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HBOS unveils plans for global HQ



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Published Date: 04 March 2008
BANK gazumps developers as it enters talks with Scottish & Newcastle to buy former brewery for more than £100 million
THE banking giant HBOS is planning to create a massive new global headquarters' complex in Edinburgh city centre, The Scotsman has learned.

The company is in advanced talks to buy a historic former brewery site in Fountainbridge for a state-of-the-art base for around 6,000 staff.

HBOS confirmed last night that it had entered exclusive talks with Scottish & Newcastle to snap up the site of the former Fountain Brewery, which closed in June 2005. The bank hopes to have the development up and running within five years.

But the move, which would transform the brewery sites on the banks of the Union Canal, has gazumped two development companies that have spent years negotiating with the brewer over the prime sites.

The intervention of HBOS, which is understood to have offered more than £100 million to buy the 12 acres of land from S&N, will also put pressure on the City of Edinburgh Council to redraw an approved blueprint for the area, which designates the brewery land for mixed-use developments, including new homes, shops, offices and possibly a new high school.

HBOS sources said the proposed scheme would be the equivalent of Royal Bank of Scotland's global headquarters at Gogarburn, which required the council to grant special dispensation to the company to allow the £350 million development to go ahead.

Health chiefs had been in lengthy talks with Queen Margaret University College over the sell-off of that 90-acre site, but were left furious when it emerged that an exclusivity agreement had been struck with RBS.

HBOS, which already has a number of flagship buildings in the Fountainbridge area of the capital as well as other large buildings in areas such as Tollcross, Sighthill, Haymarket, Orchard Brae and at the Gyle, wants to create a single "hub" for its full range of businesses.

All that would remain elsewhere in the city would be its 19th century headquarters on The Mound, which has recently undergone a multi-million pound refurbishment.

The Fountain Brewery closed down almost three years ago with the loss of 170 jobs, spelling the demise of 150 years of brewing history on the site.

A spokesman for HBOS said: "I can confirm we have entered into an exclusivity agreement with Scottish & Newcastle to potentially acquire land at Fountainbridge South.

"We have identified a possible opportunity to potentially consolidate all of our Edinburgh-based businesses in one hub at Fountainbridge. HBOS employs approximately 6,000 people across 16 buildings in Edinburgh our operations in the city cover the full range of business activities – including group, corporate banking, retail banking, international, and insurance and investment.

"There are clear benefits in bringing together all Edinburgh-based colleagues on to the one city-centre site.

"In addition to improved efficiency and effectiveness, they would benefit from being based at a central location."

Planning and legal hurdles to overcome
CLINCHING a deal with Scottish & Newcastle to buy the Fountain Brewery site would only be the first of several hoops that HBOS would have to jump through.

An exclusivity agreement means no discussions will be held with other parties for a set period. Any deal is likely to be subject to planning permission being secured from the City of Edinburgh Council.

Although property insiders believe the HBOS development could be worth as much as £300 million and would create a major extension of the city's financial district, it is by no means guaranteed to get the go-ahead from the local authority.

Royal Bank of Scotland targeted Gogarburn for its global headquarters after abandoning plans to knock down the former home of the Scottish Office, beside the St James Centre.

A planning brief for the former Gogarburn Hospital site said it should not be used for business purposes and the RBS complex involved developing on large swathes of green belt.

But council officials decided the scheme was justified as it would consolidate Edinburgh's position as a leading financial centre.

However, S&N's agreement with HBOS might trigger legal action. Two development firms S&N has been negotiating with are already building on other former brewery sites in the area and deals had been agreed in principle, but not finalised.

The AMA-Grosvenor consortium is building more than 650 homes and shops and offices at the former S&N keeping and distribution plant, which closed in 2001, in North Fountainbridge.

Buredi, a joint venture between housebuilder the Burrell Company and EDI, the city council's own development company, is creating 170 homes on the site of the Tartan Club, the old brewery social club.

An AMA-Grosvenor spokesman said: "We are in continuing discussions with Scottish & Newcastle".

Speaking on behalf of Buredi, John Mark di Ciacca, EDI's director of development, said: "We have an agreed purchase agreement for a site and were assured it was to be approved imminently by the S&N board."

