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Published Date: 24 April 2008
TALKS aimed at averting a two-day strike by workers at the giant Grangemouth oil refinery broke down last night, forcing the likely closure of the plant.
The stoppage by up to 1,200 workers at the petrochemical complex on the Forth will now go ahead on Sunday and Monday, threatening fuel supplies to Scotland and the north of England.

Officials from the Unite union had been meeting with bosses
from Ineos, which owns the Grangemouth refinery, at the headquarters of the conciliation service Acas in London for the past two days.

But the union announced last night that the talks had failed to find a breakthrough in a dispute over pensions.

The strike has been called in protest at plans by Ineos to modify its final salary pension scheme, including closing it to new workers and seeking contributions from existing members of the scheme.

A spokesman for the union said: "Unite's negotiators were disappointed with the company's refusal to withdraw controversial pension plans and, therefore, the two-day strike will go ahead."

A statement from Acas said that although the two sides had not come to an agreement, time had been spent addressing the issue of safety and the integrity of the Grangemouth complex during the strike. "An agreement covering these issues has been reached for the period of the dispute," it said.

Ineos had already started shutting down Grangemouth, the largest refinery in Scotland, and had already warned of fuel shortages from later this week if the strike went ahead.

The firm said it now had no option but to completely shut down the site on Saturday evening to make sure it was safe during the strike.

The company accused Unite of rejecting proposals to resolve the dispute. Ineos said it had put forward "significant" new proposals during the talks at Acas.

The company said it had offered to take all the changes to the pension scheme off the table and make them the subject of a three-month discussion so that the strike threat would be removed, although future new employees would be removed from the scheme.

Tom Crotty, chief executive of Ineos, said: "We have done everything we can to resolve this dispute. The plain fact is that the union seems hell-bent on pursuing a strike that will cause chaos and disruption for the people of Scotland and across the UK."

The AA, Britain's largest motoring organisation, said motorists should not panic. Paul Watters, the AA's head of public affairs, said: "I don't suppose this news has come as a massive surprise as it has been quite a public airing of the issues and the positions of both sides were quite strong in terms of taking a hard line. There still is no reason for people to panic. We have to put our trust in the petroleum industry to keep Scotland's pumps filled.

"They have said they can do that and the proof of the pudding will play out over the next week or so."

Mr Watters added that England had coped with fuel shortages after the fire at the Coryton refinery in Essex and the explosion at Buncefield.

"What motorists don't need to do is to keep their tanks full," he said. "They should keep filling the normal amount."

NO REASON TO PANIC, SAY OIL CHIEFS

THE UK Petroleum Industry Association, which represents oil giants such as BP, Shell and the UK operations of international firms, said yesterday stocks at Grangemouth were enough to supply Scotland through the two-day stoppage.

Chris Hunt, the association's director-general, said: "Cargoes of product are being sourced to satisfy demand during the period the refinery is coming back on stream. There have been temporary stock-outs caused by panic-buying, but service stations will be replenished as soon as possible."

He also said production at Grangemouth had "no effect" on internationally traded oil.

Mr Hunt said: "Grangemouth is a UK refinery processing crude oil into finished petroleum products; it therefore has no effect on internationally traded crude oil, which ultimately forms the basis of prices at the pumps."





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24/04/2008 00:02:10
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24/04/2008 00:19:52
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road haulage worker,

lanarkshire 24/04/2008 00:20:17
well done to Unite for taking a stance against a company who is willing to hold Scotland by the throat to get their own way over previously agreed pension rights, Good to see someone with the balls to say NO to the oil men, we should be on the streets supporting these union members, if only we all had the resolve to park our cars and walk the oil giants would loss the power they have over us all. How we would all love to be in jobs with great pay and pension rights..how we all envy the people who have them..how I hope no one should have to sign their rights away, Scotland united will never be defeated.
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Teofilio Cubillas,

24/04/2008 00:20:26
Time to put the tin foil hat on, mate.
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Teofilio Cubillas,

24/04/2008 00:21:12
No 1 that is
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Teofilio Cubillas,

24/04/2008 00:21:35
And no 2 for that matter
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24/04/2008 00:46:25
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24/04/2008 00:48:00
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Fanling,

Hong Kong 24/04/2008 01:10:28
#1, 2, 7, 8

What the hell are these comments about, apart from having bog-all to do with the imminent and pointless disruption at Grangemouth? We see inanity aplenty on these forums, but the aforementioned posters are cast far adrift from the topic.
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John Blackley,

Florida 24/04/2008 01:37:45
Fanling, they're being 'clever'.
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Fanling,

Hong Kong 24/04/2008 01:57:36
#10 JB Florida
Clearly there's an editorial cockup there. Or I'm going doolally. I think we've entered the fifth dimension here.
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Samcafe,

Glasgow 24/04/2008 06:06:07
Alfred and Miss H, wot a bore.

