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Published Date: 26 December 2008
MORE than 82,000 people in Scotland are stuck on waiting lists to get access to an NHS dentist, figures obtained by The Scotsman have revealed.

Rural areas are hardest hit by the shortage of NHS practices, despite efforts to encourage more dentists to work in these parts of the country.

Our investigation shows the health board areas with the longest lists include NHS Highland, with 31,5
04 people waiting for a place, and NHS Grampian, with 30,936.

Even smaller boards, such as in Shetland and Orkney, reported that thousands of patients were waiting to join an NHS practice.

The Scottish Government said it was tackling the waiting lists, but dentists' leaders and opposition politicians insisted more immediate action was needed.

Dr Nigel Carter, of the British Dental Health Foundation, said: "We recognise that access to dentistry continues to be an issue, and increasingly so in Scotland.

"We would call on the Scottish Government to increase funding for dentistry to help increase the number of NHS dentists."

Jamie Stone, the public health spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, said it was "outrageous" that such a large number of people were waiting for an NHS dentist in Scotland.

"The Scottish Government is clearly not doing enough to boost dentist numbers," he said.

"Regular visits to the dentist are vital, not only to oral health, but also overall health and wellbeing. Scottish ministers have to tackle this urgent problem."

Andrew Lamb, the British Dental Association's director for Scotland, said: "It is important that the Scottish Government continues to address the shortage of dentists in Scotland to help patients access care.''

The figures obtained by The Scotsman revealed that, in most areas, the list has actually grown in the past year – despite an increasing proportion of adults becoming registered with an NHS dentist in Scotland overall.

Several health boards also reported that they did not hold a central waiting list for NHS dentistry – raising the prospect that thousands more patients could be looking for an NHS dentist.

In recent years, many dentists have turned their backs on the NHS in favour of private practice, blaming

a growing burden caused by having to comply with health-and-safety legislation and other regulations. They say this means they are forced to take on more private patients to help meet their costs.

Initiatives, such as offering dental students "golden handcuff" bursaries worth thousands of pounds in return for commitment to the NHS once they graduate, have been introduced in attempts to boost the number of NHS places.

And the proportion of adults and children registered with the NHS is now increasing. As of June this year, 55.4 per cent of adults were with an NHS practice – up from 46.5 per cent a year previously. The percentage for children increased from 67.5 to 75.6 over the same period.

But in Scotland's most rural areas, registration remains much lower. In Highland, only 35.4 per cent of adults are with an NHS dentist, while in Grampian it drops to 32.1 per cent.

It means thousands of patients are left languishing on NHS waiting lists – with some having been told it could be five years before they get a place.

But the Grampian board said that, in the first ten months of 2008, more than 5,650 adults had been given NHS places and all under-16s had been placed with the NHS salaried service – dentists employed to work full-time for the NHS.

It said almost 6,000 of those on its waiting list had private dental provision but wanted to move to an NHS practice, while 3,440 were with an NHS dentist but wanted to move to another.

NHS Borders had 6,000 on the waiting list, compared with 2,500 last year. NHS Dumfries and Galloway also reported a big leap, from 836 to 8,244.

NHS Orkney had a waiting list of 1,500, NHS Shetland 2,182 and Western Isles 1,800.

All of Scotland's other health boards reported either having no waiting list at all, or said they did not collect these figures.

The total number on a waiting list for an NHS dentist in Scotland was 82,166.

Margaret Watt, of the Scotland Patients Association, said: "I think it is shocking. One of the most important things in life is having good oral hygiene. It is not right that anyone should be left waiting for a dentist. It is crucial to get more NHS dentists."

Dr Richard Simpson, Labour's public health spokesman, said that, when in power, his party had helped to create the new dental school in Aberdeen and increased funding for dentistry.

"A growing number of people without a dentist is going to create significant problems in due course," he said.

Shona Robison, the public-health minister, said: "Since May 2007, the Scottish Government has made steady progress to reverse the years of decline in NHS dentistry, which in time will see the unacceptable waiting lists that have built up in some parts of Scotland come down.

"In August, we announced capital funding of £75 million over the next two years for NHS boards to prioritise new and upgraded dental facilities, and we will shortly see the projects to be brought forward."

Toothache? We can see you in 2013

CAROLINE Dollemore-Hunt knows only too well the distress of being left on the waiting list for an NHS dentist.