The full article contains 838 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 04/03/2008 00:15:18
Just shows that money can buy the planning dept, the council, and anyone else in this colonial occupied country.

12 acres in town! Huge site!
2

I eat cookies wrapped in scotch tape,

04/03/2008 00:43:12
Anything that gives Fred Then Ned a black eye is good in my book!
3

I eat cookies wrapped in scotch tape,

04/03/2008 00:44:17
Fred The Ned
4

Traquir,

Alba 04/03/2008 01:43:53
How can that been, we were told that having an
SNP Government would cause businesses to flee :)

Seeing more major HQs grow and prosper in
Scotland is a fantastic sign, especially
in the area of finance.
5

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04/03/2008 02:12:13
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6

Traquir,

Alba 04/03/2008 03:10:12
Thanks for your insightful view "Paul in Oz",
likely you were one of these Unionistas that
was scare-mongering about businesses fleeing
and the world coming to an end should the
SNP come to power.

Hope you are enjoying your new Government
and I assume your are delighted with a major
company such as HBOS coming to Scotland or
don't you bother commenting on the article,
but instead just gripe. I'm just delighted
to see Scotland start to reverse the trend
of HQ's fleeing enmasse to London as happened
in the 80's and 90's, but perhaps you were
not bothered about that.
7

Utminafrica,

Hong Kong 04/03/2008 04:05:27
This has nothing to do with companies re-locating to Edinburgh. These are not new jobs but the same ones that happen to be in 16 different sites across Edinburgh. All the details are in the article.

8

donald,

glasgow 04/03/2008 06:26:30
Surprised they have not built a chipboard HQ in Halifax.
9

Aýrshire Scot™,

04/03/2008 06:28:31
This is great news for Edinburgh/Scotland.

Regardless of party politics.
10

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 04/03/2008 06:35:43
If you need a good planner or two to assess these applications for Council, Woolongong City Council, NSW has some they can spare.
11

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04/03/2008 06:45:46
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12

Koshka,

Scotland 04/03/2008 07:10:53
It is disappointing that HBOS can spend millions on a new building when they could spend less to get their customer care right.Since Halifax took over and the call centres opened I'm aware of people having regular problems.

To give an example Mandates on Treasurer's accounts - signatories change on organisation accounts on a regular basis. I've been involved in 2 changes in recent years. On one several mandates have been filled in - HBOS have lost them - statements are being sent to someone who has not been treasurer for a number of years and has now moved house. Complaints to the Branch and the Business Banking Centre have got nowhere. Thus account now being moved to another bank. On the other the Treasurer moved house 2 years ago and we were told it needed new mandate. 2 years later and repeated forms later the statements still go to her old address (not sent on) and the organisation does not get statements - not helpful for keeping accounts.Agains complaints to the Business banking Centre and the branch have got nowhere. mandates are handled at a central point. So guess what - moving to another Bank.

I'm aware of other organisations having the same problem with HBOS. So please HBOS management spend some of your money on improving your service to the public - it means more to us than a fancy new building to rival that of RBS.
13

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 04/03/2008 07:17:48
Hmmm, Britains largest bank moving it's HQ to Edinburgh, coupled with the worlds 4th Largest bank, the RBS, with it's HQ in Edinburgh. This cannot be a bad thing in the slightest and re-afirms the positive stereotype that the Scots are good with money.
14

DonaldK,

Brussels 04/03/2008 07:35:35
This is a property news story, not an employment or 'new HQ' story. HBOS is already headquartered on the mound and this is going to be a consolidation of smaller offices around Edinburgh into one central site.

RBS can properly be called a global company, HBOS cannot - it's business is all UK based, therefore it does not and cannot have a 'global' headquarters. This is the usual sloppy use of language from the Hootsmon that would be better placed in their evening rag.
15

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 04/03/2008 07:59:53
I wonder how many councillors and planning officials have been bought with HBOS money?
16

McStumpy,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 08:04:06
#14 - sorry, I'll forgive your blissful ignorance, but that statement is entirely incorrect. HBOS has offices, and business, throughout the world. Not on the scale of RBS, but you cannot say "HBOS business is ALL UK", as you are very much mistaken. And I speak as somebody who has been involved in setting up such overseas business for HBOS, so please don't try and tell me I'm wrong.
17

