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Fears growing as Hearts delay wages again



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Published Date: 24 September 2008
SERIOUS concerns about the financial outlook at Hearts are growing after it became clear all the club's staff would now have to wait until Friday to be paid overdue wages.
Players are still waiting for the week's wages which should have been paid into their bank accounts last Friday. Now backroom staff at the Tynecastle club – who, unlike the players, are paid on a monthly basis – have been told they must also wait until the end of the week to receive their wages. These were due to be paid today, but anxious staff learned yesterday this would not be the case.

It is the players' situation which first led to suggestions of financial difficulties at the club. Hearts defeated Inverness 1-0 on Saturday after it emerged players had not been paid.

In a short statement released last night the club promised to resolve the situation by paying both last week's and this week's wages into the players' accounts at the end of the week.

"The club will pay the players' wages for last week in full at the end of this week," read the statement. "They will be paid with the current week's wages on Friday." The news is a departure from a club spokesman's assurance over the weekend that the players would receive their outstanding money "early this week". He said a "technical hitch" had been to blame for the delay. "The funds are there, they have just not been processed yet," he added.

No reason for the new delay was provided in yesterday's statement, nor was there any indication of what the 'technicality' was. Fraser Wishart, chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association Scotland, spoke to Campbell Ogilvie yesterday and reported that the Hearts managing director is confident the monies would be paid on Friday. "Hearts have assured the players that they are getting paid and that's the end of it for the moment," said Wishart.

There is, though, an atmosphere of uncertainly in Gorgie. Director Sergejus Fedotovas was in Edinburgh yesterday in an attempt to ease the unrest which has grown among employees.

Wishart was standing by yesterday as speculation grew about the financial situation at the club. The backdrop of global economic uncertainty has not helped ease fears about the club's future. It is unclear whether UBIG, the banking group in which Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov has a controlling interest, has been hit hard in the present climate. It was reported last month that Romanov's bid to open an Edinburgh branch of his bank Ukio Bankas had been stalled by the credit crunch.

Hearts' last accounts disclosed net debt of £36.25 million. July's approval of a debt-for-equity conversion will reduce the figure by £12 million. However, the club remains exposed to risk amid the present turmoil in the international markets and the onset of a global banking crisis.

Wishart was able to speak with Ogilvie yesterday afternoon and said he had been encouraged by what the Tynecastle managing director had to say.

"I have been told there was an issue with getting money transferred from Lithuania." said Wishart. "Campbell was quite happy with the situation, and he assured us the players would be paid. We are happy to hear the players will be paid on Friday. This is good news, especially for the younger players, who don't earn as much money."

However, no-one is taking anything for granted until the money appears in employees' bank accounts on Friday. If this does not happen, the club will have a crisis on its hands.

The full article contains 598 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 24 September 2008 12:14 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

the beast,

London 24/09/2008 00:03:30
By ALAN PATTULLO
SERIOUS concerns about the financial outlook at Hearts are growing after it became clear all the club's staff would now have to wait until Friday to be paid overdue wages.
SERIOUS concerns about the financial outlook at Hearts are growing after it became clear all the club's staff would now have to wait until Friday to be paid overdue wages.
So Good they had to say it twice?
Has the record bought the Scotsman?
How desperate are they for a story?
No doubt the usual clowns will explain all!!
2

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 24/09/2008 00:12:38
#1 i have no axe to grind..and my feelings about journalists are clear..however to suggest a top svcottish club not paying their staff isnt newsworthy is rather unfair..
3

Not another Walter Galbraith!,

north perth 24/09/2008 00:17:48
There is a Leith entrepreneur that specailizes in assisting clubs in this predicament.
4

neil7908,

24/09/2008 00:38:10
Any hearts fan who now comes out and says that this is a non story is clearly just being ridiculous, the fact that the players wages will be paid a week late is clearly a major story and although im not suggesting that they will go out of business, any decent football fan will see that this is a big issue.
5

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 00:39:16
We have certainly been lied to.

Technical glitch this certainly is not.

I'm getting stories that we had an arrangement of a £3m overdraft with HBOS. After we changed bankers to UKIO, this was reduced to £100,000. They acted as our clearing bank for transfers from UKIO. This £100k limit was breeched last week and HBOS, not surprisingly given their situation last week, would not budge on an increase.