She moved to Lybster, Caithness, with her husband, John, at the start of 2008 to run a croft. But when they tried to register with a local NHS dentist, they were shocked to find out they could face a wait of five years.

She later found out after contacting her local MSP that she was 6,836th on the waiting list for an NHS dental place.

Mrs Dollemore-Hunt, 47, had a nagging toothache that got worse as the year went on.

"Eventually, I got an emergency appointment with the NHS. It was a practice in Wick and the place was absolutely wonderful. I was treated by a lovely Polish lady.

"She found four teeth that had problems, but, as an emergency appointment, she could only treat one of them and was deciding which was the most painful so she could treat that one."

Eventually, Mrs Dollemore-Hunt's mother sent her money to have all the treatment she needed done privately. "You shouldn't have to borrow money off your relatives when you get to my age," she said.

How does your health board fare in figures?

The Scotsman asked every NHS board in Scotland to provide figures on the number of residents currently on waiting lists for NHS dental places this year and last year. These are the results:

NHS Ayrshire and Arran: No waiting list kept.

The board said it currently had 28 practices taking on new NHS patients.

NHS Borders: 6,000 on the waiting list as of 18 November, compared to 2,500 in November 2007.

NHS Dumfries and Galloway: 8,244 on waiting list as of 17 November – compared to 836 in 2007.

"Following expansion of General Dental Services within the Board's area since 2006, in excess of 40,000 patients have been allocated to NHS dental practices across the board's area."

NHS Fife: "There are no waiting lists kept in relation to independent NHS practitioners."

NHS Forth Valley: "NHS Forth Valley does not hold a centralised waiting list, this is held with each individual dental practice."

NHS Grampian: 30,936 on waiting list as of 17 November – compared to 26,165 in December last year. The board said that in the first ten months of 2008, it allocated 5,650 adults to NHS dental places. All children under 16 have also been removed from the waiting list and offered places with salaried dentists.

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde: "We do not have a waiting list because no-one is waiting to register with a dentist within NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde"

NHS Highland: 31,504 on waiting list as of 14 November 2008 – up from 29,707 at the same time last year

"During the period 14 November 2007 and 14 November 2008 a total of 5,521 people were added to the list and 3,535 removed," the board said.

NHS Lanarkshire: No waiting list: "Patients in Lanarkshire are able to register with an NHS dentist and there are no waiting lists."

NHS Lothian: The board says it has never had a waiting list.

"The NHS Lothian Dental Enquiry Line is able to find a dentist for most, if not all, patients requiring an NHS dentist."

NHS Orkney: 1,500 on waiting list (as of 17 November)

"The figure was lower this time last year as we had only reopened the waiting list in September 2007, having been able to open the waiting list at all for three years," the board said.

"The figure was approximately 500 for November 2007.

"It is hoped that the current recruitment campaign will enable NHS Orkney to reduce this figure in 2009."

NHS Shetland: 2,182 on the waiting list as of 10 December, compared to 1,931 last year

NHS Tayside: "We do not hold centralised waiting list information for dental practices."

NHS Western Isles: Currently has 1,800 people on the waiting list, compared to 2,300 at the same time in 2007.

TOTAL: 82,166







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  • Last Updated: 25 December 2008 7:01 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: NHS Dentistry
 
1

Rasco,

26/12/2008 00:31:18
Jamie Stone hypocrite Lab/Lib did not do that much in the years they had power,I've phoned Highland NHS 24 Dental with toothache been seen the same day and had tooth removed so its not all bad as the Stone man makes out, he is the same man who blames the SNP for the state of the Wick School.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 00:33:12


"82,000 deprived of dental treatment"

Yes and I and my DYW are two of the 82,000!

For me, I have NOT been to a "Dentist", for some, well over 25years now!

Just as well I have 'strong teeth' and look after them, the best that I can!


IT IS OF UTTER DISGRACE, "DENTAL TREATMENT" WAS PRIVATISED"

Well the seeing of Exploitation!

And Don't Dentists Know 'IT'?, Charging £250.00 for a check-up and filling!

Goofy Britain,..Right Enough!, and a,..

.."SLAP IN THE FACE, WITH A BIG WET FISH", For US!!

It IS WORSE! Than the "Banks Scandal" and "Pension Scandal",,...

,,..'But Hey!, Wasn't it covered up well? until now!


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 00:40:26


MY above comment, is the one of 'Reality' for 'Joe public', as it were, (the average public).

