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Mann overboard as 'spin doctor' ends association with Romanov



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Published Date: 26 June 2008
VLADIMIR Romanov yesterday parted company with of one of his most loyal supporters when the Hearts owner's recent unwillingness to communicate with either media or club supporters in Scotland saw Charlie Mann withdraw his services as his spokesman.
Mann, a director of leading public relations firm Weber Shandwick who have worked for Romanov in Scotland since the Lithuanian businessman's first involvement with Hearts in 2004, prompted the decision not to renew the contract.

It is believed Man
n had grown increasingly frustrated by his company's relationship with Romanov and could no longer see the value in providing a public relations service for someone with so little interest in keeping the public informed of his strategy or vision for Hearts.

Mann remains on good personal terms with Romanov, who agreed that the contract with Weber Shandwick should not be renewed, and is unchanged in his belief that his now former client has only positive intentions for Hearts.

A distinct change in policy by Romanov over the past few months, however, has seen the club's majority shareholder decide to opt out of communicating with Hearts supporters either directly or through the normal media outlets.

"Working with Vladimir Romanov for the last four years has been a unique experience, a rollercoaster ride, and it has shown that a club like Hearts does have the ability to challenge the Old Firm in Scotland," Mann told The Scotsman last night.

"But communication is vital to that whole process and I have my views on that. As a professional in the public relations industry, I am clear on the value of communicating regularly and effectively with your customers."

As Romanov's 'spin doctor' to the Scottish media, Mann was a staunch defender of the controversial Russian-born banker throughout what has been the most turbulent and dramatic period of the Tynecastle club's history.

It cost Mann his 12-year association as a football correspondent with BBC Scotland when he felt undermined and betrayed by a Frontline Scotland documentary which carried footage of him intervening to end an interview with Romanov.

Mann did not always publicly agree with Romanov's decisions, contesting the sacking of Graham Rix as head coach in February 2006 and also defending the right of Steven Pressley, Paul Hartley and Craig Gordon, the so-called 'Riccarton Three', to air their discontent at the way the club was being run later that year.

Mann remained, however, a valuable and effective buffer between Romanov and the media who ensured that the club owner's viewpoint, however controversial, was given as much prominence as those of his critics.

Romanov's public relations will now be handled by Jurga Chomskyte-McGeever at the headquarters of his Ubig organisation in Lithuania, while Hearts retain their own press office at Tynecastle.

It is now a moot point, however, just how much anyone else connected with the club is now in the loop as far as Romanov is concerned. The outburst by Roman Romanov, his son and chairman of the club, at the Hearts AGM in April came as a complete surprise to Mann and others at boardroom level.

Romanov junior faces an SFA enquiry for asserting that the SPL is a "fixed league" and that games had been "screwed by referees", comments which embarrassed those attempting to steer Hearts away from the paranoid tendencies so often fuelled by the club owner in the past.

The now infamous club statement of 1 January, which declared the intention to appoint a new manager with experience of British football, was fully supported by both Mann and Hearts managing director Campbell Ogilvie.

The Hearts players reported for pre-season training yesterday with caretaker coach Stephen Frail and sporting director Anatoly Korobochka still in charge of the first-team squad as Romanov's tortuous search for a new manager approaches a seventh month.

His failure to lure Mark McGhee from Motherwell saw him switch his attention to Icelandic coach Gudjon Thordarson, Slovakian Vladimir Weiss and Belarussian Andrei Zygmantovich. While Thordarson has worked in English football and planned to appoint Scotland coach Terry Butcher as his assistant, the other two candidates clearly failed to fulfil the criteria set out in the original statement.

The public nature of McGhee's rejection of Hearts certainly stung Romanov and hardened his resolve to close all lines of communication with the media. It has now also cost him the services of the man who was prepared to act as his human shield from those who remain most sceptical about his stewardship of Hearts.

Defending the indefensible: six PR disasters that rocked Tynecastle

• OCTOBER 2005

George Burley sacked as manager with Hearts unbeaten at the top of the SPL having enjoyed their best start to a campaign in modern times. Charlie Mann hears the news while on his way to covering a match at St Mirren for the BBC and turns his car around to face the media flak.

