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Hibs rely on resilient core one year on from Hampden joy



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Published Date: 14 March 2008
A YEAR ago this weekend, Hibernian and Kilmarnock took centre stage when they met in the CIS Cup final at Hampden. The clubs will be out of the limelight when they play at Easter Road tomorrow, but victory for the home team could at least be a springboard to greater things.
Hibs' 5-1 triumph last March was their first trophy for 16 years, and an undoubted highlight of their season. Their inconsistency, however, meant that they finished sixth in the SPL, well off the race for European places.

This time, thanks to the
extra backbone they have found since Mixu Paatelainen became manager, they are very much in the running. In fact, if results go the right way tomorrow they could end the afternoon in third place – an implausibly lofty perch just a couple of months ago, when they briefly fell to ninth place.

The CIS Cup win is inked into the record books, and the style in which the trophy was won will long be remembered. All the same, it was a one-off, whereas under Paatelainen there are at least signs of sustained achievement.

Scott Brown, Steven Whittaker, David Murphy and Ivan Sproule have all moved on from the team that John Collins selected to begin the Hampden match on 18 March, and the first three at least have not been replaced by players of equivalent quality. The squad as a whole, however, looks more balanced now, more competitive when the going gets tough, and more able to adapt their game plan to the circumstances.

Colin Nish, who played for Kilmarnock in the final, has taken some of the weight off Steven Fletcher up front since joining during the January transfer window. Martin Canning has proved a useful addition in defence, and John Rankin and Ian Murray have given Hibs extra quality in midfield.

Murray's sending-off during Wednesday night's 1-0 win over Motherwell, however, has added to Paatelainen's problems in the middle. The former club captain is suspended for tomorrow's match, and Merouane Zemmama, Brian Kerr and Ross Chisholm are all doubtful with knocks. Guillaume Beuzelin has yet to come back from a knee injury, although Dean Shiels returns from suspension.

"We've got plenty of players for those positions," the manager said, before insisting that whoever played could not afford to be over-confident because of Hibs' recent good run or Kilmarnock's lowly standing.

"We've closed the gap (on third place], but nothing changes. We need to make sure we do the right stuff."

If Rangers and Celtic reach the Scottish Cup final, the fourth-placed team in the SPL could go into the Uefa Cup as well as the third. But that possibility will not distract Paatelainen from his principal aim, which is to get Hibs into Europe because of their own efforts in the league.

"If we're fourth at the end of the season and that gives us a Uefa Cup place, we'll be happy. But it's out of our control. We just look at our matches and what we do."

The possibility that Gretna will fail to fulfil their fixtures, and that their results could consequently be deleted from the records, is a worrying one for the fans of Hibs and Motherwell in particular. If every point gained against Gretna were scratched, those two clubs would lose significantly, especially compared to their closest competitor, Dundee United. Again, though, Paatelainen is disinclined to fret about something he cannot influence.

"I don't think their results will be scrapped," he said. "I'd be very disappointed if that was the solution. Why punish teams that do well? I think there is a solution there that would be logical."

Asked what that solution was, the manager said he had no special inside information. "Let the people who decide that decide it. I know nothing – I'm from Finland."

His nationality is not a matter of dispute, but his activities since becoming Hibs manager suggest he is far from knowing nothing about how to run a football club.





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  • Last Updated: 13 March 2008 10:57 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

uncle bulgaria,

New Zealand 14/03/2008 00:41:42
"Let the people who decide that decide it. I know nothing – I'm from Finland."

I love Mixu. I love his name, I love his hat-trick and now I love his quotes.
2

jamtart,

Beechboro 14/03/2008 01:44:43
Mixu is a buffoon like most Finns but a huge improvment on Collins.A few losses and most of the so called"fans" at the san giro will be screaming the same.Go the JT'S.
3

Cammy,

Craigleith 14/03/2008 02:26:46
Thanks #2 Jamtart, your bitterness keeps us warm.