Skatedad,

Home 04/03/2008 08:06:43
I would love to see the size of the "brown envelope" !!!!
18

Brik,

Amaryllis 04/03/2008 08:16:46
@Dave From Barra: the UK's largest bank is HSBC; HBOS is way smaller.
It's still good news mind you that they want to build a big HQ in Edinburgh; from what I've been hearing since the HBOS merger it's a surprise that the HQ isn't going to Yorkshire, since that seems to be where the numbskulls who ruin the bank are based.
19

big davey,

the mound 04/03/2008 08:22:56
anyone who knows the workings of the business will know that HBOS is very much a Halifax orientated organisation. The ceremonial headquarters on the Mound may look pretty but the real power is in Yorkshire. To get the global HQ up here is very much somethign to be pleased about brown envelope or otherwise...
20

TheFife,

Beverly Hills 04/03/2008 08:26:03
But wait!!!

You're forgetting all the important stuff.

What about the production of good Scottish brew after the Dutch buy up Scottish-Newcastle?

Where's your perspective, man? Is the bank going to brew a good pint?



21

Edward,

04/03/2008 08:37:41
#14
Perhaps you should check yr facts before spouting rubbish!
http://www.hbosplc.com/abouthbos/Group_company_websites.asp
22

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 08:38:17
Am I missing something here?

HBOS isn't an English company, as far as I was aware the Bank of Scotland bought out the Halifax and merged the two. HBOS HQ is still here as this is a Scottish company.



23

Edward,

04/03/2008 08:38:44
#20
Agree, whats happened to the brewing in Scotland?
24

James, Edinburgh,

04/03/2008 08:39:47
I wonder if HBOS will pay for the refurbishment of the existing Boroughmuir High School, which was to be relocated on to the site in terms of the Planning Brief?
25

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 04/03/2008 08:40:18
Brik,Amaryllis

Ooops, sorry about that. Thanks for the correction.
26

BMeister,

04/03/2008 08:49:16
#20, #23
Belhaven in Dunbar is still going well
27

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 04/03/2008 08:54:15
#7 This has nothing to do with companies re-locating to Edinburgh. These are not new jobs but the same ones that happen to be in 16 different sites across Edinburgh. All the details are in the article.


But isn't supposition, spin, smoke and mirrors much more amusing to behold due to the resulting rammy? ;-)
28

TheFife,

Beverly Hills 04/03/2008 09:16:22
I can see how it all works now.

Smoke and mirrors. The mirrors behind the bar and the smoke in the air, right?

In the past we would sit in a public house sipping on a good Scots brew and squinting through the thick tobacky smoke to see the lassies. Well, long story short, in those days we found a good lassie, etc., etc…

Now we are asked to sip insipid burn water (called beer) and squint through no smoke at all and try to judge the lassies.

I tell ya, it’s not fair for the lassies any more!!!



29

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/03/2008 09:17:21
14 /21 Indeed.

HBOS does mortgage business in NL , so I would imagine they are active in BE also.

THats at a retail level. Just about every bank in the world has an international presence, even if its some dodgy office in Bermuda. BUt thats another story.

24.

Strictly speaking Halifax were the major winners in the "merger".

Theres no such thing as a merger in reality - one side of it normally ends up running key functions such as HR , IT and Investments.

In this case , the corporate HQ is in Halifax. Means nothing though as most jobs are indeed in Edinburgh.

This is good news for Fountainbridge. 6,000 workers brings money into the local economy.

Frankly , I cant see the idea of a school and family houses in this god forsaken no mans land ever taking off.
30

Doh,

04/03/2008 09:18:46


Quite ambitious but they shouldnt be so squeemish.

They should also knock down their old headquarters on the Mound and replace it with something classy like the proposed Mountgrange development.

31

Aye Right...,

04/03/2008 09:23:25
Some good comments about Halifax and Bank of Scotland and who runs what... After the merger Bank of Scotland runs the main profit making part of HBoS, namely Corporate and Hailfax runs Retail. (There are other divisions) It's the Retail side which the public see as it relates to branch banking. It's based on the old Halifax Building Society Retail model and is rightly seen to be a complete mess..