• OCTOBER 2006

Vladimir Romanov says the whole Hearts first team squad will be put up for sale 'to Kilmarnock, or whatever club will take them' if they fail to beat Dunfermline. Mann steps in to try and defuse the comments. The club descends further into turmoil with captain Steven Pressley addressing the media on the eve of the Dunfermline game, flanked by Paul Hartley and Craig Gordon, to speak of 'significant unrest' in the dressing room.

• NOVEMBER 2006

Pressley, as the spokesman for the 'Riccarton Three', is stripped of the captaincy by Romanov. Mann defends the players' right to free speech but Pressley leaves the club the following January, joining Celtic. Hartley is sold to the same club later that month, while Gordon is also left out of the team for a spell before being sold to Sunderland in August 2007 for a club record £9million.

• FEBRUARY 2007

An interview with Romanov in a Russian football magazine includes claims that both Celtic and Rangers have been making payments to match officials. Mann is left to clean up the mess, suggesting the comments were taken out of context.

• JANUARY 2008

Hearts issue a statement outlining their search for a new 'British style' manager. Almost six months later, the search continues after Mark McGhee turned down the position in favour of staying at Motherwell, with Mann and others out of the Romanov loop.

• APRIL 2008

Roman Romanov, Vladimir's son and club chairman, tells the Hearts agm the SPL is "fixed" and "screwed by referees". Mann cringes in embarrassment.





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  • Last Updated: 25 June 2008 11:23 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

Puling Prince Roman,

Lost in a bewildering bambotic tendency 26/06/2008 00:09:18
Souv'nir t-shirts! Getcha souv'nir t-shirts! They're luvly!

Completely blank.

Limited edition. Nine thousand only. Buy early...
2

Van City Hibee,

how do you solve a problem like romanov????????? 26/06/2008 00:41:02
what now for the rudderless ship???


at least Frail's back training............
3

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

26/06/2008 00:44:13
"Jurga Chomskyte-McGeever " a brilliant name, not dissimilar to "Tokyo Rose"

Where East meets West.

So Charlie "Yes" Mann has parted company as predicted by SAME RULES APPLY in a reply to a post from "Bleeding Heart" many months ago.

Yes my wee pal Bleedsy, you heard it here first.

SAME RULES APPLY !!!

4

Jon Bon Jovi,

26/06/2008 00:45:19

theres only one 'Jurga Chomskyte-McGeever'.......
5

gggrumpy,

26/06/2008 00:46:40
Charlie Mann gives up the gig.
Why?
Because he is sick of getting paid for doing nothing!
Aye right?!
6

bring them on,

26/06/2008 01:16:12
Why should Romanov speak to Hearts fans...

They never listen anyway.
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Cammy,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 01:33:56
Some clever person on KickBack suggested Mel Brooks for the new Hearts manager.

It certainly made me think that HMFC would make a great Mel Brooks film script. Certainly enough crazy and insane story lines.

As for a Title, I'll leave that to those more creative than me.

Eduard Malofeev and Stevie Frail?
http://www.destinationhollywood.com/movies/youngfrankenstein/mediaclip_01.shtml
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bring them on,

26/06/2008 01:41:37
#7

They should do the film like the Great Scrape or the `Poisonrov Adventure.

A good disaster movie, with few getting away.
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Reg, Perth WA,

26/06/2008 02:47:11
The SPL, SFA and clubs in Scotland should be seen to be assisting the players and staff of HMFC in what appear to be Dickensian conditions with regard to the owner/staff environment.
At the same time, the SPL, SFA and clubs in Scotland should be seen to be making it increasingly difficult for the owners to f@rt in the face of Scottish football. The previous owners should be hanging their heads in shame.
All this mindless bile, "claims that both Celtic and Rangers have been making payments to match officials", "the SPL is "fixed" and "screwed by referees"!
Ban them from the grounds, even their own! I know they rarely attend these days but it would be a significant start and further highlight the problem in need of addressing, now, this year, this season.
Scotland needs Hearts and now, in particular, Hearts need Scotland.
gg2th
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

26/06/2008 03:08:12
#9 I don't remember Dickensian orphans getting paid 10K a week for doing nowt, but then I wasn't there.

