To say Hearts were the best team is actually a fact, however Hibs were poor particularly after the sending off, which I also thought was a bit harsh, but looking at it from the refs angle I can understand it, and were never likely to get back into the game. Too many Hibs players did not want to fight for the jersey, Riordon was a shambles and really let his mates down.

Having said all that Hibs are not the worst team in our poor league, just one of many, even Rangers and Celtic are very poor.

I remember the days when Scottish players went to the top tier of the English game, today we are pleased if a Championship club thinks we have a player of reasonable quality, changed days indeed.
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Reasoned Debate,

12/01/2009 10:27:21
Berra said after the game that Fletcher "caught me a wee bit". So why were you rolling about like you had been shot? Total cheating and a blatant attempt to get a fellow player sent off. Congratulations Berra ! Fletcher was simply trying to block the ball. It was a foul that's all possibly a yellow, but never a red. Referees have a duty to football and the fans who pay good money to watch a competitive game. The game was effectively over once Fletcher was sent off and Hearts coasted to victory against a very poor Hibs team who are bad enough without having to play with 10 men. Mixu is not good enough. Everyone knew that Makalamby would mess up eventualy and Szamotulski should have been in from the start. How the reporter can give Maka 5 out ten for playing only half a game and being guilty of yet another shocking mistake is beyond me. 1 out of 10 would have been flattering !
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 10:27:47
#112 hibbyspurs - I dont take any sour grapes out of what you say, The chances are Hearts wont win the cup, and they probably wont finish third, and if they lose Berra and Driver or any other squad players they might just join you guys in the bottom six.

I said at the start of this season that Hearts priority this season and probably next must be to get the debt down but stay in the SPL and I see the 3/4 place at the moment as a bonus and I would love it if we managed a Euro Spot but as I say it's high;y unlikely.

I don't think I am being disloyal just realistic the priority must be the future of the club.
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 12/01/2009 10:27:57
#112 I still believe that Hibs made a monumental error in letting Collins go.
How on earth your club heirarchy ever imagined that Mixu could take you forward is beyond me.
Anyhoo, I accept that we ain't uber class, but we have improved under Laszlo, and are nowhere as near being the "worst Hearts team ever".
Hibs have the core of a decent side, much like us, ALAS you don't have a manager, and you are saddled with baggage...Riordan.
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Newcastle Jambo,

12/01/2009 10:30:12
#114 Johnny, I always agree with your comments as you know.

Let's not forget though, that when it comes to a derby in the cup winning ugly is perfectly acceptable and I was delighted to see them win.

Let's face it, the many games in the long unbeaten runs against Hibs that we had in the 80s and 90s were not all characterised by free flowing football but when Derek O'Connor bundled the ball over the line in the last minute for a 2-1 win in '84, when Phil Stamp scored with the last kick of the ball and got sent off and when Robbo scored scrappy winning goals again and again - did we all complain that it wasn't like watching Brazil? I don't think so!
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 10:30:49
#114

I must admit that having seen the offense from the refs angle I can see how he could have pulled a red card as well.

Berra's right leg is in a fully locked out position and had Fletcher caught him above the ankle then the end result could have been a shocking injury. Fact is he didnt and it wasnt a red but ho hum thats life and it goes on regardless.

We were always going to toil after being reduced to 10 men as we're not up to much at present with 11 on the park but to me if I was a Hearts fan the worrying thing would be that it took you until the 93rd minute to finally finish us off.
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Blondie,

12/01/2009 10:32:30
Aye, and chances are 109 will have a special significance for you next year too!
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Doon gorgie way,

The burgh 12/01/2009 10:35:50
1902 wee team 1903 1904 1905 1906 THE BIG TEAM 1907 1908 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 1919 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 1928 1929 1930 1931 1932 1933 1934 1935 1936 1937 1938 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947 1948 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 1956 THE BIG TEAM 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 THE BIG TEAM 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 THE BIG TEAM 2007 2008 2009
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 10:38:26
#116

Thats my point about Edinburgh football at present entirely.

Hibs & Hearts ahould be the two main protaginsts for 3rd place every single season. We are the next two biggest clubs in the country outside the OF and whilst Hearts have made a couple of challenges to split their dominance in recent times I think most Hearts fans realistically accept that by in large for the forseable future the SPL is and always will be a two horse race.

For us to be taking in terms of being thankful that Hamilton are in the league and that 3rd/4th is a bonus is just totally unacceptable in my opinion. We should be on here worrying about which one of us will edge the other out for 3rd place.

Like I said sad days indeed.
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Doon gorgie way,

The burgh 12/01/2009 10:39:16
Direct Inquiries 108 108
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Cramondo,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 10:41:36
Hibbyspurs, like my many Hibee friends and (even) relations, your standard response to getting beaten in a derby is to belittle Hearts.

Last week, Hearts passing was much better than Hibs, we hit the woodwork three times, and "only" managed to draw with you.

This week was a cup tie. Predictably, it turned out a much uglier game, and after Fletcher was sent off it was hard to compare the two teams. Nevertheless, Hearts did what was necessary, took the lead, never looked like losing it, dominated possession in the second half, made good use of the wide areas and held onto the ball. Everything you should do when playing against ten men, in fact. Csaba would be delighted with that.

Cup ties and derbies are not the best games in which to judge a team's quality. Hearts look much better when Neilson, Kingston (on the right day) and Aguiar play. Hearts are on the up; they are the SPL's most improved team this year. Hibs?

We've even got a disparaging comment from a Don today. They managed just a one goal victory against Alloa, for goodness sake. Celtic unconvincingly beat a lower league team by one goal at home. It's the cup. All that matters is getting into the next round.

We're there. We're happy. Whoever wins in May, nobody is going to remember the quality of their first round performance. Or, indeed, the quality of their first round opponents.

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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 10:44:07
#118 NJ - Hi mate how are you. I agree that all those games were never classics. However what I am trying to say is that the calibre of football over the years has deteriorated badly and that even the basic stuff today is poor.
I will always cheer when we win, regardless who its against but the whole standard of the game is poor today, players struggle to control the ball, they can't hold up the play when it's needed, I see very few classy openings made like we did in past times, players, in all teams, seem to run out of ideas when they get so far forward and just end up hoofing the ball into the box. I am not criticising just Hearts, its the state of Scottish football.
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Black Five,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 10:47:35
Hibs were woeful.ust be worst ever team.Riordon is a joke.As for Hearts for all their dominance it was only one goal in it till Gary Glen scored a nice one.This lad impresses me.The ray of hope.Bin Naddy and Obua.A couple of useless duds.Glen is the future of Hearts.This lad could very well be a Hearts Great.He`s def. got the makings.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

12/01/2009 10:50:33
A good result, yeah - but a good performance? nah.
We scored 2, but they were both thanks to goalkeeping errors - Nade still doesn't look like a man capable of playing up front on his own. Glen has looked pretty good in his 2 sub appearances against Hibs, I'd like to see him given a chance from the start, but... we need to get a proper striker if we're going to do anything this season. We were lucky yesterday that Hibs gifted us a couple of goals - if their keepers had been solid we'd be looking at another 0-0 draw and we'd be bemoaning the lack of firepower. Papering over the cracks really.

