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Published Date: 28 February 2008
TRAFFIC on the Forth Road Bridge soared in the week after tolls were abolished, official figures show.
Nearly 35,000 extra vehicles used the crossing after charges were lifted on 11 February, compared with the previous week.

The greatest increase occurred the following Sunday, when numbers were up by 15 per cent – nearly double the overall increa
se over the week.

However, traffic levels fell back last week, when they were 3 per cent higher overall than before tolls were scrapped.

Some motoring groups and traffic experts said the figures appeared to confirm predictions that removing tolls would increase traffic.

However, bridge officials said it was too early to draw conclusions.

The figures from the Forth Estuary Transport Authority (Feta), which runs the bridge, show total traffic increased from 448,000 vehicles in the week before tolls were abolished to 483,000 the following week, but fell back to 461,000 last week.

Tolls, including £1 for cars, were charged northbound only.

Neil Greig, the Scotland director of the Institute of Advanced Motorists' Motoring Trust, said rush hour on the bridge appeared to be extending.

He said: "It is hard to comment on long-term trends with such a short time sample and without figures for the 'real' rush hour.

"However, these figures do seem to suggest traffic is spreading out beyond the traditional peak hours. This is no surprise as traffic levels at peak times are at saturation levels, and even the temptation of a free crossing is unlikely to lead to drivers wanting to sit in a long queue."

One traffic expert said northbound weekday traffic had increased by nearly 5 per cent over the two weeks since charges were abolished.

However, Bruce Young, of the Association of British Drivers, said: "People do not create journeys just because they no longer have to pay £1 to cross."

Feta urged caution over the figures. Tony Martin, its convener, said: "It's probably too early to draw any conclusions. Weekend traffic has been higher than normal, but I'd be wary of jumping to conclusions based on two weeks' data. Aside from the abolition of tolls, other factors such as school holidays, roadworks and the weather have all had an effect in recent weeks."

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government said: "Early indications suggest removing tolls has helped improve the traffic flow. It can take some time for traffic flows to settle into new patterns."





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  • Last Updated: 27 February 2008 10:26 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

truthsleuth,

28/02/2008 02:43:07
35,000 per week = 5000 per day = 2,500 per direction = 100 per hour their going to build a second bridge for this.
2

donald,

glasgow 28/02/2008 06:34:23
So build one - and a tunnel.
3

Reckless,

Corrupt EU 28/02/2008 07:25:15
So it's been a big success!

Wouldn't other businesses be pleased if they had 35,000 more customers?
4

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 28/02/2008 07:55:26
Even if these figures are accurate and the story is true the increase would appear to be in the region of 3% and not the 21% indicated by FETA.

I take the figures with a pinch of salt as National Alliance Against Tolls' John McGoldrick has been trying to get traffic flow figures from FETA for years with no success despite resorting to F.o.I.

John is particularly suited to analyse figures as he was an accountant with Liverpool Corporation when they investigated fraud by toll collectors in the Mersey Tunnel.

So for years while FETA collected millions of £'s per annum in tolls (usually in cash) per vehicle no definitive figures could be prised from them and as soon as the tolls are removed we are inundated with figures.

FETA have even removed historical statistics on traffic numbers from their website.

The tolls are gone--the caravan moves on--but the FETA toll dog still barks.
5

Bob Charles,

28/02/2008 08:04:17
The 21% increase forecast (long term) was not FETA's- this comes directly from the Scottish Executive.
Also the daily traffic figures have been published for years, so I suggest John gets his specs on when he looks at the freely available information on the website.
6

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 08:15:44
I'm just shocked that there are so many tight b******s out there who wouldn't spend a quid to cross the bridge beforehand.
7

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 28/02/2008 08:23:04
It's a Scottish thing, if something's free then use it!
Oh wait, I'll have to pay for the petrol though.
8

Man of Reason,

28/02/2008 09:01:29
#5 Thomas - why the obsession with FETA? The bridge authority is now officially in favour of the abolition of tolls (they passed a motion to that effect in June last year).

Traffic figures have always been publicly available on the FETA website. There's a report that goes to every Board meeting and these are all available on the website going back several years.

If you took the time to read to the end of the article you would see that the FETA Convener is saying we shouldn't read too much into these figures - I think perhaps you're confusing the bridge authority with the Green lobby (who have indeed been campaigning for the retention of tolls).
9

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 28/02/2008 09:03:36
So apart from the extra pollution and subsequent environmental impact we are still confronted by the problems when the wind blows and traffic is diverted to Kincardine or wherever else it can. Surely the extra cost of a tunnel would be a sensible long term investment and even at this the 11th hour a rethink ought to take place. If not the next bridge will have to be replaced again in 50 years time. Politicians are so short sighted.
10

NAATS,

Britain 28/02/2008 09:04:36
1. FETA does publish traffic figures (northbound) on its website. But the most recent ones are for October 2007.

2. NAATS has seen the figures that were the basis for this Scotsman article. The figures show that over the 3 weeks (last week of tolls and the first two weeks of free) that there were 685,000 vehicles travelling northbound into Fife, and 707,000 vehicles southbound. As it seems unlikely that 22,000 drivers migrated from Fife in just three weeks, it does raise questions as to how and exactly where the measurements were take.