Sergi can bang heads together all he wants, but what is needed is cold hard cash. Wonder if he brought a suitcase of litas with him?
6

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 24/09/2008 00:41:26
it wont be long until rangers troubles are as cruelly exposed...
7

neil7908,

24/09/2008 00:41:40
1# explain then how a "technical hitch" has resulted in the payment being delayed by a week? If this was this case and the playeres and staff had been paid on monday/tuesday then the issue would be dead now, but why will it take till friday for this hitch to be resolved?
8

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 00:44:54

It should also be noted that our DfE swap was because we had reached our £40m debt limit. On the official site it stated that we were reducing our debt by £12m, which they said was 30% of our debt.

Simple arithmetic tells me that if 30% of our debt is £12m, then 100% is £40m.

That was at the end of July.

Less than 2 months later we don't have enough cash to pay our players, and now it seems our backroom staff. It's these folk I feel sorry for.
9

neil7908,

24/09/2008 00:48:03
Any claims of media bias from jambos fans should refer :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/7632254.stm

The comment of "contradictory reports emanating from Tynecastle" really says a lot about what is happening here.
10

jerrymanders,

24/09/2008 00:48:24
#4

......any decent football fan will see that this is a big issue."

The Big Issue will be on sale pretty soon methinks!
11

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 00:51:07
Mad Vlad's bank shares are in the tank on the Baltic Stock Exchange (whatever the fvck that is) Down 35% in a month. Took another hammering on Tuesday.
The vulture's are circling. And there's no Lloyd's Bank/US Congress to the rescue where he comes from.
Looks like Jambos in a serious jam.
12

Richardinho,

24/09/2008 01:08:25
I've always said that Hearts were a bunch of amateurs. Now it's literally true!
13

Richardinho,

24/09/2008 01:10:18
I suspect Vlad is gambling on rise in the stock market following the latest US government intervention to save his skin.
14

EdinburghDerby Com,

nearby 24/09/2008 01:12:03
A non-story, a clerical error has been made and hearts are going bust...not! Funny how this kind of thing always seems to crop up when we are near the top of the league or are going to a United game!
15

neil7908,

24/09/2008 01:19:18
15# Please read the BBC article and then you will see how this IS a story, written by a well respected and independent news organization. I dont see hearts going out of business in the near future but this is clearly a good story and says a lot about the running of the club. Once again, why has it taken a week to fix a technical hitch? Hearts themselves said the players would be paid early this week so why is it being delayed till friday with no real explanation?
16

Richardinho,

24/09/2008 01:19:23
The deluded jambos will probably still be telling us how great Vlad is when Tynecastle is being transformed into a car park.
17

Not another Walter Galbraith!,

north perth 24/09/2008 01:36:18
AH TELT YE!
18

Harlem Tam,

24/09/2008 01:53:23
#15 - EdinburghDerby says: "A non-story, a clerical error has been made and hearts are going bust...not! Funny how this kind of thing always seems to crop up when we are near the top of the league or are going to a United game!"

So beecause Hearts are third in the SPL, the Scottish Media is persecuting them by reporting this story?

You really are a deluded fool.

A clerical error? What sort of business would allow a clerical error to delay staff wages for a whole week?

I was on here yesterday suggesting that this was a serious situation for Hearts and expressed sympathy for the Jambo fans. When I read paranoid bullsh!t like the above, my sympathy goes straight out the window.

You Jambos deserve all you get.
19

r1niceboy,

yankeeland 24/09/2008 01:53:38
I'm thinking that HBOS has tightened to something approaching duck-like, and is likely to waiting for some kind of audit on assets or loans on funds being offered by UBIG. before they'd have just signed and said what's next, but Lloyds TSB have probably got the toothcombs out.

What worries me is that UBIG aren't immediately wiring funds over.
20

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 02:00:11
FEARS for the future of debt-ridden Hearts grew as staff learned wages will NOT be paid today.

Alarmed backroom staff and admin workers were left in a state of panic as they learned monthly salaries had not reached their bank accounts.

But Jambos bosses insisted the cash would be paid by the end of the week, claiming employees were “relaxed and happy” about the situation.

News of the latest cash blow came days after it was revealed the players’ weekly pay had also failed to show up.