However you should be careful what you wish for, your beloved JT's just might well go. How's your accounts today? :-)
4

USA Hibee,

brandon 14/03/2008 03:12:18
Ah smell the bitterness.. when you down and almost out some folk tend to lash out and their nearest rivals. Still as #3 says it keeps us warm.
GGTTH
5

Fit o' the walk Jambo,

14/03/2008 05:55:06
#4 If that is so then as Hobos you'll be used to lashing out at your nearest rivals then as you've only finished above Hearts 3 times in the last 20 years also seeing your weeteam relegated when Hearts went onto win the Scottish Cup in 1998.As no.3 points out Hearts could face the wall soon but this is only wishful thinking on your weeteam mentality thoughts as this would be the only way you'd ever be Edinburgh's number 1 club. Happy 107 by the way and keep on lashing out!!
6

Hashimoto,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 06:30:04
Calm down FOTWJ - you'll burst a blood vessel!
As a Hibby, I accept that HOMFC have had the upper hand in Edinburgh football for the last 20 odd years, but I can stay cool about it. You should try and get out more, relax, do things to cheer yourself up. Smile more.
7

kiwidoug,

22 In A Row 14/03/2008 06:42:43
Hashimoto has an excellent philosophy. He has resigned himself to mediocrity.

I think he could be on a good earner here. He could run clinics for other Hibees encouraging them to live with persistent failure.

As for my beloved Hearts the future is indeed uncertain but it won't be mediocre and it won't be boring.
8

Hashimoto,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 07:02:18
Not really. Kiwidoug - old enough to recall when Hibs had the upper hand and Hearts were woeful. The Tornadoes weren't boring. Nor was Jose Baker. But these things go in cycles. Of course I'd like Hibs to improve. I'm sure you want that for your beloved Hearts also. In the meantime we'll just wait and see.
9

Yorkina,

14/03/2008 07:09:43
"He hs resigned himself to mediocrity". Well done Kiwidoug. Your attempt at a put down is as nonsensical as the idea that it is a "philosophy". Good try though.

I think you need to visit our pet troglodyte FOTWJ in his cave for lessons in stupidity. He only ever has the one point to make but is always fine etertainment.
10

Fit o' the walk Jambo,

14/03/2008 07:15:29
Hibs had the upper hand for most of the 70's end of.Hearts still had the bigger crowds in this period though and since the 80's Hearts have been way out of the weeteams league!
11

Fit o' the walk Jambo,

14/03/2008 07:20:31
Yorkina can you enlighten me where you think you will ever match Hearts and their achievements?? I have only one point to make?? I could be here all day making points comparing the clubs in Hearts favour whereas after 7-0 and 6-2 you'd be chapping at the bit!!
12

Son Of David Francey,

1000 miles from Nowhere 14/03/2008 07:20:56
No. 7
Is that 'won't be mediocre and won't be boring' as in it not being mediocre or boring for the Gretna-ites at the moment?
13

SouthSideHibs,

14/03/2008 07:36:57
FOTWJ, you going to be around here when you go bust too?

#7, mediocre and boring, perfectly describes your team actually, thanks for that!

14

It's only a game,

Musselburgh 14/03/2008 07:43:24
FOTWJ

I feel your pain son, I feel your pain.

Now looking to the future. The Hibees conveyor belt still roles along nicely with Byrne smashing two into the Rags net in midweek for the reserves in a 5 -1 thrashing. Currie, Cropley (remember that name son) and scoring the others. The other players out on loan are playing for first division sides to get Experience.
Gray, Mailie, Lynch, Ayre, to name but a few. Oh and look for the name Jack Wilson who will be one of our next generation Midfield maestro's.

Whilst over at Riccarton their are 10(ten) Lithuanians in the Hearts under 17 side.

They may grow up to be Ivaskavicius or Benniussus

GGTTH
15

Made_In _Leith,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 08:36:04
#5 Fit o' the stairs jambo

You're showing the extent of your "big team" ambition there. Mentioning the fact that Hibs were relegated before your team's SC win shows what really matters to you and your "friends". Getting one over on us wouldn't be an achievement if you didn't consider Hibs to be the bigger, better club.
16

Jealousy,jealousy,

14/03/2008 08:39:14
#2 jamtart

"Go the JTs"

Are you a sixteen year old American cheerleader? Show us your pompoms!
17

GrahamL,

14/03/2008 08:46:23
Now, I normally try to avoid posting on Hibs threads unless it's a big story or I have something of interest to say. I'm going to break this habit to day to say:

1. #2 "a buffoon like most Finns"? You sir, are an @rse, a racist @rse at that. And I suspect you have never spoken to a Finn in your life and are just driven by a hatred of all things Hibs.
2. "Let the people who decide that decide it. I know nothing – I'm from Finland." - Brilliant! Well done Mixu. Wish we had a manager who came out with quotes of that quality. Ever.

That's it. I'll be off now...
18

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 14/03/2008 08:48:12
JAMTART you really should change your name to JAMTIT,time and time again you come out with the same nonsense,away and get back under that rock from where you came from
19

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 08:59:12
Ho Hum ..........same old same old

More quotes from the 'Hobo dictionary of insults coz we canny think of anything sensible to say'

Bitter
Mad Vlad
Big Team
Wee Team
Scumbos
Gorgay
Flats Flats Glorious Flats
Tick Tock
Fax
Vlad FLu
Debts


..........ad nauseum

Any chance you could change the fuc..ing record guys, just to see if there is actually any intelligent life down San Giro way??