3. NAATS and other anti toll campaigners did not say that there would be no increase in traffic. We predicted that there would be little change in peak period traffic but that there would be more off-peak journeys. We asked FETA to monitor this. Their reply was that they were not carrying out such monitoring and that it would it would be difficult to do so. Apart from anything else this begged the question as to where the figures from the "experts" had come from.

4.The main reasons for the congestion in and around the Forth road bridge southbound was the old A8000. The main reason northbound was the tolls. Even if there really is more traffic, then it should still travel more freely. Or at least it should when the current work is finished and providing the traffic is managed to ensure a smooth flow, rather than to deliberately create congestion.

5. The Scotsman and the establishment in general fought tooth and nail to keep tolls on the bridges. And now they are trying to give the impression that tolls removal is bad for drivers. We hope that even those drivers who don't use the bridges realise that the aim of keeping the tolls was as a toehold for introducing road tolls elsewhere in Scotland. If there are any drivers who regret the fact that the imposition of road tolls, "congestion charges" and "road pricing" is now unlikely in Scotland, then they can still head south and enjoy driving on tolled roads and bridges in Engla
11

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 28/02/2008 09:34:02
Quote at # 11 "If there are any drivers who regret the fact that the imposition of road tolls, "congestion charges" and "road pricing" is now unlikely in Scotland, then they can still head south and enjoy driving on tolled roads and bridges in England"

This may explain the 22,000 heading south that don't return? Could it be D. Napier et al moving south for the joys of tolled motoring?
12

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 09:39:50
The argument for the abolition of tolls on the Erskine and Skye Bridges was probably the correct one.

However, the tolls on the Forth and Tay Road Bridges should never have been abolished. The tolls, if anything, should have been doubled or even trebled, especially on the Forth Road Bridge! The increase in FETA revenue would have assisted towards the running costs of repairs, and prevented the unnecessary use of single occupancy cars.

It is to be hoped that the Chancellor will increase
Road Tax and fuel duty by a considerable amount in the forthcoming Budget?
13

Expat artist,

home 28/02/2008 09:50:44
35.000 more users in one week that should speed up the wear and tear on the bridge. So what's its life span now?
14

Padraig,

28/02/2008 10:39:23
Lachie (13) suggests that the Forth Bridge tolls should have been increased to help meet running costs. That's what the £52 BILLION paid by road users is supposed to be for, Lachie boy, but it gets purloined for "Green" initiatives which will have no effect on our planet or climate.

You really should get out your sandwich board and go out in public to see how seriously people take the loony Greens.

Sorry, Artist (14) - if I remember correctly, it is the huge increase in heavy truck loads that is over-stressing the bridge, not the increase in number of vehicles. Perhaps if we had an efficient railway system that could take that loading off the roads ...
15

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 10:39:49
As the bloke from FETA said, it's too early to draw any conclusions. And yes Dave from Barra, there was a school holiday when the tolls were scrapped!
16

Padraig,

28/02/2008 10:44:07
Good point, Dave from Barra (3) about the school holidays - it isn't just that mums don't run the kids to school then - their dads take annual holiday as well, which is what really brings down the traffic during school hols.

Perhaps FETA could provide Alastair Dalton with the figures for the last week before school broke up to compare the first toll-free weeks with. Unless of course, FETA is more interested in spin than bridge usage.
17

Hmm ...,

28/02/2008 10:51:20
NAATS (11) suggests that people are emigrating from Fife because there is more traffic southbound than north.

I used to have to do an Edinburgh - Stirling - Perth - Edinburgh run and for some reason always went that way instead of the more expensive anti-clockwise route.

Perhaps that is an indication of how popular the bridge tolls were with users - and of how they should have been scrapped years ago but for the anti-car dogma-driven Labour Executive!
18

Bob Charles,

28/02/2008 10:55:11
#11 & #12 (Mr Minogue & NAATS)

Fair enough with your views about tolls removal but why are you now flinging mud at FETA? e.g. the constant inference that there is somehow a 'deliberate' attempt at congestion rather than this is an inevitable consequence of removing tolls up until permanent roadworks are constructed?

Perhaps you should use you professional armchair consultancy role to help the civil engineering firms manage the roadworks?

Thought not...
19

Padraig,

28/02/2008 11:01:08
Bob Charles (19) - aren't you reading between the lines here? Or are you not altogether without a vested interest?

I had the impression too that the Labour councillor-driven FETA were making an effort to increase congestion (and cost) of implementing the toll-free policy wished on it by the new SNP government.

Or do you know better? Thought not.
20

D Napier,

28/02/2008 11:55:15
#12 Thomas J. Yes, I have been in England but only on business.

