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Published Date: 07 November 2008
A STEADY stream of voters turned out at the Glenrothes by-election yesterday, despite the cold and rain. However, turnout was expected to be lacklustre as the battle to elect a new MP came to a climax.
Hundreds of activists turned out yesterday morning as all parties made a final push, but last night both the leading parties predicted the outcome would be close.

Tempers flared at one polling station, near the Cadham neighbourhood centre in Pitcoudie, when police were called to defuse an argument.

Labour said they had been told disabled campaigners handing out leaflets urging people not to vote SNP were harassed by Nationalist supporters. The SNP said they were aware of an incident.

Police said they moved on the people involved, and deputy returning officer Iain Grant said:

"The activists dispersed and there has been no interruption to the voting process." Elsewhere, however, the mood was much more relaxed. Outside a polling station in Markinch, the picturesque village on the eastern fringe of the constituency, there was an air of camaraderie.

One elderly SNP activist approached the Labour canvassers to shake hands and thank them for the sweets they had given him.

As evening set in, activists prepared to trade campaign stories over a pint in the cosy Laurelbank Hotel.

The most vocal campaigning in the constituency came from the SNP, with a car blaring out Alex Salmond's message.

Following the death of former Labour MP John MacDougall, who held the seat with a 10,664 majority, this seat was seen as pivotal to Gordon Brown's chances of staying in office.

After the loss of Glasgow East in the summer – previously a Labour stronghold – many predicted the party would be dealt a devastating defeat.

But, with Mr Brown's performance in handling the current economic crisis, his position has strengthened and the outcome of the Glenrothes by-election has become less crucial; although an SNP win would still be seen as a bloody nose for the Prime Minister.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, yesterday made his eleventh visit to the constituency and Mr Brown has also broken with convention to visit twice.

Lindsay Roy, the Labour candidate, and headteacher of Mr Brown's former school, cast his vote at a local primary school. "I am confident, optimistic, but not complacent," he said.

Peter Grant, the SNP candidate and Fife Council leader, also cast his vote at the Collydean Primary School.


'Cheek' of hidden charge for ID cards data

APPLICANTS for one of the UK government's new identity cards face a hidden charge to have their fingerprints and photograph taken, it emerged last night.

The Home Office yesterday invited private firms to bid for a £200 million annual contract to collect "biometric" details from applicants. Officials were forced to admit that the selected high street firm – Royal Mail or Boots the Chemist are possibilities – would be able to levy a fee on top of the £30 cost of the card. The Liberal Democrats said the hidden charge was an "incredible cheek" and could virtually double the cost.

The overall cost of the ID card scheme has risen to almost £4.8 billion. There will be a further £326 million bill to introduce the cards for non-European Union nationals wanting to enter the UK from 25 November. The cards, will be trialled on airport workers, and go nationwide from 2012.

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1

EPS,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 00:21:37
Dear Rufus

Have you quite finished?
2

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.glenrothesbyelection.co.uk 07/11/2008 01:03:50
In one of Scotland's safest Labour seats, the SNP have gained 4478 supporters since 2005.

That is 13% up - 8.16% swing to the SNP

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Labour have managed to hold onto the Glenrothes by election (a safe Labour seat with a 10k majority in 2005) by 551 less votes than they had in 2005.

This victory can be put down to the fact that, Gordon Brown and his Brown Bounce has been hailed "for the moment" as the leading figure in World Wide credit crunch politics, a credit crunch caused by the banking industry that, Gordon Brown de-regulated. However the coming recession in the Britain is being hailed as the worst amongst in the developed world.

This victory could also be put down to the global credit crunch and the failure of Icelandic banks and HBOS and RBS. The unfair spin that Labour has made over comments made by Alex Salmond's in 2005 on the arc of prosperity
in Independent Countries like Norway, Ireland and Iceland. An arc of prosperity that did exist until the global banking crisis, when the non oil producing Iceland and Ireland did suffer in the crisis. Unlike Norway.

