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Published Date: 15 October 2008
As the supporters see it...
ABERDEEN

WHEN Jimmy Calderwood said "As for the fans, one problem we have is that some of them still think we should be up there with the giants", it was probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said about Kilmarnock and Hamilton
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For, beyond the anger and frustration of a support whose side is on the second longest losing streak in its history and propping up the SPL, there's a degree of relative calmness amongst Reds. We've been through enough of these slumps to know we'll eventually come out of it and we're still only six points away from where we expect to be come May.

However, that after five years our manager can be so ignorant about his own fans' expectations, only underlines why, for many, even winning will not be enough to save him.

All we've ever wanted is a side we can go into work on Monday and brag about, not the dysfunctional rabble we've had to date. If Calderwood fails to grasp this, then like three of his four predecessors he should expect to be 'Mutually Consented' come November.

Mark Alexander
www.aberdeen-mad.co.uk

CELTIC


A SCOTTISH team returns to Manchester for the first time since May and again there could be scenes of devastation.

However, with Celtic's Jekyll and Hyde start to the season, coupled with the fact that it is a Champions League away game, any devastation is likely to be confined to the pitch this time.

Our previous outing against Villarreal showed spells of good possession and we appeared to limit their chances to shots from distance; which, apart from one set-piece, the roly poly goalie dealt with easily. Unfortunately, we only troubled their keeper once in the 90 minutes.

That ratio of chances to minutes is not going to secure us that elusive away win.

But hey, ever the optimist, that run must end sometime. Mustn't it?

Naka with a cracka and Skippy to give it welly with the belly before big Mick punches the ball into his own net to set up a tense last five minutes and a famous 2-1 win!

Dave Devine

DUNDEE UNITED


FIRSTLY, everyone at Dundee United-Mad would like to extend their sympathy and best wishes to the Thompson family after the tragic and untimely death of Eddie's son-in-law Ken Mitchell. Coupled with Eddie Thompson's continued battle with his own illness it certainly puts football in perspective.

With Saturday's trip to Ibrox being refereed by Craig Thomson (hopefully not with Kenny Clark and Mike McCurry running the lines!), we can but hope for a level playing field this time round after some of the atrocious decisions of last season. I would've much preferred to have gone to Ibrox hot on the heels of our win over ICT and Rangers' shock loss to St Mirren, but we had to take a week off to watch our World Cup dreams shatter.

In an ideal world, Kris Boyd would rule himself out at club level, too, given his love of scoring against United.

I'd settle for a spirited performance but a lot hinges on our midfield and how well they perform on the day. Nervous but quietly optimistic.

Hamish Mackintosh
www.dundeeunited-mad.co.uk

FALKIRK


WITH my alternative navy blue fix letting me down at Hampden on Saturday, my faith in the glorious game was rekindled on Sunday as I took in the Falkirk U-19 SFA Youth Cup game against Spartans.

The 6-0 scoreline hardly flattered the young Bairns who gave a textbook display of the total football John Hughes aspires to for the club at all levels. Of course, the man who makes that desire a reality is former player Eddie May who has developed into a coach of distinction and he is a vital part of the overall masterplan for Falkirk to produce youth of the highest quality. Hat-trick hero Paul Sludden scores for fun, while in midfield we have unearthed another dynamo in Ashley Young and attacking full-back Erik Shultz-Eklund is growing with every game. The future for the Bairns looks good.

The first team face a vital ten days that could shape the season for us. First Aberdeen at home followed by the League Cup quarter-final with Inverness and then the league trip to Killie. It could be epic.

Brian Guthrie
www.bairnstrust.com

HAMILTON ACCIES


THANKFULLY the international break is nearly over. Another disappointing Scotland result and another Rangers player retires from national duty. More of the same old same old.

This Saturday, Accies need to get back on track with a win at home to St Mirren. Fair play to the men from Paisley, they recorded a cracking home win against Rangers last time out while we were humiliated by the other half of the Old Firm. Maybe the break will have ebbed away any momentum for Gus MacPherson's men!