Still, that's for another day. We can spend today enjoying a cup win over our rivals.
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Black Five,

edinburgh 12/01/2009 10:51:44
Johnny your spot on too.All we`ve ever said about Scottish football.That`s why the national team is so bad.For me Hearts have two players.Glen and Berra,Driver `s final ball lets him down.I`d move heaven and hell to keep Berra.He`s a player you must build a team around.If Hearts have any ambition they would but alas they won`t.Glen will go too if my guess that he`s a real future star is confirmed.
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Doon gorgie way,

The burgh 12/01/2009 10:55:02
Look like fattylinen will have to start eating trout what a size he is already speaks a lot of trout
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 10:57:30
#125

Belittle Hearts?

Yes maybe but if you actually read my posts and take the maroon tinted glasses off for a second you would perhaps notice that I'm ripping even bigger strips off my own team?

I refer you to the posts of Johnny Jambo who seems to agree with me that Hearts are no great shakes at present either.

FWIW I would agree that you are much improved on last season and to answer your same question re Hibs I would comment that the decline in standards at Easter Road is truly shocking on all levels and I've been saying we would be rubbish even beofre the season started.

The signing of Riordan was nothing more than an attempt by the board to appease the fans rage at the good team we did have has now been replaced by utter rubbish which is worthy of about 8th place in the SPL at best.

As for the 0-0 game I was delighted to "get away" with a draw as we were torture then as well.

However with me putting forward how bad I actually think my team are a present is it therefore not a worthwhile point to make that I find it surprising it took Hearts until added on time to finally put the game beyond us?

The fact is that regardless of conditions if Hearts were a halfway decent side the should have had Hibs dead and buried by the hour mark. Take the fact hibs were down to 10 men and so poor just now anyway a halfway decent side could and should have put 3,4 or even 5+ past us yesterday.

Hearts didnt because they dont have the quality to do so. Fact. Your better than Hibs. Fact. Your not winning the cup or finishing 3rd though IMO as you just arent good enough yourselves.

#121 your little anology sums up how bad Edinburgh football is and how far the supporters expectations for their clubs have slipped.

Hibs - Worst record of any major club in the country's major knock out cup competion.

Hearts - 4 times winners in the same time scale.

It's hardly awe inspiring stuff is it?

#120 - Aye it'll be the number after 108 but before 110!
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 10:58:32
#130 - Someting needs to be done at grassroots level to improve the raw material we have in scotland, boys don't go to the park any more to play football I also think there are less clubs nowadays and juvenile and lower levels. I don't even know if schools play competitive matches today like we did in times past.
We need a major rethink about how we bring players through to the senior game.
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Jambo 25,

West Lothian 12/01/2009 11:01:08
I think I watched a different game from most people on here yesterday. Hearts started to dominate the game after about the first 15 minutes even before Fletcher was sent off. BTW, if that wasn't a red card then very few fouls are. Bamba should have walked for an even worse tackle on Wallace earlier on and Riordan could well have been yellow carded before being taken off which given his subsequent gesture to the Hearts crowd would have had him red carded as well. So Hibees shouldn't blame the ref as he was quite lenient towards you.As for the quality of the football. Well Hibs were poor but Hearts generally played a good passing game for the vast bulk of the 90 minutes in poor weather conditions.
Incidentally, this Hearts win wasn't entirely unexpected. Hibs got away with a 0-0 draw at Tynie last week when Hearts hit the woodwork 3 times, had various other good scoring chances and were refused a 'stick on' penalty when Bamba went for a climb on Nade.
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Mr LeoFelis,

12/01/2009 11:03:15
Humble in victory & Gracious in defeat is never going to be a Hibernian FC motto.

Its a great shame that the Hobo nation has again turned its anger on a decision by a ref or the reaction of a player and disregarding the inept performance of their own team.

Try focusing your anger and frustration on your own team & management instead of burying your heids in the sand & working yourselves into a frenzy every-time something derogatory is written about the Hearts.

Its little wonder you haven't won the big cup for 108 years when your more concerned with another team.

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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 11:03:27
#131

Im not qualyfing anything mate, just having a reasoned debate about the quality on show.

However if it makes you happy....

Hearts won, Hibs lost. Well done the better team won on the day.

Enjoy your victory as I would had it been the other way around.

How's my chin looking?
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 11:06:52
#136

Have you actually read the posts on here from Hibs fans?

I think you'll find that most are utterly disgusted by the performance of Hibs yesterday.

So what's you point exactly?
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 11:09:08
#131 tott - I dont think it takes a genius to see that the standard of football in Scotland is poor and getting worse.

yes Hearts won yesterday, and I am delighted with that, but for the possession and control we had over the game we did not win in the way I thought we might have against a very poor Hibs side. We only scored our second when the Hibs defence pushed forward to hope for an equaliser.

I don't see anything wrong with some of the stuff the Hibs fans are saying here today, they are accepting the defeat more gracefully than some of us would have and they are also accepting that there team is very poor. All I am saying is that its not just Hibs who are poor.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 11:14:04
#138

I agree that the manager has to be changed before we find ourselves in really soapy bubble (i.e heading towards the SFL).

We need a manager of real authority who will command respect of all his players and hence my comment about Yogi earlier. Mixu doesnt command respect and hence there is a lack of discipline (Riordan, Fletcher, Bamba all colpable yesterday)

I think tht if we did get such a manger then the change could be almost instant with various players suddenly pulling fingers out of rectal orrafices (i.e Fletcher, Riordan) we may also encourage Benji back to the club and Zemmama too.

As for JJ, well I think we need to give him a wee bit more time but it does look like when you played football in the playground a wee bit, his big mates always going to pick him first.

Agree 100% about Murray - Would bleed green if you cut him and this is why I'm so up for Yogi taking over the helm. If Murray bleeds green then Yogi sweats, bleeds and is green. A no-nosense manager who is a dyed in the wool Hibby. I'd have him in a heartbeat but sadly Petrie is an eejit who wont swallow his pride and let bygones be bygones. So we're kind of stuck....
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 11:15:00
#138 tott - strikers need to have chances made and I dont think we are making the chances to score the goals, Driver made a great chance yesterday with his determination and push which Nade put away, then the second was a defence splitting pass for Glen which was taken, (albeit Hibs defence were not there at the time)
Yes we need a striker or maybe two but we also need to make more chances.
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 11:27:59
#145 tott - I am comparing the football of today to past years, starting from when I went to watch football as a boy in the early 60's the decline has been steady and I dont think a comparison can be made season over season but over decades it can be made.

I said before Scottish players today se it as a good move going to the Championship, when only a few seasons ago the Top league in England had a backbone of Scottish players, that is not there today or am I wrong.
In fact most players who move south struggle to get a regular game in the lower English leagues so that tells me something. Tell me 3 Scotsmen who get regular games in the English Premier.