And it sparked fears of a financial meltdown at Tynecastle, where the last audited accounts showed a whopping debt of £36.25million.

Neither owner Vladimir Romanov nor his son Roman, the club’s chairman, was willing to make any comment.

And it was left to director Sergejus Fedotovas to fly in from Lithuania and attempt to allay the fears of anxious staff at a hastily-arranged meeting at the stadium.

He claimed an administrative cóck-up had caused the delay — with the cash going into the wrong account.

But that was eerily close to the explanation given to players last Friday, that a technical glitch had been behind non-payment of their wages.

However, Fedotovas insisted staff and players would all be paid in full on Friday.

A club insider said: “It is worrying, but we have been assured that the money will be in our accounts by the end of the week. We have to wait and hope that is the case.”

An official statement later stated the players would receive money owed before Saturday’s trip to Dundee United. A spokesman then said that staff, some of whom had been in tears at the news they would not be paid, were relaxed at developments.

He said: “Staff will now all be paid in full on Friday.

“They were told about this resolution this afternoon and, while there had been some concern over the uncertainty, they are now relaxed and happy with the situation.

“Staff are paid monthly and this means payment will only be a few days behind, so it shouldn’t cause a
21

taIk o' the toun,

24/09/2008 02:00:54
“Staff are paid monthly and this means payment will only be a few days behind, so it shouldn’t cause any of our staff a serious problem.”

PFA Scotland chief Fraser Wishart said: “We have been assured the players’ wages will be paid by the end of the week. For the moment, we are comfortable with that.”
22

Rancho Relaxo,

24/09/2008 02:05:58
I can transfer money from my Aussie bank to my UK bank in less than 24 hours. Given that he owns the bank, surely Vlad could have access to a similar level of service. Not paying people their wages for up to a week after they are due quite clearly indicates that there is something seriously wrong.
23

Harlem Tam,

24/09/2008 02:24:14
I have been in a situation - ironically in the Edinburgh financial district - where staff were told in advance that salaries due the next day would be delayed by 24 hours due to a glitch in the computer Payroll software system. The salaries were indeed in the banks the following day, and in some cases, that night.

The point is, it was regarded by the employer as an extremely high priority issue. In any industry, the non-payment of wages and salaries is treated as a major issue by employers and any technical hitch is either resolved instantly or a contingency plan is brought into play.

Hearts are quite simply lying through their teeth in insisting that this is down to technical/clerical problems.

THAT is the big worry here.
24

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/09/2008 03:19:56
Like HBOS how much of this Sh!t is linked to slimy Brown. Wait for Liebore to ride to Vlad's rescue with some "bridge" financing from Lloyds.
You read it here first.
25

Brendan the Scozzie,

...at the Teller counter... 24/09/2008 03:26:49
What you've gotto remember - including that clown Pattullo is that UBIG are NOT a BANK!!!
They are a private investment company. Just like all the others that are struggling to pay their way.
The income from Hearts on a weekly basis will not cover their outgoings and interest to UBIG.
That makes them a non performing loan and a problem for UBIG - see the S&P report above.
UBIG list the fitba team and the stadium as two separate enterprises.
If UBIG can't fund HOM Pty Ltd and it can't fund itself then its in trouble.
The loan players will depart first back to their home clubs.
26

CALEDONIACO,

The Emerald City 24/09/2008 03:39:14
We really have to get our a$$es down south away from all this $h!t, we're dealing with a bunch of amateurs or part time amateurs who every now and again get a result of of us.

The question is will they let us go down there on our own as the other side of Glasgow would be lucky to organize a friendly with an English team after their last visit, it's all doom and gloom.

Question to the Hearts fans if and it's a big if the proverbial does hit the fan is there anyone who can come in and save your club, serious question the first two paragraphs are just frustration as another premier side could quite possible go into receivership.
27

Daillyman,

24/09/2008 03:41:16
I wonder if the Kanaus players were paid? Mad Vlad other team.
28

Daillyman,

24/09/2008 03:54:34
Should the worst happen to HMFC the SFA and SPL have a lot to answer to.

Livingston went the administration way, Gretna folded, Motherwell, Dundee all have had major financial problems after changes in ownership.

New owners should be screened more vigorously, they should have to post a major bond that would carry a team through a season should the owner file for administration.