Hopefully Billy Reid can get to grips with our problem right-back slot (with Casement or McClenahan, both recent signings and both right-backs, likely to be given a chance to show what they can do) and up front we decide on a pairing that will deliver goals. Also, look for a storming performance from young James McCarthy to silence the St Mirren boo boys who have been overly enthusiastic in their abuse for the lad recently due to his reluctance to swap Republic of Ireland for Scotland.

Mark Falconer
www.setbb.com/acciesworld

HEARTS


SO, IT'S the big one on Sunday. While a sad reflection on our current squad, the relatively minimal involvement in international fixtures should mean minds have been focused solely on the task at hand.

It will be a tough game for our young team, but often the best derby results are achieved when least expected. Hibs seem to have hit a bit of form, no doubt inspired by the return of Riordan. Hopefully some of our own flair players can turn it on, although a victory in any shape will do me.

I suppose us Hearts fans should just be glad the club is still in existence to play this game. Since Romanov's arrival, and especially since the credit crunch hit the mainstream, it's remarkable how many financial experts have come out of the woodwork.

Somehow, in the face of intense rumour, we survived last week without going into administration, despite the national guard apparently being summoned to quell impending riots at Tynecastle on Friday. Come to think of it, shouldn't the stadium have been turned into flats by now?

Sandy Leonard
www.jamboskickback.co.uk

HIBERNIAN


ONLY a few days until the first derby of the season and it's one that everyone should be looking forward to. With the game live on the telly, both teams will be looking to claim the honours and it's sure to be a blood and thunder occasion if not a footballing spectacle.

Neither team are setting the heather on fire of late, though both are scraping the odd win here and there to keep themselves in the top half of the table, but with home advantage, Hibs will be looking to claim the three points this time around. We certainly seem to have more attacking options and with Derek Riordan getting fitter and finding his shooting boots, Steven Fletcher looking hungry and Colin Nish always a threat, most Hibs fans are reasonably confident that we will find the net and often on Sunday.

Whether we can hold it together in midfield is another matter. We are still searching for a formation that will work. Get that right and there will be dancing in the green streets of Leith on Sunday evening!

Eddie Henderson
www.hibs.net

INVERNESS CT


THE SPL break gave us a chance to reflect on the season so far and the question whether we are better or worse than last season. Bearing in mind we haven't played the big two yet, after eight games we are only four points better off. From what we've seen on the park, we believe the team are better than last season but only slightly.

Many had grave fears for us this season and these fears, although allayed at the moment, may still return. Our next three games are against Celtic (h), Motherwell (h) and Rangers (a). Brewster's tactics and his hooking (and dropping) of players for 'non tactical' reasons is a big worry.

Our defence continues to make silly errors which have cost us goals and our strikers are finding it hard to find the back of the net. We do have new faces in the team from last season and it will take time for them to gel. After eight games, though, we should be seeing some reward. Maybe that will come on Saturday.

Dave 'Gringo' Wilson
www.caleythistleonline.com

KILMARNOCK


DESPITE there being no first-team fixture last week, the Killie fans still had the chance to shout on the mighty on Sunday. Our Under-19 team travelled down to Ayr to take on our seaside rivals in the youth cup, and quite a few fans made the trip following rumours that it could be our last chance to ever see a derby fixture at Somerset before it is torn down.

The local newspapers were advertising the fixture as Ayr fans' final chance to see them put Killie out of a cup at their home ground, but the boys in blue and white (well, purple actually) had the last laugh with a penalty shoot out win after a 2-2 draw. It must have been a novelty for a whole new generation of Killie fans who have only known SPL and European football to see some of the veterans get excited about a trip to a ground that should have been knocked down years ago, but some of us can remember when Ayr United could actually give us a game.

It's about time they got their act together so we can have a real Ayrshire derby back.

Barry Richmond
www.killiefc.com

MOTHERWELL


AFTER the latest international break, we resume domestic football at Rugby Park this Saturday. While neither Motherwell or Kilmarnock can claim to be giants of the Scottish game, they are both respectable clubs and the clashes at Rugby Park frequently throw up games to remember.

The best memory arguably came way back in 1996 when both sides were struggling against the drop. A wonderful hat-trick from Tommy Coyne, including a delightful chip from 35 yards for the last goal, gave us a 4-2 win and eased the relegation worries, albeit briefly. Another high-scoring success came in August 2002 when Terry Butcher's young side recorded their first win of what turned out to be a difficult campaign. Dougie Ramsey, Stephen Pearson and James McFadden scored in a 3-0 win, with three home dismissals adding to the fun.