Can you see where my comparisons are coming from???
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Des' Dad,

12/01/2009 11:34:17
Mixu Pantiliner should learn a bit of humility and not drag the name of Hibs down with his stupid comments and refusing to shake hands with Csaba.
The facts are it was a poor game which Hearts deserved to win. The sides were even until Fletcher was rightly sent off and Hibs caused Hearts no problems whatsoever after that. Mixu told his players to try and match Hearts physically and that was there undoing. Mixu also learned nothing from his drubbing from a ten man Kilmarnock side. This must be one of the easiest games Hearts have had all season.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 11:35:15
To all the other posters who think I'm wide of the mark by claiming Hearts arent very good I'll make this point.

I think this is one of the worst Hibs teams I have seen in years at present and I'm totally disilliusioned by the standard being turned out.

So why do I think Hearts are better but not by a great margin?

Current league placing:

4th - Hearts - 32points
6th - Hibs - 27points

Only five points between us at present and I think Hibs are totally shocking. Not that hard therefore to see why I think Hearts arent that great either then is it?
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 11:44:04
One last thing before I go for today.

Even although I was on the losing side yesterday I've actually quite enjoyed the debate on here this morning as the idiot brigade from the Hibs side have as expected dived into their rabitt holes and hidden away, this in turn has by & large kept the idiot brigade from the Hearts side away as well.

I've not been able to say I've had a good debate on here for months but sadly I fear that come the middle of the week when the dust has settled the usual suspects will return to ruin the threads once again.

Enjoy your victory Jambos and I'd love to wish you all the best for the rest of the cup but of course I wont.

Laters....
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 11:46:10
#149 - your not wide of the mark mate, Hearts seem to have a bit more cohesion at the moment whereas Hibs have players who don't seem interested, Riordon is a big example of this.
If Hearts lose the players they are spoken off as losing in the window then we will struggle to maintain our position.

I just think that there are some Jambos who can accept that we are better positioned than we had hoped and there are some who are deluded. Mind you I guess every team has those. We are a young team, we are improving in a poor league, but we are far and away from being a good team.
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 11:46:44
I fail to see how anyone can say it wasn't a red card. Stupid comments like 'I played it on slowmo and it wasn't clear'. Try wathching it real time then you plank !. The ball was away, Fletcher had no chance of getting it but made a late, wild lunge which caught Berra and could have injured him. If there was no intent then what was he doing cos he certainly wasn't going to get the ball.

Any of you planks out there want to defend Bambas straight two legged lunge after 5 minutes which also could have been a leg breaker. Mysteriously this didn't make the tv highlights and was not highlighted at Half time during the game either, why not !!

Mixus tactics were clear, as they were in the last game. Realising he's lost the midfield the intent by Hibs was to foul continuously tp put Hearts off their stride. Didn't work again.

Even Pat Nevin said the ref should have been harder on the Hibs players. Ratboy should have walked. If a Hearts player had made that gesture to Hibs fans I can assure you the ref would have sent him off.

Mixu's a disgrace. Let's see the SFA bringing him up for bringing the game into disrepute.

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Pedantic,

Edinburgh City Centre 12/01/2009 11:50:50
149,

Winning 2-0 away from home in a derby cup tie is all that matters in these games. If that's achieved by playing fantastic football then so much the better, but if it's achieved simply by being better than the opposition that's fine. To be honest, even if ita' achieved by whilst being worse than the opposition then any fan would take that also. In this case, Hearts were not slightly better, but considerably better, whilst the conditions were awful.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 11:53:36
#152

Your post would have had more merit if it didnt come across so bitter & twisted.

Yes Bambas tackle was a shocker & I was amazed he didnt get booked although the ref did obviously make the point that "look son theres still 85 minutes to play, you better calm down a bit".

Fletcher's tackle was less horrific but was a booking

Why would they show Bambas tackle at half time as it resulted in nothing?

Mixu's tactics were indeed wrong but thats an isse for Hibs to deal with.

As I said your post has valid points but if you could drop the "everyone in the media & football is out to get Hearts" line I'd have had a lot more respect for it.

After all, you won didnt you? Be happy for that eh?
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Jamtastik,

12/01/2009 11:54:46
Pundit & bto - i think it was a red as if connected could have caused an injury, but i am delighted that yourselves and other are blaming the red card for hibs defeat.

I'll even try to think of a few more excuses, because if we find enough the blame wont fall on the manager and he will stay!!

Thats good news..

#150 - i agree that the hearts team are poor atm, lack of strikers a big problem, and if you have no-one to regularly score then thats trouble for your team. I honestly think mixu is a terrible manager and your team need to replace him asap, but both teams are not performing as they should.

We can beat rangers, draw with celtic, but inconsistancy is a terrible problem for both teams.
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Doon gorgie way,

The burgh 12/01/2009 11:57:47
Contact doctor who and see the scottish cup
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 11:58:45
#154

I agree that no matter how you win a derby your happy (in fact no matter how you win any game)

My assessment of Hearts and the reason I "drag them into Hibs problems" (TOTT) is that I see how bad my team is and I'm drawing a comparison between the two teams.

To say Hearts ar emuch improved is correct to claim they are a genuienly good team is wrong.

However thats just my opinion and I'm entitled to it (arent I?), just like you are all entitled to yours.
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 11:59:30
#153 tott - areyou really saying that the English Premier league as got better, I would agree that the top teams may well have done, but Hull City, Stoke City West Bromwich Albion, Wigan Athletic etc, I don't think any of them would win the SPL would they??
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Bermuda Hibby,

Hamilton 12/01/2009 12:03:24
Lot of good posts here and I agree with hibbyspurs.....we were not good enough pure and simple. This game was absolutely shocking and I find it hard to believe that these are the best footballers available....where the hell do the scouts go every week? Fletcher was exposed big time and the reaction of our manager was embarrassing....not the Hibernian way and it cheapend the whole affair. There is an unbelievable arrogance eminating from the Hib's dugout and I can only imagine it's a giant smoke screen. Hibs were dire and have been for most of this season....we have poor players and bad tactics and a support that has lost a lot of interest....evidenced by many empty seats at what should have been a HUGE game yesterday. I watched the Man Utd game afterwards....I had forgotten what real football looks like. Shameful...but well done Hearts.
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 12:12:11
#155

The reason it might sound bitter and twisted (although it's not meant to be, honestly) is because it's aimed at the idiots out there who can't see beyond the end of their noses and continue to hold this bizarre feeling that they've been hard done to.

I'm simply pointing out that although some may say the red could be seen to be harsh, in the context of the game Hibs could have had three or four players sent off it it hadn't been for the leniency shown by the ref.

Berra was booked early on for a rather innocuous challenge when several Hibs players had got away with far worse. FACT. Despite this we even had one Hibs plank on here yesterday trying to drum up support for sending a letter bomb to the ref 'who must die'. Now if you ask me that's bitter and twisted like many of the other comments from Hibs fans on here.

Not saying that you are one of those fans but you know who they are, and they're not helped by your manager who must surely have woken up this morning with his head in his hands !

When will we ever hear this nonsense about the 'flair team' disappear because you quite clearly aren't and are for more physical than the supposedly 'over physical' Hearts team.