The Scotsman News, Quote "82,000" If we put a number 9 before their figure this would be nearer the Truth,..

,.....982,000, And the Rest!


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East Lothian CLP,

26/12/2008 00:50:44
What I would like to know is what action is being taken against Dentists who operate the wee ruse off saying they have space on waiting list for NHS, then as soon as they are signed up, telling them they can extract the tooth thats causing them ache in 10 months, or pay £xxx pounds for removal next week. False pretences!

I went to dental hospital 10 months ago, one of my local dentists was their offering NHS places on the hospitals list. My girlfriend signed up a month later and she said she was offered apointment for work in 10 months or immediately if she paid hundreds for route canal,etc.

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qohldr,

26/12/2008 01:05:38
#2
I've phoned Highland NHS 24 Dental with toothache been seen the same day and had tooth removed.
Well of course that is the case you support the SNP so it would not be any different.
I mean SNP supporters go abroad (still never figured out how since they wont declare themselves as British but they still say they get a passport)and are asked what part of England they come from.
The rest of us Scots never seem to have that question asked only the nationalist ones.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 01:05:54


East Lothian CLP ~5,

Yes you are 'CORRECT'!


Average Cost to join a Dentists, and have your first treatment, would cost, 'More Than',..£500.00!

That's an 'OK' if your the lies of,...


......"Rockefeller"!!


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26/12/2008 01:11:39
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 01:15:24


WeeBerty ~8,

Good Points! I can see you said that with a,....

....'Full set of Teeth' in!


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Guga II,

Rockall 26/12/2008 01:25:54
The New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch) are hardly in a position to criticise the SNP. The problem with lack of NHS dentists came to the fore when Labour and their sleazy Whig pals were in power.

Anyway, it seems to me that if potential denstists are unwilling to commit to NHS work, then they should not expect the public to pay for their training. They should be forced to "go private".

NHS dentists are earning around £100,000 a year. If they are not content with that, then they are being plain greedy; the more so if they expect the taxpayer to pay for their training.

There are about three Polish dentists in the solitary practice in the Isle of Lewis. I'm all for having an open invite for as many more Poles as are willing to come to Scotland. I'm sure that they, and other Eastern European dentists are quite happy about the thought of earning £100,000 a year.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 01:44:11



Guga II ~10,

Merry Christams Guga, hope you had a good one!

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26/12/2008 01:55:25
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 26/12/2008 02:35:40
dentists are a law unto themselves,i had an appointmeant with an nhs dentist,on the day i was due to go,i had bad sickness and the rest(lol),now im due to pay £10 before i can be seen on the day
i phoned and explained,that if they wanted me throwing up all over their floor/dentist or where ever it landed ,then i would come in
but not having mystic megs powers i couldnt see ahead to forewarn them
blair letting them go private was more like maggie thatcher,how Keir Hardie must be turning in his grave,labour was formed to fight for the poor,to undo social injustice,etc but modern labour couldnt give two hoots to the poor
where do we find all the buckfast guzzlers? yes in labour wards,these councilors faces should be as red as that red rag they always sing about
and trying to pass the blame to the snp is just typical
of them
jack mcconnels lot had 8years to do something,they didnt and lost
when labourcame to power,why didnt they reverse the council house sales ,put in by grott bags thatcher
no because blair was a closet tory,and we all know mandelsons closet
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 03:30:02



brianmca3 ~13,


It is very good that we are seeing, the 'Real Life Stories' on this News Item!

Your Comment, is the Reality of the state of affairs, with our "Dentists"!,,,

********HEALTH*********

Whether it be our "Teeth", or the Many More Important Health Issues, that we all may become, at one day in our lives, of concern to us, should receive address!

Humans as any other specie's, need the support of others, in times of 'Need'!,....
That Being, A Basic fundamental, for Quality of Life, and Survival!

If we act like 'Rats' then only the Fittest, would survive!

"Fittest"! As Being Rich!

Do we Really want to go down that road?

If So!,..

Why Have an Ambulance Service, Police Service, or Fire Service?

Can I ask everybody one thing?

Would you let someone, Die in front of you, because they did not have a 'Credit Card'?

I Think Not!

Basic 'Health Services' Should be Free for all!

To Pay for this, is more than simple!

'STOP THE GREED'!

Tax, VAT, Fuel Tax, We All Pay!

Where does all this extorted money Go?

Divert even some of it, into 'Health Care' For All!