Other aspects that contributed to this result is the timing of the election, leaving the votes only 42 days to register to vote. By election campaigning by Prime Minister Gordon Brown in Glenrothes. The fact that his candidates and the entire Labour party have been miss leading, campaigning on local issues, like home care, (that only effects around 200 people) that have, nothing to do with a Westminster based MP.
3

boudica,

Glasgow 07/11/2008 01:12:42
6 ...Why waste all that time typing all your if only this and percentages of that ...a simple >>boo hoo..boo hoo will suffice.....
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07/11/2008 01:40:32
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07/11/2008 01:54:19
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Sean 007,

West Lothian 07/11/2008 01:57:38
The swing was only 5%, with Labour actually increasing its vote by 3%. Hardly the earthquake predicted by Salmond. Where's his smirk now?
7

Sean 007,

West Lothian 07/11/2008 02:02:36
Where's all the cyber nats now... drowning their sorrows?
8

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 07/11/2008 02:48:01
Lindsay Roy will now be in a position to fix the bus services and increase the funding for schools like he campaigned on.

What? Those are devolved matters? What is Mr. Roy going to do then?

I guess he will be very busy furnishing his new London home at John Lewis.
9

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 07/11/2008 02:53:24
What is interesting about the result is that Labour increased there vote by 600 and the SNP increased theirs by 4.500 all at the expence of the Libdems and Tories.

Will this obviously tactical voting by Libdems and Tories lull SuperBrown into calling a General Election?

He has a small window left that is rapidly closing if he hopes to benefit from the "Brown Bounce".

If he waits defeat will be a certainty, as the UK starts to resemble a third world country (like Greenock) as the recession starts to bite. With economists projecting 2 million unemployed by Christmas he may have already waited too long.
10

Jimmy Le Pie,

07/11/2008 03:03:09
We might have lost a battle but we'll still win the war.

AM2 - this is a figure of speech, not a threat of violence! Wouldn't want you getting the wrong idea!!

SNP, for ALL the people of Scotland.
11

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

07/11/2008 03:31:13
All I can say is what a bunch of numpties the electorate in Glenrothes are!
You get what you deserve and you deserve to rot in your pits of filth. Traitors one and all!
12

An Beal Bacht,

07/11/2008 04:36:40
New Labour won the day - impossible as that sounds. I had been predicting a route by the SNP. Didn't happen. Aye - we reduced their majority - but so what - they retain the seat. It's time for nationalists to reflect on why so many voters rejected the independence project.
13

An Beal Bacht,

07/11/2008 04:40:31
'11 - Sean 007, West Lothian 07/11/2008 02:02:36
Where's all the cyber nats now... drowning their sorrows?'

No still here - I did think we'd take this seat - I was wrong.

We will take it eventually though. We're not going away.


14

Mallory,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 04:43:47
Fewer than sixty per cent of the electorate could be bothered to vote...
15

donald,

glasgow 07/11/2008 06:04:35
We'll be back to take your Union Jack.
16

steve 1511,

aberdeen 07/11/2008 06:41:14
our great leader comrade kim broon the big feartie must now call a general election on his policies,
the country is bankrupt
we will have the deepest recession of any of the major countries
unemployment will rise by millions
he will allow energy companies to continue to rip us off
he will allow the banks to continue to rip us off
he will allow british service personnel to continue to die in two wars
he will allow peoople to lose their home at record levels
he will allow corruption to continue amongst mps
he will no longer allow the people to vote as he did on europe
he will not control law and order
he will not allow boom and bust,just BUST BUST AND BUST
the list of vote winning policies is endless as the people of fife have shown
WE ARE DOOMED WITH BROON, DOOMED
17

Mari M,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 07:44:20
The nationalist bubble has burst, at long last. It is a pity it has taken a world wide economic crisis to bring so many to their senses and see through the SNP's political illiteracy. The blindfolds are coming off. Those who have cried from the wilderness pointing out the dangers of nationalism are at last being heard. The Glasgow East by-election ''victor'' missed the reality check but he better enjoy his time in Westminster, because it will be short.
18

subrosa,

07/11/2008 08:19:32
# 21

The nationalists will continue to govern Scotland efficiently and professionally and this is recognised by many Scots.

Let's wait a few months and see which party are politically illiterate shall we? When the UK is the biggest debtor of all civilised countries, when people find the £ in their pocket doesn't buy them their holiday in Lanzarote, when their gas and electricity bills aren't reduced, when their bank refuses to give them the latest interest rate cut on their mortgage.

Labour will be unable to do anything about the above. As Jim Murphy has just said on radio "We can't demand suppliers reduce their prices and we can't demand banks pass on the full interest rate cut." They can't do much can they??
19

subrosa,

07/11/2008 08:20:34
What's going on? Why has the comment number jumped to 1060?
20

Hugo of Garven,

07/11/2008 08:28:50
Congratulations to Labour on holding the seat.