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Bermuda Hibby,

Hamilton 12/01/2009 12:13:18
I believe that West Brom probably would win the Scottish premier League...or come close. They would certainly be top three. Standard in Scotland is very poor although I confess that I am not attending games every week. I see Hibs play every now and again and I can say that my view is possibly more realistic as the decline is very pronounced over the last two years in particular. Even when we beat Celtic 2 - 0, we were outplayed. False horizons and expectations. I honestly believe we have a pretty poor and over-rated bunch of players, but I really do question the man charged with the responsibility of trying to make them all play together. As an example our midfield has been as poor as I can remember for a long time and yet the little playmaker, Yantorno continues to warm the bench. The writing has to be on the wall.
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Jambo-ree,

12/01/2009 12:14:44
So the red card changed everything eh? Then how come Killie came back to win at ER a couple of weeks ago with 10 men? And how come we came back from 2 down to draw 2-2 with 10 men a few seasons ago at ER?

Guts, balls and character, everyone giving their all to the cause - something you could not accuse the Hibs' players of yesterday. Like their 'manager' they spent all their energy in a negative way.

We didn't play as well as we can (still missing Bruno) but as well as we needed to and in cup competitions that's all that's required.

Well done to the Hibbies on these forums for coming on today and taking it on the chin - respects.
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Bermuda Hibby,

Hamilton 12/01/2009 12:17:55
BazJT....agreed. No flair at present and the sooner we all take a good look at ourselves and shake off the delusions, so much the better. Hearts are not much better mind you, but despite your house sitting on very shakey foundations there is more focus and more attention to playing the game than looking for excuses. Someone earlier used the word humility.....you have it and we don't.
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Chas Niceass,

12/01/2009 12:18:40
I'm sorry I've been up for reasoned debate in the past. But not today. Hibs are gash.
Aberdeen United and Well have all been able to knock us off our stride by trying to be physical, something which I dont believe Hearts are capable of.
Hibs tried yesterday and failed miserably.
Fletcher deserved to go, anyone that argues it, well I'd like to jump towards with you with both my feet aimed towards your ankles, lets see how you feel.
Riordan, he was no better and feel extremely lucky Thomson let him off, inexplicably without a yellow.
True Hearts didnt show much early on, but we are off form, Hibs and their wonderful manager claimed to be on top, but only got into our box once. Hearts simply toyed with Hibs for the last hour, even when you were afforded 5 mins from nowhere it was simply more party time.
Here is a link to the Beebs stats

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/live_text/4784943.stm

Something more for all the Hibbees to get that chip back on the shoulder, though its looking more and more like a Baked Tattie!
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Cramondo,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 12:19:27
#133 and other contributions from Hibbyspurs.

Thanks for replying to me at some length. Yes, you are even harder on your own team, you are taking defeat on the chin and you are not expressing any sour grapes. Credit to you for that.

We'll have to disagree about how bad Hearts are, though. Having been to every home game, what I've seen is that Hearts are improving under Laszlo, who is putting his stamp on our style of play.

We are solid in defence, and play some good stuff in midfield. We have width, but seriously lack strikers. We have a manager who, I believe, knows what he is doing and is able to communicate that to the players. We had a good run in the lead up to Christmas, but have stuttered a bit since, though not enough for Hibs to trouble us. We can attract more fans to a league match against Dundee United than Hibs can muster for a Scottish Cup derby.

If (and it is a massive "if") we can hold onto certain players, we will continue to improve. Unlikely to challenge the OF, everybody knows that, but far from a poor team.

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Indigo Nightlight,

12/01/2009 12:22:30
To say it wasn't a red card is nonsense to be honest. A two footed tackle, both feet off the ground and catching the player is a red card in any game in the world. The ref had a perfect view and Berra is perfectly entitled to get his feet off the grouns at the tackle, or would it have only been an acceptable red card if he'd suffered the same fate as Eduardo? Don't think Fletcher is a dirty player but it was a reckless lunge and fully merited a red card.

As for the 'lack of quality' from Hearts, I would agree that up till the goal it was exceedingly scrappy. However after that Hearts retained possessions superbly and took any sting out of the game, to the extent that Hibs never made a chance in the second half. we had several chances despite trying to walk the ball in at times and I was more than happy with the level of control we exerted over the game. scintillating, no, but fully controlled and intelligent use of the ball, getting it wide and stretching Hibs regularly.
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Bermuda Hibby,

Hamilton 12/01/2009 12:26:36
Chas....half-baked perhaps.
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markatview,

12/01/2009 12:31:39
#154 Been reading your posts with interest and it has to be said that you do sound a tad bitter in coming on here and qualifying a poor hibs display on a "very poor hearts team" , hearts done all that was neccessary yesterday to gain the win and never needed to get out of second gear to overcome a 'very poor hibs side' , the game was not killed off in 93rd min but when nade put hearts 0-1 up from which there was no way back for hibs , hearts have played better and lost so this win says as much about hearts character as hibs ineptitude,,
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 12:31:51
#164 Bermuda Hibby

I agree, Hearts are still a bit shakey. What comforts me though is it looks like Csaba is turning things round. Given time I'm hopeful he'll do a good job at Tynie.

Nade is never going to be a class athlete but Csaba has him playing and giving his all. Hearts play to his strengths which is all we can do for now. What's good is that we're not just punting the ball high to Nade but playing the ball on the deck and he's holding the ball and linking well.

Also, who thought Karipidis would ever make a defensive midfielder? At the time everyone thought Csaba was mad and Jonsson should play there. Looks like we were all wrong.

One good quality striker could make a huge difference, let's hope that man is Gary Glen and we save a fex bob in the transfer market.
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Chas Niceass,

12/01/2009 12:35:26
#168 with cold beans
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Bermuda Hibby,

Hamilton 12/01/2009 12:44:40
BazJT....if Nade could score he would be in the EPL. For a man with such skills his lack of ability in the box, or just outside it (Sunday excluded!) is quite amazing. Perhaps he can work on it. Csaba is doing a fine job at Tyncastle and I hope that Petrie et al can see what an inspiration he is and how he can get some average players (mixed with some good players also) to work as a team.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 12:45:53
I see the happy Flapper Arstur Bigot turned in another performance of his comic capers on Saturday. Is he rehearsing a show for the Edinburgh fringe? Rab Douglas must have had a tear in his eye as the memories came flooding back of his own time between the sticks for the hoops.