I asked this question before to HMFC supporters without getting an answer.

How much money did Romanov turn over for control of HMFC, can never seem to get an answer.
29

Jon Bon Jovi,

24/09/2008 04:02:43

well vlad has steered a submarine so surely he should be able to steer hearts out of any trouble??

nah, no chance... most non-yam fans thought hearts would go out of business at some point but few saw the credit crisis (including Vlad) and unfortunately it's happening sooner rather than later!!!!
30

TangerineDreamer,

OF Free zone 24/09/2008 05:06:24
If there was a straightforward explanation we would have been given that straighforward explantion.

Oligive says the cash will be paid on Friday becuase his masters have told him so, but that counts for squat didly.

Did the journalist bother to ask whether the players would be turning up on Saturday if they were not paid?

31

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 05:25:52
NO DOUBT this is a story but the BBC report is factual whereas the Scotsman is written in tabloid fashion. The only thing for sure is we will never know what the 'technical hitch' was.Clearly it is not credible to claim that the funds were there as any 'hitch' could & should have been resolved NO LATER than Monday. Equally IMO a 'doomsday 'senario is unlikely unless UBIG are about to collapse.(although not impossible nothing to suggest same).There is NO DOUBT that if UBIG were looking for a way out ADMIN is the last thing that they would allow to happen as UBIG/UKIO/VR WILL carry the financial can(contry to TT 's asset stripping nonsence).Clearly UBIG could substantially reduce the debt by 'cashing in' Hearts intangible assets i.e. selll the players in the transfer window: Berra/Driver/Kingston would generate £4m in a fire sale.Thereafter they would follow the robinson route & cssh in our only real tangible asset Tynecastle(SRU would bite Hearts hands off re renting Murrayfield). Well aware that the value of same would be well down due to recession but should generate £15m . In summary well aware figures are subjective but princile that UBIG can generate a sum that would substantially reduce the debt is sound.
Why then the obvious cash flow problem...total speculation but i would estimate Hearts are in XS of £1m on budgeted income due to the loss of 3 000 season tickets/crowds down/corporate income well down.Last season's debacle the major reason but the recession will hit all clubs hard. HMFC would have a facility & clearly could have breached same...could well be UBIG have insisted on some form of due dilligence BEFORE advancing more monies.
Bottom line IMO is that we remain as stable as UBIG but brace ourselves for loosing players in the transfer window.
32

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 05:32:56
Will leave the rest of the day to the parasites.(#37 one of the prime candidates)

I am genuially disgusted(but not suprised)at the obvious joy they obtain from their perception of Hearts demise.

HHGH
33

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 05:45:47
#41....would you?...i wouldn't(posts 33& 37 demonstrate same)...as i said to your bumchum Pundit any real football supporter would draw a line at their perception of the demise of HMFC.

However on you go ....everyone to his own.
34

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 05:59:34
Were you really....post 37 also complimentary?

You could be right i might well have lost the plot but you simply do not understand the 'plot'.....as i said no real football supporter would feed off their perception of the demise of a football club..... eg the ill fated Wallace Mercer attempt at destroying Hibs was condemned by the vast majority of Hearts supporters.

With all due respect to you your posts are irrelivant to HEARTS current problems.

35

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 06:13:48
What a stupid question?

Feel free to disagree with my perception(acknowledged as pure speculation;probably with a large dose of wishfull thinking) in POST #38 but clear i do not 'pretend things are not happening' and that i do not think the problems are about to'go away'

As i said earlier everyone to their own.... but do not post in a manner that feeds of the current HEARTS problems and then not be big enough to admit same/try and convince yourself that your posts are objective.

36

Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 06:14:15
tic-roc...tic-toc...
37

Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 06:16:09
It's all a bad dream, we'll all wake up to find herz have won the Champions League as promised by Vlad : )
38

Pilrig,

Livingston 24/09/2008 06:18:40
And the yams will be celebrating in the 5 star hotel in McLeod Street......
39

Realistic Jambo,

Penicuik 24/09/2008 06:19:03
TOTT, most real football supporters have came on here warning about the dangers facing us over the last couple of years, and all the majority of Jambo's could see was "jealous Hobo, peg selling, caravan dwelling junkies with a degree in Hobonomics who have never seen their team win a Scottish Cup". We have alianated ourselves from the rest of Scottish football because of our "big team" mentallity. We are on our own, don't expect any sympathy from anyone!
40

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 06:22:22
#49 ....should not have been stupid enough to attempt to engage in a debate with you....my own fault....will leave you & Pilrig(same wavelengh) to summarise the current situation.
41

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 06:36:13
#51 i answer for myself not other Jambos;not guilty.....no sympathy requested or expected.