Anyhow - yawn, wake me up when the season starts.
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Star o' Rabbie Burns,

New Cumnock, CUMNOCK 26/06/2008 07:08:51
#8 - Gorgski Park maybe?

Or a new twist to the Bard's work, with Romanov taking on both the Montagus and Capulets?

Naw - it's Deliverance, shot on the Water of Leith with Roman Romanov for Burt Reynolds and bagpipes for banjoes.
12

Hibby,

Lochaber 26/06/2008 07:55:50
You couldn't make up what has gone on at Hearts over the past four years, but it's certainly more horror story than fairy story.
Surely it's long past the time when all decent proud Jambos should be taking to the streets of Lithuania in protest at this shambles.
If I was one of them I'd rather start again at Saughton Enclosure than keep that clown and his sycophants a minute longer. He is turning the club into a music hall joke.
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scorchio,

West of the Pecos 26/06/2008 07:59:17
Another regurgitated article.
The big story from Tynie is "One down one to go".
Shaggy's away, now lets get Korobotchup ott o' the place.
We await the appointment of our NEW MANAGER.
Vlad...Sort it out.
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Vincent Vega,

26/06/2008 08:07:45
I wonder if the reason Mann has gone is anything to do with this?

CALA Homes appoints Weber Shandwick for Scotland-wide PR brief
Following a competitive pitch, CALA Homes has appointed Weber Shandwick to handle its Scotland-wide house building consumer and corporate public relations brief.

The contract will be managed from Weber Shandwick's offices in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen. The consultancy will work closely with each of CALA's three regional sales and marketing offices, and report to CALA Homes chairman Gerry More.

Nora Senior, Managing Director of Weber Shandwick in Scotland said: "This is a great account for Weber Shandwick to win, and is a natural fit for our existing property practice in Scotland. CALA is a highly regarded, recognised brand across Scotland and the UK. It is now our job to make sure the brand maintains and improves its high profile in a tough and competitive marketplace."

Gerry More said: "Scotland is an expanding business for us with a huge range of exciting projects both on the ground and in the development pipeline. We want to expand our public relations and media activity to reflect the scale of ambition of CALA Homes – and Weber Shandwick is the right company to deliver this."

http://www.webershandwick.co.uk/home...-are-up-to/243

Maybe a conflict of interests?
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Vincent Vega,

26/06/2008 08:16:18
Interesting story below from Talk 107 radio.

"Talk 107 can reveal Stephen Frail's continued employment by Hearts is in severe doubt this evening.

The caretaker boss turned up at Tynecastle this morning for a meeting prior to the first day of pre-season training, but was then told to go home by Anatoli Korobotchka - who was following orders from Lithuania - until at least next week.

Frail, who's been around the club for the last week after returning from holiday in Florida, remains under contract with Hearts - but it appears highly unlikely he'll continue to be employed by the Jambos for much longer.

There appears to be two possible reasons for today's actions. It's suggested Frail's alleged negative demeanour in and around Tynecastle since returning from holiday has been reported back to Vladimir Romanov.

The other concerns the possibility of an announcement regarding a new manager possibly being imminent.

The players reported back this morning for medical testing. Sprint work will commence on Monday under the guidance of Tom Ritchie, with Frail having to wait to see if he's required to return to work."

So is a new manager imminent or just Vlad taking the hump again. Thing just get funnier & funnier at Tynie.
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K c,

26/06/2008 08:21:02
#9 Reg, you've been out in the sun too long. The SPL, SFA etc. have no real power, as Craig Levein showed when he threatened court action. It's their rules are dickensian and would be laughed out of any court in the land (even your current resident land)

.... and why's this even a story. Companies change their advisers (PR or otherwise) on a regular basis. The real story, as scorcio says, is the new "working from home regime" for Frail.
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Johnny Jambo,

26/06/2008 08:23:31
Cannot Fathom out what is happening, I read this morning on Teletext that Frail has been banned from Pre season Training

