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Hibs 0-0 Rangers: Easter Road stalemate leaves Rangers with it all to do



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Published Date: 05 May 2008
RANGERS' destiny in the SPL title race remains in their own hands this morning, but their grip of it is considerably less sure. The margin of error available to the Ibrox team as they attempt to turn their matches in hand on Celtic into a championship-winning position was effectively reduced to nil by this goalless draw against Hibs.
Walter Smith's men have now dropped ten points in their last four league games and are without a win on SPL business since they defeated Celtic 1-0 in Govan back on 29 March. Victory seldom appeared likely for them at Easter Road yesterday in a generally drab 90 minutes in which they showed signs their marathon campaign on four fronts is beginning to catch up with them.

Rangers are now seven points behind their great rivals at the top of the table, having played three games fewer. With Celtic enjoying a superior goal difference, Rangers will surely be required to win all five of their remaining league fixtures to win the SPL, unless Gordon Strachan's reigning champions drop points in the two matches they have left to play.

There was a palpable sense of disappointment among both sets of players at the final whistle yesterday, Hibs also frustrated they had not been able to secure the victory which would have taken them into third place and enhanced their prospects of Uefa Cup qualification.

They remain in the hunt, a point behind Motherwell who have two games in hand. The first of those is against Rangers at Ibrox on Wednesday night and Mixu Paatelainen's team must hope the Uefa Cup finalists can rediscover winning form to aid their own ambitions of a successful conclusion to the campaign.

It was hardly startling to witness a level of flatness in Rangers' performance, although there was mild surprise in Smith's decision to make just three changes to his starting line-up less than 72 hours after their exertions in Florence.

One of those was enforced, the suspended Steven Whittaker being replaced by Nacho Novo while the manager also opted to bring in Christian Dailly and Daniel Cousin at the expense of Brahim Hemdani and Jean-Claude Darcheville.

Hibs, who had selection difficulties of their own due to the suspensions being served by Thierry Gathuessi and Colin Nish, had a clear strategy to try to capitalise on any lethargy on Rangers' part. While ostensibly setting out a 4-5-1 formation, Paatelainen's tactics provided scope to switch quickly to a 4-3-3 when in possession with Filipe Morais and Ross Campbell pushing forward to support Steven Fletcher.

It was a system they were able to utilise regularly in the first half and they were unfortunate to be denied the opportunity of making an early breakthrough by what appeared to be an errant offside call by assistant referee Lawrence Kerrigan in the fourth minute.

Fletcher and Morais linked up cleverly to play Dean Shiels in behind the Rangers defence, only for the midfielder to be halted by the raised flag when he had only Neil Alexander to beat. It was a rare incidence of incisive play in a match largely devoid of either excitement or excellence.

While Hibs were dominant territorially in the first half, Rangers taking 32 minutes to force their first corner, they did come closest to scoring when a Steven Davis cross from the right picked out Carlos Cuellar whose downward header was on target to creep in at Andrew McNeil's left-hand post. The Hibs goalkeeper seemed to see it late, but scrambled across in time to turn the ball behind.

Cuellar collected a costly booking just before the interval with a calculated foul on Steven Fletcher as the forward looked set to race clear and the Spanish defender will now miss Rangers' penultimate league game away to St Mirren on 19 May through suspension.

Hibs, for all the eager running of Morais and urgency of Shiels, were unable to create many clear-cut scoring chances of their own. Rangers enjoyed their best period of the afternoon at the start of the second half, McNeil making another good save to keep out a well struck low shot from Barry Ferguson.

It was Alexander who had to produce the most eye-catching piece of goalkeeping, however, when he arched backwards to touch a rising 22-yard shot from Morais over the crossbar after John Rankin had robbed Kevin Thomson of possession to create the opportunity.

Smith sacrificed full-back Sasa Papac in the closing stages, sending on Kris Boyd in an attempt to snatch all three points but there was to be no inspirational contribution from his rarely utilised top scorer on this occasion.

Thomson came close with a sweetly struck free-kick which curled around the Hibs defensive wall but narrowly wide of McNeil's left hand post and there was a scare for the Hibs goalkeeper as the match approached stoppage time. He came for but missed a long free-kick into the penalty area from Dailly, but Cuellar was unable to make the most of the error as he looped his free header over the crossbar.

Paatelainen still optimistic of netting third spot

FOR the second weekend running, Hibernian failed to take full advantage of slip-ups by their rivals for a Uefa Cup place. Last week they lost to Aberdeen after those rivals, Dundee United and Motherwell, drew with each other. Yesterday, having seen both those teams lose the day before, Hibs could only draw with Rangers.

That result takes them on to the 52-point mark, level with United, a point behind Motherwell, and just two clear of a resurgent Aberdeen. With two games in hand Motherwell remain favourites to seal third place, but Mixu Paatelainen believes his team are still well in the running.

"I think we have a good chance," the Hibs manager said. "We've got two matches left, and if we win them both we might be third. It depends on other results as well, obviously, but we can only worry about our own performances. Come next Sunday we'll approach that game (away to Celtic] in a very positive manner and hopefully win it."