Then We Would have a Nation that,.. 'Cares For All'!

NO THE POINT! In the Being Rich! When you Are 6feet Under!

MORE THE POINT!

In the Helping of others, the Best you Can, Within Reason, With the Talent you have, Whether you are a Dentist, Nurse, Carer, Doctor, Surgeon, or even a Musician!

Yes 'Music' Can Be a 'Healer'!

Greed! However Never "Heals" Anyone, Only Destroys!


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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 04:13:42
Had a "bit of bother" with local police last night. First time "in a while".

Would "rather have been at the dentist"
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 04:31:23



I can see for miles ~16,

God! Your late on here!

I hope, as I do have concern for others, you are OK!

I Will catch you up later, Provided my teeth are still in my 'fingertips' to operate my, keyboard!









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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 04:45:50
Charles had to spend longer than I hoped "down the station"

No charges....just a "waste of my good time"


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 04:47:05


I hope my posts, Deserve the,...

...'Best Posts of the Year Award'

Sometimes I wonder, that caring, is of any good?

I cant change that side of me, many times, I think it a disadvantage.




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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 04:49:50
How about "The Charles Linskaill Award".

Has a "nice ring to it"
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 04:52:49

I can see for miles ~18,

You Must of Been a 'Dodgy Character' :)

But we all Know That! :)

Gotta go Bed!, catch-up soon!

At Least you made me Laugh!

I had a Terrible Christmas, one to forget, but I Know, I wont!

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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 04:54:30
Chuck

Get some kip.

See what's happening on the "Motherwell thread"
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 04:57:22


I can see for miles ~22,

I am off to Bed Now!

See ya L8R, no doubt!

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26/12/2008 07:46:42
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 07:51:15
RTF

It's free nil to Rangers.
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Kenny A,

26/12/2008 07:52:37
10 Couple of good points but tone down the politics.

Thought it was only two polish dentists the had, my info probably out of date, waiting list 18 months to two years. A few people I believe go to the hospital and have all their teeth removed as the waiting list is berserk.

Bit of a disgrace all round I fear.

Sadly if you can afford to fly to the Emirates the cost of flight and treatment is cheaper than going private in the UK, for major works and the dentists are far superior.
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 07:56:18
If more people follwed the "Tuffty Brush Your Teeth" program, would this even be an issue
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 08:16:39
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Col

Why would someone wake up one morning and say "I want to be a dentist"

That is the root of the problem
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 08:18:23
And Salmond has, nor surprise there, has "nothing to say"
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26/12/2008 08:19:04
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26/12/2008 08:22:51
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 08:24:46
RTF

A slow Motherwell thread. Well, Motherwell....


I was thinking how Hokey Cokey helped many a good wife get through the war years.

And now they are going to ban it...
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26/12/2008 08:27:11
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Edward,

26/12/2008 08:29:29
'Jamie Stone, the public health spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, said it was "outrageous" that such a large number of people were waiting for an NHS dentist in Scotland'
Your absolutely right Jamie, why did the LibDems allow this to happen when they were in power with Labour?
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 08:31:00
RTF

All this stuff about finesse and "clever square passing".

Evryone knows a big punt from McGregor, wee shove (fair, mind you) from Miller and a Boyd low strike will be good enough

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Edward,

26/12/2008 08:33:16
'Dr Richard Simpson, Labour's public health spokesman, said that, when in power, his party had helped to create the new dental school in Aberdeen and increased funding for dentistry.
"A growing number of people without a dentist is going to create significant problems in due course," he said.
No sh*t sherlock! By the way creating a dental school in Aberdeen does absolutely nothing to sort the problem out, it only creates dentists that have a choice of working in private practice where the money is or in the NHS, which has restrictive practices. The problem actually stems fromthe way Labour have organised dentistry in the NHS
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catgut,

pomona 26/12/2008 08:39:06
yes it is impossible to get a dentist in the highlands and islands

if i remember right it was the tories who closed the edinburgh dental school.

mind you labour have made a good job of pulling the teth from the economy
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26/12/2008 08:42:05
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 08:44:00
Col

If they ban the song it's lights out in Benidorm

And we wouldn't want that
Would we

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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 09:01:00
Col

I have my "bottle bank with various curruncies"
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 09:06:39
#44

The private system set the scene for the decay of the once great and "doesnae matter if your white" set up.