I expect more of the same.................



20

John south of Soutra,

14/03/2008 09:02:04
#2 That comment is distasteful, how many Finns do you know and what gives you the right to stereotype them like that, Mixu may be a buffoon in your eyes that is your opinion but to say that is true for the majority of the country is disgusting.If you had said this about an Indian, West Indian etc you would be racist and this comment is exactly that.The only reason that I can see for your comment is because he is the manager of you city rivals and that just shows what a narrow minded bigot you are
21

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:02:31
# 15 Made_In _Leith,

Hibs to be the bigger, better club

HA HA HA that is funny!!!!!

Nice one pal, you've made my day.

BTW....when you are all posting childish insults about our history why is it that you all conveniently forget 1998, the Cup win and the relegation????

Selectiv memory loss
22

Indie Rep Kid,

14/03/2008 09:04:30
Not on here to bash the hibees (will leave that til later) but the praise for Mixu seems awfy similar to when Collins took over.

Hibs are enjying the new manager effect at the moment and, fair play to them, are doing well but Mixu has made mistakes, most obviously at Ibrox where he made some iffy selections, dodgy substitutions and did not deal with Murray's injury well. If he learns from this then good for him.

Not quite sure what this 'extra backbone' is all about either, especially when the article is comparing this side to one including Brown and Murphy.

It's just an observation but I do feel it is WAY too early to say that Mixu's hibs are showing what is required for "sustained achievement".

And before anyone says, I also do not think Hearts have built any momentum or show any signs of achieving anything except sustained under-achievement.
23

Hibernia,

14/03/2008 09:50:09
#19 I like the way you attempted to list things some fans say about the Hearts. Im sure Hibs fans could do much the same about the majority of Hearts fans on here too.
24

petegeneva,

geneva 14/03/2008 09:53:49
#14 "Whilst over at Riccarton their are 10(ten) Lithuanians in the Hearts under 17 side."

Genuinely? That would worry me if it was happening with Hibs. Or perhaps you're just mischief-making? :-)
25

Made_In _Leith,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:54:43
#21 Rambo

Was that a slip, surely our relegation should be mentioned before your SC win?
26

Made_In _Leith,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:56:18
#22 Will you ever have a manager to get excited over?
27

Prof,

14/03/2008 09:58:11
Yes Mixu has done a cracking job in comparison with Collins. After all, under Collins, Hibs only won the CIS and got to top of the SPL wheras Mixu has them challenging for sixth place again!
28

Indie Rep Kid,

14/03/2008 09:59:00
#14 Don;t get too carried away, Jamie Mole scored twice for our reserves last week as well.

Huge step up from the reserves to the first team - especially if your expectation is to qualify for Europe and compete rather than merely finish in the top 6 - and there are no guarantees any player can make that step.
29

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:59:58
# 23 Hibernia

Probably, however I was just trying to point out that whatever the story there will always be an idiotic minority on both sides who are content to post insults rather than sensible points.

I was having a go at the idiotic minority from Hibs, but I do not condone the same behaviour from Hearts fans.



30

Indie Rep Kid,

14/03/2008 10:01:19
#26 Just observing, mate, that is all.

#27 I think the criticism of Collins since he left has been pretty poor to say the least. For months we heard he was innovative, strict, talented etc etc

A few bad results later and he is the new Malofeev.

Are we now saying Mikey Stewart was right all along? I doubt that.
31

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 10:02:22
# 25 Made_In _Leith


Sorry, did I get it the wrong way round.

Put it down to old age -:)

As for a manager, I would prefer to see the back of Mad Vlad for ever. Anyone out there with a spare £40m (just for the debt, we need more for players and a stadium).
32

Lenny,

14/03/2008 10:07:30
Fi to the Walk

On with your usual p#sh eh.