Why has Ineos not started to shut down its other 3 crackers for H&S reasons? Or was the much heralded closure of part of the plant just a spin on routine maintenance anyway?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/04/2008 06:26:32
9 Alf's been posting this stuff on a few threids this morning. No doubt he's celebrating how to cut & paste
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Spacepimp,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 06:58:03
Methinks Unite have shafted the worker yet again!
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Kevin@Work,

Work 24/04/2008 07:53:45
So what sets these workers out from the rest of us that are forced to make contributions to our pensions? Their strike will win them no favours.
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Mugen,

Livingston 24/04/2008 08:00:33
looks like greedy workers stuck in th epast.
It's understandable that they wouldn't want to pay towards their pension, but gordon brown mucked up the pensions (along with everything else he touches) Brown finger right enuff..
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 24/04/2008 08:57:35
Mr Salmond, this is your government's biggest challenge to date. Do not hide behind the UK government. Scotland needs leadership - now.
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Tam Weea,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 08:58:14
80% of final salary schemes in the UK are closed to new entrants and the vast majority have implemented compulsory employee contributions.

Welcome to the real world Unite.
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Paddi,

24/04/2008 08:59:10
#15 & 16 Spot on. i ahve been asked to pay 5% into my DB pension, i didnt have to. If i disagreed then i would be offered a DC arrangement. it's time these dinosaurs woke up to reality.
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Venachar,

24/04/2008 09:23:35
Just shows how stupid the current crop of trade unionists are! If they had any sense they would have said okay we'll contribute but you match up to 9% contibutions ( for the employer) or whatever makes a bonus for their members - shoe on the other foot. See what would happen then.

1970's morons, if they keep on in this manner Grangemouth will close and everything will be piped down to England is as most of the Ethylene is from Mossmoran.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 24/04/2008 09:26:44
Once the cars are running on fuller tanks than normal their drivers will not be able to top them up any further. I am sure there will be streams of tankers heading north and the other 90% of refineries will take up the slack. Things will more than likely settle back to normal and panic buying will stop.

As for Ineos and Unite they can then be locked in their intransigent negotiations for as long as they like. Industrial disputes as bitter as this one make it difficult to reach a compromise. I reckon it will drag on and Grangemouth will be shut down for as often as it is running.

It is a farce that this dispute is over the pensions of workers who don't yet exist. But the disaster is not the inconvenience for the motorist (they will be supplied by others) it is the shutting down of the North Sea as much of North Sea production comes through Grangemouth, particularly BP Forties. The revenue lost by this dispute will make the pension cost look like real samll beer.

I would imagine that the wise guys who disposed of BP's sole means of getting their product out must look very silly today.
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MoragtheToerag,

Argyll 24/04/2008 09:40:52
Here in rural Argyll, we're going to be f*&^ed.
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BenA1,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 10:01:43
I'm always amazed at how eager people are to direct their anger at people fighting to protect their terms of employment.

Don't be angry at Grangemouth employees for having a decent pension scheme - be angry at your own boss for having done away with yours years ago.

The reason most workers these days don't have a decent pension provision at work is because in the past Unions ended up signing agreements that kept Final Salary schemes for existing employees, but did away with them for new starts. The union members at Grangemouth deserve our respect for fighting to protect the colleagues they haven't yet met, not our scorn for standing up for what they believe in.
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Big T,

24/04/2008 10:10:56
I just listened to some Unite Union guy on the radio this morning. Jeez but he souded thick!

What a 70's throw back - he must of been part of Scargill's think tank when these morons gave Thatcher every reason to shut the mining industry.

The current employees have now been offered NO CHANGE to their current fantastic pension however, these Union morons want to strike for employess who are not even employees yet!!!

90% of all private sector workers in this country have had to face the reality that Final Salary Schemes in todays world economic climate are fundementally flawed and create massive black holes. Either Companies have to change them to Money Purchase schemes or they go bust and workers are out of a job. That is the FACTS!

Never mind public sector workers will still get their juicy final salary schemes as the workers in private industry will have to throw in more and more of OUR tax money to pay for them.
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ratatouille,

scotland 24/04/2008 10:15:18
As someone who has been out of work (not through choice) for the past year, the wokers at Grangemouth seem to be in a very good position. They have well-paid jobs and those already working there will retain their non-contributory pensions....new workers will know which pension scheme they are coming into, and will be able to make up their own minds what is more important - having a well paid job with contributory pension or if they decide that is unacceptable, no job. I also wonder why the MP for the area can be heard effectively anning the flames of the dispute by constantly criticising the company. It brings jobs and investment to what would otherwise be avery depressed area.
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Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 24/04/2008 10:21:10
Salmond/Swinney, what we need is leadership, not pontification.
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Phil C,

24/04/2008 11:12:25
We all have to be careful to maintain acceptable standards- workers, unions and employers. There seem to be some out-of-date Millie Tants on here who will support the worker come what may. In this case I think they are wrong. The employer is, quite reasonably, trying to offset the considerable risks in maintaining the scheme against the sensible tide, and protect it's long term future.