Question for you, Celtic's stadium holds 59,000. On Saturday their were at least 45,000 empty seats, yet the official attendance was 23, 000, how does that work? Something doesn't add up.
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Chas Niceass,

12/01/2009 12:50:19
I dont see what relevance the EPL can have to the SPL, its chalk and cheese.
They are cash rich we are not, you would expect to buy a Ferrari as opposed to a Mondeo, performance is bound to be better.
It has no relevance to yesterday. Who's interested in playing good football anyway in a derby, all the better if you can, and for 60 mins in appalling conditions Hearts managed it against 10 men. Not Hearts fault that Fletcher acted as stupidly as he did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/live_text/4784943.stm

Here are the stats, 68% possession over 90 mins even against 10 away from home suggests to me Hearts did pass effectively yesterday. First 10 mins of the 2nd half Hibs struggled to get out of their own box let alone half and that happened regularly in the 2nd half.
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Class On Grass,

MacDairmid 12/01/2009 13:41:15
JJ and others bemoaning the standard of the footy.
It's not all bad. I went to see Perth StJohnstone vs Clyde 2 weeks back, and was impressed by 4 or 5 Saints players, especially their right back, who ran some great overlaps in a 3-5-2 first half, crossing well.
If they can hang on to their current team, the might provide a few upsets when and if they come up. If I were a ranger (cup game soon), I'd be worried...
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A Jambo come rain or shine,

12/01/2009 13:50:32
A poster early on suggested Hearts fans/possibly both sets of fans were singing disgusting songs and songs that were offending children. I don't remember a single bad song. There were a couple of renditions of Hello, Hello but not the OF version. I hardly heard the Hibs fans sing at all yesterday - very poor show from them. One version of the Wallace Mercer song and that was about it.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 13:56:06
#178 A Jambo

Scotland's real shame is the fact that coverage of the Old Firm indiscretions gives carte-blanche for the many bigots who follow the little teams.
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 13:59:22
#177 - I am bemoaning the state of the scottish game because I have seen a whole lot better over the years.
I remember the days when the English leagues were littered with Scottish players, all top players in Europe as well, today we do not have any regular players in the English top league and our players see it as a step up to move to the Championship.

I watch players whse first touch is abysmal, cannot control the ball, dont want to keep the ball on the ground and when they reach the final third of the park want to lash in a hopeful ball to whoever is there rather than a measured pass to someone he has spotted. Players don't seem to be able to hold up the play when required and give players time to get into position, at the same time there are players who dont rnn off the ball and give options to team mates.

Dont worry about me I am just used to better thats all.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 14:01:04
Only 19 days left of the transfer window and Boydy remains a Rangers player. I was 100% behind the £9 million sale of Hutton. He is a good player with a nice presence on the ball but £9 million was too good to refuse. Selling Boydy's 40 goals a season for £4 million cannot be right, regardless of the need to balance the books for this season. If somebody has to go then MacGregor at £5 million is the answer. He would also be missed but Alexander showed he is an able replacement last season.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 14:04:44
#180 JJ

Your points highlight for me what a good player Barry Ferguson is. He plays the game in the style you crave in spite of what goes on around him in the general SPL play...
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Johnny Jambo,

12/01/2009 14:08:45
#182 - I have never criticised Barry Ferguson, in fact I was not criticising individual players I was talking in general.

One question though, what style do I crave??
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Bosco Bhoy1,

Donegal 12/01/2009 14:11:27
181

Just like Hutton and Cuellar before we can be sure that Boyd and Ferguson and even maybe Mendes are off.

Accept it, RFC are broke.

Accept it, RFC are in a financial meltdown.

Accept it, RFC are on a downward spiral.

Accept it, this was created by the ego and folly of Mr Murray

Accept it, RFC fans gullability significantly aided above.

Accept it, RFC are now several stages into the 'Enspayolification process'

Might add, dont think this is good for Celtic long term however.

From a concerned footie fan.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 14:39:19
#184 Bosco Bile

I will address your points:

1) Short-term cashflow issues aside, Rangers are in fine financial shape.

2) See point 1.

3) Getting to the European Cup final is certainly a well known step in the "downward spiral". Let's discuss this point in May.

4) Sir David has made Rangers an associated company as part of the Murray group. At this time Rangers as a seperate legal entity would fare better.

5) The fans have supported the team throughout the recent period of downsizing, that is what we do,

6) All Ranger sfinancial problems could be resolved overnight by a new owner.

Celtic are the team with the catching up to do.

We welcome the chase.
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Bosco Bhoy1,

12/01/2009 14:49:55
185 Magnum

Continue with this delusion all you want as it will only hasten the 'Enspayolification process' your club is going through.

P.S.

Check out sites such as Follow Follow and RST and you will see that your starting to witness some RFC fans beginning to seperate reality from the everyday BS spun down Govan way. But hey if you wish to be a consumer of such transparent shoite then go ahead as its not my club going down the swanny.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 14:52:58
#184 BB

Accept it, Celtic have had over £40 million in "additional" revenue from the CL over the last three years. They have spent it all servicing debt and covering revenue shortfalls.

Accept it, Celtic are being run by the bean-counters as if they were already in administration.

Accept it, the 3 in-a-row has papered over the cracks at Celtic. But for mad-vlad, PLG and the SPL fixtures committee; you lot would have already dusted off your "sack the board" banners.

Accept it, Rangers dined at the top table of the European transfer market courtesy of Sir David's bold ambition. We have had to tighten the belt to pay for this era, so much so that Rangers now operate on the same financial basis as Celtic. A major comedown for Rangers, but bear in mind that Celtic have had to treble their turnover to catch up with Rangers operating at rock bottom.

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Scotland world cup victory,

marooned 12/01/2009 15:10:33
Nade's chance of becoming a regular scorer - Slimfast.

Hibs' annual chances of winning the cup - slim fast.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 15:18:24
#166

Fair enough, I've said before I rarely comment on Hearts performances as I'm not there to see them, however on yesterdays performance I didnt think they were all that great.

However on the basis of your improved league placing this season I'd have to be a real idiot to not accept what you say at face value and I'll defer that perhaps your performance yesterday was not reflective of your overall improvement this season. Hows that?

Someone posted earlier (a hearts fan I think) that Hibs do have a good neucli of players but they are totally underperformig by and large. The more I think about this statement the more I agree with it, Jones, Fletcher, Riordan, Stevenson, Bamba(maybes), Nish, Rankin and Murray all could be part of a team which would take 3rd place with just a few tweaks here & there (i.e bring back Benji & Zemmama). However a total lack of discipline & Laziness from some of these players is destroying the team.

Where do the players look to for this discipline & motivation? The manager..... Answer? Bye, bye Mixu I think but it wont happen unless Hibs get sucked into a relegation battle which because amazingly enough there are poorer teams than us in the SPL wont happen.

#172 - Nice to see everyone ignored your attempt to poison the thread now jog along you muppet.
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Class On Grass,

No fixed abode 12/01/2009 15:23:41
182, BF does have ability in holding up the ball, but his distibution is not incisive enough. He needs to find the more telling pass forwards to strikers though.
In these days of faster football first touch needs to be improved. For me, the Italians are well ahead in thought, skills and movement.
England, the best league in the world? The Italians used to have a moneybags attitude, but have moved on. Spain (Ok, Barca and Real apart) persist with their youth, as does France. It's time for us to revert to our own youth, (I think Craig Levein's doing this well already. Time for the rest of the pack to follow suit).
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 15:35:44
#190 CoC

Your post highlights the major problem with Scottish football and Scottish society in general. With one breath you make a call for homegrown talent to be given a chance, yet with the other breath you criticise the finest Scottish player of his generation who has played almost all of his career in Scotland! Make up your mind...
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Des' Dad,

12/01/2009 15:49:08
Mixu is an embarrassment to Hibs and all their fans. His post match comments regarding his team totally dominating the first 30 minutes and his over reaction to the Fletcher sending off smacked of sour grapes. He did his club no good whatsoever and I would be surprised if a response was not forthcoming from the SFA and Christophe Berra about his allegations of cheating.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 15:55:27
Saddens me to see events down Ibrox way, and I can't help but think that there has been a real lack of foresight from both SDM and WS, who together have spent around £30 million in the transfer market over the last two years, despite Rangers having a debt which was clearly above their comfort level.