Are you aware that Hibs not only have a higher record attendance than Hearts but also hold the record Edinburgh average attendance for a season? Nah thought not. What a tube you are.
33

Lenny,

14/03/2008 10:14:41
Rambo, he dude, the same old quotes you hear from some Hibees are exactly the same as the same old quotes we hear. I hope you dont think its one sided.
34

Prof,

14/03/2008 10:17:43
#32 And who were they playing when they got that record crowd? Hearts? Anyway as you said its what happens now thats important not what occurred in the past.
Check your stats for the last 5 seasons Lenny. Hibs regularly have lower crowds than Hearts. Look at the game against Motherwell this week. Less than 12,000 at ER for 2 teams supposed to be challenging for 3rd place.
35

Lenny,

14/03/2008 10:28:22
prof

Im not saying Hearts havnt had better crowds. Im more than aware of the stats. Just like I'm aware that Hearts have only won FOUR, yes FOUR League titles in their history. Not exactly the record of a Big Team. Simply pointing out a fact to Fit o the Walk.

Ronaldo (or profs alter ego???)...

: ) Very good. Not exactly the season you predicted for the Bottom Sixers.
36

Indie Rep Kid,

14/03/2008 10:44:30
#37 Big R the H

The point I am making is that ol' 6-pack made a similar start and everyone was raving....look at how that turned out.

In fact, he took hibs to the top of the league and yet, after a poor run, he becomes a muppet?

History repeating itself? I'm criticising the article more than anything.

By the way, take the Old Firm stats out of Frails's record like you just did with Mixu and HE sounds good.

And, goalkeeping error or not, you never had a shot on target in that derby. Please accept that even we sometimes win fairly and squarely and, if successive hibs bosses don't sort out the goalkeeping position, don;t use it as an excuse to cover other failings.
37

Lenny,

14/03/2008 10:58:24
# 38

It was more than a poor run mate. He totally lost the dressing room. He fell out with players, refused to play certain players etc. He insisted on playing players out of position. He couldnt buy a win for months. He was basically in his first managers job and appeared to be out his depth. The Hearts fans would have been just as peed of in this situation.

He is a totally different person to Mixu so the comparision is not really valid. This is Mixus 3rd job, and the previous 2 were a success. He has came in and changed things round right away. there is nothing at all to suggest he will, 'do a Collins'.

It really looks like you are nit-picking for something to critisise. Possibly a bit frustrated that you havnt had a mangager at Hearts for years?
38

Indie Rep Kid,

14/03/2008 11:30:28
#39 Not nit-picking at all and i'm not having a go at Mixu, i'm criticising a glowing article which could have been written this far into Collins' reign.

When there was rumours of dressing room unrest, this was denied as being exaggerated and then hibs won a trophy. Hibs then romp to the top of the table....dressing room unrest forgotten.

Only when hibs start to lose do these stories re-surface. I could understand it then if he was sacked because of this but did he not resign due to not being funds?

Collins played players out of position...Mixu plays O'Brien and Kerr.

Collins fell out with players.....which players? Simon Brown and Stewart?? Sign of a strong manager, some might say. The impression I got was that Collins tried to make it a more professional operation but encountered resistance from certain players.
39

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:31:52
Hi Lenny

Wasn't having a go at Hibs fans, just the idiotic minortiy. I mean, why post such drivel on a non Hibs/Hearts story? I only insult those who insult us with such drivel.

As I said at:

#29.........I was having a go at the idiotic minority from Hibs, but I do not condone the same behaviour from Hearts fans.

40

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:32:29
.......slip of the tongue, this IS a Hibs story
41

Lenny,

14/03/2008 11:36:47
Indie Rep Kid,

Firstly, Collins resuls in the League were average to say the least. AND, he joined us halfway through the League Cup win.

You are twisting facts for yuor own agenda here. You are acting like many of the Jambos on here, Collins was cr@p when at Hibs but brilliant now he left us. FWIW I believe Collins left as he realised he had wasted all his budget on cr@p players. Look at the players Mixu has brought in, they have improved the team right away.

Its a fact that Collins didnt get on with many players. The atmosphere in the dressing room was dire, despite having won a cup. Dont you see a problem there?

You mention Mixu playing Kerr and O'Brian. Who bought these players? There will be a clearout at the end of the season and I wouldnt be surprised if they go. Mixu is simply working with what he has got.
42

Lenny,

14/03/2008 11:38:25
Fair play Rambo

I'v noticed a wee bit more anger in your posts this week. Is this being in the bottom 6 nonsense starting to get to you... ; )
43

Prof,

14/03/2008 11:42:31
#36 Fair point. This big team wee team is really grating.
44

Indie Rep Kid,

14/03/2008 11:44:12
#43 I have no agenda.

I never thought Collins was cr@p, although i thought he bought poorly.

Will be interesting to see how Mixu fares after this "clear-out" of players and what players he brings in, especially with limited funds.
45

Pedantic_Hibee,

14/03/2008 11:44:30
RSE, glad to have you back.