Anyone help with any further info on this.
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26/06/2008 08:26:55
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Edinburgh's Big Team,

EH11 26/06/2008 08:28:16
This is not a great start in what is meant to be a defining season. If Vlad does not appoint the right manager and continues to believe he does not have to communicate with the fans, he will learn this season that we own the club and not him.
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26/06/2008 08:28:54
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26/06/2008 08:30:16
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 08:34:21
frail told to go home, talk107 reckon it's one of two possibilities as to why, either vlad hacked off with frail mumping about or a new manager imminent.

interesting and a little concerning. weiss is supposed to be taking the slovakia job today so it could well be that a hearts appointment is indeed imminent, what most of us suspected all along... the belarussian dude.

still glad that frail seems to be getting the elbow, again, apparently, maybe.

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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 08:35:36
#23

Vic: who would you rather have taking pre-season training? Frail or nobody?
25

Toast,

26/06/2008 08:36:59
Stevie Frail was sent home from the 1st day of training without explaination.
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 08:40:30
#24, really don't know. the likes of steve banks can cope taking training for a while. i hope there is a new manager imminent but not the belarussian guy hopefully.

to me there is no difference between frail and him, both mean that romanov will still be picking the team.

rock and a hard place.

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huggs,

26/06/2008 08:41:55
As much as i dont rate Frail
The treatment he is receiving is terrible
He must be really desperate for money to take this
Cant have much self respect left or he would have told them to stuff it
So who is in charge now?
Or are the players doing what they like?
Something has to change and very quickly
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

26/06/2008 08:46:31
Not wishing to get involved in a fish-in-a-barrel type situation but sorry lads............get it sorted.

Do you genuinely think that you will get a manager of any repute?

honest question.
29

Munter,

Musselburgh 26/06/2008 08:48:21
There was a time when I would laugh uproariously at the predicament of the Yams but it's got beyond that now, it's embarrassing for them.
30

Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 08:55:10
#26

Sorry Vic but you cannot put Stevie Banks in charge of pre-season training for 30 professional footballers
(including himself)

So essentially we are left with NO-ONE to take training in one of the most crucial times of the season. Maybe take a week for a new manager to come in? By which time we'll have lost maybe 2 weeks and some clubs will be playing Intertoto by then.

More knee-jerk stuff from Vlad without considering the consequences.
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Vincent Vega,

26/06/2008 08:59:12
Seems that Vlad is drawing in the cash a wee bit further, this taken from the Daily Record.

"The Hearts owner planned to switch the contract with Mann's employers, Weber Shandwick, from an annual retainer to an hourly fee.

But the company baulked at the change and have become dismayed with Romanov's strategy of non-communication."
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 08:59:20
#30 irk, banks by himself or frail by himself, not a whole lot of difference. plus korobotchka is there.

lets just hope this means there is an end in sight to the manager search saga, a happy end.

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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 09:00:44
#31, daily record did you say?

righto.

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Vincent Vega,

26/06/2008 09:03:39
#33

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football-news/scottish-football/2008/06/26/shock-as-stevie-frail-is-sent-home-by-hearts-86908-20621476/
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 09:05:35
#32

Vic, Frail has years of coaching ability, Banks has none.

Korobochka is a c _ _ _

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26/06/2008 09:06:27
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Vincent Vega,

26/06/2008 09:06:34
Another interesting story in the Record, with Donald Ford saying Hearts will be lucky to avoid relegation.

Ford said: "Along with most Hearts supporters I can't think anything but that the team will finish in the bottom half of the table again and it will quite probably be a good achievement if we avoid relegation.

"Last year was awful and there have been no signs of improvement in terms of player personnel or management.

"We had a golf day for ex-Hearts and Hibs players at Baberton last weekend and even the old Easter Road boys were shaking their heads and saying what a mess our club is in.

"The situation is hard to stomach and not only is Romanov not being open he patently does not understand Scottish football or the way Hearts have tried to be honest with their supporters down the years.