Killie are a much tougher prospect now than last season but we know another victory will really get us back in the hunt for Europe.

Derek Wilson
www.firparkcorner.com

RANGERS


WITH no SPL fixtures, attention centred on the 2008 agm at Ibrox. This occasion provides a rare opportunity for supporters to question the Rangers Club Board and peek into the boardroom mindset.

Since 2003 the Q&A session gets shorter each year and this time John McClelland attempted to bring proceedings to a halt after barely 35 minutes. After a bit of people power was exercised, Sir David over-ruled him and on we went for an hour.

Most media attention centred on a subject the chairman returned to three times: his strange reluctance to deal with unreasonable criticism of the club and support and instead attack 'bile' posted on the internet. It appears Sir David prefers unity rather than taking issue with those trashing the club's reputation and caricaturing Rangers supporters as bigoted thugs.

Hopefully Dundee United's visit on Saturday won't feature either major refereeing errors or a subsequent witchhunt.

Stephen Smith
www.theRST.co.uk

ST MIRREN


THE international break has given me an extra week in which to bask in the glory of the superb win over Rangers.

I've lost count of the number of times I've seen Stephen McGinn's goal, and the media coverage of the match was better than normal. It was almost as if we were a Third Division side that had knocked Rangers out of the cup, rather than an SPL team taking three points. The break has also given me a chance to look at the result in the cold light of day. It was a superb win and three much needed points. However, that's all it was – three points. We need to build on this result and get some more wins on the board, starting with Saturday against Hamilton, and get ourselves up the table a bit. Time will tell if this result is the start of something or just papering over the cracks.

It was good to see our former player Chris Iwelumo making his Scotland debut on Saturday. He left us a decade ago, but it seems he learned from the strikers we had then what to do when presented with an open goal.

Stuart Gillespie
www.saintmirren-mad.co.uk




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Exiled in Sydney,

15/10/2008 03:07:56
What Murray said was as correct as it was needed. Some fans do drag the club down and seem to revel in doing it. Also if i remember right then he defended the vast majority of rangers fans in the same session and made great efforts to distance them from those he was talking about.

The people trashing the clubs reputation are using those fans that Murray was talking about to do it so unless Mr Smith believes himself to be one of those people he should stop being so touchy.

Speaking as a fan who doesn't class himself as one of those people I can only say I completely agree with the chariman.
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Boyne Bhoy,

15/10/2008 08:46:13
Well said sir!
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dublinH.F.C.,

DUBLIN 15/10/2008 09:11:05
What a Balloon the hearts boy is "financial Experts" "Riots at Gorgie", "turned into flats"

The whole of that "Article" is worrying about what the big bad Hibs fans think. Never mind what hibs fans think of your team, start worrying about what our players will do to you on Sunday!!!

3-0 HIBEES

GGTTH
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invictager,

Kent 15/10/2008 09:15:38
Not actually mentioned in the above comments but I see Motherwell have announced plans to cut prices and let youngsters in for free.

Should be congratulated for that.
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The Equaliser,

15/10/2008 09:15:51
1 Exiled

Being exiled in Sydney you clearly don't see, hear or read the unprecedented attacks on all things Rangers here in Scotland these days.

Critiscm where critiscm is due should be the way but the concern for Rangers fans is their open demonisiation by all sections of the media to the exclusion of all others.

Perhaps Devine in the Celtic section should refrain from reference to devastation in Manchester in May so lightly as it may be offensive to the people of Manchester when they are subjected to those folk tunes celebrating the same mob who bombed their Arndale Shopping Centre.

But hey, thats just the craic.
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GersFanOfFitba,

15/10/2008 09:16:59
I've just heard that Dundee Utd chairman Eddie Thompson has died.

I'd like to be the first to extend my sympathies to his family, and also to fans of United.