Anyway, this looks like a cracking move if it comes off.
32

Dancer,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 09:23:48
Used to be a great area to live in. Maybe not the best or poshist but fun. Now when I walk around all I see is uniform glass and metal atrocities that block out the light. Come on CEC lets have more houses and a real thriving Canal. I bet they try and block access to the Canal from Fountainbridge.
33

SC,

Dundee 04/03/2008 09:31:20
Regardless of HBOS's current centre of operations, this is a real boost for Scotland. The company can only be confident in its future location in the city to spend all this money (and defend all the sniping from the anti-development brigade).

After all, one Irishman recently asked me if RBS had relocated to London yet, as if business can only exist in two cities in the British Isles - London and, errr, Dublin.
34

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/03/2008 09:32:12
31. understood.

It confuses me it does.

Never worked for them though have been in their sighthill "bunker".
35

Go Gorgie Dalry,

04/03/2008 09:49:55
#31 Spot on.

HBOS is not only a UK based company. It also has operations in Europe, Australia and North America.

36

Go Gorgie Dalry,

04/03/2008 09:51:00
34 - I work in said "Bunker". Was refurbished about 2 years ago and is now a lot smarter than it was.

Still a horrible looking building though.
37

Deighan,

04/03/2008 09:51:41
Double dealing is what anyone can expect from S&N under the current rogue directors so why would 2 property developers think they are unique.
Just ask the folks in Blackburn, Nottingham, Newcastle, Edinburgh, etc. etc.
Oh and and predictably Heineken and Carlsberg too because there will be double dealing there too.
38

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/03/2008 09:53:34
36 I cant say too many bad words about a company that is smart enough not to employ me......
39

Sgurr,

04/03/2008 10:04:49
I think it would be best if they just made it into an even bigger, more efficient brewery. The council would, of course, have to provide subsidised booze for low income families/key workers, and a new high school that will teach kids how to get mashed for less the £5.

40

morris,

edinburgh 04/03/2008 10:19:34
5 Paul in Oz,Helensburgh

There was a time when everybody in Scotland thought like you also. Progress is a marvellous thing ,but I guess you will just have to take my word for it. I suspect it has something to do with the SNP having the truth at their disposal,where as New Labour only have the claptrap emailed from London,(like Scotland would be like Alabania etc), and other pieces of numpty nonsense designed for consumption by anybody daft eneough to believe it. Some are even daft enough to repeat it!
41

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 04/03/2008 10:26:10
Perhaps they could have a special air conditioning system which would blow the smell of the brewery around the area so that people dont realise its gone.
42

morris,

edinburgh 04/03/2008 10:33:51
12 Koshka,Scotland

I have had a similar experience since Halifax started running the show. Their office in Northern Ireland is liuke Fort Knox and heaven help you if you hesitate reading something or do not rememeber the exact balance on your accounts etc. YOu must be word perfect or they will cut you off,and on one occassion froze my account ! They also had money of mine invested for which I had NO DOCUMENTATION because the Halifax had been using the wrong address with the result that I had literally to threaten legal action .Thankfully I was dealing with a former Bank of Scotland employee who are streets ahead of the Halifax lot.
Since clearing up that mess,I have had a letter sent me advising that they do not have an address for me! They posted it ,to the correct address! SEWRIOUSLY.
It was in fact a request to confirm the current address but THATS NOT WHAT IT SAID!The local Bank of Scotland staff were apologetic whilst trying to contain themselves at the stupidty of this letter.
Halifax Building Society staff leave a lot to be desired in my experience.
I also have considered moving and may yet do so.


I am interested in why Edinburgh,when it was clear that this was not a merger so much as a take over by HALIFAX building society,and NOT a smart move in my opinion.I feel for the staff in HBOS branches who get it every time,when its not their doing, in fact they are the only reason I have yet to jump ship!
Bank of Scotland have gone downhill and faster than any has gone before!
43

D PATERSON AKA ERIC LOTHIANS,

04/03/2008 10:43:13
och this is no, Fair, why give,Edinburgh all the, Jobs, don't they,Know we have an, Underground in glasgow,And it should be built there
44

Highland Mighty,

04/03/2008 10:50:48
Why all the excitement and immature Scotland/England oneupmanship?