Full story here

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2008/06/25/i-fear-hearts-will-be-fighting-relegation-next-term-warns-donald-ford-86908-20620220/
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 09:07:22
#35 I meant "experience", not "ability", of course.
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 09:11:59
#39,

"The are far too busy looking for missing full stops and comas to be bothered about trivial matters -no?"

this from the man who got picky with someone's spelling yesterday.

potkettleblack
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Who?,

26/06/2008 09:13:53
Do you think that charlie mann knows of some bad news that will be announced at the weekend and decided that he didn't want to be the messenger?

Hopefully Malofeev will not return- that is the worry. No doubt the guy is skulking around central/eastern europe looking for something to do. I wouldn't be suprised if he has a plane ticket to germany to oversee the training camp.

Pitty about Frail. While not ready for the managers job he has been loyal to the club and those that run it. The abuse he gets from some people is over the top, if Frail hadn't been around to take over in a caretaker role then god knows what would have happened last season.

Some people need to look long and hard in the mirror again!
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jdships,

26/06/2008 09:15:10
The "defending of the indefensible" by Hearts supporters is sorry to watch .
As an outsider one has to ask "Is there a viable future" for HofMFC ?
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Langenburger,

26/06/2008 09:17:07
Charlie Mann has probably destroyed whatever integrity he ever had during the last few years. There was never a truer example of "He who pays the piper calls the tune" and Charlie piped to the calls of his master. Atleast George Foulkes had the integrity to walk away.
We'll find out when Charlie's diaries or whatever get published.
I now wonder why Campbell is still working in the firm.
Using Talk 107 as an unofficial mouthpiece (with its close commercial linkage) will at least save Shandwicks fees and its where we will hear the "official" Hearts line.
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26/06/2008 09:17:23
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 09:19:29
#39

"Missing money"

Bit vague, no? Some would say a bit...."foggy".

Please elaborate for us deluded Yams.
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26/06/2008 09:21:48
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Lenny,

26/06/2008 09:23:16
Dont worry chaps, service will be resumed next season huh....

Seriously though, what the hell is going on at Tynecastle just now? Is Romanov now just seeing how much the Hearts fans will take. This could well be a Russian Big Brother style experiment, seeing how long it takes to dismantle a football club.
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26/06/2008 09:25:07
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CBJambo,

26/06/2008 09:27:23
Frail being ordered to stay away from Riccarton without explanation is disgusting.

The way Romanov treats his employees is despicable.

Reports suggest that Frail's demeanour has been the reason he has been sent home, but can you blame the guy for being a bit on the negative side... kept waiting for weeks on end to know if he'll be staying or not. I feel sorry for Frail, very sorry. The man has done everything he can for Hearts and although is not the man to take the club forward as a manager... he is a good coach and valuable servant to the club.

Every youth player that has come through the ranks has had Frail to thank for his progression and not one of the mad one's eastern european muppets are anywhere near as good a coach as he is.

People said yesterday that Mann leaving was a pivotal day... Frail today is worse and I fully expect to see Ogilvie out the door next.

I know I sound all doom and gloom ... but I seriously fear we are as a club on the road to oblivion with mad vlad.

Very sorry to see you go Stevie... you will be missed by those who give a damn!
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 09:29:49
#47

No smog here but you need to learn that you cannot put about phrases like "missing money" without elaborating.

That would be a serious accusation and I trust you are supplying the relevant authorities with all the proof you hold.

Apart from that, no delusion here....we're f****** but i'll discuss it with other Hearts fans, not a bunch of wind-up merchants on here.
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26/06/2008 09:32:19
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 09:33:26
#52 CBJ,

"Very sorry to see you go Stevie... you will be missed by those who give a damn!"

i can see that you do give a damn, fair dos.

i can't wait to see the back of him personally, and i can assure you that i too give a bloody damn.

we all have different opinions but those opinions don't make any of us better or bigger hearts fans than someone else.

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26/06/2008 09:33:34
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26/06/2008 09:35:01
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 09:38:52
#56 TT: what do you suggest the football authorities do about it?

