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Published Date:
07 June 2007
ALEX Salmond's attempts to boost the Scottish Executive's green credentials backfired yesterday as it emerged that the hybrid cars he is trialling are more polluting than those they could replace.
The First Minister and his colleagues are to test-drive two electric-petrol Lexus GS 450h saloons as possible successors to their current LPG-fuelled Volvo S80 SE cars.

Hybrid cars are seen as greener because they are powered by batteries at low
speeds and petrol at higher speeds.

But the Lexus is more polluting than conventional engined cars in its class - prompting green campaigners to pour scorn on the trial.

The Lexus has a 3.5 litre engine compared to the Volvo's 2.4 litre, and produces 186 g/km of carbon dioxide, compared to 184 g/km by the Volvo.

Green transport groups said ministers using the Lexus would send out the wrong message. They said the vehicle looked aggressive and would give a poor impression to pedestrians.

Ministers in the last Scottish Executive were attacked last year for driving the equivalent of 17 times round the world, despite urging people to use public transport or walk.

The SNP-led Executive said ministers had decided to take up a free trial of the Lexus in an attempt to make their car fleet greener. There are already five smaller hybrid cars in the fleet - Toyota Prius and Honda Civic - but they are used for short, urban journeys.

A spokesman for Mr Salmond said the Executive was exploring the possibility of using other hybrid cars for longer journeys.

"The government is committed to being as environmentally sensitive as possible in line with a greener Scotland being one of our five strategic objectives. We want to ensure we have the most environmentally friendly vehicles possible for the journeys being undertaken.

"The trial vehicles will be used by a variety of ministers and drivers over the period of the trial to assess suitability. If we decided to buy any of these vehicles - which may not be new - these would replace existing less environmentally friendly vehicles in the fleet with more environmentally friendly ones."

Volvo S80s are the most common of some 23 cars in the Government Car Service (Scotland) fleet, which also includes a Renault Espace.

Mr Salmond's spokesman said the fleet was also used by visiting UK ministers, senior Executive officials, visiting dignitaries, "and, where necessary, the transportation of official documents".

He said if more hybrid vehicles were bought, it was intended that this would not increase the fleet's overall running costs.

Andrew Davis, the director of the Environmental Transport Association, which advises consumers on the greenest cars, said the Lexus was the wrong choice if ministers genuinely wanted to be more environmentally responsible.

He said: "We welcome any move in the right direction but, on the face of it, this is just quick points collecting.

"The Lexus sends out the wrong message - it allows people to have a hybrid car and feel good about it.

"Like most cars of its class, it is not very green because there are lots of smaller petrol cars which produce less carbon dioxide."

Mr Davis added: "Even within its class, the Lexus is quite a beefy, heavy car and has a large engine. It is also an aggressive-looking car, giving pedestrians the impression they should not be on the road."

Mr Davis said other petrol- engine executive cars produced lower emissions, such as the Skoda Superb, at 159 g/km.

A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said the environmental performance of the trial cars would be assessed before any decisions were taken.

He added: "We want to be as environmentally friendly as possible, and trialling hybrid vehicles over longer distances is part of that."

VOLVO S80 SE BI-FUEL

Price: £25,968 (2005; discontinued)
Engine size: 2,435cc
Fuel: LPG
Emissions: 184 g/km
Maximum Speed: 127mph
0-62mph: 10.6 seconds
Weight: 1,567 kg

LEXUS GS 450h

Price: £38,080
Engine size: 3,456cc
Fuel: battery-petrol hybrid
emissions: 186 g/km
Maximum speed: 155mph
0-62mph: 5.9 seconds
Weight: 1,865 kg



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1

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

07/06/2007 00:57:07

Behind the green brigade.......are the progressive taxation agenda merchants.........besides the water fuelled car is a reality......so yet again its smoke and mirrors :)

2

Conan,

Here 07/06/2007 01:26:15

I pay no attention to 'green' advocates unless they walk everywhere.

3

Keren, It's time,

07/06/2007 01:52:23

Green loonies.

4

SNP hypocrisy,

07/06/2007 01:52:49

I drive a hybrid. Let me tell you that they cost considerably more than a standard car. The special batteries require to be replaced after 3 or 4 years and they aren't cheap. You'd find that you'd spent the cost of a car just in all the price and the batteries. Best car on the market right now for economy and environment weighed against price is actually the petrol Toyota Corrolla.

5

Name,

07/06/2007 01:56:00

Vrooom, vrooom....

6

Brisbane Scot,

07/06/2007 04:36:29

More garbish from the hootsman having a go at the SNP.

Like all business/public the government are not so called experts in all things. We all know this would be organised by the people responsable for fleet purchasing and maintanence. They are responsable for all trials/assessments of equipment. It will also be the same people that were there during Nicol/wee Jokee's time so why are they using it as propaganda against the SNP.