HBOS are merely suggesting moving all their Edinburgh staff into one site. As said several times already, it says so in the article:

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"We have identified a possible opportunity to potentially consolidate all of our Edinburgh-based businesses in one hub at Fountainbridge. HBOS employs approximately 6,000 people across 16 buildings in Edinburgh our operations in the city cover the full range of business activities – including group, corporate banking, retail banking, international, and insurance and investment.

"There are clear benefits in bringing together all Edinburgh-based colleagues on to the one city-centre site.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Calm down, children!
45

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 04/03/2008 10:53:42
Good comment morris, 10:19:34.

Perhaps Paul in Oz (#5) can use his time down under to talk to Australians about Independence and broaden his mind.

His claim that the board has somehow been taken over by nats is way off and NOT what has happened. This is, after all, an open public board. What HAS happened is that the entire political complexion of the Country has changed. The people are now paying attention to, listening to and interpreting the garbage being produced by the unionists and properly identifying it as such.

Claims of an Albaniaesque future under the SNP were always just plain daft and I often wondered just how many people left in the country actually believed that sort of tosh. I think, given the SNP victory last May, the answer to that is precious few and declining. The anouncement of this £350 Million investment by HBOS to the Edinburgh financial sector is further proof to the Nay Sayers that Scotland under the SNP is open for business.
46

Highland Mighty,

04/03/2008 11:04:45
45. Go forth, tedious and banal nat.

Believe it or not, this has nothing to do with your precious SNP.
47

morris,

edinburgh 04/03/2008 11:14:53
46

He did not say it had !
He merely pointed out what a load of absolute nonsense was spurted by New Labour about any SNP administration being a reason for Scottish investment to not only dwindle but withdraw.The evidence is as usual to the opposite of the rubbish spouted by New Labour.
Maybe you should confine comment to what he did say!Then you may be treated with some recognition.
48

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/03/2008 11:17:34
considering that there have been absolutely no changes to anything remotely approaching business in scotland and that the SNP does not have any powers to change corporation Tax (for example) - why wouold there be a major change ?

FFS etc.
49

morris,

edinburgh 04/03/2008 11:27:01
48

Quite.

It does appear that what is proposed is housing all HBOS staff currently in and around Edinburgh under one single roof, (with the branches being the obvious exception of course).No jobs will be transferred from further afield, so there is no relocation of jobs into Edinburgh,just rellocation of those already here.It does neverthleless make a mockery of New Labour claims that Scotland would lose businesses. Clearly HBOS and Royal Bank of Scotland (one of the worlds largest) do not agree. I would have thought that if Scotlands economic base was under threat,our two major banks would know about it!Clearly they have confidence both in being and remaining here.Thats good enough for me.
50

Rosie,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 11:41:50
Fountainbridge needs housing NOT more office blocks!
51

druidh,

edinburgh 04/03/2008 11:44:14
Interesting that HBOS have chosen a different tack from RBS in that they're committing to the city centre (near enough) rather than a new out-of-town location. Assuming transport all works out (maybe some bus services will need re-directed), this should help contain any increase in car usage. HBOS seem to take their green credentials pretty seriously - this affirms that.
52

Highland Mighty,

04/03/2008 11:44:29
48. Precisely.

And, again, it is not new investment nor new employment. It is merely one company moving all its staff from 16 small offices into one large office. That's it. Nothing at all to do with politics, you hear!

And bearing in mind that the UK is the second most popular places for multinationals to invest in the world and has been for many years, it's a case of 'If it ain't broke...' etc.

Look, I'm even providing proof!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_received_FDI
53

DonaldK,

Brussels 04/03/2008 11:51:50
#16, #21, #29 - seems I touched a raw nerve by saying HBOS isn't global. My apologies, it has 1 (yes, 1) registered office outside the UK and Ireland - in Western Australia. Definitely a major global player then...

Source: their own website, really hard to find :)
54

`Side show bob,

04/03/2008 12:05:15
RBS still has its Head office at St Andrews square and its global HQ on the out skirts of the city.
HBOS would be doing something similar and i think it makes sense to condense the operation into one large state of the Art complex and do a way with some of the scattered office blocks around the city but at least this company is still committed to having its HQ in Scotland.
55

Highland Mighty,

04/03/2008 12:06:20
51. I would prefer a new neighbourhood there rather than yet another oversized office development but there you go.