Is it mathematically possible for us to be relegated and Hearts to finish second still ?

Or will you admit you were wrong ?

Prof, Rambo_the_Jambo and most importantly, Fit o' the walk Jambo........you're just embarrassing yourself and your club.

Victorian (on occasions), GrahamL, Newcastle Jambo, Lyon Jambo and Indie Rep Kid are the only sensible Hearts fans around here and are a credit to themselves. I might have missed out a couple in there but the names are escaping me this morning.

Anyways, feel free to continue bashing a team with a manager, a settled squad and aspirations of Europe. If it aids your mud-slinging, feel free to once again delve into your little history book, conveniently ignoring the present and the future.

That'll be all.
46

Indie Rep Kid,

14/03/2008 11:55:01
#47 The only sensible hibs poster is Mixu 6-2

The rest of you are mongs

xxxxx
47

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:01:53
# 44 Lenny

Lenny...no, I think I'm coming down with Vlad Flu!

(although getting a bit fed up with the same tired old garbage as noted above, it really doesn't help and is long past sell by date)
48

Voice of the mysterons,

Mars 14/03/2008 12:04:28
#48 Post of the week. Have a sweetie and take the rest of the day off.
49

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:06:33
# 47 Pedantic_Hibee

Sorry pal but you have hurt my feelings.

I do like sensible debate but really getting p!ssed off at the idiotic minority.

I think you will find that I can be as sensible as the next, regardless of which side you are on.

50

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:12:09
# 47 Pedantic_Hibee

Additionally, my posts here

19.....spot on
29
31
41
49

nothing malicious here, so what is your problem with these?????
51

Pedantic_Hibee,

14/03/2008 12:12:31
#51

I can be a little bit Jekyll and Hyde too, I know that. At times I react to the stupid posts on here and get brought down to their level.

Rise above it and shoot them down with common sense.
52

Lenny,

14/03/2008 12:20:01
Ach Rambo is one of the good uns. I certainly wouldnt label him with the Ronaldos and Fit o the Walks of this world.
53

Lenny,

14/03/2008 12:20:04
Ach Rambo is one of the good uns. I certainly wouldnt label him with the Ronaldos and Fit o the Walks of this world.
54

Lenny,

14/03/2008 12:20:05
Ach Rambo is one of the good uns. I certainly wouldnt label him with the Ronaldos and Fit o the Walks of this world.
55

Lenny,

14/03/2008 12:21:29
Although, I will point out that he insn't that good that it should be posted 3 times. Stupid pesky scotsman website!!!
56

John south of Soutra,

14/03/2008 12:43:18
I see that our friend Ronaldo has popped his head over the parapet again, as for your comment, can you explain how if there is a split for the top 6 teams and the bottom 6 teams how anyone in the bottom 6 can finish above someone in the top 6.
Hibs were 6th last year wether you like it or not
57

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:50:18
Lenny

.and here was me thinking
One's a kiss
Two's a miss
Three's a dissapointment.
58

Lenny,

14/03/2008 12:58:36
Rambo

I always thought it was 1's a wish, 2's a kiss, 3's a disapointment.

Anyway, its no true what they say about us Hibees. Though Im not sure bout Paul Hartley...
59

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:16:50
I stand corrected.

Anyhoo, over to the EEN to see if Mixu 6-2 is still with us.
60

Hashimoto,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 19:35:35
Just back from my work. What have I missed? Seems to have been fairly good-natured banter from both sides, mainly. Good stuff.
But what IS that FOTWJ chap on?
Hearts have ALWAYS had bigger crowds than Hibs? FOTWJ must be a young chap - 'cos I can mind going with a Jambo pal to a Hearts game thon year they couldny get promoted. The DJ missed out the team lineup and read out the crowd's names.
I think, joking aside, that the 'crowd' scraped into 4 figures. Ain't ever seen a Hibby crowd that low, even when we were relegated.

To the sensible Jambos - and you ARE in the majority - sorry!
61

Fit o' the walk Jambo,

15/03/2008 05:30:20
Can any hobo tell me when they've sold out Fester Rd more than 36 times in a row?? Forgot,you can't count more than 22 in a row.As for you Lenny you're the tube as your little club have basically nothing over Hearts apart from scumbo's and debt.You hobos really need to get a life as you live way above your stations for being a wee club. Next you'll be telling us you sold more tickets in your biggest match at Hampden when commentary teams mentioned how poor a crowd you had?!! I'm delighted for your 107th celebrations though!! Keep it up but if you do get into Europe you'll notice now that many countries don't require visas as you've rarely been in Europe for the last 2 decades.

 

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