Completly different point i am making ie that i am disgusted at the joy a % of posters get out of their perception of Hearts demise(million miles from sympathy). HEARTS are a Scottish football institution & IMO any REAL football fan would understand my point.

BTO: my only conern is Hearts i will not make the mistake again of making ref to your post(irrelivant aside:note you are also ridiculed on a non football story)


42

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 06:51:30
#55 Correct....very uptight;appreciate that you do not understand why. Well aware that you will win hands down in terms of getting the last word so i will depart & revert back to where i should have left my dialogue with you.... you are a prize ars#hole.
43

Realistic Jambo,

Penicuik 24/09/2008 06:53:37
TOTT. The point I.m making is that the majority of non Hearts posters are coming on here to have a dig at Hearts and laugh at our current predicament because of the way they were treated by those Jambo's who's heads were stuck in the sand and didn't want to believe how deep in the S4!t we really were. It's payback time for them. I wonder if the usual suspects will be on telling us it's a non story by a hobo journalist and there is nothing to worry about because thats the way " big business works".
44

Talk o' the Toun,

24/09/2008 07:10:49
#57 understand your point.... IMO two wrongs do not make a right.

However current situation is too serious to waste time with wasters....as i said earlier ;brought it on myself.


45

Paranoid John from Midlothian,

24/09/2008 07:27:03
A non story...happened to me once...money paid Friday...gub Utd Saturday...end of...find something worthwhile to write about.
46

tommytommy,

24/09/2008 07:30:17
Can anyone confirm the rumour that Hearts fans are on Ritoline.?

Where has all the money gone?
47

WALTER SMITHS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY #1....,

GB/UK/WORLDWIDE 24/09/2008 07:32:28
Sad day for the shambos but they deserve all they get for sitting by doing nothing while Vlad fed them BS like we're going to win the CL.

That should have given them a clue that the man is a bam.

What's all this cr'p about a credit crunch anyway?
How many of you have had to take a drop in wages recently because of it?
How many of you have suddenly found that everything costs twice as much now?

It's a pile of mince, a handy little catchphrase that covers up the fact that the whole world operates in la-la land.
How can a company suddenly be worth half what it was the day before?
How can 20million be wiped off the value of a bank?

My wages have stayed the same and my dealer's prices haven't changed for 4 years.
A 6 pack costs the same as last week and my rent hasn't gone up for 2 years.

I'm alright Jack and I couldn't care less about the shambos.
They should however be vey afraid.
48

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:38:22
BLT - if - and IF - Hearts went into administration it would take longer than a month for the club to fold. If you are going to comment on big boy issues get your facts right.
49

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:42:29
#65 More than a month thats for sure BLT.
50

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:42:58
(That was bang on a minute btw)
51

Addie,

24/09/2008 07:43:30
#65 Oxygen thief BTO....
52

Munter,

Musselburgh 24/09/2008 07:46:16
"Funny how this kind of thing always seems to crop up when we are near the top of the league or are going to a United game!"
Youse have become a bunch of deluded fools.
Your club looks to be in serious bother because it's owned by a demented lunatic and it's all a conspiracy by the Scottish media ??
Jeez.
53

hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 07:54:44
I asked yesterday where all the season ticket money has gone and no one could give me an answer...maybe it's all gone to Lithland.
54

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 07:55:56
This is such a small matter the players have just had a delay in wages being paid! The first time it has happened & the media have called it a crisis only because there is nothing else to write about!!