We did not win because we only achieved a 16% swing to us.

I wonder how many SNP voters stayed at home because of the weather, thinking that their vote was not needed?
21

Jingo,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 08:29:18
A lady who works beside me and lives in Glenrothes had said that she and her family were all going to vote SNP but changed to Labour because of the mess the SNP had made of the world's banks. The rest of us at work looked at her in dibelief and asked how she worked that out. She said that the Labour people who came to her door had told her that the SNP had caused the problems and that it was Labour that had stepped in to save the world's banking system. She also said one of her friends had been told, again by a Labour canvasser, that the SNP had planned to sell of HBOS and the RBS to pay for Edinburgh's trams.
22

LEAL,

07/11/2008 08:34:51
21 There never was a Nationalist bubble.Over the last years there has been a growing acceptance that independence is a perfectly feasible for Scotland.Scaremongering and negative campaigning won the day for Labour yesterday over an SNP campaign which was seen to be over over confident and perhaps arrogant.The SNP will learn lessons from this.Come the general election the SNP will be campaigning on an anti nuclear weapons,anti nuclear power anti war in Iraq ticket with a positive message that Scotland is not to weak and stupid and is better independent in a climate of deep economic recession and high unemployment.The Brown bubble will have long since burst by then.The people will know by then that UK is suffering more in the recession than most small countries.
23

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/11/2008 08:39:26
The only reason Brown has got any bounce is due to having created the unregulated banking problems in the first place, stoked house price inflation unchecked and then steps in to "Save" the country by using an idea from Sweden almost at the last minute.

Just a shame that some voters in Glenrothes could not see past the lies and rhetoric and just went for the usual, lazy, unthinking option. He's had his moment, partly due to some allegations about council charging, but the overall verdict from the rest of the country is likely to be far less forgiving.
24

LEAL,

07/11/2008 08:42:46
26 jingo
Exactly,Labour mounted a more effective campaign.Was it mentioned in the SNP campaign that Labour supports nuclear power in Fife?The SNP need to do more than follow Salmond around the constituency in order to win.
25

Bring it Off,

UK 07/11/2008 08:52:34
#24 Joe Kircaldy;
Shame on the SNP supporters who were harassing disabled campaigners.. Salmond should apologise on behalf of these bullies..

Joe How about shame on the Labour supporters who allow bombing of children, women and innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is your dear leader Brown going to apologise I dont think so away an bile yer heid
26

EPS,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 09:07:24
#23 The comment total is recorded as being over 1000 because one individual or robot posted 1000 identical (and rude) messages in the first 20 minutes after midnight. These have been deleted and purged. My comment at #1001, now re-labelled #1, alludes to these 1000 messages.
27

Lianachan,

Highlands 07/11/2008 09:32:29
Those alledged SNP bullies are lucky the weren't shot by Labour's armed goons!
28

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 09:48:50
Fortunately, for Gordon Brown, and the Labour Party in Scotland, events turned in their favour.

As has been proved, Devolution was the Nationalist's opportunity, and now the collapse of the UK economy has been Labour's opportunity.

The Scots Unionist parties will enjoy gloating over this result but they would be very naive to actually believe that the Nationalists will simply disappear like snaw aff a dyke!

Nationalist momentum has been temporarily thrown off course but it has by no means been halted.

At every coming election the Unionist parties will by no means have an easy time as they are repeatedly called upon to defend the UK constitutional arrangement.

The grinding political war of attrition between the pro-Union and pro-Independence parties will undoubtedly continue for many decades to come.
29

Rasco,

07/11/2008 10:11:26
#26 Jingo I can't believe that anyone could be so taken in by that story but if so it just shows what the Lab have been saying and more to the point people actually believe them.
30

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/11/2008 10:27:02
I think most of us got it wrong - even those who thought it might be close. Labour increased their share by 3% and comfortably held on despite the SNP throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Labour. For the SNP it is not a disaster but it should give them pause for thought.

The reasons why they did not make the big break-through are complex but I'll try to give my thoughts on why they lost.