These well-paid workers are being offered a final salary scheme for a 6% contribution, phased in over 6 years. Doesn't sound too bad to me!!

Maybe they should do a deal to accept pay rises of 1% over national average earnings for 6 years to compensate. That takes away any question of a pay-cut and we can all get on with our lives. The workers have a contributory pension scheme like nearly all others lucky enough to have a pension and we can continue to drive our cars to the detriment of others!

Better still, let's invest the tram money into research into cars that run on water or air! The technology is just about there and all these poor workers could take early retirment with their fat pensions!
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Venachar,

24/04/2008 11:30:03
#27 Lance

Get real. This has nothing to do with Mssrs Salmond and Swinney.
The attitude of Unite at Grangemouth says it all about Scotland legacy from Labour. Dishing out grants for short term jobs without guarantees.
Mossmoran has been running for 25 years, yet 2/3 of the site remains undeveloped. This relegates the country to being nothing more than a third world producer. All the product is exported, there is no enhanced value production into chemicals or plastics for example.

Why has this happened, well every time Bayer or anyone else wanted developement - Public Enquiry was the cry and the loudest cry from certain Labour MEP's.

Grangemouth is a historical accident, and no-one there is guaranteed to be in employment for ever. There have been problems in obtaining investment for the site to maintain its position. Unite seem to following a path that is confrontational.

Another alternative to confrontation is that all the 750,000bbls a day is shipped out of Hound Point. Flatten Grangemouth refining build a few more storage tanks and import all products. Losing 1,200 plant jobs and goodness knows how many downstream jobs.

If they were about to lose their pensions I would support them but this is a non cause - get real Unite.








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Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 24/04/2008 11:35:10
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Venachar, you take a very simplistic view of industrial relations. It is obvious that you have led (and continue to lead) a very sheltered right wing nationalist lifestyle (like many of your compatriots). Time to get real, friend ...
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Venachar,

24/04/2008 11:55:49
Lance Dear Chap!

Worked throughout the world in the Oil & gas industry for over thirty years! All my family were shipbuilders on the Clyde, went to a state school and then on to college. Where are the shipyards, steelwworks now? Sheltered no! Worldly wise perhaps and certainly no political theorist.

If you have something positive to contribute then please carry on.
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ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 24/04/2008 12:59:36
Agree with the comments above (#15, 16, 19, 20), these workers are dreaming of days gone by. Any commercial operation is moving away from final, non contributary pensions. They should be lucky that they still have one themselves. It is only new employees that are not allowed the final salary.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE BACON

Would love Ineos (?) to go and sack the lot of them. 1200 workers should not be allowed to have the power of bringing a nation to a standstill.
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The Voice of Reason,

24/04/2008 13:45:21
Again, just to clarify, it is only the unionised staff at Grangemouth that are going out on strike. A significant proportion of the workforce are not members of Unite and will still be working.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 24/04/2008 15:18:08
I have the perfect solution to this and other crises.
Ineos should buy Trump's land in Aberdeenshire.
Relocate their refinery there. All problems solved.

No Mr Trump to tarnish Salmond with the smell of sleaze.
No bolshie trade unionists to deal with, only employees getting a good deal when they see one
No rich Yanks on golf courses with fancy houses taking away affordable housing for the locals and disturbing the sand dunes
No toilet cleaning jobs for Poles only well-paid jobs with fantastic pensions
No fuel shortages with a shorter pipeline from the North Sea
No need for a £1bn investment, Ineos could invest much less and provide 1000s of jobs.
Everybody happy!
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davestat,

24/04/2008 17:24:14
The so-called "Voice of Reason" is wrong. Of the 1,350 staff at Grangemouth 1,250 are members of Unite and are coming out on strike. The hugely profitable company are seeking to cut the pay of their workforce who make the profits for them. Pensions are nothing but deferred pay and a cut in pension is a cut in pay.
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T,,

24/04/2008 17:26:52
25 Big T
Which public sector workers don't pay towards their pension and will have it paid out of tax?
I know that teachers pay 6% towards theirs. Most of these oil workers earn more money than most teachers in Scotland, paying the same 6% would leave the oil workers with the same or more money at the end of the month and teachers aren't holding the country to ransome (- in Scotland). This is only for new workers apparently so I don't understand this level of action.
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hmmmmm!,

Edinburgh 25/04/2008 18:30:52
Stand your ground boys. As one who was involved in the Firefighters strike I know what it feels like to read the tripe that can be said about you and your union. Keep your chins up and your pride intact.

 

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