We will soon see on friday if they lads get there wages & if not then I will be worried. In the mean time all you bunch of story tellers go & get your own teams house in order.
55

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 07:57:02
71#

What the hell is your point about season ticket sales not sure what you mean
56

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:00:44
74#
Mr Fuddy Duddy! what do I not get come on teh Hearts FC know it all!
57

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:05:19
Bring Them On#

You honestly dont have a clue! I read these articles every day on the hearts bit & you always seem to pop up & latch on to any & every story about hearts. Surley in the name of god you would prefer to comment on your on scumbag team!
58

Impartial,

Perth 24/09/2008 08:05:27
The responsibility for this mess, which could be spotted some time ago, lies squarely on the shoulders of Robinson and Deans. It was they who brought these people to Tynecastle, not because it was good for Hearts but to finally sell shares, no one here would buy. This after Dunfermline, Dundee United, Dundee and several English clubs had declined to deal with Romanov and his pals. Non payment of staff wages is the ultimate default, there will be a long list behind the staff. Good luck to Hearts (as opposed to the owners) the staff and supporters.
59

Addie,

24/09/2008 08:05:48
#74 As Im busy at work right now I will keep this nice and simple for you BLT since you are a simple lad...

Its a technical problem which means that Hearts can not pay their players on time. Therefore they have stated the wages will be paid on Friday. If Hearts do not pay their players on Friday then by all means you can have a wee gloat and then talk about all the doom and gloom economics and business finance and lecture us on your 'supreme' wisodom on this matter.

Until that dark and very unlikely day arrives, off you go and play with your toys in the motorway.
60

Addie,

24/09/2008 08:06:41
#74 And who uses insults like 'Mr Marshmallow Brian' anyway? What a tool!!!
61

rl250 hfc,

24/09/2008 08:06:57
To all the Jambos who still beLIEve

Re-arrange this sentence-

DROPPED HAS YET THE PENNY NOT !
62

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:10:00
77#

Just before you say anything else have a look at the hearts website & look at the official statement!

I will expect you to join us on Friday afternoon to eat your humble pie along with the rest of the shower of C**P that comes on here.
63

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:11:17
To all the hibees that still think they will win the scottish cup!!

KEEP DREAMING!!!
64

Butch,

Canada 24/09/2008 08:11:56
Does not look good for Hearts right now. Kind of sad really, seeing as they are looked upon as one of the big clubs in Scotland.

Looks like it is heading towards a Gretna kind of scenario, hope not, but you never know.
65

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 24/09/2008 08:15:41
Last one oot remember tae pit the lights oot,mind you theres nae cash for the electricity so it might be cut off before then,enjoy yir derbies with Spartans,

BYE BYE JAMBOS,
BIG CLUB, BIG DEBT, tee hee hee
66

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:16:19
83#

Sorry I must have got you all wrong wee man You know an awfull lot about my club are you sure your not erm converting to the JT's
67

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:16:56
Shameless scaremongering by the Scotsman. BBC Scotland were at it last night in their report. The desk anchor asked if this was another Gretna situation and suggested it could be - the reporter on the site said it was nothing like that and nowhere near that as all staff had just attended a meeting at which they were informed when they would be paid. The Scotsman does this deliberately as Hearts don't talk to them or release news through them (ie no more scoops) so they have to manufacture their own stories. The BBC site for example simply says staff will be paid on Friday. So all the idiots on here predicting administration for Hearts (again) have a little while longer to wait.
68

Alex123,

Tynecastle 24/09/2008 08:18:42
85#

You know as well as I do that hearts would never fall like Gretna!

Hearts are a massive club & very important to Scotland. Also there would be a long line of people that would buy hearts of romanov so sorry to spoil your party keep dreaming
69

Mooncat,

Sweden 24/09/2008 08:21:31
What is the absolute worst scenario that can happen to Hearts here? The apocalyptic scenario?? If they got taken into receivership etc... what would happen?

www.fitbaw365.com
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John H,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:22:22
Hearts were playing at the pink bus shelter on Saturday. There must have been some income generated then. Seems like all the monies are transferred to Lithuania then drip fed back when required.Are Hearts now Hearts in name only? It certainly looks like it.
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Braes of Glenmiller,

24/09/2008 08:29:20
The nonsense that BTO talks, and all night. Haven't you got a job to go to?

What is this "negative" bank rating? I have worked in the financial/IT industry for over 20 years and nobody has ever had a negative rating. Who isssued this negative rating? Certainly not S&P. Nope, the only negative thing is BTO himself, attention seeking.

Your comments are just some made up pseudo nonsense to cover your complete lack of knowledge or expertise in banking and the corporate affairs for financial organisations.