Hibs are at home to Motherwell in the last game of the season for both teams, on Thursday 22 May. But even if Paatelainen's team do win at Celtic Park in six days' time, that last game will be irrelevant to their European hopes if Motherwell win their games in hand in the interim.

The Finn suggested the match officials yesterday had made one significant mistake, when Dean Shiels was flagged offside in the first half. But he was philosophical about the incident, saying, "These things happen", and accepted that over the piece a draw could be deemed a fair outcome of a contest in which there were few real goal-scoring opportunities.

"It was an even game, I felt," he added. "I don't think Rangers were any weaker than usual."

Filipe Morais, who had one of his best games for Hibs, had a slightly different perspective on events. "I'd say yes," the wide midfielder said at first when asked if he thought the goalless draw was a fair result, but he went on to suggest that Hibs had been slightly the stronger team.

"I thought we did well in patches, but Rangers held on really well as well," Morais continued. "Obviously they were really tired, I thought, but credit to them for coming and getting a draw.

"We could have gone on and won the game. I think they've done well to get a 0-0. At half-time I was saying to the boys 'We've got to get the three points here'. It was definitely there for the taking. We should have taken advantage."

Cuellar wins award

RANGERS defender Carlos Cuellar has won the Scottish Football Writers' Player of the Year award.

The 26-year-old Spaniard, who had already claimed the Clydesdale Bank Premier League prize, pipped Celtic winger Aiden McGeady, who won the PFA Scotland award.

Cuellar, whose superb defensive display helped Rangers shut out Fiorentina in midweek to reach the Uefa Cup final, has adapted seamlessly to Scottish football since a £2.4million move from Osasuna last summer.

"I am really happy with the award," said the centre-back before yesterday's draw with Hibs. "It is not only recognition for myself but for all the hard work of the whole team. It is an honour for me to receive it.

"A big factor in my first season here has been the competitiveness of the squad because we have a really good group of players here."

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1

James,,

05/05/2008 10:27:57
SQUEAKY BUM TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2

James,,

05/05/2008 10:30:06
No wins inside the regulation 90 minutes in ten matches.

No goals from open play in five matches.

One win in eight away matches against top six sides.

No more slip-ups allowed.

Celtic in the driving seat.

3

Scotcelt,

05/05/2008 11:01:21
Credit where it's due...however many or few trophies Rangers win this season, you can't fault them for effort. In terms of style & flair, neither OF team deserves to win the league. Let's hope the desperation to come out on top doesn't completely take over or we'll be watching some possibly exciting but fairly awful matches for some time to come. Tony Mowbray's West Brom have proved that you can come out on top while playing the most attractive football. Let's hope both OF managers take a leaf out of that particular book. Can't see it, though.....
4

McMillar,

Fife 05/05/2008 11:04:29
Euro final is much more important…good luck.
5

paulmac,

surrey 05/05/2008 11:04:40
I understand Imodium sales have rocketed in Govan!
6

Starchief,

05/05/2008 11:05:15
I'm no fan of the OF but to not give Rangers every opportunity to win the UEFA Cup smacks of parochialism. Next to a European trophy, the league should take a back seat. I can see the 'showpiece' of the season against QoS starring Webster, Smith, Buffel and other fringe players.

When Celtic got to the UEFA final that was a bigger deal than a local league. Same applies now. I support ICT in Scotland but all the Scottish teams in Europe.
7

paulmac,

surrey 05/05/2008 11:05:26
#4

Why?
8

James,,

05/05/2008 11:06:00
#3,

I agree. Watching cluggers like Nakamura and McGeady every week is ruining the game as a spectacle for me.
9

DougRFC,

Italy 05/05/2008 11:07:43
Success brings as much sacrifices as it does awards and our scrifice is having to win the SPL on an unlevel playing field. Rangers could very well lose the SPL title assuming Celtic can take advantage of the punishing schedule that has been dealt to this historic Rangers squad. Having watched highlights from the recent Celtic games (vs Aberdeen and vs Motherwell) I honestly cannot see Celtic taking 6-points from their last 2 games but if they do, they will be odds-on favourites for the title.

Makes you wonder if being in 4 cup finals is worth losing the SPL for. As WS says, "we'll just have to get on with it."
10

James,,

05/05/2008 11:08:24
#6,

Rangers want an extension to the league season in order to help them win the league. Why should the other teams make it easier for them?
11

DougRFC,

Italy 05/05/2008 11:09:40
Sorry...3 Cup Finals
12

DougRFC,

Italy 05/05/2008 11:13:56
@10

You have to win games to win the league, James. An extension does not guarantee victories but your obvious concern that if Rangers are allowed to complete the SPL with a fair schedule reflects what the issue is here......Celtic have been given an unfair advantage.