The SNP still try to fight elections as the opposition and, as we saw here, that is no longer the case in Scotland. The consequence of at least one policy contributed to their downfall here. The council tax freeze may be nationally a popular move but at a local level councils are finding it hard to implement. It was easy for Labour to attack the local Lib Dem/SNP coalition for charges for local services - charges I believe are a direct result of freezing the Council Tax. If they want to avoid this issue happening again then serious consideration is going to have to be given to the block grant levels that councils receive. That in itself may have implications for funding other Scottish Government priorities. Something will have to give - and it will not be the Council Tax freeze. I would expect some other SNP policy to be delayed or even abandoned altogether to keep their flagship policy intact.

Another issue is undoubtedly was independence. I have been derided here for pointing out that Labour would try to use the global financial crisis and events in countries such as Iceland for their own political benefit. Whether events in Iceland (or Hungary, Ukraine etc) have a direct correlation to Scottish independence is irrelevant (I personally don't think they do). The perception is that they do and the SNP have only themselves to blame. Salmond set himself up for a fall with his Arc of Prosperity speech. The SNP need to start making the case for Scottish independence purely in Scottish terms not on what another country has done.

(to be continued)
31

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/11/2008 10:27:15
(continued)

That brings us to the third area - oil. The last month or so has shown that economies who rely heavily on a particular natural resource suffer due to fluctuating commodity prices. Here in Scotland some are beginning to realise the fallacy of SNP economic policy that is built on the price of oil. The SNP were fine when oil prices were at a high level but now at the low price levels we have now their argument has been undermined. The SNP need to take oil out of the argument and make the case that economic independence is possible whether or not we have oil. That means they really do need to make a reassessment of their policies for a post-independence Scotland.

The truth is that if the SNP are going to win an independence referendum they have a long way to go to convince the agnostics in the electorate. They need to make a much more subtle case that the one they have made thus far.
32

Partan,

Fife 07/11/2008 10:48:05
#15 Champion Haggis Slayer McGlashan.
Hangover this morning/afternoon have we?
Hope so. It's the only excuse for that posting.
33

57vintage,

Keith 07/11/2008 11:10:33
"obviously tactical voting by Libdems and Tories"

It works both ways, believe me.

In 1970 when i worked in Banffshire for the SNP, the Labour vote swung in behind Hamish Watt to give him a respectable vote and second place to the tory Bill Baker, who was once apparently seen in the constituency netween elections.

By 1974 when I was working for Robert Duncan and Labour, we were telling people to vote SNP to rid the place of the tory - the vote went over and Hamish won it. I think Bob may even have lost his deposit but that was 34 years ago and we had 2 elections thay year, so I can't really remember. The same pattern was repeated when Douglas Henderson took E Aberdeenshire for the SNP in a similar Tory stronghold and rural Angus and Perthshire candidates benefited from anti-Tory tactical voting.

As I understand it, the Labour vote increased by 3%, the SNP vote by 13% and the concomitant reduction for the other parties was -3% for the Tories, -10% for the LibDems and, sadly -3% for the small parties. No-one without polling area breakdowns area by area for the past two polls (I imagine the keen wee SNP clipboard holders in their smart suits would have such a breakdown) can say which votes went where.

The other surprising thing is that the weather did not discourage Labour voters from turning out. It has always been accepted that Tories and SNP constituents, being more committed to their cause of choice on a personal level would always turn out, whilst the softer Labour vote would bide at hame when it was bucketing down. This time, it seems that Labour voters felt they had to ride to the rescue and showed some hitherto-unseen commitment.

Still only 52% though?

Voter cynicism and apathy, often fuelled by the parties themselves and aided by the nastier extremes of the media have a lot to answer for. This is the real enemy of democracy.
34

Lianachan,

Highlands 07/11/2008 11:29:16
#26 That is a shocking and despicable practice. Still, seems par for the course for Labour in that campaign (and in general).
35

LEAL,

07/11/2008 11:54:16
Labour won this in the last hours of campaigning.On Wednesday night the contest was on a knife edge.Everyone was agreed on that.Two things swung it Labours way.The 1.5% interest rate cut(a surprise to everyone in the financial sector,but very convenient for Labour),and over use of Salmond through the megaphones which irritated ennough people to go out and vote him down.SNP will learn from this.Brown wont have such good "luck" next time round,if he's still in office.Labour arent going to be able to spin away the dole Qs,or the nuclear power stations or the nuclear weapons or the illegal wars they continue to support.
36

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 07/11/2008 12:09:18
Firstly my congratulations to Lindsay Roy and his team.