This paper and the failed LibDems/Labour Party are in real danger of completely alienateing the Scottish Electrate as much as Blair and Brown have. Get to grips with it boys, you lost. It seems very obvious that these parties and the media have decided their main goal is to try get rid of the SNP Government by hook or by Bliar sorry crook. Isnt that treason when you conive to undermine and remove an elected government.Of course the Scottish people who have seen so many positives may decide to re elect an honest party who listen to them with a massive majority. Could be really good having a majority so we can go ahead with a referendum and get rid of the Anglo Parties for once and for all.

The only parties that appears to show any sense in their actions are Ms Goldies and the Greens.

Its Time for the Anglo LibDems/ Labour to start showing a bit of respect to Scotlands Elected Government.

7

bully wee alba,

on the 22 bus route 07/06/2007 05:00:13

Mr Davis added: "Even within its class, the Lexus is quite a beefy, heavy car and has a large engine. It is also an aggressive-looking car, giving pedestrians the impression they should not be on the road."

Surely pedestrians should be on the pavements, thereby avoiding being intimidated by this seemingly belligerent vehicle?

8

James,

Dundee 07/06/2007 05:00:27

More green phlegm from the Jokeman.

9

Pilrig,

Livingston 07/06/2007 05:23:08

Any chance to have a go at the SNP. And I thought Andrew Neill had departed from their offices.

10

Boyce,

Edinburgh 07/06/2007 06:01:18

Unbelievable the SNP takes the time to test out something before they become involved with it and find it has failed so no doubt they wont go ahead with it or at least get it modified so it does what its supposed to do and this paper spins it as negative a story. It wont matter what they do or which road they take they will never get it right for the columnists in this paper.

11

Sonnaidh,

Alba mo Ghraidh 07/06/2007 06:24:25

Idiot SNP - imagine trying things out before the make decisions. In the gopod old days, Tony would just have telt Wee Jacky.

Michty me - these uppity Jocks really have no shame!

12

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07/06/2007 06:59:58
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13

Angus McIonnach,

Embra 07/06/2007 07:12:07

If the SNP are trialling new motors in the expectation that they'll reduce emissions then they really are green numpties.
However, car emissions are a drop in the ocean, and 2 (two!) g/m2 extra emissions relative to 184 is a tiny speck in that drop.
And anyway, one would hope that they arent thinking of replacing the volvos with the lexi but doing as they state - replacing the less energy efficient cars.

Plus, the Lexus is much more awesome.

Green spokesnumpty: "The Lexus sends out the wrong message - it allows people to have a hybrid car and feel good about it."

Exactly - in green hairshirt land you aren't supposed to feel good. The greens are anti-science secular religious puritans.

14

Anne, Glasgow,

07/06/2007 07:18:45

Thank you #12. I agree. I have heard a lot of sense from the SNP since they were elected and nothing but sour grapes from Labour/LibDem.

15

EG,

07/06/2007 07:35:43

The cars looks are now important as well - will they rename themselves the pretty green party?

16

GD,

Tramspotting 07/06/2007 07:39:15

What about building a tramline between Holyrood and Bute House?

17

Venom217,

Glasgow 07/06/2007 07:48:32

They said the "vehicle looked aggressive to pedestrians"

Yes, that is why cars go on the roads and pedestrians on the pavements - all cars look aggresive if they are coming at you and you are in the wrong place.

Exactly why a Green party will never run the country.

18

Bored,

07/06/2007 07:55:13

Has anyone noticed that the Volvo the Lexus is being compared to is no longer in production?

19

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 07/06/2007 07:59:23

Focus on the facts - below..

We are only talking just over 1% difference here between the two - It's like saying a car that does 32 mpg is wonderful and a car that does 31 mpg is a disaster.

May we please have a sense of proportion?

QUOTE...
"The Lexus has a 3.5 litre engine compared to the Volvo's 2.4 litre, and produces 186 g/km of carbon dioxide, compared to 184 g/km by the Volvo."

20

Alastair the First,

07/06/2007 08:06:43

This is just another attempted smear by the Scotsman... BUT:

Those of us who are interested in cars know full well that the whole life environmental cost of a hybrid is huge - the batteries are the main problem as mining the nickel (I think!) needed for them causes huge environmental damage.

They would be far better just going for an advanced diesel engine with a particulate filter.

21

Venom217,

Glasgow 07/06/2007 08:11:37

25

You are asking for common sense from environmentalists? - Burn the heretic

22

Bored,

07/06/2007 08:11:53

No.1 Scott

I put water into my tank this morning and the car won't start. Garage tells me the engine is flooded!