"Other teams" are being given the easier option, not Rangers.
13

jerryG,

05/05/2008 11:15:27
Rangers are victims of there own success. Its an absolute disgrace that there has been no help from the SPL. After all are we not flying the flag for Scotland. We shall remember this when the SPL requires our help in the future.
14

James,,

05/05/2008 11:21:55
Alex McLeish, April 2003, on the refusal of the SPL to reschedule Celtic's league match against Rangers, 48 hours after they returned from a UEFA Cup semi-final in Portugal:

"I hope that someday I can be in the same position, and that Rangers can be in the same position – that would be great, it would be fantastic, I'll be treating it like any other Old Firm game but there will be plenty of time to talk about that then."


Alex McLeish, October 2003 on the refuasl of the SPL to reschedule Rangers' league match with Celtic after a CL away match for Rangers in Greece:

"The SPL saw fit to make us play on Saturday at lunchtime, which looks like a case of two wrongs not making a right. They look as if they have evened up the score for last season. It's another case of the Dark Ages in Scotland."

What goes around comes around.

15

James,,

05/05/2008 11:28:18
#12,

Before the season starts, there is a schedule for the completion of the games. Rangers were as aware as anybody else what that schedule was.

Maybe if you had not asked for a match against Gretna to be postponed you would not be in this position. Maybe if you had managed to win all your cup matches at the first attempt, you wouldn't be in this position. Maybe if you had used a free midweek in January, you wouldn't be in this position.

It won't benefit Celtic to play Dundee Utd without the players involved in Euro 2008 if their national associations insist on calling them up for their preparations.

Rangers apparently neither asked for, nor wanted an extension to the season. So why all the bleating when they don't get one? I think it's the pressure.
16

DougRFC,

Italy 05/05/2008 11:32:32
@14

And your point is?

One very important distinction, "....refusal of the SPL to reschedule...".

Nobody here has accused Celtic or any other team of forcing Rangers to play 8 games in 18 days (including the SC Final and the UEFA Cup Final). In fact, by your own post, Big Eck recognized those incidents as being cases of err in judgment by the SPL. Exactly the same, although rather more severe, as in this instance.

There is nothing "going around" rather an unprecedented finale to the SPL season being caused by some bizarre, and precedented, decisions from the SPL. Once again, Scottish Football is made to suffer through it's own entity and that is unforgivable.
17

Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 05/05/2008 11:33:34
#1 & #3 Both true observations.
However,with few exceptions where are the stylish/flair players?
Here in England it is no coincidence that the top two teams in "the best league in the world" are those who have thrown the most money at players.It used to be said you can't buy the league but Kenny Dalglish refuted that pointing to his brief tenure at Blackburn.Since then it's been Chelsea,Man Utd with the astuteness of Arsene Venger occasionally intervening who have dominated.
A year ago these two (Chelsea/Man.Utd)contrived to serve up 90 minutes of boredom in the FA Cup Final.
Let's hope Europe is not treated to a repeat in Moscow.
18

Scotcelt,

05/05/2008 11:33:54
#14 James, you (& Alex) make a good point - any number of wrongs don't make a right. However, the SPL needs to ensure that this situation does not arise again. All they need to do is to legislate that ANY team playing in a Euro final or even semi-final will be allowed a free week before the tie(s) and at least 3 free days after it. Problem solved. If that causes the league to be dragged out a little, it should be worth it for the (football) benefit to the country.
19

James,,

05/05/2008 11:39:04
As "Walter" whined:

"There is no willingness on anyone's part to help us and I don't expect that to change now. It's been a few days now since we reached the Uefa Cup final and while the Russian Premier League have made their intentions clear quickly, we have not heard from anyone.

"When the SPL announced the league would be extended to 22 May if we reached the final, they weren't doing us a favour. They made that decision because it was just physically impossible for them not to extend the season. So they are not going to do us any favours now. They could have helped out a Scottish team, there is a precedent from the last time one reached a European final, but if everyone thinks it is fair that we prepare for the Uefa Cup final this way, then that's fine by us."


Aw diddums. When are all these games supposed to be played if Rangers are given a week off to prepare?

The Russian season only started in March, so they have plenty of scope for reorganising those matches.

What precedent is "Walter" talking about? When Celtic reached the UEFA Cup final, there was no season extension. Celtic had to play their final game of the season on the Sunday, needing to beat Kilmarnock by as many goals as possible to win the league. Did they ask if they could play it a week later?

This league extension they want is for one thing only - to help Rangers win the league.
20

DougRFC,

Italy 05/05/2008 11:45:58
@15

Maybe, if Celtic had won their cup matches you would still have games to play. Maybe, if Celtic had not postponed the January derby game and insisted it be played when their key players were no longer injured/suspended and prior to the UEFA Cup semi, we would have taken 9-pionts instead of 6 from the derby games. Maybe, if Motherwell had a better pitch we wouldn't be playing winter games before the UEAF Cup Final. Maybe, if the SPL had a little bit of sense they would realize winning the UEFA Cup helps everyone.

In addition, Celtic games would not be subject to change since they are not aligned with the Rangers games.