Has to be "out in the open", in my view
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Mcsnagpile,

26/12/2008 10:30:51
Can the Scotsman not move in to the lead for a while? Tail-end-Charlie. There have been a number of developments in vaccines to prevent dental caries. This is just a bacteriological decease that is curable and certainly preventable. It is time the Councils took the bull by the horns and put these issues to rest.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 26/12/2008 10:40:01
It is high time that the SNP addressed this national disgrace. Come on Alex, cut the quangos and give us more dentists.
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 10:50:42
More dentists, you ask Salmond.

If we are lucky "no more Salmond"
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Americanbob,

26/12/2008 11:00:31
It would seem that a lot of the posters on this thread have been partaking of the Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas), any chance of some sane comment?
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 11:24:32
#49

I agree. Wouldn't it be "great" it there was real brain searching debate. Less of the rubbish that some punters post day in day out.

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TWC,

26/12/2008 11:33:33
50 I can see for miles

I think it was you Americanbob was talking about
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 11:41:00
Moi?

Nah, he was talking about the "cut and pasters" who spoil these threads that should be for all the family.

Speech over
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Americanbob,

26/12/2008 11:43:32
#51 TWC. I try not to personalise criticism in these columns, but in the case of poor Chuck Linskaill.......
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JOHNW,

Dunfermline 26/12/2008 11:44:06
NHS Fife along with other boards "fail to keep numbers"

At present private dentists are not obliged to give boards the number of private patients registered so how can any NHS board work out the population numbers who are covered in its area. The board will know the number of NHS registered but without those covered privately(mostly insurance schemes) they cannot work out the size of problem in their area

Need for legislation? We pay to train the dentists they should be forced to free up info to the boards in this area of basic health
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TWC,

26/12/2008 11:44:30
52 I can see for miles,

certainment tu, because he had to explain what Nitrous Oxide was.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 26/12/2008 11:47:40
There isn't a waiting list here that I know of. Most surgeries offer a combination of NHS treatment topped up with private for cosmetic stuff. And there's the dental hospital for a real emergency, you can just walk in.

This is obviously what happens when you leave arrangements to ''the market''. Dentist will locate where they can make a good living, and where they want to live. If people wish to avoid these crisis in rural areas then there would need to be government intervention on a big scale.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 26/12/2008 11:48:29
if your unemployed,bad teeth then forget going to nhs dentist,they dont want to know you
only way your teeth will be done,is if you have cancer
as bacteria in bad teeth,could end up killing you,once the chemo starts,as your imune system is killed off by the drugs
not only the loss of hair being the probs,but bleeding gums etc
what happend to the dentist visits ,that the schools got
i went to glenvarloch primary,we had a room with dentist chair and all the torture equipmeant,well thats what we called it
so what happend to all the schools who also had the equipmeant
better to catch at source than hit and miss decades later
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 11:49:01
The old laughing gas and dentist joke
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26/12/2008 11:50:10
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I can see for miles,

26/12/2008 12:03:34
Good catholics would laugh.

But are the allowed to?
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26/12/2008 12:16:18
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26/12/2008 12:16:45
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26/12/2008 12:18:15
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26/12/2008 12:20:07
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Americanbob,

26/12/2008 12:25:26
WeeBerty.
I feel a bit of an ex-communication coming on here, sad really, a former catholic being ex-communicated by a Scottish Moderator.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 26/12/2008 12:31:25
#59
i heard that if michael jackson was accused once more by any kids,the catholic church in the usa was going to give him his own parish
aye dirty priests and monks,all hushed up and why?,because priests are not allowed sex or marriage,as the church didnt want offspring ,of the clergy claiming money from them
well its one sorry mess now with millions paid out,and i always wondered why catholic priests encouraged large families
supply and demand i suppose
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 26/12/2008 12:39:20
why even harry potter is doing the hokey pokey lol
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ejN9TBe9h6k
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The Busman,

26/12/2008 12:43:35
To get back on topic.