I am sure that I speak for many if not most Nat's when I say that I am disapointed but not dispirited, in what has always been a topsy turvey by election it should be remebered that the SNP vote went up, it was progress but not enough.

As for the future, well the difference this time is that we don't go back to square one, we are still the Scottish Government, also there are sadly, a lot of unpleasant aspects of the financial crisis still to hit us and then Brown and even his friends in the media will have no place to hide, his unpopularity will grow once again and then the people of Scotland will have to decide whether they prefer a Tory government in London or independence, that's the question that won't go away.

Regarding decisions, the government can start by letting us know about post offices, after all the by election is over.
37

Shaken,

07/11/2008 12:55:13
#42

Good post

I think that now the election is won. All the unpopular decisions affecting towns like Glenrothes will be put through. Post office closures amongst them but in addition I don't think we'll see any gas or electricty 'windfalls' either
38

Alfred Winkleburg,

07/11/2008 13:30:25
A ten percent swing to the SNP?
No, it was a fourteen percent swing, 10% from the Lib-Dems and 4% from Other parties, not from Labour.
39

Alfred Winkleburg,

07/11/2008 13:32:23
Re:42

'Topsy Turvey by-election'?
Rubbish, talk about double-speak!

Have you even read George Orwell's 1984?

The SNP were humiliated in this election, everyone predicted a SNP victory and against all the odds the people of Glenrothes choose Labour.
40

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/11/2008 14:12:41
A really disappointing result. Enjoy it while you can because this seat will be up for grabs again within 18 months. Maybe a lot sooner.
41

Owertheforth,

07/11/2008 14:12:41
None of the disabled campaigners who were outside the polling station were Labour Party members or supporters. They came from different walks of life and very different political perspectives. Many in the wider campaign group are people for whom this is their first taste of political campaigning. One in particular who was outside the polling station was shocked by the intimidation the SNP gave them.

The level of viciousness of the SNP supporters in this discussion pretty bad. Not everyone supports the SNP or independence for various reasons. Its not because they are stupid or blind or ignorant, everyone is entitled to their own view but it seem SNP members can't cope with people disagreeing with them.
42

person who's right,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:38:39
#36/37 - good, thoughtful post.

But when you say a more 'subtle' message, what would you suggest? I was out on the streets of Glenrothes for the SNP and at the doorstep the level of understanding of politics was very low. I don't mean to talk down the very friendly and welcoming people I met and enjoyed talking to, but it's simply the truth.

So how can the SNP compete with a biased media (both tabloid and broadsheet) that just pumps out simple propaganda messages about Scotland being 'too wee' or 'too subsidised'. The arguments for independence do stack up, but it's not clear to me how to get them across to typical voters in places like Glenrothes.

Oh and for the record - there was a good atmosphere on the streets. Labour had bussed in loads of non-Scottish students which felt a bit odd but it was all friendly stuff.
43

arc of insolvency,

07/11/2008 17:46:00
The anti SNP media is a myth, based on the SNP trying to hound the papers into supporting them. Do you think highly articulate people from all walks of life are somehow bribed? Is it not the case that the ecconomic arguments for independence are ropey at best and the press refuse to promote such blinkered nationalism. I am all for getting the best out of the Union, but thinking an independent Scotland's voice would be better heard in the EU rather than as member of the UK is absurd. Salmond can't even get his manifesto pledges delivered, because he got his figures wrong!
44

Churchill W.,

08/11/2008 00:48:51
Typical nationalist tactic to bully the disabled, whether by raising costs to them, or, when they attempt to vote. Scottisn nationalists are despicable cowards whose destiny is to victimise the weakest in Scottish society. No wonder they got the bums-rush at the Glenrothes bye election!
45

Richard Lionheart,

08/11/2008 02:52:39
Why are journalists so emphatic that Gordon Brown has made a good job of handling the economic crisis?

The cost of borrowing is going up, businesses are going bust, houses are being repossessed and jobs are being lost. The IMF, Gordon Browns early warning system is saying that Britain will fair worst out of all the developed nations.

That is good?
46

MacGhillieBhain,

Aberdeen 08/11/2008 13:12:01
Well said #51. The s.n.p. support are indeed a bunch of unprincibled bullies.Everybody who doesn't agree with them on the least thing is branded a traitor or worse.The count at the Glenrothes by election was a classic example. When it became apparent that all was lost,their supporters (so called) left the hall en masse before the declaration.Some were blubbing over it.What a bunch of dunderheids.

 

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