RIP Eddie.
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GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

15/10/2008 10:23:45
#3 I think the balloons are the many Hibs fans, very probably including yourself, who spread, believed or rejoiced in the totally false rumours of Hearts going into admin (again).
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G,

dundy 15/10/2008 10:36:08
I'm hoping that Boyd plays for the gers, comes on all fired up and gets red carded for thumping one of his own players when they fail to pass a ball inside his 1 metre action zone.....
BTW God bless Eddie Thompson, a good man and a great chairman - he'll be missed....
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dublinH.F.C.,

DUBLIN 15/10/2008 11:09:01
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A demolision derby will do for me.....then we can talk about the admin side of thinigs after that....


3-0 hibees, Jones, Riordan, Riordan

GGTTH
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Weel Kent Jambo,

15/10/2008 11:27:17
#9 = Ah, you mean demolition derby. Sorry, but we hold the copyright on that these days. Writer of the Hearts' piece is totally right to poke at fun at pundits such as you. And belive me, we don't worry one tiny wee little bit about the gash spouted on these forums on that subject by the Hobonomic experts.

#6 Agree with your sentiments.
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15/10/2008 22:04:32
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stefano,

Birmingham 16/10/2008 09:51:59
Pax Vobiscum (no irony in that name, eh?)

"Celtic fans sing fondly of brave men who fought against terrorists in Ireland. The Boys of the Old Brigade came from hills and glens, often armed only with sticks, to fight the barbaric British thugs who murdered & maimed thousands of innocent men, women, and children. God Bless these brave men."

So who are TGFITW referring to when they chant 'P-PI-PIRA!'

I'm guessing the Provisionals who bombed the Manchester Arndale and committed sectarian atrocities too many to list here.

People like you are truly nauseating; any decent Celtic fan should be embarrassed that apologists for murder like you are part of their tribe.

Have a word with yourself.
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stefano,

feckenham 16/10/2008 10:02:58
#1 exiled in Sydney.

I think you've missed Smith's point, which was that defending the club and support against unreasonable criticism and isolating the half-wits aren't mutually exclusive.

I was th the meeting and Mr Murray was gven three opportunities to say what, if anything, he was going to do.

Each time he answered he made it clear that he saw the problem as one of our own creation, which for some reason refuses to recognise the like of Graham Spiers, Hugh Keevins, Gerry McNee and half a dozen others who have a clear anti-Rangers agenda.

That the club continues to do nothing about these parasites is either negligent or cowardly, and the moronic behaviour of a section of the Rangers support is a poor excuse for letting these clowns write or sayanything they like.

All we have to do is look at what Lawwell and Reid do, and ask ourselves why a mob who, for instance, took half the number of fans to Barcelona and saw 64 arrests to our none, are portrayed in the media as fun-loving cuddly craicsters?

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Sláine,

16/10/2008 11:02:23
#1 - Good post, realistic and full of constructive criticism, not to mention the unequivocal condemnation of the neanderthals that are a blight on the Scottish football system and certain elements of modern Scottish society...

...personally speaking, murray was right on the money, just take a look at the streams on justin tv, check out the chat room, full of bams (on both sides I might add) who think it's funny to spew some of the most disgusting and reprehensible bile I've ever had the displeasure to witness...

...#5 destabiliser - "the unprecedented attacks on all things Rangers here in Scotland" - you jest surely!...

...or do you actually believe that the very twisted and obvious bias of the meedjah in Scotland is AGAINST RFC?...

...e.g. thousands of follow-followers scream sectarian abuse, sing racist songs and make personal attacks on a certain player for 90 minutes long - nothing reported!...

...Said player makes one gesture at the end of the match - Headline news in all the papers demanding that he be made an example of!...

...You need help, but hey, that's what happens when decades of implicit silence about the disgusting attitudes and prejudices found amongst a great deal of your support is broken...

...when the tacit acceptance of the 'we arra peepul' supremacist ideal is slowly but surely eroded and becomes an embarrassment and hinderance which is no longer acceptable to the rest of society...

...this is only just the beginning...

...the hilarious thing about it is that the catalyst for the current condemnation of the peepul generally regarded as the most sickening bunch of sectarian and bigoted animals in the history of Scottish football, is one created by none other than an offensive and thoroughly reprehensible element of your own support...

...bet TFS doesn't seem half as funny or witty now does it?...

...As ye sow, so shall ye reap.......
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stefano,

Birmingham 16/10/2008 12:52:28
Slaine, #15 - You describe Rangers fans as "the most sickening bunch of sectarian and bigoted animals in the history of Scottish football".