Anyway, back to the wiki table in my badly written post at 52; maybe the nats would like to take some time to compare the investment levels in the UK with that of the USA (5 times our population - In 2004, we even topped the USA), with our main Euro competitors of Germany/France/Italy and even with booming China (16 times our population).

Remember that just 25 years ago, we were the 'sick man of Europe' and now look at us - No. 1 in Europe (by a long shot!) and No. 2 in the world (ditto).

Do the nats really think the SNP have the skills to top this remarkable achievement? Or even equal it?
56

Luke Skywalker,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 12:20:02
Brilliant news. It will improve the area no end and also reinforce Edinburgh as a world banking centre. 50 Rosie - it releases 16 sites for housing which will allow a greater mix of housing to be built throughout the city which again is better that hundreds of flats squeezed into Fountainbridge.
57

`Side show bob,

04/03/2008 12:20:27
Quoting from wiko, what a laugh, yeh i will go onto wiko and change the info to suit my argument, yeh we can all see the desperate plot..=fool=H.M
58

Nellie,

Liverpool 04/03/2008 12:24:50
This news is good for the reputation of Edinburgh's banking services - which is no bad thing - but it is doubtful it will offer any significant increase in jobs, save for the short-term requirement for tradesmen to create the offices. And then, I expect very few will be from Scotland but cheap self employed contract labour brought in for the work, esp. the "new Irish" workers from Poland. Otherwise, this may elicit some migration of a few executives from Halifax or recruitment where key personnel don't want to leave Yorkshire. (Nuts if they don't move - Edinburgh versus Halifax? No contest!!) In this case, the primary benefit will be a slight increase in property prices.
59

Highland Mighty,

04/03/2008 12:35:10
57. I'm so sorry.

Here's another source for you:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2198rank.html

LOL.
60

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/03/2008 12:46:33
58. Are you sure you are in Liverpool ? That sounds more like the Edinburgh I know and love EG, no matter what happens its gloom and doom for the forseeable future.

Wonderful Attitude.

Makes me wonder why I ever left.
61

`Side show bob,

04/03/2008 12:56:31
#59

lol, oh the cia fact book, don't make me laugh, that lot have underestimated the Chinese GDP by up to 60%, as per usual you quote from utter nonsense. You sound a tad like AM2?=fool.

Try looking at the Almanack rather than a guff bit of garbage, silly thing that you are.
62

Jmhzx,

brighton 04/03/2008 13:00:32
stop girning!!!

welcome back (H)BOS. We thought we'd lost you for good in the merger.

good for Edinburgh, good for Scotland and good for HBOS
63

Go Gorgie Dalry,

04/03/2008 13:20:06
#42 Why Edinburgh????

Erm, because the staff already work in Edinburgh.

HBOS will rake in millions when they lease/sell the 16 locations where the staff are currently based.

64

Miss Jean Brodie,

04/03/2008 13:39:24
Says it all - one bank buys a brewery the other a mental asylum.
65

A.K.,

edinburgh 04/03/2008 13:43:28
I've lived in Fountainbridge for 20 yrs and looked forward to the development on the canal for 10.
Now you tell me it's going to be yet another office labyrinth.
There are plenty of affordable houses going up across the road in place of the other brewery but I really thought we were going to get a mini "Shore" with lots of nice houses and bars/restaurants etc.
Nothing wrong with a bit of pleasure and daydreaming on the walk home along the canal.
It already has the beginings of a bustling area...and I don't need a taxi home.
Whats the point of having the offices on the canal...it will just be somewhere for the office punters to throw their fancy sannies and then the swans and ducks will grow obese on their diet of upmarket junkfood and then they will "ground-bound"
Am I going to far off the mark here?
66

Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 13:46:39
Just for information, Halifax no longer exists as a bank...following a recent Act of Parliament, BoS became a plc and 'took over' the Halifax Bank...the Halifax Bank now only exists as a trading name of the Bank of Scotland...this was to secure BoS's right to print bank notes...
67

Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 04/03/2008 13:48:05
# 54: Side Show Bob

"RBS still has its Head office at St Andrews square"

I thought that building was bought by Vladamir Romaniv for Ukio Bankas?!
68

2Bored,

Haymarket 04/03/2008 13:51:37
Looks like some posters here understand **** all about business.