Did they intervene when Celtic openly allowed supporters to raise money for the IRA and allowed a culture of pro-IRA support amongst their support? Did they intervene when Rangers refused to sign catholics?

As long as people are paid then they can have very little complaint at their treatment by Vlad. The decision to get rid of Mann was done fairly at the end of a contract.

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CBJambo,

26/06/2008 09:42:03
#57

Never claimed to be a 'better' or 'bigger' fan thany any Hearts supporter out there.

The team are in my blood... my great grandfather worked for Hearts, my grandfather was club secretary for 10 years and my father and uncle worked there and were ball boys too!

Myself i've never been involved with Hearts... just a ST holder no more.

However if you honestly think (regardless of your opinion on the mans abilities) that the way Stevie Frail has been treated is acceptable from a club like Hearts then you need to take a long hard look at yourself!

I suppose you wanted the 'Riccarton Three' out as well?!

Every other club in the spl manages to go about their business and treat their employees with respect... the circus at Tynecastle disgusts me and it should you too!
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 09:44:53
Vic, your attitude towards Frail is a bit poor, IMO.

Yeah, he was a puppet but now he's gone, he'll be replaced by another puppet with no chance of creating a winning team

Frail is NOT the problem here.
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Glorious Hearts,

26/06/2008 09:51:22
What a bunch of drama queens!
Mann's company is leaving as there's nothing for them to do. Listen to him on Talk107 tomorrow night and you'll hear for yourselves.

Seriously, the reaction to every story from certain people is pathetic.
TimTimmy!
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26/06/2008 09:51:40
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Langenburger,

26/06/2008 09:52:38
#51
I agree with your post but it will not be a clean end strategy, and "frying pan and fire" come to mind because he probably still believes it will turn for the good.
He'll be searching for a way to offload it all minimising the hit and maintaining his ego but its not a friendly market place right now.
One day this will all make great reading and probably a tv series too.
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26/06/2008 09:54:42
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 09:56:43
#62, i've said that frail has been treated badly, i'm not going to deny that. it's partly because of that that i'm severely hacked off that he hung about the scene at hearts instead of getting off his butt to get himself a real job where he could take responsibility for his own actions. he was on a cushy number at hearts where he was always going to be portrayed as the plucky underdog, slaving away against the odds, and i'm sure he damn well knew that.

if frail received such disgusting treatment, the question should be why didn't he do something about it himself? i say the answer is that he simply wanted to continue drawing a good wage from hearts for doing the sham job that he was in.

i appreciate you didn't claim to be a better hearts fan that anyone else but wishing frail all the best from those who give a damn by implication suggests that those who are glad to see him go do not give a damn.

we all want to see hearts in a better state, regardless of our take on certain things.

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Grierson_Green,

Leith 26/06/2008 09:58:00
#56

what has the scottish football authorities got to do with this.

It was HOMFC supporters hatred of Robinson that they wanted anyone in to replace him without checking them out first. Suddenly your 'saviour' won a few games and he was god. Supporters got on thier high horse about being Scootish, European and world champions and treated other Scottish club supporters like subordinates.
Don't start blaming anyone else for the situation HOMFC is in - its all hearts and their supporters fault. You dug your own grave - lie in it.
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 10:03:58
#72, #56 is not a hearts fan, nothing could be further from the truth. he's a trouble making, hearts hating troll.

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Maroon tinted glasses,

26/06/2008 10:11:13
What a disgrace, he may not have been a great first team coach BUT he is a good servant to a club that he/we all love and for him to be treated in this disrespectfull way is disgusting. His job has been difficult to say the least and i for one would have been happy if he hadnt been in the dugout at the start of the season but to maybe accomodate him in another way within the club setup. Even if there is another coach in the pipeline with his own team SF should not be treated this way.

i am so happy i didnt renew my ST and i only hope those that did enjoy looking into the dugout at malofeev every other saturday.