You don't really do irony very well, do you?

The complete inability to see that actions of TGFITW could be viewed as anything other than righteous, is why you'll never be taken seriously.

Take Pax Vobiscum's 'the Ira urny sectarian' mantra outlined above. Most decent-minded people are appalled by this sort of double-speak.

Until you and yours are prepared to face up to the truth rather than the myth, we'll get precisely nowhere.
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Sláine,

16/10/2008 13:51:08
#16 - Aaaaahhh, the old 'selective contextual editing' trick...

...what I actually said was...

"...the hilarious thing about it is that the catalyst for the current condemnation of the peepul generally regarded as the most sickening bunch of sectarian and bigoted animals in the history of Scottish football, is one created by none other than an offensive and thoroughly reprehensible element of your own support..."

...facts are a wonderful thing, you should try sticking to them...

...No mention of Rangers fans in general, rather explicit mention of 'an offensive and thoroughly reprehensible element'...

..."The complete inability to see that actions of TGFITW could be viewed as anything other than righteous, is why you'll never be taken seriously" - demonstrates that you know nothing about me, I am one of the most critical of the Neds that exist at both clubs...

..."Take Pax Vobiscum's 'the Ira urny sectarian' mantra outlined above. Most decent-minded people are appalled by this sort of double-speak" - I can find no mention of the IRA in PV's post, only a reference to the song 'Boys of the old Brigade', which in itself makes no reference to a specific people or religion but refers instead to 'a foe'...

...unlike the delightful ditties sung by an element of your own support, (to the continual despair and frustration of your club), which include references to the expulsion of Irish people and people of Irish descent, and the specific reference to the joys of violently murdering those of the Catholic faith, and even fornicating with the head of that faith...

...tricky b\/ggers them facts aren't they?.......
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stefano,

Birmingham 16/10/2008 14:07:02
tricky b\/ggers them facts aren't they?@

Indeed they are.

Take your 'I can find no mention of the IRA in PV's post, only a reference to the song 'Boys of the old Brigade', which in itself makes no reference to a specific people or religion but refers instead to 'a foe''

Perhaps your memory is faulty, because the song has this line 'being just a lad like you, I joined the IRA'?

Maybe you just missed that.


As for your 'references to the expulsion of Irish people and people of Irish descent', you seem to forget that many of those singing TFS are themselves of Irish descent. The songs is aimed at Scots Sellik fans and no amount of squealing about 'racism' will change that.

I presume you mean 'Roman Catholic', but maybe you can enlight me which songs refer to(your words) "the joy of violently murdering those of the Catholic faith'?????


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Sláine,

16/10/2008 14:57:02
#18 - Okay, last exchange with you as you obviously have no interest in informed debate and have a blind spot with regards to facts...

..."Take your 'I can find no mention of the IRA in PV's post, only a reference to the song 'Boys of the old Brigade', which in itself makes no reference to a specific people or religion but refers instead to 'a foe''

Perhaps your memory is faulty, because the song has this line 'being just a lad like you, I joined the IRA'?

Maybe you just missed that"...

...The relevant excerpt being; 'which in itself makes no reference to a specific people or religion but refers instead to 'a foe' - In that song there is no reference to British, English or Protestant, the line used is -

"'T wasn’t long ago we faced a foe,
The old brigade and me,
And by my side they fought and died
That Ireland might be free"

if you carefully read PV's post again you will see that there is absolutely no direct reference to the IRA in his post...

..."As for your 'references to the expulsion of Irish people and people of Irish descent', you seem to forget that many of those singing TFS are themselves of Irish descent. The songs is aimed at Scots Sellik fans and no amount of squealing about 'racism' will change that"...

...Are you for real? By your logic the song is not racist because it's sung at Celtic fans? How do you explain the following?...

"From Ireland they came
Brought us nothing but trouble and shame
Well the famine is over
Why don't they go home" - Can't possibly be talking about Celtic fans, at the time of the famine (1845 - 1851), Neither Celtic or Rangers football club even existed!