Now, as to the Hearts. I think there is cause for concern about the solvency of the parent banking group right now and this might reflect back on to the club.

If we go bust we go bust. The replacement company/football club will have to start again in a lower league and build up to attaining SPL status. At least it would be without the current executive, and we might have a genuine peoples football club back.

So boom, wages paid, 3rd in the SPL, or bust, start again lower in the league with a diferent ownership structure the future for Hearts is always bright because so many of us support the club and not the people who are the current custodians of it.

What's the problem? A few disgruntled Rioters and Hobos would lose out on their daily verbal diahorrea outbreak in the Hearts threads, but the future is bright, and MR BTO, it isn't orange.
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hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:29:48
# 88 Hearts had a massive 12,000 on Saturday, my point about the season ticket money was that we are in week six of the season when most clubs are living off the payments they have received. Other clubs have to use an overdraft facility later in the season say about March which sees them through until the next renewals...we are in September and you are skint. Maybe everyone will be paid on Friday but what about the Friday after that?, As for being a very important club for Scotland i think you will find that most of Scotland find your delusions of grandeur a good reason to see the back of you for good.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:30:13
#90 The worst case scenario is Hearts will go bust only to be reborn as "Hearts FC" or similar in a lower division (if a space can be found - and everything would be done to find that place as Hearts have a massive fanbase by Scottish standards, not counting the OF). Due to the income generated from a large customer base the club would quickly rise the leagues and probably end up as the top-6 to top-3 club they've been as long as I can remember.
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dannybhoy,

24/09/2008 08:30:14
i fear the worst & i sincerly hope i am wrong this is anouther example of how money is killing the game
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Swordsman,

Dublin 24/09/2008 08:33:30
Morning All..

I sincerly hope that the worst case scenario doesnt come to pass but there are those who think that after a meltdown, a quick bounce back up the leagues will be assured...Leeds Utd fans might disagree...
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:34:32
#93 It's not delusions of grandeur to say Hearts are one of the most important clubs in Scotland - we are. We're one of the oldest and, statistically speaking, are the best supported and have the best playing record outside the Old Firm (look it up). If it hurts you to hear that it's because your club hasn't managed to maintain that consistency (despite a similar-sized fanbase and income).
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Dood,

24/09/2008 08:37:04
#98

Aye, and the bigger they are, the harder they fall...........

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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:37:11
#97 Are Leeds battling against Montrose, Cowdenbeath, East Stirling, Arbroath, QoS, Raith Rovers in their rise back up the leagues as Hearts would have to do? There is no comparison at all. Just look at how quickly Gretna did it - all through a tiny cash injection (with no fanbase to sustain it, unlike Hearts).
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hibbydoug,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:37:26
What sticks in most peoples throat is the yams attitude that they have a rightfull place at the top table but i think you will find that this has to be earned and not bought-the mighty can fall -just look at what happened to HBOS
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Johnny Jambo,

24/09/2008 08:42:06
How long will this story drag on, this is the same news and details we heard on Monday, why do they do this.

If we have financial difficulties then so be it we will deal with it if it arises but the players are all happy with the explanations they have had and now new news has gome out from Tynecastle.
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Swordsman,

Dublin 24/09/2008 08:42:52
#100

Merely drawing comparisons with a well supported team which has,in the space of a couple of years,gone from CL to lower league status.
Of course Hearts would move up the leagues in smart time but there are those on here who see it as merely a formality ...a dangerous mindset,I think.
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Johnny Jambo,

24/09/2008 08:43:49
#101, no one says we have a rightful (correct spelling) place at the table top and there is a long way to go, but right now its a fact we are third in the league because our results have put us there.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:45:22
#101 Your inferiority complex is coming through loud and clear. We HAVE earned that right. We earn it every season by continuing to stay in this division and, until last season, more times than not finishing nearer the top end than the bottom end. We've paid our way in Scottish football with a large, loyal support (that doesn't disappear for tricky games against our local rivals). And remember we have this support despite achieving very little of note. This doesn't mean we have the right to stay at "the top table" but as of now we have eared that right.
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 08:45:59
93 better having delusions of grandeur than delusions of mediocracy
94 exactly, remember Hearts are the only team that EVER makes the SPL interesting both at home and abroad.
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SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

24/09/2008 08:48:29
This could just be a slight cash flow problem.