Seems that the talks to take Boyd to Birmingham have been recommenced, and that Newcastle are still considering a bid for Ferguson. These two players are sen by some as being the beating heart of RFC, but raising a few million and keeping Rangers afloat to live another day has to be the priority.

Personally, I feel that these are actually the two most sensible players to sell, if for no other reason than that the squad is well covered in both these areas. Ferguson's central midfield position also has Davis, Mendes, Edu and Thomson (when he returns) who together cost over £10 million and have all been signed by WS.

Boyd has competition up front from Novo, Lafferty, Miller and even Naismith, not to mention Velicka (although I hope he's punted too), so we'll cope with his loss, although these others will have to find their shooting boots to compensate.

Selling McGregor would, IMO, be reckless, because top teams need two good goalkeepers these days, and I can't see much sense in selling Bougherra either, since both Weir and Dailly will leave in the summer, and the only other central defender on our books is Webster, who's future prospects are still questionable.

So, it will be sad to say goodbye to two players who probably bleed blue RFC blood, but the future of the club is the bigger picture.
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lesmajambo,

lesmahagow 12/01/2009 15:59:19
Mixu,

I'll get your coat,(and your fishing rod).
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badger,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 16:02:55
180 JJ

Darren Fletcher
Craig Gordon
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 16:13:05
#193 BemEx

Personally I am hoping the transfer window slams shut without any of the first team players leaving. The 3 or 4 million needed to get through to the end of the season will have to be borrowed from the bank; this is against the clubs stated policy of driving down debt year on year, but exceptional times require exceptional measures. Af Rangers keep the 1st team squad together, I reckon they are a shoe-in for the SPL and the automatic CL qualification money it brings. Of course any fringe players like Messers Hemadani and Beasley who can be moved on, all the better.
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Des' Dad,

12/01/2009 16:13:10
#193
I know you're of the blue persuasion and obviously slightly dim but I would remind you that we're talking about a Hearts Hibs game here.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 16:18:39
#197

What team does young Des support, one of the big English outfits no doubt?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 16:18:42
#196

We'll have to agree to differ, my friend.

Surely it's bank pressure that's behind the need to quickly raise funds and reduce debt, so I'd imagine that borrowing is a non-starter.

As for the SPL title, I think we're still in the mix, but if I was forced to bet my house on it, I'd back Celtic to prevail.

Can't argue regarding Hemdani, but I'd rather flog Adam and McCulloch rather than Beasley, who is a genuine winger, something that we've been crying out for on many occasions this season, so I'd like to see him given a few opportunities.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 16:19:14
#197

Are we?

I'm not.
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Magum Op_us,

12/01/2009 16:26:01
#199 Bem Ex

There will be agreed borrowing limits in place with the bank, these will have to be extended at significant cost to the club. Not ideal, but the best option available in my opinion. This does show that funds must be tight over at MIH as under normal circumstances Sir. David would have funded this from elsewhere in his empire. We will see where we stand when the transfer window closes. If the 1st team is still in tact and the finances are dealt with behind the scenes then this would be the best outcome IMO.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 16:31:43
#201

Of course it would. No Rangers fan wants to see the team weakened, myself included. However, SDM and WS have already publicly stated that one star player who's worth a few million will have to be sold during this window, so hoping for any other outcome is just wishful thinking, and is flying in the face of reality.

Around £6 million for those two would be decent business. We must have funding in place to obtain a decent central defender in the summer, whether we win the league or not, because our shortage of options in that area will come back to bite us in the backside next season.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 16:37:13
#197

Dont bother wasting your breath mate. The OF trolls always end up pollouting the Hibs/ Hearts threads with their bile and nonsense. Why?

They arent to be trusted with their own threads which are now banned and therefore have to polloute the other ones.

However whilst we're on the subject. I find it hilario that the great teddy bears from Ibrox are now quite clearly a selling club in a bid to balance their shoddy books.

The bigger clubs are circling like vultures waiting to pick off the best players on offer and leave Rangers a force not to be bothered with.

How does it feel rankgers fans? Not nice is it? Bigger clubs wanting to pinch your players as cheaply as possible.... Now you know how it feels.... HAHAHA!
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12/01/2009 16:43:23
#203

An inciteful, thought-provoking, incisive, elucidating and heart-warming contribution to the general debate.

For which I thank you.
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Bosco Bhoy1,

12/01/2009 16:45:03
With no spin or deflection its refreshing to see a bear such as Bemused be honest and candid in his assesment of the real situation at RFC.

If more of his fellow Gers fans were like this, and may i add a bit sooner then maybe the circumstances wouldnt be so dire for the blue half of Glasgow.
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hibbyspurs,

12/01/2009 16:45:27
#204

No problem

Likewise I thankyou for hi-jacking a Hibs/ Hearts thread to discuss OF tripe....

Why dont you go and use your own boards to discuss this matter? Ooooops.... Sorry your not allowed any are you?
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Bosco Bhoy1,

12/01/2009 16:47:11
203 hibbyspurs

If you dont mind me saying you sound a bit petty and childish.

Surely all clubs try and pinch players from clubs below them in the 'food chain'?
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Pulitzer,

work 12/01/2009 16:52:29
To change the subject for a second, I would like to get an update from The Wookie on his/her post from the 29th of December. In that post he/she said that there was to be some sort of info coming from CEC about planning permission for the stadium development in early January at the "next full meeting of the planning committee". Is there any news Wookie?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 16:54:06
Bosco

RFC enjoyed around 15 years, from Souness to Advocaat, where we were one of the financial "big boys" and the player flow was virtually all one way, but that was never destined to be a permanent situation.

I'm old enough to remember the 15 years prior to that, when RFC couldn't come close to matching England's spending power, and we had to wave goodbye to quite a number of star players.

Even before the current crisis, we've seen big sales to England in recent seasons such as Ferguson, Boumsong, Hutton and Cuellar. And let's be honest here, just how bad would RFC's financial crisis now be if we hadn't sold these players?

The only cheque being cashed down Ibrox way this year is a "reality cheque" :(
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 18:40:30
hibbyspurs

So what team do you support, Spurs or Hibs, you seem a bit confused.

Can you point out the bile on this thread from Bemused, Magnum, the pundit or Bosco???

Or is just talk about football,, which is hard to do these days for supporters of a team managed by Mixu.
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badger,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 18:49:36
for once I agree with hibbyspurs.

You OF bankers contribute nothing to these boards. WE don't care about either of the filth from through west. Take a hint and GTF
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 19:17:31
#213 the pundit
As usual you can't see past your OF blinkers and grasp the point.

It's not quantity that's the issue it's quality. We non OF people, I like to call us 'the normal people' can't have a reasonable dialogue because out threads are full of OF tripe.