I was going to choose the games i attended this season and am aware it would have eventually cost me more in the longrun BUT now im not sure.

once again i ask WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF ALL THESE FANS GROUPS ARE DOING, i for one wouldnt know where to start re protesting ect but i would certainly "show and shout" and feel i have already started to protest by witholding my cash.
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Lenny,

26/06/2008 10:12:46
Where is Catholic Jambo to give us the good spin and to tell us Hibees that we are officially bricking it? He is already making predictions about Hearts finishing above Hibs. This without knowing who the Hearts manager will be and what players will be bought / sold from either team.

Blindly loyal or just completely stupid?
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 10:12:56
Tart And Pimp In 'Ell - you still don't actually know what a luddite is do you?

My, we are blessed to have such an intellect shine down upon us. Any more brilliant insights from the business guru today?

And I still can't get a round of golf down under about two hours - how can I cut that final hour and a half off to hit your 20-minute record? Or does that only work in fantasy golf?
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CBJambo,

26/06/2008 10:13:57
#71

Maybe Frail didn't leave because he had nowhere to go?
Or maybe because he liked his job?
Maybe he let his heart rule his head?
Maybe regardless of how badly he is treated by the management it does not diminish his feeling for the club and its supporters and he wants to stay there to do his all to help?

Nobody walks out on their job unless they have something else in the pipeline... nobody with a mortgage and a family that is.

It was only a few weeks ago we were told that Hearts were going to pay for his coaching badges... yet another reason to stay and a massive vote of confidence from the club.

This is all Romanov... he is playing Subbuteo with Hearts and from far away in his Lithuanian stronghold he seldom sees or feels the repercussions!
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 10:20:58
#77, yes indeed, many maybes. what is certain is that the choice was his and his alone to stay or go.

the uefa pro license thing could well be construed as another peripheral reason why he's been hanging about.

it's all ifs, buts and maybes but did we really want or need someone who was only loitering around to get his complimentary coaching badges?

we could go round in circles about this all day long so we will just have to accept that there are differing opinions on this, both equally valid.

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CBJambo,

26/06/2008 10:25:39
#78

I'll agree to disagree with you... but Frail was hardly loitering around and will be missed by a lot of the players who i doubt would have missed Bothcup if he had gone?!
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 10:32:06
#79, fair enough we have probably taken this to it's conclusion.

for the benefit of the crazy gang, the above exchange between CBJambo and myself is an example of free speech and open debate. two people with directly opposing views discussing the relevant topic of the day.

this is what adults call debate, think about it during play break.

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CBJambo,

26/06/2008 10:32:42
#80

Nice one.
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Langenburger,

26/06/2008 10:35:41
#77
No matter where he is based he feels every repercussion because increasingly they are financial
He knows the real season ticket sales number (I'd guess it is lower than what we've been fed)
He knows the debt is unserviceable and how it continues to grow every day - even if you own a bank you don't get to take risks
He knows his plan doesn't look like working and the climate is going to get tougher in the short term
He is looking for a lucky bounce or a way out.
Unlike Northern Rock Mr Darling will not step in
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 10:36:47
#80 - and I wonder who that could possibly have been directed at?

Hmmm.

Personally I thought 'open debate' was all about making outrageous allegations and then refusing to back them up, and then complaining to the Moderators when we saw something that didn't match my own twisted view of the world?
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 10:38:43
#83 RPC, it is to some mate, it is to some.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 10:44:47
True, true.

Looks like a couple of 'squeaky bum' days coming up, but I'm not going to look for portents of doom until we see some facts. Not FACTS, facts.
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 10:45:17
#83

Rod Petrie eats babies.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 10:49:55
Bl00dy 'ell IRK - you've said it on the Scotsman forums and not backed it up with anything, so it must be a FACT.

Despicable that high-ranking officials in Edinburgh's flair football team are allowed to treat babies like taht.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 10:51:31
Sorry, that not taht.

It's the new away strip that's taht......

I also heard that the bricks in the 'buy a brick' campaign are actually made of cocaine and are an elaborate cover for a worldwide smuggling ring.
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 10:52:37
#87

I couldn;t believe it either but i've scanned the accounts and nowhere does Petrie deny devouring babies. I also emailed Hibs and they catagorically refused to answer my question - that's as good as a confession in my book.