It's not every year that we have a represenative in the UEFA cup final...twice in 35 years in fact, so I think it would not have been entirely wrong for the SPL to make sure the title was decided fairly. As it stands, Rangers are being forced into a decision of which tournament they REALLY want success in.

Maybe, if Celtic were in the same position their fans would admit the unfairness of it all?
21

invictager,

Kent 05/05/2008 11:46:20
#18
Absolutely. Made the exact same point yesterday.We need to take a serious look at ourselves before Scottish football comes across even worse than it normally does.
Both sides need to realise that any Scottish club doing well in Europe is a good thing.Rather than being jealous of any success it should be an inspiration to do equally well.
22

James,,

05/05/2008 11:47:00
#18,

That is just not always possible. The domestic and international football calender is so crowded, it would be unworkable most years. Besides, Rangers should still have had plenty of time to fulfill their fixtures within the alloted time.

Euro 2008 begins on 7th June. The competing nations will be calling up their players in the next few weeks, and Celtic have players in the Poland, Netherlands and Greece squads. Should Celtic play Dundee Utd after the scheduled end of the season, requiring a result to win the league, without Boruc, Vennegoor of Hesselink and Samaras, just so that Rangers can have a few days off before the UEFA Cup Final?
23

G...,

Scotland 05/05/2008 11:49:43
i would say celtic are in the driving seat now for sure for the SPL..

quite why james #2 needs to make stuff up ie "No wins in 90 mins in last 10 matches" to back up his point i'm not sure...
24

Venachar,

05/05/2008 11:52:18
I'm neutral!

Don't complain Walter. What is the point of the reserves if you don't rotate, your team looks tired.

For the life of me and the rest of the country what on earth is wrong with Kris Boyd. It is beginning to look like you dislike this young man.

Souness tried this with Ally.
Strachan is doing it with Riordan
You are doing it with Boyd.

This is not good team or man management. I would like you to win as many competetions as you can. However being stubborn will not win you anything the way you are going. BTW the weak point in your team apart from scoring goals is Dailly, he has not been very good for the last 5 or 6 games he has played in.

Best wishes

A neutral.
25

invictager,

Kent 05/05/2008 11:52:34
#22
It would be easy if we had a proper league set rather than the ludicrous "split".
Remember, it may be Celtic who need that favour next year and people with your attitude will not convince others to grant it.
We all want to see our team win and it's obviously too late to do anything this year( I for one have stated I would rather lose than listen to the whingeing) but it needs sorted if we are to portray ourselves as a footballing nation rather than a bunch of moronic bigots.
26

James,,

05/05/2008 12:01:13
#20,

Celtic did not postpone the January match against Rangers, it was done with the agreement of the SPL and Rangers after the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell. The only scandal at that time was that the whole schedule was not cancelled that week.

Maybe if Mike McCurry hadn't been the referee for the first Celtic-Rangers match we might have had 9 points instead of six ourselves.

Maybe if Motherwell had a better pitch we wouldn't have had to play them three times in four weeks.

I don't see how Rangers winning the UEFA Cup will help "everyone." How exactly will it help even every team in the SPL?

Celtic games will be subject to change, as the final round of matches has to be played simultaneously.

Maybe if Celtic were in the same position, Celtic fans would be saying it's unfair. Maybe Rangers fans would be saying, "get on with it." Wait a minute, that's JUST what they WERE saying in 2003. What goes around comes around.

Oh, and Scotland has had THREE representatives in the UEFA Cup Final in TWENTY ONE years. And four Euro finalists in twenty five. This is the first time there has been such a campaign for fixture extensions though.
27

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 05/05/2008 12:02:24
if rangers happen to lose to motherwell on wednesday do gers fans think that smith will play fringe players against dundee utd
28

dangleberries,

hangin' aboot 05/05/2008 12:04:02
Some valid comments made about players missing league games because of international duty but it's not too often a Scottish team makes it to a European final therefore I advocate that The SFA make the allowance and (peter)grant the Gers a wee bit o leeway before their final.

We don't want to be singing about how the mighty Zenith beat the govan gang coz the wee darlins were tired do we??

29

Magnet,

05/05/2008 12:05:29
Question still remains unanswered .... can Celtic win a game without the officials help ?
30

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 05/05/2008 12:05:41
it was also funny to hear neil alexander say that smith was manufacturing a siege mentality to help the team..i thought postponing the gretna game was the spl helping rangers in europe..and delaying the league 4 days is helping as well...so to say they have had no help is in fact not true..but there you go x
31

sonofcosmos,

glasgow 05/05/2008 12:07:29
#29 "Question still remains unanswered ...can rangers win a game over 90 minutes ??
32

Iain Bhern,

05/05/2008 12:09:10
It seems to escape Rangers supporters that fans of every team in the top six have been inconvenienced by the re-scheduled fixtures. Personally I don't give a fig if Rangers win everything in sight or not. All very nice if they do but it's not the end of the world if they don't. I only really care about my own team, not someone else's. I've already wished Rangers luck in the UEFA Final but there are limits to what I'll put up with as far as mucking about with fixtures goes.
33

Amburno,

Edinburgh 05/05/2008 12:12:00
I think Hibs did well yesterday. Still can't see us finishing 3rd but at least the interest is still there and our remaining games have meaning.