"Their evils seeds have been sown
Cause they're not of our own
Well the famine is over
Why don't you go home" - Can't possibly be talking about Celtic fans as you yourself say it is aimed at Scots, yet the lyric states 'Cause they're not of our own' and as demonstrated in the first verse of the song refers directly to the Irish!...

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Sláine,

16/10/2008 15:04:48
Finally " I presume you mean 'Roman Catholic', but maybe you can enlight me which songs refer to(your words) "the joy of violently murdering those of the Catholic faith'?????"...

..."We're up to our knees in F*n*an blood, surrender or you'll die" implies revelling in spilling F*n*an blood and the intent to murder at the failure to surrender...

...You have tried to excuse/deny the most vile songs and anti Irish attitudes within an element of your own support, sadly the excuses and denials are the same pathetic sound bites used by the RST and Follow-Follow. You fail to follow the debate and formulate your own (original) responses...

...the most disturbing of all is that you obviously believe the dogma you have recited here and blindly refuse to acknowledge or analyse true facts.......
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paulmac,

surrey 16/10/2008 15:38:00
Slaine...

If we follow Stefans process of thought.....then it would follow that it would be wrong to condemn the KKK or the BNP or the NF....

Only a Rangers fan could believe that condemnation is the crime and not the subject or group you are critisising...
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Sláine,

16/10/2008 15:42:06
Paulmac - There's none so blind as cannot see.......
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Sláine,

16/10/2008 15:51:54
I quite enjoyed this one as well...

..."You don't really do irony very well, do you?"...

...Not sure he's quite grasped the concept of Irony...

..."Each time he answered he made it clear that he saw the problem as one of our own creation, which for some reason refuses to recognise the like of Graham Spiers, Hugh Keevins, Gerry McNee and half a dozen others who have a clear anti-Rangers agenda.

That the club continues to do nothing about these parasites is either negligent or cowardly, and the moronic behaviour of a section of the Rangers support is a poor excuse for letting these clowns write or sayanything they like"...

...Hhhhmmmm, how to explain it?...

...Achh, why bother.......
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Bemused and above it all,

17/10/2008 10:47:51
From the evidence on show there is only one lot of sad bigots on display today.

FTQ? Pro-IRA chants, a song which mentions membership of the IRA played at the ground as part of the pre-match entertainment, arressts away from home in the CL greater than the number of arressts in the manchester debacle, yet all these brushed under the carpet with a 'you lot hate catholics' line. FFS, its that sort of stupid counter arguement which is seriously annoying the MAJORITY of the rangers support, we are tarred with the same brush as a handful yet demonised beyond belief.
As for the 'anti-catholic' signing policy, please go back to Bill Struth & Jock Wallaces comments, 'there was no point, we were actively blocked from approaching any of the youngsters from Catholic Schools, even when we did manage we were rejected, we had to focus elsewhere' So given that wee snippet from 2 Rangers managers saying that essentially Catholic institutions blocked attempts to sign Catholic players, who was responsible for the signing policy?
Additionally, remind me why Mo Johnston couldnt come to glasgow to take part in a CHARITY MATCH? Which support made death threats (not for the first or last time against a catholic with the cheek to play for rangers)? But hey its all a joke, but call Boruc a fat plum & it's sectarian and racist cos he's a polish catholic!FFS!
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stefano,

Birmingham 17/10/2008 15:38:34
Slaine, paul and pax, more twists and turns than a curly-wurly. No amount of wriggling escapes the fact that Boys Of The Old Brigade is about the IRA and I note you didn't address the point about TGFITW singing in praise of the Provos.

Tims and facts........

Quoting the lyrics of a song is fine, but unfortunately for you I've never heard it sung by Rangers fans.

And you appear to believe that the word 'fen1an' means 'Roman Catholic'.

You see how easy it is?

Just look at the facts and empirical evidence, rather than wishful thinking which paints your mob as saints and my lot as sinners.

It is beyond tiresome.

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Dabulamanzi,

21/10/2008 07:00:48
Pax vobiscum. Vobi scum? More like bigoted scum. You have posted on here before declaring that the word "fen*an" does not mean catholic or is sectarian You also posted that you are proud to be called a "fen*an". So what's changed? I have said on here before, it was celtc that had the sectarian signing policy: 90% of celtc's playing staff were catholic in a country where they make up 15% of the population

 

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