23

employer,

glasgow 07/06/2007 08:22:39

Push bikes Train and bus, its not as if they need security, just a hand with their ego's

24

art1000,

Dunfermline 07/06/2007 08:26:44

Actually this could be an opportunity for an interesting project to retrofit the Lexus with a Lithium Ion battery pack that charges from a wall socket making them PLUG IN HYBRIDS!

A similarly coverted prius gets 125mpg equivalent by permitting an electric only range of 50+miles. As the Lexus uses the same Hybrid Synergy Drive we could look to get the same from the Lexus.

This would be a great project for the likes of Napier University to get involved in and technical input could be sought from the likes of Calcars in the US (see www.calcars.org) who did it for the prius. The results would be high profile and of worldwide interest. Maybe we could a big bank or something to sponsor it.


The cost of conversion might be something like £10-15k per vehicle but we would have spawned a little local centre of expertise and a maybe a little local spin off company to do conversions for other government vehicles.

26

Polmonto,

07/06/2007 08:32:58

Cars? What is wrong with public tram-sport?

27

truthsleuth,

South of the Border 07/06/2007 08:34:15

bully wee alba:

No cars should not be parking on the pavement they should be left on the road.

28

Venom217,

Glasgow 07/06/2007 08:38:29

33

Don't start the Tram thing off again please, I beg you!

29

truthsleuth,

South of the Border 07/06/2007 08:39:29

Media Watch:
I agree with you the world is flat. The space shots show this, it is a flat plate to say its a sphere is a lie their just another means of increasing taxation.

DENIERS - Ah well

30

truthsleuth,

South of the Border 07/06/2007 08:50:12

Art 1000: Lets go the whole hog.
With minor redesign, small nuclear power packs could be installed in cars just as in space sattelites. With automated sat nav installed you could then remove the pains of driving with a robot called Flash Gordon.

31

art1000,

Dunfermline 07/06/2007 09:12:19

#37

What I am suggesting is perfectly reasonable - both technically and commercially. For example, a Canadian company called Hymotion already carries out these conversions. Did you have a look at Calcars website? Calcars is a not for profit organisation that could assist technically.

Bye the way I find your attempts at sarcasm a bit pathetic. However, I would be glad to get some sensible feedback on my suggestion.

32

Edward,

07/06/2007 09:18:18

I think they should also be trying out the New BMW 7 series Hydrogen Hybrid
Runs on Hydrogen and only produces water when doing so, no CO2

33

Boyce,

Edinburgh 07/06/2007 09:19:19

13

What valid critisism?
The SNP has been in power for only a couple of weeks yet every little detail of every step they have taken has come under critisism even when they have fullfilled their election promises or taken steps to fullfill their election promises. If they didnt try to fullfill their election promises they would be critisised for that and it will continue as long as the media in this country refuses to remain impartial to party politics.

34

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

07/06/2007 09:40:26

Comment@29 YOU SIR.......should have used these guys :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU

35

Angus McIonnach,

Embra 07/06/2007 09:43:10

"The cost of conversion might be something like £10-15k per vehicle but we would have spawned a little local centre of expertise and a maybe a little local spin off company to do conversions for other government vehicles."

Yay! Let's smash windows and create a glazing centre of expertise too.

36

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

07/06/2007 09:45:20

Ohhh and here is a question for all of you.......do you remember years ago as a kid......your old electric meter used to hum from time to time.......................want to know the reason for that............becuase it was CREATING one third of its power @ the meter ...........have a doubt ? watch this interview:) http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=301719477183786...

37

art1000,

Dunfermline 07/06/2007 09:52:04

#39 That's an exciting idea too. Maybe BMW could provide them and a fueling station to the SE free of charge for the publicity and kudos (and also to stop them going down the plug-in hybrid route).

38

OscarMacApfel,

07/06/2007 10:46:39

Since Alastair Dalton is employed by the Scotsman as a transport correspondent, perhaps he has the expertise to inform us, our First Minister and his Scottish Government exactly what cars they should be using.

39

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 07/06/2007 10:53:15

The beauty of the Lexus is, because it is big and beefy, able to double up as a tram. Once Alex and Co have suitably run in the vehicles, the Executive will be giving lifts from Holyrood along Princes Street and out to the Airport. No need for laying down rails in the roadway or tunneling under that runway. A fortune saved and everybody happy. SNP government in action. Even the Auditor General says its money well saved. Now can we move on to real news.

40

Polmonto,

07/06/2007 10:59:59

Salmond should have his own hydrogen powered tram for getting everywhere. Obviously, it will need some wee pram-wheel out-riders for places without rails and some of those 22 bus out-riggers for the guided concrete expressway utopia I hope to see built soon.