As for the Rangers/Celtic thread hijack that is going on just now, can you not find an old firm only thread to discuss your little problems?
34

James,,

05/05/2008 12:12:17
G #23,

Thanks for the correction. It is TWO wins inside 90 minutes in the last 10.

3/4/08 (UEFA CUP) - Rangers 0-0 Sporting Lisbon
6/4/08 (SPL) - Dundee Utd 3-3 Rangers
10/4/08 (UEFA CUP) - Sporting Lisbon 0-2 Rangers
13/4/08 (SC Replay) - Partick Thistle 0-2 Rangers
16/4/08 (SPL) - Celtic 2-1 Rangers
20/4/08 (SC) - Rangers 1-1 St Johnstone (Rangers win 4-3 on penalties)
24/4/08 (UEFA CUP) - Rangers 0-0 Fiorentina
27/4/08 (SPL) - Celtic 3-2 Rangers
1//08 (UEFA CUP) - Fiorentina 0-0 Rangers (Rangers win 4-2 on penalties
4/5/08 (SPL) - Hibernian 0-0 Rangers

That makes MUCH better reading now, doesn't it? Two wins in 10, one against lower league opposition, after a replay!

Must fill you Darksiders with confidence!
35

Yirman,

05/05/2008 12:12:36
Rangers are the victims of their own success and that is the bottom line. They are also the victims of their own inability to win games in the regulation 90 minutes - that's the real reason for the current backlog.

Replays, the Gretna postponement, the postponement caused because of the unfortunate death of Phil O'Donnell (don't forget that Barry, Walter and others at RFC wanted the postponement too.

In the January window Smith had money and the opportunity to "freshen up" his squad but he said then that his squad was quite big enough!! That was true, but he's not used them, Boyd, Gow, Buffel, and many others.

The situation is of your own making, so please get on with it.

Good luck in Manchester nonetheless, it will be good for Scottish football if you are successful but I'm hoping you play some decent football and not the guff you've been serving up recently.
36

G...,

Scotland 05/05/2008 12:16:47
I think we've just got to accept, that since the inception of the SPL, no team has been in the position to win the quadruple this late in the year..hence the backlog

Victims of our own success, but as many have said, its a pleasant position to be in.

There doesn't seem to be any hard and fast rule for re-scheduling games..ie our november fixture is outstanding, but a january outstanding fixure was played to avoid the possibility of us winning the league at parkhead...I would say the SPL are trying there best to be fair, whilst also trying to pacify the conspiracy theorists.
37

invictager,

Kent 05/05/2008 12:16:52
I am proud to be Scottish but reading the crap dished out by the likes of James day in day out makes me glad I left the place.
Any neutral reading these posts would conclude we do not deserve any successful teams until we collectively grow up.
38

James,,

05/05/2008 12:18:47
#33,

Sadly, no. Since Celtic beat Rangers twice last month (games that look to have swung the SPL Celtic's way), The Scotsman doesn't allow comments on most Celtic/Rangers threads.

I don't think Rangers fans have handled the turnaround that well.
39

G...,

Scotland 05/05/2008 12:20:04
lets be fair james.. 4 games were against european opposition..whilst 2 were against a blue chip, next level outfit who were 4-5 years ahead of us at the start of the season.!
40

Amburno,

05/05/2008 12:25:46
#38

Honestly, I don't really care about what Rangers/Celtic get up to, I just focus on my team and our fight to get 3rd. Until some serious financial backing comes into those teams outwith the old firm then the league will forever be a 3 way split - Which old firm team will win the league, which team will finish 3rd and who will go down.

41

Venachar,

05/05/2008 12:31:33
Could the real reason be too many games in the SPL.

What happens if the membership of the SPL is increased to 16 teams, with 2 up and 2 down at the end of the season and play home and away once during the season.

Bet there would not be a backlog then. Pie in the Sky because outwith the Old Firm eveyone else is bankrupt without the extra Old Firm revenue.

No change then - nothing changes!
42

James,,

05/05/2008 12:34:40
#37,

Sorry you can't handle the stuff I have posted these past few days, it's called football rivalry, and you'll never find anything from me on a football thread that could be described as anything else.

Here's the bad news - I live in England too!

43

Amburno,

05/05/2008 12:35:35
#41

Not everyone is/would be bankrupt. Plus you could say that if the old firm never bought the other teams better players then you would have a stronger league. It has only been recently that both teams have actually paid decent money for our players, for too long was it bosmans etc
44

Teary Ennui,

05/05/2008 12:36:12
"Maybe if Mike McCurry hadn't been the referee for the first Celtic-Rangers match we might have had 9 points instead of six ourselves" (#26)

A bizarre suggestion given that not only did Rangers win 3-0 but McCurry turned down a stonewall Gers penalty claim and disallowed a good Rangers goal.
45

invictager,

Kent 05/05/2008 12:36:27
We need at least an 18 team league to get a minimum of 34 games.
No reason why Partick, Dundee,Dunfermline,St Johnstone etc would not fit in ok.Cant be worse than Gretna.
46

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05/05/2008 12:38:59
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James,,

05/05/2008 12:39:58
G #39,

The facts speak for themselves, and with the injuries and suspensions not easing up any, I wonder how confident you are of five league victories in your remaining games?