One thing I would like to say is that on my recent travels I have been greeted by people who are genuinely amazed that such fuss has been made over a £1 toll. Everyone I spoke to in England who had heard about the removal of the tolls had the same general response - that £1 was good value for money if it went towards the maintenance of the bridge. They also asked what other services would suffer to pay for the upkeep of the bridges. As I told them - that is something that the SNP government has not been prepared to divulge.
21

Hmm ...,

28/02/2008 12:47:21
... D Napier (no connection with the Napier / David Begg School of Traffic Mismanagement, then?)said none of his English business contacts were in favour of dropping bridge tolls then?

Strange - ALL of my English friends can't see why they should have to pay tolls when we in Scotland manage without! D. Napier's friends aren't both Greens, are they?
22

Man of Reason,

28/02/2008 13:21:56
#20 Padraig - There is currently only one Labour member on the FETA Board. Since the election last year is has been run by a coalition of Lib Dems and SNP from Fife and Edinburgh. At the first meeting following the election they passed a motion welcoming the abolition of tolls.

Unless this is an unusually influential single Labour councillor it seems a bit far-fetched to describe FETA as "Labour councillor led"!!!

Tom Minogue and NAATS just can't get over their historical hatred of FETA, even though they now agree on most things!
23

D Napier,

28/02/2008 13:28:37
#22 Hmm. Wrong on all counts I'm afraid.

#23. Man of Reason. Amazing how Mr Minogue didn't mind when toll revenues paid for the work that his company undertook on the Forth Road Bridge a number of years ago.
24

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 28/02/2008 14:52:33
Mr Minogue has no problem in being paid for work done for material and services supplied to the correct standard on a fixed price basis.

This is precisely what took place when my company Kingdom Engineering (Fife) Ltd. fabricated and installed approximately 200 tonnes of structural steelwork to form the cross-over points on the bridge.

If my memory serves me correctly my company undertook this work in 1996/97 and the toll revenues that the then cash-rich Joint Bridge Board paid us with would have been amassed pre-1996 when the bridge was being paid for as per the agreement with the people entered into by the Westminster Parliament when they agreed to allow tolls to be collected. Any monies collected after that period were by way of toll period extensions, which were unethical to say the least, and amounted to a breach of promise.

My awareness of the unfairness of the toll collection came about when, in my retirement, I supported the Lone Protestor George Cambell who opposed the toll increase in 2004. I had no clear idea of the unfairness of toll collections before then.

However that is not the point. I know what I know now and that is that the Chancellor collects somewhere in the region of £50 billion a year from motorists (in one form or another) and spends only a tiny fraction of that amounting to £8 billion on the UK's roads. The rest he spends on bombing roads and bridges abroad and then rebuilding them.

As a matter of interest since some members of the forum seem more interested in me than the topic my company also fabricated much of the steelwork on a "dropped object canopy" in the late 1980's early 1990's. This canopy was to be kept for future use by the Bridge Board after strengthening to the main towers. I wonder why FETA have had to spend over £1 million on a new one? And a new one that is not fit for purpose at that?

The tolls are gone--we won--get over it. Scotland is a toll free country!
25

Man of Reason,

28/02/2008 15:17:16
#25 Tom

A couple of points:

1. The cost of the bridge was in fact paid off in 1993, so it looks like you've accepted blood-money after all!
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_Road_Bridge)

2. Maybe FETA had to buy a new "dropped object canopy" because the one you made was crap?

Awra best

MOR
26

NAATS,

Britain 28/02/2008 15:29:27
Man of Reason (23) says that FETA is run by a coalition of Lib Dems and SNP. We doubt if the SNP would agree.

The current FETA Convener is a Lib Dem who was one of the most eager to keep the tolls. We would hope that despite his previous views the bridge and approaches would be managed in the interest of aiming for a smooth traffic flow. Time will tell, but in the meantime various interests are busy spinning negative stories about the removal of the tolls.

As we said before, all those who miss the tolls should go to England there are quite a few places where they still enjoy the "benefits" of tolls.
27

Bob Charles,

28/02/2008 16:07:12
NAATS

Why don't you ask Councillors Work, Chapman, Day & Chisolm what they're doing on the FETA board then as they're all SNP. Are they part of the 'conspiracy' to impede traffic flow?

The Convener doesn't control the board unless there's a casting vote.
28

Man of Reason,

28/02/2008 16:45:25
NAATS

So even though these SNP Councillors are in coalition with the Lib Dems in Edinburgh and Fife, they are in opposition when they take up their positions on the FETA Board? That doesn't bode well for them working together on the respective Transport Committees of Fife and Edinburgh.

But are you qualified to speak on behalf of the SNP? Maybe one of these councillors should come on here and explain their position for themselves.
29

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 28/02/2008 16:48:40
We need daily figures to see if the "increase" is due to more people commuting or opportune weekend or leisure movements. So who is collecting them?
30

geekpie,

forfar 28/02/2008 21:38:40
The SNP, with its populist little policies and lack of foresight, has created new congestion and new long distance commuters. Jack McConnell had a sensible answer to removing tolls. The Salmon had a dishonest and slippery one. The SNP is anti-business.
31

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 29/02/2008 11:11:37
And your evidence for more long distance commuters is?
32

Dr Egg,

HALFWAY ACROSS 05/03/2008 16:35:36
How do they know how many crossings are made when they've stopped taking tolls?

 

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