Could someone answer me please the underlying question, which is: why should the state pay at all for dental care? (Where I come from (ie not the UK), we pay for our own dental care and dentists pay for their own training).
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26/12/2008 13:23:28
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clacks 26/12/2008 14:15:11
Of course we could all try looking after our teeth better and making sure that young one's in our family do like wise, other than that,folks like Richard Simpson trying to make out that all these ills (no pun intended) started or got worse the day the SNP took control have now reached the ubsurd level, like many of the comments on here.
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Niall,

Cairnbulg Aberdeenshire 26/12/2008 14:20:51
I am a renal dialysis patient who has been forced to go private for the past 11 years due to lack of NHS Dentists in the Rural NE of Scotland. I have no immune system and recently I was caught in a catch 22 situation. Two stumps were causing problems and i needed them extracted. My private dentist told me they needed to be extracted in hospital due to my lack of an immune system. I was referred to Aberdeen Foresterhill hospital's Maxilarogical unit for this to be done and when I arrived they informed me that as I had been referred by a private dentist I had to pay £868 to have them extracted. If I had been referred by an NHS dentist then it would be free.

I protested that there were no NHS dentists where I live and I had been forced to go private 11 years ago when my Dentist retired. No matter, "DER ADMIN FUHRER HAS DECREED DER RULES WERE DER RULES!" Pay up or get no treatment. My Renal specialist could not budge them it was pay up or die of blood poisoning. I did pay in the end but am very bitter about the total lack of effort by NHS Grampian to sort the situation out.

Mind you I am an Accountant who has a dentist as a Client and she has just stopped doing NHS work and its not difficult to see why. An NHS dental checkup is valued at £11. A dentist can do five such checkups in an hour so that is £55 per hour yet it costs the dentist £109 per hour to operate her surgery out of her own pocket (The NHS does not pay for the running costs of the surgery). Other treatments are remunerated at far too low for the dentists to make a living on purely NHS work which is why most if not all NHS dentists have extensive private practices which subsidise the NHS work.

A fundamental root and branch reform is needed and NHS Dentistry requires adequate funding before it can become viable for Dentists to make a living.

'S Mise le meas
Niall Ban
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Hazelm,

el cajon USA 26/12/2008 16:37:56
The shortage of dentists in Scotland wasn't exactly helped by the closing of the Edinburgh Dental Hospital. "The Powers that Be" decided back in the '90's that there were going to be too many dentists so they shut down a couple of dental schools, including Edinburgh (which had the reputation of being one of the best in the country... but was scheduled for a new "state of the art" building.)
BDS (Edin)
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Florence,

Edinburgh 26/12/2008 17:25:35
Yet another neglected issue by the last Lib/Lab administration that the SNP is having to clear up and is expected to do so at the drop of a hat. The canting hypocrites in the form of Jamie Stone and Richard Simpson should hang their heads in shame.

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Shamus,

Glasgow 26/12/2008 19:00:08
74# The SNP Tartan Tories are running out of excuses. It will be the same old story next year. They are a bunch of wasters. Hardly a brain between them. I will settle for no less than Labour back without the Libs next time.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 26/12/2008 19:30:36
76# Labour have poured billions into the NHS. Just because a lot of toothless hacket faced wummin are hingin aboot Paisley does not reflect on the whole of Scotland. The SNP are finished they should stick to the hokey cokey.
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Fang Farrier,

26/12/2008 19:47:23
The salaried NHS dental service in Scotland needs a complete investigation by the auditor general into value for tax payers money. Millions are being spent on brand new surgeries by the government which are failing to recruit staff to man them. The salaried service is unproductive - there are now more dentists in the north of Scotland than ever before,- but they are not pulling their weight. No incentive to work hard as payed a set salary irrespective if patients do not attend. Short working days and too many part timers
Also get over the mantra -" the NHS is free at the point of delivery " not true since the early 1950s.

This started with the Tories with the closure of Edinburgh Dental School in the 90s and all Labour Lib did was pour money at the problem with no thought how to get value for money. The political perspective is to get rid of all independent dentists and replace them with a grossly inflated overmanned salaried service. The good news is the situation is worse in England -thank god we have not gone down their route.
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The Busman,

26/12/2008 20:43:41
#69 You've answered my question, sort-of, but what is clear is that providing dental care is pretty expensive. The trouble with taxpayer funding of dental care (and I'm not in an NHS practice), is that it creates an expectation which in time is more than a government can deliver on. Hence the problems in Scotland, and elsewhere.

What relationship is there between poverty and poor dental health, NHS or not?
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Proximaking,

Dundee 27/12/2008 17:55:55
To cut costs we need competition and that means if people pay to go on holiday to Eastern europe the NHS should pay for their dental treatment. UK dentists have always ripped people off and along with all NHS "professionals" should be taken down several dozen pegs until they earn the same as the European average ie less than half of what they "earn" at the moment in the UK. Rip-off UK should die beginning with all public "service" costs.

 

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