I must congratulate Rangers on one thing though - yesterday's point guaranteed them at least second spot in the league this year. Well done!
48

Daillyman,

05/05/2008 12:40:30
Good to see James in such a jovial mood, but I still think he needs to be laid.

The tic are in the drivers seat for the title with the points already in the bag, but should the Gers take maximum points from there next two home matches, things can quickly change.

At the start of the season there is no one who frequents these threads would have bet a penny on the Gers fighting for a quadruple in the month of May.

Should the tic edge the league good luck to them, I will just have to content myself with a treble this season, and that would be beyond my wildest dreams, going on the 2 previous seasons.
49

Daillyman,

05/05/2008 12:42:15
47 James

Its not over to the final whistle, remember Motherwell and the Pars a few seasons ago???
50

Daillyman,

05/05/2008 12:43:26
46

A blight on all decent football supporters,
51

Teary Ennui,

05/05/2008 12:43:50
As for the fixture congestion, it has been an unprecedented season with games being postponed for a whole variety of reasons including the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell and an attempt to help the national side. Moreover the SPL clubs agreed at the start of the season that they would do all they could to help their fellow clubs in Europe. It would be a huge boost for the game in Scotland if one our clubs could win a European trophy for the first time in 25 years. It's right that we should make our point but we'll just have to get on with it now.
52

James,,

05/05/2008 12:44:26
#44,

And NINE Celtic players were booked for challenges Rangers were getting away with. That game was won and lost in the middle of the park, with McCurry's uneven interpretation of the rules.

What about the STONEWALL penalty kick that wasn't given at Ibrox when Scott Brown was brought down by Whittaker when clean through last month? If that had been given, we might have won that game too.

Still, these things even themselves out over the course of the season eh?
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Daillyman,

05/05/2008 12:47:14
52 James

you are correct poor decisions by officials tend to even out over the course of a season.
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Scotcelt,

05/05/2008 12:47:18
#45 Spot on! The present set up is crazy & is to the (financial) detriment of smaller (albethey ambitious) clubs. 2 X 18 club major leagues would be preferable for all sorts of reasons - with automatic promotion for the leading two & playoffs for a third promotion spot. With a 2 week winter break over the Christmas/New Year period. When will they ever learn....?
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invictager,

Kent 05/05/2008 12:47:56
#42

Ok - olive branch.

Sorry. I didnt just mean you, I know there are far worse on both sides who take it too far, hence the reason we are on this thread.

You just have been on a lot lately giving such views as why shouldnt we watch the final at Ibrox rather than Manchester(that irked me yesterday). Did anyone suggest the Celts shouldn't have gone to Seville without a ticket.

As it happens I agree that it was disgraceful what happened to Celtic in 2003 but that just sums up what I am on about.

I can take all the slagging you can give, within reason, and give it too when we win but surely you can see my point about the neutral. They would expect to see countrymen stick together.

You will see that I have publicly stated I dont want to win with an extension but you must agree it should be changed for the future.
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G...,

Scotland 05/05/2008 12:49:15
things do even themselves out over the season..

as testified by the distinct lack of masonic conspiracy posts in the past few weeks ;-)
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invictager,

Kent 05/05/2008 12:50:26
I see while I was typing my last post that #46 entirely proved my point. Sad really.
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Teary Ennui,

05/05/2008 12:50:55
"And NINE Celtic players were booked" (#52)

They couldn't cope and lost the plot. Even Strachan suggested as much.

"What about the STONEWALL penalty kick that wasn't given at Ibrox when Scott Brown was brought down by Whittaker when clean through last month?"

Brown wasn't brought down by anyone. He did almost trip over his own feet though.

"Still, these things even themselves out over the course of the season eh?"

Yeah, I'd say so.
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Daillyman,

05/05/2008 12:52:40
54 Scotcelt

The 19 matches that RFC will have played in Europe this season, is half or more than half of some countries league season.

RFC are a victim of their own success in Europe, and domestic cup competitions this season along with cancellations of matches beyond their control, it will be a tough finish to the season so all the club can do is get on with it.
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Brother Walfrid,

05/05/2008 12:53:13
I'm hoping Rangers will lose their next two games which would allow us to win the title next Sunday.

A very unlikely scenario I would say, but I don't think Rangers will get more than 4 points from their next two league matches.