When I worked at HBoS, having so many non-branch staff in so many locations in the same city was a pain in the neck, expensive in terms of time and money. Simple solution - get a big location near good public transport.

It's commercial, and nothing to do with tartan trolling tories or socialist nationalists.
69

Bozac,

embra 04/03/2008 14:07:30
67

RBS still has its chief office and is registered at St Andrews square and the building that the Hearts owner bought was part of RBS Head office.
The building that sits behind the massive rot iron black fence with the large dome is the chief office of RBS and sits just about 50 yards back from Harvey Nicks department store.
70

GP,

04/03/2008 14:14:23
65# there will be offices yes! but this will also develop local shops. Folk have got to eat.
The planners should keep their noses out with tthe exception of the cleanup and developpemnt of the canal and canal frontage.
Great news for the city in general.
Pity RBS didn't have the mallum to centralise in the city as well.
The city centre needs jobs to ensure it thrives once again.
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The Fly Fifer,

=Fife 04/03/2008 15:04:11
Job creation I don’t think so 15 sites in Edinburgh now will be without tenants, 15 sites will not require cleaning services, fifteen local shop and retuarants will loose out on passing business, no need for 16 clerk of works when 2 will do, there will be much job consolidation, and dead wood being dumped.

The winner, ………….. the bank ………?
72

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 04/03/2008 15:05:56
Wrought Iron ............... Bozac :-)
73

HEN BROON 5,

04/03/2008 15:08:00
5 Paul in Oz,Helensburgh 04/03/2008 02:12:13
"There was once a time when these boards were not populated by the SNP's tw@t activists, alas these days are gone and the general population has to sit through a daily diatribe of why when the sun is shining it is because Alex Salmond has bent over to kiss his own feet and given us a dose of his own special ray of sunshine!"

Perhaps it is your anal fixation that cause you to spout shyte?

It must be really sickening for you unionistas now watching the death throes of the union and smelling the maggot infested corpse of Nieu Liebour being dragged through the gutter, even poor old AM2 has lost his bottle, having previously lost the plot, and cannot bring himself to post under his ridiculed moniker. But we can still smell him.

GOD BLESS PRIME MINISTER SALMOND.

ALBA GU BRATH.
74

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 04/03/2008 15:29:51
HEn, its a pity you do not stay in Scotland, otherwise you would see the degenarate mess the place is becoming. I will know Scotland is a true country when I can stand in any area of Ibrox (Parkhead) at a Rangers Celtic game wearing a Celtic (Rangers) scarf and not be spat on, kicked, punched or killed.

When my children are never offered drugs, when schools teach manners, right from wrong and ethics, when Scottish history is separated totally from Scottish myth, when Peados and rapists are executed, when prison time means hard labour, corrective education and recidivism is so not worth while.

Scotland does not have the ability to stand alone, the Irish got buckets of EU money That WILL NOT COME TO Scotland. who on earth will set up production in Scotland when its miles from the markets.

There is just so much wrong with Scotland just now, I want to see a change but things only get worse.

Blaming politicians is a non starter, we put then in power,

It is up to familie values to turn the country round. We are a Christian country (the National Flag reminds us of that) the more married hetrosexual christian tax paying law abiding family units we can have the better it will be.

all th eguff above about the HQ of a multi national company means nothing. Very little of the profits stay in Scotland all we get are pen pushing jobs ................ if you don't believe me FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!
75

Highland Mighty,

04/03/2008 17:15:13
73. There's my cue!

YouGov poll:
SNP support down 2% on a month previous.

Support for independence 27% (DOWN 2% on a year ago)
Support for status quo 57% (UP 5%, yes 5%, on a year ago)

Only 0.5% of Scotland has bothered to read the SNP's much publicised White Paper on Independence.

Only 600-ish posts in eight months on the SNP's much publicised 'National Conversation', many by repeat posters of both sides of the argument.

Just where is your evidence of these "death throes of the union"? Do you have any at all? Where are the massed protests demanding independence? Anywhere in sight?

Why don't the SNP arrange a march to Holyrood or Westminster?

Also:

"The SNP’s success in last year’s election was mainly due to the unpopularity of the Labour Party in Scotland rather than the popularity of the SNP."
Agree 70%
Disagree 16%
Evidence of growing support for the SNP? No!
Protest vote? Yes!