Hearts haven't had a decent home game with a well supported team since 27th Feb. Celtic don't come calling until 2nd Nov. These games are obviously good in terms of topping up season ticket money and bringing in t.V money.

Remember Gretna hinging so much on a home game against Celtic.

There is obviously not a lot of slack around.

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Hysterical Jambow,

24/09/2008 08:51:23
Does anyone know if the players on-loan from Kaunus were paid on time? Or even if any journalist has considered asking this question!!??

I imagine they would be paid directly by FC Kaunus, not through Hearts. Surely this information would give a better indication as to wether the UBIG group, as a whole, have cash flow problems or if it is just a "technical error" as we are being told?

Any journalist worth his salt would maybe research and advise people of this, or have they and the answer aided to provide a less dramatic headline story...?
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

24/09/2008 08:51:23
#104 It would be a formaility. A fanbase 10, 20, 30... times the size of the clubs they'd be playing would mean much higher wages and much better players - the club would shoot back up. In fact, it would be fun and was my preferred scenario after Romanov sacked Burley and started messing the team about.
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Indy Rep Kid...,

24/09/2008 08:54:00
#110

This is the point: there are a number of pertinent questions that can be asked about this situation and yet it seems to have escaped the Scotsman to do so.

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Dood,

24/09/2008 09:03:00
#110

"Any journalist worth his salt"

Have to agree with #112 - You're on the wrong website mate.
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Down with everything,

24/09/2008 09:10:32

Having read the article and heard the same news reports over several days i am inclined to fear the worst for our club.

Many posts have referred to the paying of wages as a number one priority for businesses and those that fail to do so rectify the situation normally within 24 hours. I am of the opinion that this could be the first sign that Vlad will not be around much longer.

If this was a technical glitch then a firm statement would have been released detailing an exact plan to remedy the situation, what was released was vague and not properly acted upon.

If the wages do appear this week, and Vlad makes a full statement clarifying the situation, then i will be satisfied with the position and take it for what we have been told it was.

For me, no public statement from our owner will mean that all is not well with regards our future.

I wait to see what this week brings.

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Alasdair,

24/09/2008 09:12:16
Yesterday a surprisingly large number of head-in-the-sand Jambos surfaced on these boards. I was astonished - it was the first time I'd seen such levels of delusion since Romanov's claim that he'd buy "WORLD CLASS" players.

A few folk were pointing out that because BACS transactions take 2-3 days, by the time the "technical hitch" was discovered, the time required to sort it carried us up towards the end of this week anyway.

Two questions:
1) Why not just apologise and pay by CHAPS? That is what any reputable business does.

2) Why do these stories only come out regarding HOMFC? Whether it's the wages here, or the club being threatened with court action over transfer fees, or Romanov's lies regarding the quality he will bring to the club. This isn't happening with other teams.
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Who?,

24/09/2008 09:12:21
Firstly if you want a poorly written article then alan pattullo is your guy. Most of his previous articles involved copy and pasting whole sale from other newspapers, the bbc or world football magazine.

Lets not forget alan pattullo is the guy who thought that John Collins would be a good manager as he had chisled good looks and a 6 pack! Anybody who based management ability on looks can't be a serious jouno.

The only thing about this situation that worries me is Fraser Wishart circuling over head- the guy gives me the creeps! He has no real role to play in scottish football yet he is full of his own self importance. Trade union guys who genuinly care for their members i have no problem with but this guy is intent in getting his picture in the press while not caring who he uses to do so.
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Who?,

24/09/2008 09:17:07
#116- why not pay by CHAPS- hey why not pay by cheque, cash or magic beans?

Whats your point?

If the players and staff seem happy with whatever arrangements are in place and no news on the subject has been released by anybody in the know then this is all speculation- YES?

Too many people getting over excited about something which doesn't concern them.
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Iain Bhern,

24/09/2008 09:18:30
Even as a Hibs fan I have to say that this really is not newsworthy. Why? simple, because it's the first time such a story has entered the public domain! I've been hearing stories (from a reliable source) for the last two years about some members of staff at Hearts being kept waiting weeks for their wages. This therefore is nothing new. Only if (and it is if) Hearts come out and say they are having financial problems should people really start to worry. Until then it's no more than supposition.