Motherwell can cause Rangers a lot of problems, Dundee U will come to Ibrox fresh and desperate for points.
If Rangers come through that with 6 points, they'll deserve to remain in pole position...but my guess is they'll get a win and a draw , both games being very tight.
Which , if correct , would mean that should Celtic take care of Hibs, , we'll be 6 points clear, Rangers having two in hand ( Love Street and Fir Park)

I'm not sure whose position I'd rather be in. We have the goal difference advantage, and until that changes, Rangers are having to win 5 very tough games on the bounce, whereas we need only win two to stay in contention.

It's not easy to decide...yes the title is in Rangers' hands, but one slip up and effectively, the title's in Celtic's.

On balance, I would rather be in Celtic's shoes. The struggle for third place will make 5 consecutive wins an almost impossible task for a team that almost knackered.
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Magnet,

05/05/2008 12:53:35
Conroy, Thomson, Brines, Murphy, Clarke , Smith !!!
What strength in depth !!!
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Magnet,

05/05/2008 12:55:48
60
You don`t half talk mince ! You would rather be in Celtic`s position ! What a poor attempt at being upbeat ! Take the day off !
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DougRFC,

Italy 05/05/2008 12:56:31
@40

Isn't winning the UEFA Cup about attaining "...serious financial backing..." for the SPL? All such backing comes from television rights and with the OF reaching the last 16 in the CL for the last 3 years, Celtic and Rangers reaching the UEFA Cup final recently and, possibly, Rangers winning said cup final....would that be "carrot" enough to get the SPL in the spotlight?

With the poor financial rewards of participating in the SPL, Rangers/Celtic (or any other SPL team) absolutely require the CL group stages or UEFA 32/16 to make a buck. Unless Hibs/Hearts/whoever miraculously tilt the scales in their favour without financial backing, that's the way it will always be.

It should be no surprise that the most successful teams in Europe today have all the money. There is no coincidence. Zenit/Rangers have overcome some vastly superior football individuals and teams to reach the UEFA Cup final as did Porto/Celtic in 2003. Aberdeen surpassed themselves by qualifying from the UEFA group stages. How far do you think the Scottish Teams would have progressed if they each had the 30 million quid handed out to EPL teams at the start of the season?

@James

My point was that "if's" and "maybe's" do not resolve anything. It is the manner in which you manage the facts that get things resolved. FACT of the matter is that Rangers are paying the price of being the most successful team in the SPL this season by having to choose between a fighting chance of the UEFA Cup or the SPL title.

Also, the Scotsman, rightly, blocked all threads on the OF because of the usual suspects who post here to spill their vile comments for all to see. The Scotsman, rightly, was protecting us from ourselves.

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James,,

05/05/2008 12:58:01
Daillyman #48 and #49,

There speaks a man who obviously has experience of going without for a while. I'm not one to mock the afflicted though, so moving on...

You sound increasingly like the captain of the Titanic trying to convince himself the paint has just been scratched.

Hang on, is THAT mocking the afflicted?



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Busymale,

05/05/2008 12:58:21
Why all the fuss about extending the league season when Celtic have a chance to win it within the regulation period? An extension would be to the benefit of one club at the expense of another. If Rangers were 15 points ahead I'd see their claim but their not, so shut up and get on with it.

And as for helping Scotland, did that apply when they just bought the league 9 times in a row? Or was that just for the benefit of themselves.

It really is poopy bum time!
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Daillyman,

05/05/2008 12:58:59
63 DougRFC

Good post, if someone takes the time to read the content. Well done.
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invictager,

Kent 05/05/2008 13:02:20
#60
Should Rangers win then draw it would actually leave Dundee Utd looking good for third so would not likely help you given the last fixture at Tannadice.
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G...,

Scotland 05/05/2008 13:02:49
"Bought the league nine times in a row"

oh dear..someone is still hurting...
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Brother Walfrid,

05/05/2008 13:03:08
If Celtic win the title next Sunday, the spl could simply revert to the original schedule.

Extending the schedule to help Rangers without consultation with the other clubs has led to problems so far as players leaving for international duty is concerned.

Champions Celtic have several international players , some of whom will be participating at Euro 08, and giving Rangers a leg up has compromised their plans.

If we win the league next Sunday, surely we could just go back to plan A.
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Daillyman,

05/05/2008 13:04:37
64
James

My posts at 48 and 49.

So you thought the Gers would be fighting for a quad in May?

And if the Gers win a treble it is not a good season?

And you dont remember Motherwell or the Pars season ending results aa few seasons ago?