41

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 07/06/2007 11:06:40

Scottwebb #1 #43

Why do you even bother posting those links, they are complete nonsense, I have seen you post links for water powered engines, tesla coils, the last one was about Nazi UFO's!! Its all conspiracy theorist twonk.

Im just waiting for you to claim that the Royal family are space lizards in people suits.

42

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

07/06/2007 11:12:59

Comment@50 I take it the XL stands for the size of the mental block that suppresses understanding ....Hoax ehh ? ........heres the company that does the water fuel http://hytechapps.com/

Tell them they are a hoax then :)

43

fred bloggs,

in my tree 07/06/2007 11:33:04
44

fred bloggs,

in my tree 07/06/2007 12:03:01

51. It's an additive for fossil fuel they state so no help with emissions (even if it is genuine which I doubt - website has a geeky phony look to it...)

45

Edward,

07/06/2007 12:03:41

I find it amazing the amount of criticism being leveled at the SNP Government over this story
Its purile in the extreme, those that are just being critical for the sake of trying to put down the SNP, should really grow up!
The fact is, the replacement of government cars is a fact of life, get over it!. Its just part of the minutia of how a government is. The current stock of cars in the Government Car Service (Scotland) fleet, is probably coming up for renewal, unless of course you want your government officials riding around in elderly cars!. Its good governance, its something that companies do every 3 years.
The SNP government are taking an interest in trying to make the choice more 'green' . The fact that there looking at the Lexus, is based on what there being told by those in Government Car Service is whats available. I would hope that Government Car Service actually widen there look at and see what other cars are available that would fit there criteria's for the next three years, taking into consideration emissions, fleet purchase deals and deals on buy backs, when the fleet comes up for replacement

46

MikeXL,

Edinburgh 07/06/2007 12:15:15

#51 Scottwebb

Are you suggesting that because there is a website it isnt nonsense? I could paste links to 100s of websites written by people that believe they have been abducted by aliens but it wouldnt make them any less insane.

47

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

07/06/2007 12:21:18

Well tell it to the US Army then :)

48

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

07/06/2007 12:24:05

Comment@54 Fred, its not an additive......but then you know that already :)

49

Eve,

Scotland 07/06/2007 12:33:13

Surely this is the car manufature blunder. As they are the one who are making claims about the cars, that have unfourtuntly turn out to be untrue.

51

Daibhidh,

07/06/2007 12:50:37

"SNP-led Executive " ...sorry, it's an SNP Government full stop...

52

www.scottwebb.co.uk..,

07/06/2007 12:55:11

Anyway.....on a cheery note.........here is the real problem lmao :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-892c_QXfs&mode=relat...=

53

fred bloggs,

in my tree 07/06/2007 12:55:50

58. Scottweb: Your reply indicates to me that you have not read or understood your own link: the process desribed involves the electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen and then injecting the two gases into a fossil fuel engine thereby improving its efficiency. This sounds exceedingly dangerous to me. No account is taken of the cost of the energy required to carry out the electrolysis. I think it's a con.

54

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07/06/2007 14:51:23
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55

Paul O'Brien,

Glasgow 07/06/2007 15:58:26

Same old 'sun spot activity' story for global warming. Obviously advocates of this theory know nothing about the subject.
Pete, when was the last time you saw the Northern Lights in Kirkcudbright?
We are currently in a quite period for solar wind activity i.e. charged particles from the sun reacting with the earth's magnetic field (which causes the aurora). It is due to hit a high in 2010.

So, filling our atmosphere with the highest concentration of green house gases in the last 12,000 years will have absolutely no effect?

Are you willing to bet your children's future well being on that? Or would you rather spend some money now to reduce the potential threat just in case the majority of world scientists are right?

What's the worst that could happen? You give your children and their children a solution to the issue of fossil fuels running out a bit earlier than necessary.

The point, in this case, is that Lexus have produced a car with lower emissions compared to other petrol and diesel based luxury models with a similar engine size. This is a technology that can be delivered now and does not require the major investment that the much better (for the environment) hydrogen fuel based cars will require before they can become financially viable.

56

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/06/2007 19:02:35

Why doesn't the Scotsman put their correspondents up as candidates at the next election?

Seeing as they seem to know how to look over shoulders and be able to do do everything better.

The mystery, never named, signatory in the daily editorial comment/opinion for first minister anyone?

57

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/06/2007 19:05:17

Hootsmanism is worse than nationalism

58

fred bloggs,

07/06/2007 19:10:58

66. The answer to your question about Antarctica is complicated but well explained in 'The Rough Guide to Climate Change'

59

Alan Reid,

NZ 08/06/2007 00:14:20

Not goverment Gordon, London would NEVER allow it! And remember no more powers than a parish council. But of course the the labour/Tory/Libdem's love that, for Scotland to keep kow towing to England.


 

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