The reason our threads are full of OF tripe iss because you OF bigots and muppets cannot be trusted to have your own thread. So rather than learn from it or just keep schtoom you choose to invade other supporters threads and spread your bile and ignorance there insted.

200 posts of 'My teams better than yours' and 'Your clubs broke, no it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is ..........'

Can I make it any clearer for you ? We don't want you here. Go away. Flick off. Comprendez vous ?
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 19:19:56
#213 the pundit

So to sum up, when Badger says 'you contribute nothing' you are right he should have qualified the statement and said 'you contribute nothing of value'.
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Alba gu brath 12/01/2009 19:51:51
Thep un dit - da Hunnz are having a pretty bad season especially considering their bigger support and spending power compared to others. At least Hibs have always been poor.

Like their goalies. See Mixu's signed another dud. What were they doing? And having seen Fletcher's tackle several times now - it WAS a red. Berra hardly jumped but obviously moved enough to avoid getting his ankle broken. Mixu should have the guts to apologise before's Hibs finally show him the door.

Well done Hearts.
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Edinburgh 12/01/2009 19:53:38
218 agreed it may be what we talk about but it's to do with our clubs on stories about our clubs not yours. So your point is what exactly?
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 20:08:24
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See, you're so far up your own ars*s it's untrue. So now if it wasn't for the OF fans advertisers would pull out of The Scotsman. And no doubt The Scotsman would fold ....

You really are one deluded tos**r.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:10:16
211 coming from a "don't care how we win" Rangers supporter come Sheffield Wednesday fan come Dundee Utd man...it's a bit rich to call Hibbyspurs confused.
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12/01/2009 20:10:42
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Whit Aussie Rules like?
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12/01/2009 20:11:57
#230 the pundit
As I said, deluded. Clearly confused at your own self worth.
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badger,

Edinburgh 12/01/2009 20:12:32
if it meant that I didn't have to read comments regarding the OF on all stories relating to HMFC then yes I would.

You guys are like a bad smell that won't go away. Again, take the hint
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:14:31
Hey Pundit

Did you hear?

It's going round that Murray says "Rangers need to raise £3m or they will go into administration"

Is this true?

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:15:53
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Haud oan! It's no how long but WHERE you live?

I suppose for a wee stretford mongrel you probably think Larkhall is Glasgow.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:16:35
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;-) pulling his wee ane!!!
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:17:50
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Pundit Ostrich accepting second best...easy to see your not a real Rangers fan.

Who was your team down south? Chester City?
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 20:18:51
#235 Dream on. Just you keep telling yourself you're a big man, full of importance, everybody likes you ...

I'm sure you already believe that anyway but it won't do any harm to reinforce it before those little nagging voices appear again 'you're a loser, nobody likes you, you only support rangers because they're a big team and you're a little man ........

And for your information The Scotsman do pull OF comments, that's why you can't comment on your own stories. Or are you so stupid you don't even realise that !!
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:19:31
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Explain how coming from Stretford means you belong to a race. Is their a Stretford Race? A Stretford species? How is slagging your birthplace racist, mongrel?
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:21:44
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I have never met a real Rangers or Celtic fan that accepts second best.

You are a daft wee joker up from Stretford and looking to gloryhunt and it sticks out a mile.
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BazJT,

12/01/2009 20:21:57
Oh dear,

That's the rest of the Weegie muppets appeared. I'm off before my ears start to bleed.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:22:58
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Wise move Baz.

Tell me though how do your ears start to bleed when your looking at a computer screen?
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:25:42
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So you don't know if Murray said "Rangers need to raise £3m or face administration"

Mmm your uncertainty tips me towards thinking it must be true.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:27:09
Ronaldo just voted Fifa World Player of the Year...

Kris Boyd came second.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:29:19
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DVincent, if Celtic fail to be champions, it puts me on a downer for the whole summer and I am desperate for the next season to start. What about you? How gutted do you feel when Rangers are champions?
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:31:23
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So pondit, last season were you pleased to lose the two big ones and win two pointless cups?

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12/01/2009 20:33:26
Lovenkrands on loan at Newcastle
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:35:34
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Rangers ran oot of gingy boatles.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:36:50
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Think Pondit has skedaddled back to stretford. He found out Larkhall was too big for him.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:39:15
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So you were pleased Rangers won two pointless trophies? And finished second to your fiercest rivals. Your a good Rangers fan right enough! LOL.

I never said anyone from stretford would support Chester? I said you supported Chester because that's about your level.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:39:57
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Go and ask SKY sports news...they just announced it.
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 20:41:48
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Please stick to the facts if you can. In a thread the other day you asked me if RFC ceased to exist what team would I support, I answered you SWFC, you then asked me which Scottish club, I replied DUFC.

There was no confusion on my part I only answered a question based on what you asked me.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:44:52
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And I only said what is true.

You are a "we don't care how we win" Rangers fan come Sheffield Wed fan come Dundee Utd fan."

Your facts not mine.
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12/01/2009 20:47:49
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I just helped SKY get there message across...take it up with them SWSM.
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Edinburghs only big team,

108 State (108 years and the hobos are still in a 12/01/2009 20:52:07
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 20:52:34
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What ever you say Tim.

You might have added "you're answers to my (Marion's) couple of question on the thread were SWFC or DUFC"

But why let facts get in the way.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:52:47
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Aye they did...

They also said Hertz were keech too.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:55:21
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Daily you said it not me!

You told me a while back...that you didn't care how Rangers win as long as they win.

You told me you would support Sheff Wed if Rangers went under.

You told me you would support Dundee Utd if Rangers went under.

Your words not mine...

So you are a "win at all costs" Rangers fan come Sheff Wed fan come Dundee Utd Fan.

These are the facts as you told them to me. You do sound awfy confused.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 20:57:37
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You are a catholic ok...then tell me the first thing the priest does when he walks behind the Altar before every mass?

(you'll be busy finding that one on google)


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Edinburghs only big team,

108 State (108 years and the hobos are still in a 12/01/2009 20:59:01
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lol!!




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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:01:23
Monday evening, and all the big hitters are in the building.

Life is full of surprises.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:03:13
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"Clydebank one of the most catholic places in Scotland."

Home of Davie Cooper and Wet Wet Wet and John Brown Shipyards full of Ulster orangeman.

Yeah right. Anymore myths?
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 21:04:20
Why don't you lads stick to RFC finances, it's better than bringing up the religion card.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:06:11
Evening Pax and Evening Bemused...jeez we could saunter down memory lane and re-visit Salcoats if it wizny so cauld oot there.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:07:23
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Rich coming from a the man who makes a sly dig at every turn about religion.

How's about combining the two.

Rangers finances? They don't have a prayer.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:09:48
Pondit...you are being cruelly exposed.

You know nothing about Clydebank.

You know nothing about Catholicism.

You know nothing about Rangers finances?

You know nothing about Glasgow?

You are not a real Rangers fan? But claim you are.

You are not a real practising Roman Catholic? But claim you are.

Give it up Pundit, I was only joking when I called you an Ostrich - you don't need to go on proving it.
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Edinburghs only big team,

12/01/2009 21:11:49
I'm proud of my religon.