"After independence, Scottish people should continue to pay for, and receive, BBC radio and television programmes."
Agree 55%
Disagree 18%
Resentment of the BBC in any way? Hardly.

Regarding SNP's anti-Trident policy:
In favour of Trident 44%
Against 40%

"Scotland should continue to pay for Trident."
Agree 55%
Disagree 31%
Not exactly damning support for Salmond's repeated bleating about "WMD's in Scotland!"

"If Scotland does become independent which of the following options would you prefer?"
Scotland should continue to use the pound sterling as its currency - 52%
Scotland should adopt the euro as its currency - 32%
Scotland should have its own Scottish currency - 8%
No evidence of anti-UK fervour here either.

Mmm.

Just where in THIS reality and dimension is there ANY evidence of ANY backlash against the UK?
76

Aýrshire Scot™,

04/03/2008 17:53:04
Highland Mighty . . . . some very interesting stats in there.
Certainly flies in the face of that idiotic postings of hen broon.
These fools come on here and talk as if a big majority want independence when in actual fact its a small minority.
77

HEN BROON 5,

04/03/2008 19:19:12
75 Highland Mighty,04/03/2008 17:15:13



Aye the fetid stench of the rotten corpse of the AM2 troll, as cowardly as ever and just as ridiculous, the dumbest fuk to ever haunt this place.

And then the fakie comes in, you lost all the arguments, you have so humiliated and ridiculed your selves that you cannot use your monikers and have to clone the monikers of people who showed you all up for the morons you are.

This forum like this rag has been trashed by petulant paranoid idiots who have no life other than blogging there jaundiced negative lies, which even you bunch of unionist fud plugs cannot believe. But hey it keeps you all of the streets.

Go for it loonies, lets go fishing.

ALBA GU BRATH.
78

Highland Mighty,

04/03/2008 20:05:35
76. You mean this ranting HEN BROON 5?

They say that when you start insulting or losing your temper, you have lost the argument.....

Sigh. Right down there with Ard Righ and Priestley (or whatever that lad in Switzerland is calling himself nowadays). Such a shame.
79

Aýrshire Scot™,

04/03/2008 23:37:56
Yes Highland Mighty I mean HEN BROON 5.

He actually sounds like he is disturbed.
80

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 05/03/2008 00:07:11
The money injection will be in the actual design and building of this new building,fitting it out and furnishing it. Not to mention the planners and building surveyors in building control. Are Edinburgh firms ready for this or will they have to go elsewhere for the expertise? I hope it will be an all Scottish affair.
81

Tearlich,

Lanark, Ontario 05/03/2008 01:08:48


I visited Scotland last year for the first time.

Very disappointed.

Glasgow? Drunks, Neds and beggars at every street corner. Very dreary and run-down.

Edinburgh? Great selection of postcard and made-to-measure kilt shops. Toooo much dog sh**e on the streets. Not far from becoming well-worn - you know, rode hard, put away wet.

Highlands were fine but so-called mountains mere goosebumps.

The food? Oohhh myyy gawwwd! Is it Europe's idea of food recycling?

People very friendly as long as you didn't mention religion or football. Very tribal. Very chippy. If Scotland was a person, Freud would freak and need a huge couch - for himself!

Hope you sort it out before the oil runs out. Otherwise it is back to kilts,shortbread tins and sectarianism.

So good to hear that you can bank on certain things.

82

Navvy,

05/03/2008 01:09:01
This can only be good news. Perhaps retail can reaquire some smeddum.
The current house builders at Fountainbridge will make a killing and should upgrade their plans to cater for HBOS people who will love the idea of walking to work and popping home for lunch.

Perhaps BoS will regain its websites. I currently have to use 2 because the UK site is not allowed to show offshore accounts. Perhaps also they will reinstate the facility of "prepaying" bills - ie pay Credit Card bill when it arrives but money only debited on the due date. HOBS - not HBOS had this facility 20 years ago but not today. They may even get my name correct
83

Navvy,

05/03/2008 01:10:12
Oh yes, and like RBOS it is just far enogh from the horrid tram to deter all but those who value the exercise of a short walk

 

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