The difference between us is, if the tic win the league I will be one of the first on these threads to congratulate them, will you do the same if the Gers squeak out the title?
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celticdaft,

05/05/2008 13:06:12
The fault of the fixture congestion lies entirely with the SPL. They admitted Gretna into the SPL when they had no stadium. This has helped cause the wasteland that is Fir Park and the subsequent game call offs. They also allowed the postponement of the Gretna game. The CL games are slotted in comfortably in midweek. Every professional team should be able to handle them without a postponement. If you can't then frankly you shouldn't be there.
These facts, Phil O'Donnell and Rangers scottish cup run of replays are the reason they find themselves in this situation. Every other team now has an opportunity to use this to their advantage. That's life. If Rangers end up with the quadruple then they have the last laugh. If this was say formula 1 and ferrari were leading in the race from the start and blew the engine on the last lap you wouldn't have every other team pull out of the race because they felt they had an unfair advantage would you? Celtic have pretty much one chance at winning a trophy and I want them to win. Suck it up Rangers and if you come out top then well done.
#41 exactly ... too many games in the SPL.
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CHUCKY,

05/05/2008 13:08:19
If rangers lose their two games this week I believe Celtic can win the title against Hibs next Sunday.
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James,,

05/05/2008 13:09:53
#55,

Just because you were irked by something I wrote yesterday does not make it "crap." That particular point is for another thread, but it was on-topic, was not abusive, and asked a reasonable question which you, and anyone else for that matter, were free to answer. Hardly the stuff that gets threads closed down.

Celtic were not treated disgracefully in 2003. It would have been nice if Rangers had agreed to re-arrange the match at Ibrox after the Boavista game in Porugal, but they looked after their own interests. That would not have extended the season.

Rangers are not being treated disgracefully today. They have had the season extended by four days. It is the other teams who should feel hard done by. I would have been at Celtic's last game of the season had it been played on the Sunday as scheduled. Work commitments mean I cannot be there on a Thursday night. I'm not the only one.
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Guiseppe Tortolano,

05/05/2008 13:11:01
Bloody Hell!
It stinks on this this thread.
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Teary Ennui,

05/05/2008 13:13:12
"Celtic were not treated disgracefully in 2003. It would have been nice if Rangers had agreed to re-arrange the match at Ibrox after the Boavista game in Porugal" (#73)

Celtic played Thursday and Sunday as teams in the UEFA Cup usually do.
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Scotcelt,

05/05/2008 13:13:58
Got to go now. Thanks to (almost) everyone for a superb, well thought out and DECENT exchange of views. It's such a relief to see rival fans behaving respectfully & with a good sense of humour towards each other. Good luck to the Gers in Manchester! And may all bigots everywhere die horribly & soon......Bye for now.
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James,,

05/05/2008 13:14:28
#70 Daillyman,


"So you thought the Gers would be fighting for a quad in May?

And if the Gers win a treble it is not a good season?

And you dont remember Motherwell or the Pars season ending results aa few seasons ago?"

And your point is?

If Rangers win the league, it will be because they fully deserved to. If Celtic win the league, it will be the same. The best team in the league ALWAYS wins it at the end of the season.

What difference will it make to anyone if I congratulate them or not?
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Daillyman,

05/05/2008 13:15:32
James you keep bringing up 2003 and the tic having to play on the Sunday. How many times has that happened this season to Rangers. It happens, and clubs just have to get on with it. I doubt you have seen many posts from Gers supporters b!tching about this fact, but you are obsessed with one match from 2003.
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James,,

05/05/2008 13:17:10
#75,

Celtic's plane touched down in Glasgow at 4am on Friday morning. They had to play Rangers two days later.

Like I said, it would have been nice if Rangers had agreed to re-arrange the fixture, but they looked after their own interests, which they were fully entitled to do.

What goes around, comes around.
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James,,

05/05/2008 13:18:18
#78,

The point is, Rangers did not do a thing to help Celtic out in 2003 when asked.

What goes around, comes around.
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Teary Ennui,

05/05/2008 13:20:38
#80,

The point is 2003 was a different situation.
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Brother Walfrid,

05/05/2008 13:20:44
After Motherwell beat Celtic at CP, I genuinely believed that the title was over. I don't think any reasonable person could have thought otherwise.

But Champions Celtic have rallied, and at the moment, Rangers can't buy a win.

That's why , on the facts , I'd rather be in Celtic's shoes .
Rangers can't win at the moment, and for the title, they'll have to do 5 staright wins, all of them very tough nuts to crack...how can anyone not fancy Celtic to remain Scottish Champions at this point in time ?
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Magnet,

05/05/2008 13:20:46
Great tae see all the Celtic minded on here ignoring posts 29 & 61 ! I would be ashamed as well !
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James,,

05/05/2008 13:21:44
Here's what Rangers' Ronald de Boer said in April 2003:

"The date is set and that's it. If you look at Manchester United, they played Liverpool then Real Madrid, then Newcastle and Arsenal.

They have another game before they play Madrid for the second time, but I don't see them complaining.

You have to be happy that you are involved in those games and I would love to be in that position."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/2951361.stm
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Brother Walfrid,

05/05/2008 13:21:47
81

Och away ye go !
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Daillyman,

05/05/2008 13:21:54
80 James

Did Celtic not have a clear 7 day run to prepare for the UEFA Cup final in 2003.

As for the Gers finishing schedule of matches they just have to get on with it. As you say what goes round comes round.
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Magnet,

05/05/2008 13:22:52
82
All Celtics wins have been by default and bad ref decisions ! This cannot go on and the question still remains can they actually win a game without the help of the officials !
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Daillyman,

05/05/2008 13:23:39
Who do the tic play in the Nakamuro Cup?