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Born Again Christian Fan,

26/06/2008 10:52:39
As Charlie Mann has discovered and as the Bible states:

"The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell."

Ecclesiasticus (ch. XXI, v. 10)
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 10:56:02
#88 Old news, Roscoe, old news.

Latest I heard from a guy down the road 'what works in a bank' is that Tom Farmer kept the Scott Brown money and used it to build a 100-foot statue of Jesus in his garden made from tyres.

"It will be better than that one in Brazil", Sir Tom almost said.

"We taught the Brazilians how to build massive Jesus statues", said Hibs season ticket holder and raconteur, Lenny.
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 10:57:45
#91 irk, nice yin.

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Lenny,

26/06/2008 11:08:05
Rod Petrie does NOT eat babies. It is a completely disgraceful thing to say and of course a lot of nonsense.

Petrie actually steals babies and sells them to the Old Firm.
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The Falcon,

26/06/2008 11:14:47
#74 MTG
WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF ALL THESE FANS GROUPS DOING ?

Think you're the only one talking sense here.
At the end of the day, Football Clubs are for the fans, so you either stand up and be counted now or this club will die.

HFC and Aberdeen fans proved it in the past, and HMFC fans had better act now or a past is all they will have.

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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 11:16:41
Nice one Lenny!

Can't get the image of a tyre-based Jesus out of my head though, standing on the corner of ER with it's arms open wide welcoming the multitudes....

Or David Murry having "a baby piece". With jam as well.
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Indy Rep Kid,

26/06/2008 11:20:16
#96 Don't start me on that David Murray character.

Or "The Man in the Paris Tunnel", as MI5 call him.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 11:22:18
Jeezo Riley, are you feeling OK?

That was almost a balanced post, with no petty jibes or wind-up attempts.

I'm starting to question my views on the world now.....
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Maroon tinted glasses,

26/06/2008 11:23:45
yep and not a HEEEE HAW or MUCHACHO in sight

Its a clone or an imposter
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Leithjambo,

Restalrig 26/06/2008 11:26:31
#90 BACF

Id put Romanov in the seventh circle of hell, with the liars and the falsifiers.
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Leithjambo,

Restalrig 26/06/2008 11:28:44
#91 IRK

HA HA HA

Thats really cheerd me up
Top class humour my son
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petegeneva,

geneva 26/06/2008 11:32:24
#87 I am a baby and I like to be eaten by Uncle Rod.
FACT.
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Roscoe P Coltrane,

26/06/2008 11:35:16
And he's back in the room......

Sincere apologies for suggesting you weren't a paranoid fantasist with an unhealthy obsession for a rival team and a complete lack of self-awareness, those were completely unsubstantiated rumours and, besides, I was misquoted.
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 11:35:55
#105, it has become apparent to me lately that you've lost the plot.

the fast show character you're on about agrees with everyone for the sake or agreeing, probably the exact opposite of the debate CBJ and i had today.

i have absolutely no idea how you come to a conclusion like that, and to be honest i really don't want to know.

instead of spouting confused drivel about others, how about joining in some meaningful debate yourself?

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Lenny,

26/06/2008 11:38:32
Indy Rep Kid # 91

: ) Very good mate. You have your facts a little mixed up though. Hibs actually invented Jesus. The Bible is basically an old school version of the Acid House. I think one or two people may have taken some of the short stories the wrong way though and incredibly decided to base their whole outlook on life on the book.
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victorian of gorgie ,

26/06/2008 11:41:13
#111 lenny, dunno about acid house but sometimes i think the mad biley is playing out a real life version of the maribou stork nightmares.

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thistle do,

here n' there 26/06/2008 11:44:23
The venerable Vlad knows what he is doing. This man of vision, integrity, wealth and honour has the best interst close to his heart. The milk of human kindness flows through his veins. We are not worthy of such a leader. As soon as his bank opens I'll be right there with all my savings. Who would you rather trust RBS, HBOS or the mighty Vlad. Lead on o Great One. For only a great one could so effectively con the supporters of this once fine football institution. You got what you deserve.
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Jamboy,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 11:45:19
So...

As I am just fumbling around in the dark here