I'm a Rollin Hysteric.

You would be too if you had watched the Leith Comedy Club yesterday.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:12:49
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Hey Pax, believe it or not my name is not allowed here. No variant gets accepted. How bigoted is it that a good irish name is not allowed on this board?

Business wise we're bracing ourselves for the worst. But it's not looking good out there. We are in survival mode and no longer developing our growth strategies. Still I am still in business, but it sure is tough - mainly because my business was built around the demands of financial institutions in the City.

What about you? Is it looking rosy?

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:14:40
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You are not offended when you hear it?

How can you hear it when your head is up your rectum?

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:16:19
Bemused serious question,

If Rangers don't bring in the readies do you think Murray will impose a wage cut?

Also if Rangers sell all there best players and finish third or fourth, how do you think it will affect season ticket sales 2009/10?
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 21:17:17
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Nothing to feel shamed about, very proud of my daughter and my son in law (she became an RC just before she married him) proudly walked her down the aisle at their church, and happily attend all school functions at my oldest grandsons school.

So what should I feel shame about Pax?

That's my only reference to religion, and I apologise to the other posters.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:17:43
Pax

"My European markets are all Donald Ducked, the industry is weak, and my employer a bit shaky. Should be OK though. Survival mode for 09, hopefully resume growth in 2010 & beyond."

You or Walter Smith?
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:20:32
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Pax, well that's positive on a personal level.

All my clients are cost cutting big time, but one thing that is heartening - they are trying to keep as many of their good workers as possible.

This recession will clear out a lot of deadwood in companies but most should survive. Growth I expect will resum 2011. This will be long and deep.
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12/01/2009 21:20:54
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Sorry you are correct, for 307
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:20:57
Tim

Can you impose a wage cut on players with contracts?

I reckon the best plan would be to sign a couple of players with really long surnames because we charge per letter for shirt names.

Sh*t. That's JJB, isn't it?
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12/01/2009 21:22:44
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explain post 307
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:24:47
Tim

This recession will clear out a lot of deadwood.

Aye. Weir, Dailly, Hemdani, Burke, Darchville, Velicka, Adam and McCulloch with a bit of luck.

And the Deadwood stage is coming on over the hill.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:24:47
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He's been a bit confused for a few days now...But what do you expect from a "win at all costs" Rangers fan come Sheff Wed Fan come Dundee Utd fan.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:26:00
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How strange BE I was listening to that on my Ipod today...got a few movie soundtracks on there.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:27:19
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Bemused dunno about imposition, but there could be a serious dilemma for Murray if he can't meet the wage bill due to weak cash flow.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:28:26
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You might as well have substituted "Catholic" for "Rangers Fan" in your last post.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:30:44
I reckon this thread will last about another ten minutes - Brian and Pondit Ostrich will run off to the Mods and ask for it to be pulled - as they usually do when they are up against it.
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 21:31:32
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You asked me a question who would you support if RFC ceased to exist. My answer was SWFC.

You then asked me which Scottish team would I support if RFC ceased to exist. I replied DUFC.

If answering you're hypothetical questions on a thread is me being confused, I had thought it was just being upfront and giving you an answer. Sorry did not mean to confuse you
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:32:05
One of my other half's faves, Tim.

Dragged me to the Hexagon in Reading to see the stage show a couple of years ago

"Secret Love", "Take Me Back to the Black Hills" etc.

Good wholesome family-orientated entertainment. Just like an OF match in so many respects.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:32:21
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Really? Dunno how he can handle it ;-)
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:33:31
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Aye and the windy city is mighty purty...until it blows the ba' up the slates.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:37:02
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Aye it's like something out an occult horror movie...one of they Ken Russell jobs.

Funny but there are a few converts in our parish and thought they are ok decent people they tend to be trying too hard to more catholic than the "born" catholics.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:38:06
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I am not confused Brian. Just stating what you told me.
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 21:38:47
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Don't flatter yourself you're not that important.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:42:03
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LOL. The English priests don't quite get the rivalry, though nearly all of them have heard of Bro. Walfrid.
Amazing how that one man's efforts to feed the starving in Glasgow's east end trascends countries, football, religions and cultures.

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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:42:21
Veritas

"Father Michael looked rather bemused"

Maybe. But Bemused does NOT look rather Father Michael, I can assure you.

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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:44:29
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Bemused...

Are you a Tim in disguise?
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 21:47:54
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Did you not ask me 2 questions the other day, and I answered them.

Next name change try "Spin Doctor" it will fit you well.

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12/01/2009 21:50:50
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What gave it away.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:51:18
Pondit Ostrich's wee brain will be going overtime to try and combat the onslaught. He'll be fizzing that he's been exposed.

Imagine the sight; raging, foaming at the mouth, frowning in frustration, can't find the words to express himself, starts punching the walls, kicking the cat, all the time wondering what life might have been like had he stayed in Stretford, remained an RC, and never seen Clydebank and ended up a sad wee loser happy to be second best in everything including a serious argument.

As our old mate Idee (who I support 100% on his Rangers Financial analysis) would say....

Pathetic, isn't it?

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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:51:40
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No. You're "Tim" in disguise!
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12/01/2009 21:54:33
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Touche...you are on form. LOL
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 21:56:59
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Job? What job? How can you have a job when you post on here practically 24 hours a day.

You're a saddo wee man.

Brian Stewart, Bemused Exile - tell pundit the truth will you? This is becoming a liberty, if not an embarrassment.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 21:59:11
RFC are going to work up in Perth tomorrow evening.

I wonder how many of them believe that their job is safe?

Still, it's nice to know that all you bhoys are hoping for Rangers to come through this without having to weaken their team in the process.

I mean, you do want WGS to triumph against the strongest possible RFC challenge, don't you? Otherwise, the achievement is diminished.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 22:00:54
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You mean like Rangers 9 in a Row "achievement" was hollow.
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Daillyman,

12/01/2009 22:01:20
The clone wars begin.

As Idee would say, sad isn't it.

Later.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 22:01:46
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New leaf? Must have been marajhana (sp)
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 22:02:20
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Who's cloning?
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 22:06:04
Tim

All I'll say is that RFC's title wins in 96 and 97 felt all the sweeter and more worthy because they were earned in opposition to a Celtic team that had got its act together under TB, and because they were in doubt almost until the death.

You, of all people, will need no convincing of the general weakness of RFC's league challenges in 2006 and 2007, which is why I'm sure that Celtic's triumph back in May, against a Rangers side who pushed them to the limit, meant more than the others to the average Celtic fan.
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Marion Morrison,

12/01/2009 22:06:38
Nite all, got work in the morning.

Pundit, best you go away and have a re-think before returning to this site. You are making yourself so pathetic I feel like I've just mugged an old woman.

Take it easy all.
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BEMUSED EXILE,

12/01/2009 22:13:37
There's nothing "conflicting" about it.

RFC want to sell him. Birmingham want to buy him. They've even pretty much sorted out the fee.

But Boyd doesn't want to leave.

It creates a wee bit of an obstacle.
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Craig Jambo 1874,

14/01/2009 19:08:59
tell all the hibs you no its 108 in a row

 

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